Champ spawn/necromancy question

[arath]

Tonight I was doing an Illshenar champ spawn on my mage. He has magery, mysticism, necromancy, spirit speak, eval, focus, and med. I usually come at the beginning and work all of the spawn making sure to help other by resurrecting the dead, using healing winds, and invising those who have a lot of monsters on them. Basically I use all the off the abilities of my template.

This includes using a horde minion at the end when the gold comes out. The horde minion’s main function is to pick stuff up off the ground and carry things. This means that he usually grabs about 50-60k in gold. I was lectured by one of the regulars that I should not be using a horde minion because it was unfair. I politely explained that this was an ability of my template and it was not unfair since anyone could bring their necromancer. He continued to lecture me stating that it was socially immoral and that I should refrain from using the horde minion.

If I am banned from using a horde minion then would it be alright for me to ask tamers to not bring a greater dragon because they do too much damage, and therefore he'll have a better chance at looting rights? Maybe the sampire should not be allowed to use a swamp dragon because it allows him to mitigate more damage than I.

What are your thoughts on this matter?

 

[cazador]

My thoughts are that's dumb lol..and people shouldn't bring greater dragons they should bring throwers they do more damage

 

[virtualhabitat]

Stop helping them. When you see that they are in trouble, go the other way saying, " it would be unfair of me to help you since everyone cannot benefit from my help."

When a dead guy asks to be resurrected, tell him it would be unfair to use such a powerful spell and that it is more fair for everyone to use wandering healers instead.

Start pointing out that their human character can carry more gold and thus it is unfair to elves and gargoyles. Tell them it is morally wrong to bring humans to spawns.

Tell them that you will quit using a horde minion when they stop blocking everything on the ground with their incessant wing flapping from their gargoyle characters. Nothing is more immoral than a gargoyle flapping -preventing you from picking up gold on the ground.

 

[Theo_GL]

Tonight I was doing an Illshenar champ spawn on my mage. He has magery, mysticism, necromancy, spirit speak, eval, focus, and med. I usually come at the beginning and work all of the spawn making sure to help other by resurrecting the dead, using healing winds, and invising those who have a lot of monsters on them. Basically I use all the off the abilities of my template.

This includes using a horde minion at the end when the gold comes out. The horde minion’s main function is to pick stuff up off the ground and carry things. This means that he usually grabs about 50-60k in gold. I was lectured by one of the regulars that I should not be using a horde minion because it was unfair. I politely explained that this was an ability of my template and it was not unfair since anyone could bring their necromancer. He continued to lecture me stating that it was socially immoral and that I should refrain from using the horde minion.

If I am banned from using a horde minion then would it be alright for me to ask tamers to not bring a greater dragon because they do too much damage, and therefore he'll have a better chance at looting rights? Maybe the sampire should not be allowed to use a swamp dragon because it allows him to mitigate more damage than I.

What are your thoughts on this matter?

You should dispel your horde minion and prompty give him all the gold because, honestly, whoever is so desparate that they need the gold from a champ spawn...really needs the gold. Feel sorry for him and then go to fel and do a spawn where you get actual rewards.

I really do think its fairly funny that people continue to do ilsh spawns? Are you so afraid of dying you won't step into fel? What is to be afraid of?

Run fel spawns, if you get a good pink - run it back home and then come back. You will likely make more money on the pinks than the white PS's and more than half the time you will finish the spawn without seeing anyone esp if you bring help and do it quicker. Even on Great Lakes you can solo spawns without much interferance anymore.

When you have 2-3 ppl doing an ilsh spawn dealing with paragons and crappy locations - you should all pull up your big boy pants and go do a fel spawn. If you get rolled, so what? Half the time you will finish and get 12 powerscrolls + 300k. Much better than 300k.

 

[KLOMP]

As far as I can tell PVP died with the last set of faction "fixes" because even Trammies can do Fel spawns on Atlantic now.

 

[Orgional Farimir]

Tonight I was doing an Illshenar champ spawn on my mage. He has magery, mysticism, necromancy, spirit speak, eval, focus, and med. I usually come at the beginning and work all of the spawn making sure to help other by resurrecting the dead, using healing winds, and invising those who have a lot of monsters on them. Basically I use all the off the abilities of my template.

This includes using a horde minion at the end when the gold comes out. The horde minion’s main function is to pick stuff up off the ground and carry things. This means that he usually grabs about 50-60k in gold. I was lectured by one of the regulars that I should not be using a horde minion because it was unfair. I politely explained that this was an ability of my template and it was not unfair since anyone could bring their necromancer. He continued to lecture me stating that it was socially immoral and that I should refrain from using the horde minion.

If I am banned from using a horde minion then would it be alright for me to ask tamers to not bring a greater dragon because they do too much damage, and therefore he'll have a better chance at looting rights? Maybe the sampire should not be allowed to use a swamp dragon because it allows him to mitigate more damage than I.

What are your thoughts on this matter?

I would tell the to shut up, loot with my horde minion, bless my self to pick up the max gold, and then run off to the side where I stored a couple of pack horses and finish gathering the gold just to tick them off.

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

People have used Horde Minions at Champ Spawns for as long as AoS has been out.

I find it unlikely someone would object to their use. If someone did object, I find it unlikely anyone else around would agree with the objection.

Someone raised the Fel/Tram issue, basically out of nowhere and an insulting way, I see. The answer is: People to Ilsh champ spawns because most people do not want to PvP, and even more people don't want to put up with Fel, and thus spend my leisure time putting up with the attitude of someone who would raise an entirely unrelated issue in response to a message board post.

-Galen's player

 

[Barry Gibb]

What are your thoughts on this matter?

Sounds like he had a bee in his bonnet.

I would continue to use your horde minion (I too use one at the end of a champ spwan). There is nothing that prevents him form using one too. Remember who he was, because next time you might not be so quick to come to his aid.

Stayin Alive,

BG

 

[MalagAste]

I think that is one of the dumbest lamest things anyone can say.

Horde minion is an unfair advantage...... tell him you are picking up my gold.... As an archer with healing I have ZERO room in my pack for gold.... I can only carry about 5k so it's pointless for me to even pick the junk up.

 

[King_Fisher]

Tell him to invest in some necromancy, and stop being such a child.

I only pick up gold at a champ spawn if for some reason I died once or twice and I need to refill that lost insurance money.

 

[arath]

People have used Horde Minions at Champ Spawns for as long as AoS has been out.

I find it unlikely someone would object to their use. If someone did object, I find it unlikely anyone else around would agree with the objection.

Someone raised the Fel/Tram issue, basically out of nowhere and an insulting way, I see. The answer is: People to Ilsh champ spawns because most people do not want to PvP, and even more people don't want to put up with Fel, and thus spend my leisure time putting up with the attitude of someone who would raise an entirely unrelated issue in response to a message board post.

-Galen's player

I actually do not do fel champs because I am too lazy. People run the Humility spawn in Ilsh all the time and it's really easy. If I had a guild of fun people I got along with I would do fel champs. I liked the game better before the world split but now that I have a choice I choose Tram more out of laziness. I'd probably like the game much more, and I still love it now, if I was in an active guild that did a little of everything including PVP.

Thanks everyone who responded. I thought I was breaking some unwritten UO law by using the horde minion. Good to see that I was not.

 

[Chalmai]

Everyone has their own opinion on this matter and I can see both sides. I was there at said spawn and saw the conversation. You can't be "banned" from using your horde minion to gather the gold that drops. Of course, that is silly. But, I do find it a bit rude to do so when you could just as easily carry a beg of sending with you. There have been several instances where I was at an Ilsh spawn from start to finish and did not even get one pile of gold because others "horded" it all up. I am not hurting for gold mind you, but kinda frustrating and discouraging when you put in all that work and ammo (I am an archer) and get nothing to show for it. Think of how this could/would make a newbie feel. I believe that was the point he was trying to make. It is your free option to use ALL of your abilities to their max potential. And to each his/her own opinion. Happy Hunting!

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

I actually do not do fel champs because I am too lazy. People run the Humility spawn in Ilsh all the time and it's really easy. If I had a guild of fun people I got along with I would do fel champs. I liked the game better before the world split but now that I have a choice I choose Tram more out of laziness. I'd probably like the game much more, and I still love it now, if I was in an active guild that did a little of everything including PVP.

Thanks everyone who responded. I thought I was breaking some unwritten UO law by using the horde minion. Good to see that I was not.

Well you can speak for yourself then; one could argue that doing Fel champs is actually lazier. If you run with a crew that's large enough and/or good enough there's functionally little or no PvP risk (of course this requires one to put up with or engage in things most players don't want to put up with, hence Fel being so empty), and the PvM in Fel is much easier due to terrain and lack of Paragons. As long as you don't get utterly surrounded, and the terrain helps one to not get utterly surrounded, the PvM is actually much easier in Fel.

-Galen's player

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

Everyone has their own opinion on this matter and I can see both sides. I was there at said spawn and saw the conversation. You can't be "banned" from using your horde minion to gather the gold that drops. Of course, that is silly. But, I do find it a bit rude to do so when you could just as easily carry a beg of sending with you. There have been several instances where I was at an Ilsh spawn from start to finish and did not even get one pile of gold because others "horded" it all up. I am not hurting for gold mind you, but kinda frustrating and discouraging when you put in all that work and ammo (I am an archer) and get nothing to show for it. Think of how this could/would make a newbie feel. I believe that was the point he was trying to make. It is your free option to use ALL of your abilities to their max potential. And to each his/her own opinion. Happy Hunting!

Bags of Sending work.

I have never been made aware of any social prohibition on using a horde minion for spawn gold.

Or a Bag of Sending.

Or a beetle.

Or a pack horse. (Saw several of these at the first Harrower spawn on LS.)

-Galen's player

 

[Saul_Siege]

Lol this is even an issue?

Use the horse minion and next time some self centered jack wipe days something ignore them. They're just jealous.

 

[arath]

Everyone has their own opinion on this matter and I can see both sides. I was there at said spawn and saw the conversation. You can't be "banned" from using your horde minion to gather the gold that drops. Of course, that is silly. But, I do find it a bit rude to do so when you could just as easily carry a beg of sending with you. There have been several instances where I was at an Ilsh spawn from start to finish and did not even get one pile of gold because others "horded" it all up. I am not hurting for gold mind you, but kinda frustrating and discouraging when you put in all that work and ammo (I am an archer) and get nothing to show for it. Think of how this could/would make a newbie feel. I believe that was the point he was trying to make. It is your free option to use ALL of your abilities to their max potential. And to each his/her own opinion. Happy Hunting!

I do carry a bag of sending and I am able to pick up 50-90k myself by just click and dragging on the gold. The horde minion grabs just under 60k. If I can click and drag 50-90k while my horde minion is grabbing I'm sure you can get some piles too.

As far as how it would make a newbie feel, well when I see one at the spawn I'll gladly help them out. I have a maxxed out crafter and would be glad to make them what ever they needed. I would also be glad to show them how to work the spawn and how to get a bunch of gold by being a necromancer. Everyone I see has gaer that cost 20-100 plus million, myself included.

If you need ammo bad I hardly use my archer, I'd be more than happy to donate the arrows I have.

 

[arath]

Well you can speak for yourself then; one could argue that doing Fel champs is actually lazier. If you run with a crew that's large enough and/or good enough there's functionally little or no PvP risk (of course this requires one to put up with or engage in things most players don't want to put up with, hence Fel being so empty), and the PvM in Fel is much easier due to terrain and lack of Paragons. As long as you don't get utterly surrounded, and the terrain helps one to not get utterly surrounded, the PvM is actually much easier in Fel.

-Galen's player

First off thanks for confirming my opinion that using the minion is acceptable. As someone who read the boards a lot I respect your opinions.

I was just speaking for myself on doing the fel spawns. The lazy part for me would be adjusting my template and gear for fel, doing research on where the spawns are and any other advise about them, and then getting some PVP practice in just to hone my reaction skills a bit. Since you make the spawns in fel sound so easy maybe I have my motivation to stop being lazy and try them out... Thanks!

 

[Bo Bo]

Where Bo plays Bo would have just killed him and took his crap. And it was those type of people that made Bo plays where Bo does.
Taking turns, not using a horde minion, you were here first ahahah no more of that crap.

 

[Chalmai]

If you need ammo bad I hardly use my archer, I'd be more than happy to donate the arrows I have.

I do not need ammo badly at all. You are taking too personal I think. I was just giving my opinion. You asked and I gave it.

 

[chise2]

Yeah I donlt see the big deal in using a horde minion, I usually use one because I never seem to remember a bos and because inbetween all the regs*I am a necro archer and can;t spare a property slot for lrc on my gear* , arrows not to mention pots I carry I can't carry much gold on my own.

 

[KLOMP]

Where Bo plays Bo would have just killed him and took his crap. And it was those type of people that made Bo plays where Bo does.
Taking turns, not using a horde minion, you were here first ahahah no more of that crap.

Yeah, this is why everyone does all their hunting in Felucca, where the ability to PK ensures a civil society for all. LOL remember when Trammel opened and they expected anyone to go there? "Not bloody likely!" we all said. "People can say things to me there!"

 

[Bo Bo]

Yeah, this is why everyone does all their hunting in Felucca, where the ability to PK ensures a civil society for all. LOL remember when Trammel opened and they expected anyone to go there? "Not bloody likely!" we all said. "People can say things to me there!"

Hey if baking cupcakes and holdin hands is your cup of tea so be it. It aint Bo's. Bo would rather just kill you and be done with it. If you wont to be a teetotaler thats your choice. Bo was just offerin a solution to his problem, more that what you are doing!

 

[cdavbar]

Why do people even complain about horde minions? I can pick up and bank 5x more gold as a horde minion in the time it takes for it to fill its pack.....get over it peoples let the little minions be.

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

Why do people even complain about horde minions? I can pick up and bank 5x more gold as a horde minion in the time it takes for it to fill its pack.....get over it peoples let the little minions be.

I don't think such complaining is typical. Indeed, I've never seen it, nor have I heard about it until this post.

-Galen's player

 

[G.v.P]

Tonight I was doing an Illshenar champ spawn on my mage. [...] I was lectured by one of the regulars that I should not be using a horde minion because it was unfair. I politely explained that this was an ability of my template and it was not unfair since anyone could bring their necromancer. He continued to lecture me stating that it was socially immoral and that I should refrain from using the horde minion.

If it's a public spawn then it's bad etiquette to use a horde minion. Still, as long as you don't SS the corpse, I wouldn't really complain. That's the most annoying thing a necro can do, SS the corpse or animate it. If it's just your guild then I don't see why it would be a real issue unless there are over 10 players there. You could always solo an Ilsh Rats spawn ;P...pick up 150,000 that way, and no one to pancake at you. It's a fun time.

I'm more concerned by your use of gray text on Stratics .

 

[G.v.P]

Why do people even complain about horde minions? I can pick up and bank 5x more gold as a horde minion in the time it takes for it to fill its pack.....get over it peoples let the little minions be.

Nothing like picking up gold so fast they stop you because it mimics scripting. That was an annoying "feature," lol.

 

[KLOMP]

I can pick up gold as fast as anyone else and keep a horde minion out while I do it.

 

[Saul_Siege]

Don't like that necro actually is useful for something other than pvp?

This is a non issue. Thankfully on siege I would just kill the moron who thought they had any kind of right to loot on the ground Lol. Talk about entitled. (The beauty of siege is that I wouldn't run into anyone like that. Much greater chance to find someone who feels entitled to YOUR loot, from your corpse.)