Refinements and Gargoyles

[Xalan Dementia]

Alright all the debates aside on whether refinements are worth using, has there been any Dev comment on How/Why gargoyles only get 4 refineable armor slots? Unless Im missing something neck and ear slots have no refineable items.

Necklaces and earrings are medable and unrefinable so that leaves legs, kilt, chest and arms.

 

[weins201]

uh because they are not Armor but Jewelry????

 

[Gheed]

At one point in time I had hoped the coming advanced tinkering update would address this and somehow make the garg head and neck slot refine/forge-able. But obviously the theme pack got pushed back from the last publish. Can't say this surprises me with all the EA madness going on. Still have my fingers crossed though.

 

[Xalan Dementia]

could add a plated neck guard and horn covers, and stone versions as well. thatd cover it i think

 

[Obsidian]

What we really need are runic tinker tools so we can reforge gargish earrings, gargish necklaces, and rings/bracelets.

 

[StonewallGL]

could add a plated neck guard and horn covers, and stone versions as well. thatd cover it i think

I fully agree. This is precisely what could be added. Gargoyles are currently forced to wear meddable armor in 2 slots due to the lack of other options. Before pub 81 this was never an issue, but with the stamina changes, lmc changes, and refinements gargoyles were forgotten.

 

[weins201]

What we really need are runic tinker tools so we can reforge gargish earrings, gargish necklaces, and rings/bracelets.

no

 

[weins201]

I fully agree. This is precisely what could be added. Gargoyles are currently forced to wear meddable armor in 2 slots due to the lack of other options. Before pub 81 this was never an issue, but with the stamina changes, lmc changes, and refinements gargoyles were forgotten.

you TWO jewelry spot are medable from the start seriously???

 

[weins201]

Me Earing on my non Garg chars doesnt have resits on it please fix them also.

 

[Xalan Dementia]

weins you seem to misunderstand. We are wanting Refinable armor for at least 5 slots on gargoyles, just like all the other races get. Some people actually use refinements and have found a use for them so we'd like to be able to fully utilize them on gargoyles

 

[weins201]

no wht you want are the earing pieces and Necklaces to be treated like armor and not the jewelry they are. That is what you want. And why I am abusing you and saying NO. They are jewelry NOT armor and there is NO need to change that. there are benifits to them being jewelry just like there are down falls ... deal with it.

 

[Xalan Dementia]

i dont "want earrings and necklaces to be treated like armor" because they already are on gargoyles....... reread the thread and try to grasp what everyone else is talking about. necklace and earrings are armor to gargoyles, instead of gorgets and headgear. The only current options in these slots are medable items. Refinements arent just for human/elf characters, all races deserve 5 refinable armor slots. It wont make gargoyles more overpowered or anything.

 

[Obsidian]

I think of gargish earrings and gargish necklaces as armor with a base resist of 1/2/2/2/5. I would like to reforge these like other armor pieces with the available mods as armor. These are limited in that they cannot be enhanced

I would like to reforge jewelry that can be used by all races and can have all of the mods possible to drop on current Shame jewelry. For instance I would like to reforge a mystic ring of wizardry or an animated bracelet of slaughter. Max values of each mod would be the same as the highest possible drops in Shame.

Both of these could use runic tinker tools that could be colored the same as metal ingots and would increase in power from dull copper runic tinker tools to valorite runic tinker tools. The number of mods and intensity budget would be the same as runic blacksmith hammers. Runic tinker tools could be rewarded using quests or a BOD like system. Many possibilities for acquiring runic tinker tools.

 

[weins201]

i dont "want earrings and necklaces to be treated like armor" because they already are on gargoyles....... reread the thread and try to grasp what everyone else is talking about. necklace and earrings are armor to gargoyles, instead of gorgets and headgear. The only current options in these slots are medable items. Refinements arent just for human/elf characters, all races deserve 5 refinable armor slots. It wont make gargoyles more overpowered or anything.

They are NOT Armor they are jewelry and have the ability to have armor like qualities ADDED to them without any of the penalties that actual ARMOR applies - they have no stamina, or mana penalties and are ALWAYS medable (which is refinable anyways) so try and GRASP what I am saying - they are NOT armor - THEY ARE JEWELYR - it is a FACT undestand that and learn to DEAL with it.

And now Obsidian want to be able to reforge them JUST LIKE ARMOR also - I undestand exactly what you want and am stating vehemently NO

 

[Picus of Napa]

They have resist mods so by default they are part of the armor for a garg, weins do you have a garg?

 

[weins201]

Just because the have resist on them does NOT make them ARMOR - man that was a WEAK try.

Necklaces, Earings AND Glasses are JEWELRY DEAL WITH IT.

 

[Nyses]

I would be happy to toss out the ill conceived "jewelry" as armor for gargs, and instead give them some damn armor in those slots, just like the other races have. I care nothing for the "free" medable property they have, I too would rather have a piece of actual armor there, to re-forge, enhance and whatever else. Gargs do get the short end of the refinement stick, but I guess this is a game, and fair is not in the equation.

 

[The Zog historian]

Just because the have resist on them does NOT make them ARMOR - man that was a WEAK try.

Necklaces, Earings AND Glasses are JEWELRY DEAL WITH IT.

They are jewelry which serve as ARMOR. Or perhaps you can show me where is the human jewelry that can be imbued with armor properties?

Gargoyles need the same armor defenses as other races. It's not much to ask.

 

[Picus of Napa]

Just because the have resist on them does NOT make them ARMOR - man that was a WEAK try.

Necklaces, Earings AND Glasses are JEWELRY DEAL WITH IT.

For the garg they are and I don't see why you can't accept that. IRL those items are clearly not something that one could consider armor but we are talking about UO where dragons do your bidding and people mine for fun....

 

[Bleak]

Alright all the debates aside on whether refinements are worth using, has there been any Dev comment on How/Why gargoyles only get 4 refineable armor slots? Unless Im missing something neck and ear slots have no refineable items.

Necklaces and earrings are medable and unrefinable so that leaves legs, kilt, chest and arms.

They were not forgotten. Gargoyles will be able to wear five pieces of non medable armor.

 

[Merus]

They were not forgotten. Gargoyles will be able to wear five pieces of non medable armor.

For only 23.99 you will be able to buy our new gargoyle theme pack to wear the new horn covers!

 

[Frarc]

They were not forgotten. Gargoyles will be able to wear five pieces of non medable armor.

Mmmm stone and plate wings....... *wonders*

 

[Nyses]

They were not forgotten. Gargoyles will be able to wear five pieces of non medable armor.

I would vote for a gorget, after all they do have necks, the same as humans and elves. I can understand the horns being n the way of a helmet.

 

[Obsidian]

They were not forgotten. Gargoyles will be able to wear five pieces of non medable armor.

Great news!

Any thoughts on runic tinker tools so we can reforge gargish earrings, gargish necklaces, and traditional jewelry (bracelets and rings)?

 

[cdavbar]

What we really need are runic tinker tools so we can reforge gargish earrings, gargish necklaces, and rings/bracelets.

Why so they can give us some quest that will only yield results while scripting in your sleep? Don't get me wrong I love doing quests, but these quests from the Heartwood for runics are unbearable. I literally burned through 60k boards one day before I got one Oak saw! Forget about getting Heartwood saws, which are what reforger's really need.

Again, I love quests, but not these kinds of quests. If they made runic tinkering kits, they need to do it with BoD's (yes I said it) or something similar (and if they went with BoD's, make the bod books work more like the pink scroll books as far as storage goes ).