EM's READ!!!

[cazador]

Can we please get a "PvP Tourney" UO-Wide each shards EM hosts a pvp tourney 4 brackets (Pure Mage,Hybrid Mage, Dexxer, Hybrid Dexxer)

Each character entered must show title "name" of shard name to prove allegiance

Pure Mage rules
- no potions
- no protection
-no fields/summons
- skills allowed Mage/med/eval/resist/wrestle

Hybrid Mage rules
-no stone form/protection
-no fields/summons
-no pets

Pure Dexxer rules
-no pets
-no disarm
-skills allowed (melee,tacts,anat,parry,posioning,healing)
-no 4/6 chiv

Hybrid dexxer rules
- no pets
- no summons

Top 3 from each shard are posted on UO.com
Grand Prize - Title "shard name" Elite Duelist
Sash- 2013 PvP Tourney Finalist
Runner Up- Title "Shard Name" PvP Tourney Runner Up
Sash"2013 PvP tourney Runner Up
2nd Runner Up - sash "shard name pvp tourney 2nd runner up
Consolation Prize- "cloak- 2013 PvP Tourney Participant

Once all shards have finished the top 3 for each bracket are posted on UO.com and then are scheduled for a FINALS on test center.. Which is ran by all the EMs..

Top 3 of each shard wide duelists
Grand Prize- title Ultima Online's Legendary Duelist (cool HTML color of duelists pick maybe)
Character Transfer Token
GM placed Second House any shard in specific location
10 million Gold
Europa Gold Sandals with title(based on teir)
Mage ( blessed 10 lrc 3 mana regen 2% casting focus)
Dexxer(blessed 10 hci 5 enhance pots +5 in chosen melee skill)

Runner Up- title "Ultima Online's Grandmaster Duelist"
5 million gold
Advanced Char token
Robe(3 different colors)
(Stats based on tier)
Mage(5% lrc 2mr 5 HPI)
Dex(5 hci 5 Stam increase 10 dex bonus)

2nd runner up
Title "Ultima Online's Master Duelist"
Half Apron(3 colors) based on tier
Mage- 5% lrc ,2 mana regen
Dex- 5% hci 5% DCI 5 Stam

Consolation Prize ( sash 2013 PvP Tourney Finalist)

Give PVPers some love event held at arena!

 

[Viper09]

Sounds fun, but a bit heavy on the prizes IMO.

 

[cazador]

Well you figure what 20 something shards..probably 30-40 players per shard will do it so if you victor of 800+ people should be decent and they aren't to OP but could be tweaked down a bit yea

 

[DrVenkman]

No potions doesnt make sense. I already know what your gonna say. Potions are a crutch. But if you want a true pvp tourney to see whos the best of the best than you have to include potions because in uo pvp, potions are part of pvp point blank. For as much as people may be against them or hate them the fact is that they are widely used and if you want a true respresentation of whos who in the world of pvp than potions have to be allowed for the sake of representing how players fight each other in the actual open world of uo.
If you disapprove of them and beat somebody with no pots in a tourney but than turn around and lose to them when they have pots out in the field well than what was really accomplished by having a tourney other than proving your better without pots?

I completely understand the pets thing because whos gonna win against a greater dragon in a small space, that should be obvious.

 

[Tanivar]

The EMs won't have a Griefer problem at these events will they.

 

[S_S]

Just wow at the winner items.. transfer tokens, 2nd houses, gold, wearables with benefits.
From this trammie to you, NO!

 

[cdavbar]

The EMs won't have a Griefer problem at these events will they.

Lol. I remember a few years back we had a PvP tourney on GL. Grief grief grief. Anything that takes place in non-consensual pvp zone is subject to griefing by the few that enjoy ruining others days.

Maybe with the addition of arenas this can be avoided.

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

Given that to my recollection none of the current round of EM items have been useful, indeed that's a criticism of the items heard on occasion, and given that all of the rewards you propose are useful to a ridiculous degree, I don't think the EMs are the right folks to direct this to.

Indeed your proposal at large goes far beyond anything we've seen the EMs be capable of as a matter of power and authority.

This by definition is a standard UO team thing. If something like it is done there may be EM involvement but it does not seem to be an EM thing.

The rules and restrictions put into place are as arbitrary and capricious and particular as such rules always are. Whatever you do someone will say something totally gimp should not be allowed that is, and something totally harmless that is not allowed should be. PvPers' contentions of what fair rules and restrictions are would appear to vary largely based on what they themselves use.

I used to be in a guild with a fellow who, before fighting practice duels, would say "no spells," and then attack you, in mockery of attempts to apply such restrictions to fights.

-Galen's player

 

[Goldberg-Chessy]

Getting an EM sponsored shard-wide pvp tourney would be quite enough.

No need for the silly pixel-crack prizes

 

[cazador]

No potions doesnt make sense.

I only stated no potions for the pure Mage tier..for a pure Mage should not us potions in a "duel" it's not a field fight..however I do understand potions are part of players templates which is why is the hybrid Mage section I did not state no potions, because in that tier their would be DP,spell plagues etc etc..

The EMs won't have a Griefer problem at these events will they.

There is griefing at trammel events..what's the point of that argument it is however a pvp event and for the few that decide to grief rather than participate well..they can be killed

Just wow at the winner items.. transfer tokens, 2nd houses, gold, wearables with benefits.
From this trammie to you, NO!

Agreed they can be tweaked, but it would be 3 top prizes out of 800+ people

Getting an EM sponsored shard-wide pvp tourney would be quite enough.

No need for the silly pixel-crack prizes

The idea behind itself would be enough, as I posted it out of the idea if its not posted you can't complain it never happened. Knowing very well that it 99% it won't ever happen..

 

[Goldberg-Chessy]

FYI:

Good warriors fight on mount with no rules.

Its only the silly mages that make up their special rules that they practice while duelling their little buddies.

Todays Mages spend more time pretending to be old school and arguing about rules then they do actually duelling

All the while wearing crazy, pimped out gear. Real old school.

 

[cazador]

Given that to my recollection none of the current round of EM items have been useful, indeed that's a criticism of the items heard on occasion, and given that all of the rewards you propose are useful to a ridiculous degree, I don't think the EMs are the right folks to direct this to.

Indeed your proposal at large goes far beyond anything we've seen the EMs be capable of as a matter of power and authority.

This by definition is a standard UO team thing. If something like it is done there may be EM involvement but it does not seem to be an EM thing.

The rules and restrictions put into place are as arbitrary and capricious and particular as such rules always are. Whatever you do someone will say something totally gimp should not be allowed that is, and something totally harmless that is not allowed should be. PvPers' contentions of what fair rules and restrictions are would appear to vary largely based on what they themselves use.

I used to be in a guild with a fellow who, before fighting practice duels, would say "no spells," and then attack you, in mockery of attempts to apply such restrictions to fights.

-Galen's player

Like I said I put an idea out there not a iron clad rule for execution, the rules for each tier are specified for what an arena can set minus the skills which could be monitored by EM's and volunteers it's not rocket science. As for the rewards being extreme, some may think so, some may not. As for making guidelines "rules" it's necessity..who wants to duel a protection stone form myst Mage that chugs..I did not post an idea for a field fighting event..I said "duel"

 

[cazador]

FYI:

Good warriors fight on mount with no rules.

Its only the silly mages that make up their special rules that they practice while duelling their little buddies.

Todays Mages spend more time pretending to be old school and arguing about rules then they do actually duelling

All the while wearing crazy, pimped out gear. Real old school.

See all things like that are the reason for specific tiers..a pure dex doesn't exist in fel anymore..but there are people who still consider that a skilled duel..where as I don't consider dexxers being skilled period..but to each their own. A pure Mage duel is Mage/med/eval/resist/scribe/wrestle if you decide you want to participate in that tier you may if you consider that tier to be ideal for you..where as the new aged kids run mystic ninja templates well there is a hybrid section where it is more of a "field" fight.. But as for dueling mystic/ninja/50 EP mages are not considered dueling templates they are field templates..which is why I did not include potions/or those skills in the pure Mage tier..it just doesn't make sense. So instead of saying Mage vs Mage or dex vs dex..I specified to filter out the whining of well DP in a duel is lame..so don't use it and fight where you feel more comfortable in your skill/template class

Every flavor of what you think a duel should be is in one of those tiers, therefore it leave almost no template out, minus taming for the reason of well..taming pits pet vs player not player vs player and just is not pvp even though the abbreviation can state otherwise..

 

[Orgional Farimir]

Given that to my recollection none of the current round of EM items have been useful, indeed that's a criticism of the items heard on occasion, and given that all of the rewards you propose are useful to a ridiculous degree, I don't think the EMs are the right folks to direct this to.

Indeed your proposal at large goes far beyond anything we've seen the EMs be capable of as a matter of power and authority.

This by definition is a standard UO team thing. If something like it is done there may be EM involvement but it does not seem to be an EM thing.

The rules and restrictions put into place are as arbitrary and capricious and particular as such rules always are. Whatever you do someone will say something totally gimp should not be allowed that is, and something totally harmless that is not allowed should be. PvPers' contentions of what fair rules and restrictions are would appear to vary largely based on what they themselves use.

I used to be in a guild with a fellow who, before fighting practice duels, would say "no spells," and then attack you, in mockery of attempts to apply such restrictions to fights.

-Galen's player

I like it when people use big words to make them sound smart as they attempt to talk down to other people.

 

[Tanivar]

There is griefing at trammel events..what's the point of that argument it is however a pvp event and for the few that decide to grief rather than participate well..they can be killed

I spent the last six months playing on Siege. I noticed that.

 

[CovenantX]

Well they (devs) could make the Arena's be x-shard usable, Make the Arena a "no-drop" zone, they have the "Refuse Trade Offers" option now, why don't they just make that option always on while in an Arena?

Tourny could be streamed/recorded & posted on UO.com - in-game scoreboard would show the results of the pvp-season.

Why don't the devs implement a latter/bracket system to the Arenas, Then the EMs that enjoy PvP could participate as well instead of needing to host such a pvp event.
(it wouldn't interfere with the events we are currently getting)

The in-game Arena boards can be reset every other month or so (however long the pvp season would last), listing the players that participated in tourny fights, - <Character name & Shard name>

a game-wide pvp tourny would be absolutely amazing.

 

[cazador]

Well they (devs) could make the Arena's be x-shard usable, Make the Arena a "no-drop" zone, they have the "Refuse Trade Offers" option now, why don't they just make that option always on while in an Arena?

Tourny could be streamed/recorded & posted on UO.com - in-game scoreboard would show the results of the pvp-season.

Why don't the devs implement a latter/bracket system to the Arenas, Then the EMs that enjoy PvP could participate as well instead of needing to host such a pvp event.
(it wouldn't interfere with the events we are currently getting)

The in-game Arena boards can be reset every other month or so (however long the pvp season would last), listing the players that participated in tourny fights, - <Character name & Shard name>

a game-wide pvp tourny would be absolutely amazing.

These are things free shards have had for over 10 years but here we are wishing for such a simple system..and we pay monthly go figure..

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

I like it when people use big words to make them sound smart as they attempt to talk down to other people.

I talk how I talk and I try my best to use words that are appropriate.

Clearly your lack of understanding makes you angry but I really can't help that.

The "talking down" remark is odd, as it doesn't match anything I actually said. But that's pretty much your trademark when you respond to my posts.

-Galen's player

PS: Looking over my post there's nothing particularly big word-y about it, really.

 

[weins201]

N O start up your own tourney if you want to organize one - No to any prizes for PvP that isn't designed at whatever template I choose to use to fight with if you cant beat me you don't have any business fighting in my tournament. It is Not PvP if you say no potions, no stone form, no disarm. If you want these they are class fights like Wrestling, Boxing, fencing these are type of tournaments not all out PvP. Stop trying to say I am not a PvPer because i disarm you and chase you around an kill you in animal form.

You want to have Class duels Not PvP - and still NNNOOOOOO if you want this take the effort and set it up yourself, the GAME EMs should use there time catering to ALL players in balanced fair events and arc storylines.

 

[cazador]

N O start up your own tourney if you want to organize one - No to any prizes for PvP that isn't designed at whatever template I choose to use to fight with if you cant beat me you don't have any business fighting in my tournament. It is Not PvP if you say no potions, no stone form, no disarm. If you want these they are class fights like Wrestling, Boxing, fencing these are type of tournaments not all out PvP. Stop trying to say I am not a PvPer because i disarm you and chase you around an kill you in animal form.

You want to have Class duels Not PvP - and still NNNOOOOOO if you want this take the effort and set it up yourself, the GAME EMs should use there time catering to ALL players in balanced fair events and arc storylines.

Noted..thanks for your feedback

 

[Tanivar]

I talk how I talk and I try my best to use words that are appropriate. ...


... PS: Looking over my post there's nothing particularly big word-y about it, really.

It's something you run into when people's backgrounds are different with different normal vocabularies.

Evenings spent reading vs evenings spent watching television.

Evenings spent interacting with people vs hours of gaming.

Sports enthusiast vs geek

Factory production vs office worker

Specialized trade vs general labor employment

The vocabulary you use is set by your life experiences. School, occupation, social, entertainment, and such.

 

[Fridgster]

The biggest shame is that all this griefing can be solved by allowing the EM's to remove griefers in some manner. Maybe
something to dispel them from the area or even faction until the event is over. Or am I missing something?

 

[Lady Storm]

Tanivar you forgot region of country you live in too....
Some words and phrases in some might be fine but say it in another you could be looking down a shot gun barrel.
like in the south.... Ya'll is one. there is 2 different ways of saying it and its meaning change. one is single the other is plural people.
And then you got foriegn countrys words said in the english ..... hehhe

 

[Tanivar]

Tanivar you forgot region of country you live in too....
Some words and phrases in some might be fine but say it in another you could be looking down a shot gun barrel.
like in the south.... Ya'll is one. there is 2 different ways of saying it and its meaning change. one is single the other is plural people.
And then you got foriegn countrys words said in the english ..... hehhe

To true. I could have made a longer list easily. I heard once of such a scene where a guy blew a deal by saying a word with the wrong inflection in a language he had spent years learning. The inflection he used made what he had intended to be a butter up compliment into a deadly insult which the guy he said it to took very seriously. It was apparently a very bad scene though it didn't wind up involving any duels. Luckily it happened here under our laws instead of the other guys country under their laws though or it could have.

 

[Bobar]

WOW a UOwide griefing contest. All events I have attended over the years have been attended by griefers to some degree. On a couple of occasions I have given up rather than keep trying to ignore them. PVP events lend themselves even more to their particular method of enjoyment so whilst some shards might actually manage a reasonable event some would be sure to be overwhelmed by morons.
I see no way this would not be an inevitable outcome to this scenario.

 

[funkymonkey]

On Europa the EM's have been doing monthly pvp tornys, they all go well, little to no grefing and its just for bragging rights, it can be done, but i agree get rid of the pixel crack.

 

[cazador]

You act like the rewards for winning are "OUTLANDISH" omGggg!! FYI I did a regular EM Event not that long ago was rewarded with a drop and promptly sold if for 800m at 45m a pop that's 17+ character transfer tokens..by all mean for a most likely month log even of coordinating tallying who won and things of that nature..it's a drop in the bucket to what 90% of the EM event items are currently fetching..the basis of Oh My so many rewards are so off it's not even funny

 

[Viper09]

If EM items are truly worth that much then one reward is really sufficient enough...Just think you went a bit heavy on what you're wanting, particularly the idea of a second GM placed house as just part of the award.
Anyways, while an event like this probably wont happen for a while, this could easily be redone into a player-run event. Although maybe not to the extent as you envisioned it (cross-shard).

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

You act like the rewards for winning are "OUTLANDISH" omGggg!! FYI I did a regular EM Event not that long ago was rewarded with a drop and promptly sold if for 800m at 45m a pop that's 17+ character transfer tokens..by all mean for a most likely month log even of coordinating tallying who won and things of that nature..it's a drop in the bucket to what 90% of the EM event items are currently fetching..the basis of Oh My so many rewards are so off it's not even funny

What people are reacting to is the apparent utility of the item.

You say "but this other item was worth 800m to someone."

Apples and oranges.

An item you perceive as worthless can indeed be worth 800m to someone. This doesn't mean it has any utility, however. So the comparison really doesn't make any sense. It'd be like you saying an item was over-powering and me saying I found it cheap on a vendor.

At minimum, rewards of combat use, like the ones you propose, don't seem to have come from the EMs for quite awhile now. Every once in awhile there'll be a weapon that has no appreciable mods and needs to be Imbued up to be useful; but who will Imbue up an EM item, thereby turning said valuable EM item into something that, sooner or later, will break?

Basically we're talking deco or showcase rewards; indeed that's an oft-heart complain about the EM events from folks of a more-competitive bent.

-Galen's player