Random Questions on the New Publish (some for testers, some for Team) (all armor related)

[GalenKnighthawke]

In no particular order.

• I read that something analogous to a hide robe feature was put in but just by accident....Why not put in such a feature, though? It's been proposed for a long time and you really should face the fact that the primary reasons people want non-meddable armor to come back is cosmetic/aesthetic.

• How is stamina damage block with studded armor? It seems pretty clear that the mana-heavy meditation warrior that wears non-meddable will no longer be viable. I might be able to have the character look more like I think he should look if I were to have him in studded as opposed to leather, but would it even be worth it?

• For similar reasons, how is stamina damage block with, say, chain or ring or some kind of non-meddable armor that is not plate?

• What about non-mage armor Samurai Plate?

• What is the plan for the fact that the most-useful head pieces for warriors still are glasses, which by definition are meddable (and thus will provide no stamina damage block)?

• Has any serious consideration or testing been devoted to the long-asked for idea of allowing the transfer of properties from an item to another item in the same slot? (Cincture to Ninja belt; Lt. Sash to surcoat; Mace and Shield Glasses to Plate Helm; etc.)

-Galen's player

 

[Grace of Minoc]

"• For similar reasons, how is stamina damage block with, say, chain or ring or some kind of non-meddable armor that is not plate?"

The notes say that all smithy items are the same.

Good questions tho, especially for the head pieces!

 

[Kyronix]

In no particular order.

• Has any serious consideration or testing been devoted to the long-asked for idea of allowing the transfer of properties from an item to another item in the same slot? (Cincture to Ninja belt; Lt. Sash to surcoat; Mace and Shield Glasses to Plate Helm; etc.)

-Galen's player

This is one of those things that would be great to have but at the same time being a HUGE task.

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

This is one of those things that would be great to have but at the same time being a HUGE task.

We players had long-wondered about this because a similar mechanic exists with vet reward items. (Vet Reward Robe to Vet Reward Dress.)

-Galen's player

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

"• For similar reasons, how is stamina damage block with, say, chain or ring or some kind of non-meddable armor that is not plate?"

The notes say that all smithy items are the same.

Good questions tho, especially for the head pieces!

So Chain and Plate and Ring provide the same level of Stamina damage block because they are all Blacksmithy items? Do I understand that right?

Has anyone tested studded? (Non-meddable but done by tailors.)

-Galen's player

 

[Cetric]

This is one of those things that would be great to have but at the same time being a HUGE task.

Being able to hide the robe would be a huge improvement, while the customizations galen mentions would be great as well, but i think the robe would be the biggest improvement for cosmetic customization.

I hope bleak made some progress when he was playing with it, i think everyone in the game would love the ability.

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

Being able to hide the robe would be a huge improvement, while the customizations galen mentions would be great as well, but i think the robe would be the biggest improvement for cosmetic customization.

I hope bleak made some progress when he was playing with it, i think everyone in the game would love the ability.

I don't know, there are those who think that such a change would be "disgusting" and have said so quite vocally.

While I suspect those people are very few (indeed I think we probably have all of them on Stratics) one has to wonder if the difficulties in getting this done aren't in part the team over-valuing the intensity of their opinions.

-Galen's player

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

Can someone please confirm that my understanding on metal armors is correct (that all blacksmith-made armors that are not mage armor will have a consistent level of stamina damage absorption), and has someone tested studded yet?

-Galen's player

 

[CovenantX]

Can someone please confirm that my understanding on metal armors is correct (that all blacksmith-made armors that are not mage armor will have a consistent level of stamina damage absorption), and has someone tested studded yet?

-Galen's player

It's correct.

All blacksmith-crafted armor types without Mage-Armor will provide the same amount of LMC & Stamina protection, the difference between all blacksmith armor types is purely cosmetic.

 

[NuSair]

If I were doing it (which I am not) the heavier the armor is would have higher resist and a lower cap on DCI, while the lighter armors would have lower resist caps and higher DCI cap to start with.
cloth > leather > studded leather > ring mail > chain mail > plate mail

 

[Petra Fyde]

It's correct.

All blacksmith-crafted armor types without Mage-Armor will provide the same amount of LMC & Stamina protection, the difference between all blacksmith armor types is purely cosmetic.

or strength related? I think we're pretty much back to where we were years ago. I built a 'heavy archer' suit for my character on test center. Plate sleeves, gloves and gorget, chainmail tunic and leggings.
If you remember, a lot of people didn't use full plate because of the danger of parts of it falling off if you got cursed

 

[CovenantX]

or strength related? I think we're pretty much back to where we were years ago. I built a 'heavy archer' suit for my character on test center. Plate sleeves, gloves and gorget, chainmail tunic and leggings.
If you remember, a lot of people didn't use full plate because of the danger of parts of it falling off if you got cursed

I remember, but people also didn't use full plate typically because you had a dex penalty (-4 dex per plate piece? *It was something like that*) for each piece of heavy armor you had equip as well.
That was also problematic, due to stats being soft-capped at 100 and no stat-locks (when 225 was stat-cap), then when stat-scrolls came out they upped the soft cap to 125 (unmodified) stats.

The strength required to keep an armor piece, and a weapon equip while under the influence of Curse or Weaken, is much less a factor anymore. especially if said player uses Resisting Spells skill in their template.

 

[legendsguy]

In no particular order.

• I read that something analogous to a hide robe feature was put in but just by accident....Why not put in such a feature, though? It's been proposed for a long time and you really should face the fact that the primary reasons people want non-meddable armor to come back is cosmetic/aesthetic.

This. Is. AN AMAZING IDEA!!! YES. DO THIS NOW!

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

No one has any idea on the studded armor issue? Basically I want to know if a dexxer seems viable wearing studded, given the Stamina loss issue and that Divine Fury it seems can no longer be relied upon to gain Stamina. Reports suggest that the viability of a leather or mage armor wearing warrior is questionable.

-Galen's player

 

[SlobberKnocker]

i really really want to rock a pimp jin boori.

 

[Cetric]

No one has any idea on the studded armor issue? Basically I want to know if a dexxer seems viable wearing studded, given the Stamina loss issue and that Divine Fury it seems can no longer be relied upon to gain Stamina. Reports suggest that the viability of a leather or mage armor wearing warrior is questionable.

-Galen's player

leather/mage armor wearing warrior will be the same as it is today

 

[Tina Small]

No one has any idea on the studded armor issue? Basically I want to know if a dexxer seems viable wearing studded, given the Stamina loss issue and that Divine Fury it seems can no longer be relied upon to gain Stamina. Reports suggest that the viability of a leather or mage armor wearing warrior is questionable.

-Galen's player

Go test it!!

Character copy was still working as of about an hour or so ago and with the Classic Client and UO Assist, it's pretty easy and quick to copy the macros over from one character's folder to another.

I'll friend you my TC house too if you want a place to crash or to experiment with making armor. Although the floor is starting to look rather messy with all the sample pieces of refined armor I have locked down and bags and bags of refinement components, it's fully stocked with resources I dragged to the house from the bank for several characters, a commodity deed box, crystal and corrupted portals, and a long row of dye tubs, soul forge, forge and anvil, several bags of regular and runic crafting tools, etc.

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

leather/mage armor wearing warrior will be the same as it is today

Studded is in a weird in-between category.

It's non-meddable by nature, but it's also made by a tailor.

-Galen's player

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

Go test it!!

Character copy was still working as of about an hour or so ago and with the Classic Client and UO Assist, it's pretty easy and quick to copy the macros over from one character's folder to another.

I'll friend you my TC house too if you want a place to crash or to experiment with making armor. Although the floor is starting to look rather messy with all the sample pieces of refined armor I have locked down and bags and bags of refinement components, it's fully stocked with resources I dragged to the house from the bank for several characters, a commodity deed box, crystal and corrupted portals, and a long row of dye tubs, soul forge, forge and anvil, several bags of regular and runic crafting tools, etc.

As mentioned last night on ICQ I'm something of a horrid tester or I'd have tested it already.

I think I've successfully tested things on Test Center maybe 2 or 3 times.

And it was on the level of "I made a Leafblade." "Using this Leafblade, I successfully used the special move Feint on an ettin."

But generally, when I've tried to test on TC I've always screwed something up and thus invalidated my results.

-Galen's player

 

[Cetric]

Studded is in a weird in-between category.

It's non-meddable by nature, but it's also made by a tailor.

-Galen's player

I guess i don't understand your concern. Yes its made by a tailor, but it is non-medable.

Can you detail what you are asking?

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

I guess i don't understand your concern. Yes its made by a tailor, but it is non-medable.

Can you detail what you are asking?

Here's my original language:

How is stamina damage block with studded armor? It seems pretty clear that the mana-heavy meditation warrior that wears non-meddable will no longer be viable. I might be able to have the character look more like I think he should look if I were to have him in studded as opposed to leather, but would it even be worth it?

And now I will rephrase.

Non-meddable armor will, after the Publish, reduce Stamina damage.

Posts suggest to me that, after the Publish, warriors in meddable armor will no longer be viable, because alternate ways to get back Stamina that has been taken off due to Stamina damage are nerfed. (Stamina Leach from weapons; Divine Fury; and I have never been a frequent user of potions so I don't know about the utility of Refresh potions.)

Therefore I ask, for purely aesthetic reasons: To what degree will studded (tailor-made, non-meddable) armor reduce Stamina damage? Will it be enough to maintain the viability of a warrior seeking to continue to wear what looks like lighter armor?

I appreciate that many posters on Stratics do not appreciate aesthetic considerations, but if none did, this armor thing wouldn't be an issue at all.

-Galen's player

 

[SlobberKnocker]

has anyone made non medable armor and go down to despise and get bashed on by an ogre lord yet?

 

[Cetric]

Here's my original language:



And now I will rephrase.

Non-meddable armor will, after the Publish, reduce Stamina damage.

Posts suggest to me that, after the Publish, warriors in meddable armor will no longer be viable, because alternate ways to get back Stamina that has been taken off due to Stamina damage are nerfed. (Stamina Leach from weapons; Divine Fury; and I have never been a frequent user of potions so I don't know about the utility of Refresh potions.)

Therefore I ask, for purely aesthetic reasons: To what degree will studded (tailor-made, non-meddable) armor reduce Stamina damage? Will it be enough to maintain the viability of a warrior seeking to continue to wear what looks like lighter armor?

I appreciate that many posters on Stratics do not appreciate aesthetic considerations, but if none did, this armor thing wouldn't be an issue at all.

-Galen's player

No armor, not even plate, will be enough to purely maintain your stamina, if that is what you are asking. Studded will be a nice supplement to your stamina loss, but not a big gain. Though they haven't put numbers to the reductions yet.

You may be looking at the stam leech and divine fury change too hard, you will still gain plenty of stam back from both of them. No armor is meant to be a "have to use this type" outside of the medability of regular leather. If you are still unsure, i would begin adding stamina potions to your arsenal, without enhance pots or anything they can replenish 60 stamina.

In other words, if you want to look light a light armor wearing warrior, you could still function just fine in regular leather, and gain back mana better than the other armor types. Studded will allow you to get some stam reduction and lmc, but lose that mana regeneration. Either way, you will be fine and it would purely depend on which you prefer.

I know you are really hitting for aesthetics here, but in some cases you just can't have your cake and eat it too, you know? I love the look of heavy armor on Skyrim, but if i want to sneak around on an assassin i really need to subject myself to light armor.

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

No armor, not even plate, will be enough to purely maintain your stamina, if that is what you are asking. Studded will be a nice supplement to your stamina loss, but not a big gain. Though they haven't put numbers to the reductions yet.

You may be looking at the stam leech and divine fury change too hard, you will still gain plenty of stam back from both of them. No armor is meant to be a "have to use this type" outside of the medability of regular leather. If you are still unsure, i would begin adding stamina potions to your arsenal, without enhance pots or anything they can replenish 60 stamina

This is indeed what I was asking, more or less exactly.

Many thanks.

-Galen's player

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

No armor, not even plate, will be enough to purely maintain your stamina, if that is what you are asking. Studded will be a nice supplement to your stamina loss, but not a big gain. Though they haven't put numbers to the reductions yet.

You may be looking at the stam leech and divine fury change too hard, you will still gain plenty of stam back from both of them. No armor is meant to be a "have to use this type" outside of the medability of regular leather. If you are still unsure, i would begin adding stamina potions to your arsenal, without enhance pots or anything they can replenish 60 stamina.

In other words, if you want to look light a light armor wearing warrior, you could still function just fine in regular leather, and gain back mana better than the other armor types. Studded will allow you to get some stam reduction and lmc, but lose that mana regeneration. Either way, you will be fine and it would purely depend on which you prefer.

I know you are really hitting for aesthetics here, but in some cases you just can't have your cake and eat it too, you know? I love the look of heavy armor on Skyrim, but if i want to sneak around on an assassin i really need to subject myself to light armor.

It's less that I was looking to have it both ways. Rather I was looking for data, however anecdotal and qualitative in nature, that suggested whether my current setup would remain viable, and/or if I could get away with wearing studded instead (if my current setup would not remain viable).

It sounds like my current setup will indeed remain viable, which is good, and thus my plans remain the same. Galen retains his current setup, John (who is emerging as more of a "tank" type) will switch to plate, and Piero.....Who knows.

Thanks again.

-Galen's player