Title says it all. judging from the complaints out of the PVP side it appears the answer is a resounding NO.
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Can we get a Roll Call from the Dev's that actually PVP`
- Thread starter SlobberKnocker
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Oh there they are
. It's hard to clearly make out who is who but I'm sure they are all out there.
. It's hard to clearly make out who is who but I'm sure they are all out there.If the team PvPed and admitted it, there would be a firestorm of protests and whining from anyone who lost, complaining that their opponent must be a cheating dev.
They are the subject of enough conspiracy theories as it stands now, let alone if they actually did PvP, and then admitted it in public that they did.
-Galen's player
They are the subject of enough conspiracy theories as it stands now, let alone if they actually did PvP, and then admitted it in public that they did.
-Galen's player
The pvpers only asked for throwing damage to be toned down in pvp(they can do that since they were able to cap AI in pvp at 35 while leaving it at over 100 in pvm).
Pvpers asked for cleansing winds to be toned down some. It was buffed even more looks like.
Crafters asked for "all armor types to be useful again" and we got the rest of this...
Get real with your false accusations. We're all screwed with this crap, pvpers more so.
PvPers complain about balance all the time and its not just throwing and Cleansing winds, that's just the most recent of your many complaints. You got your balance changes with this patch its just not the kind of balance you wanted. PVMers have been screwed over by your pvp whining for years.
Your constant PVP balance whining made the devs think this game was so broken it needed to be completely revamped. So it IS completely your fault.
There are like 5 new nerf this or that for pvp threads everyday. Crafters only complain about armor for cosmetic purposes. and only once in a blue moon. Unlike PVP whiners who whine everyday
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I have to agree with frostbolt on this one.... I too am really tired of the whining you pvp'rs do here and the changes the rest of us have to live with as a result. I have nothing against pvp'ing per se - there is now and has always been a place for it in UO. But I think it fair to say that the pvp "population" is only a small fraction of the overall playerbase, and I too would like to see the dev's focus much more in the future on things the "majority" of the population desire. Like a long overdue Vendor Search system to bring the economy back into balance... You have said that it was up toward the top of your list of things to do, but could one of you devs throw the rest of us a bone and at least tell us that you're actually working on THAT?
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We complain about balance because it's not balanced. Duh. When 1 or 2 templates can destroy every other possible template thought of since AoS then it's not balanced.
The game IS broken. PvMers just don't complain about it because it's to their benefit. I pvm just as much if not more than i pvp and i wasn't complaining that i could solo a medusa (which i believe it was never intended for any single person to solo a boss). You can bet if it's too hard there's gonna be a thread or two about it.
If it's just cosmetic they could have just worn it anyway. People wanted it "useful" again and here we are.
Don't go putting pvpers as the scapegoats in this crap. Just accept it's nobodys fault other than paid workers having to release something new to show their work.
The game IS broken. PvMers just don't complain about it because it's to their benefit. I pvm just as much if not more than i pvp and i wasn't complaining that i could solo a medusa (which i believe it was never intended for any single person to solo a boss). You can bet if it's too hard there's gonna be a thread or two about it.
If it's just cosmetic they could have just worn it anyway. People wanted it "useful" again and here we are.
Don't go putting pvpers as the scapegoats in this crap. Just accept it's nobodys fault other than paid workers having to release something new to show their work.
Why would they do that when a external website does it for them? I've never been a fan of the wasted resources that would have been used on such a search but since one or two people seem to code stuff it's not going to happen.
Not going to happen? Well, they said it was high on their list...
Stop trying to defend yourself PVPer. Your not a scapegoat when its completely your fault. A game like UO can NEVER be balanced because there are no classes. Hells even games with classes cannot be balanced for pvp. The only kind of game that can be balanced is a FPS game where only 1 gun exists. Stop complaining because the game was fine. Your PVP complaints finally screwed things over for yourself so live with it. Maybe you will learn a lesson from this.. or not
Dont even try to compare the amount of QQ generated by pvpers with that of pvers. If pvers (more specifically people concerned with RP) mentioned armor cosmetics once a pvper woulda complained about throwing weapons or something 50x.
If a pver complains about a new boss requiring multiple people to kill for a week, a pvper would complain about cleansing winds or something for years despite multiple nerfs.
PvE people rarely if ever complain about issues that concern this so called "balance" So yea, PvPer's fault completely and definitely
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We keep complaining because they never get it right. They have never listened to the players and always added their own evil little twist on what people actually wanted. Just like this patch.
I'm done replying to your ignorance trying to blame a whole class of people when its obviously effecting everyone. "I" haven't complained about anything other than throwing base damage hits and protection cleansing winds in pvp (numbers which can be seperated from pvm).
Maybe we can sit and at the bank in our new armor and discuss this over an ale since we won't have the stamina to actually go out and slay anything.
I'm done replying to your ignorance trying to blame a whole class of people when its obviously effecting everyone. "I" haven't complained about anything other than throwing base damage hits and protection cleansing winds in pvp (numbers which can be seperated from pvm).
Maybe we can sit and at the bank in our new armor and discuss this over an ale since we won't have the stamina to actually go out and slay anything.
Good cause you are clueless if you think its such an easy fix. Numbers separated from pvm? As if the devs are good enough at their jobs to actually do something like this rofl. No your idea will never happen. And PVPers will never stop complaining until they remove cleansing winds from the game, or nerf it to the point where its completely useless for both pvp and pvm.
I don't care if "you" never complained about whatever. I am addressing pvpers in general. You pvpers complain about the same thing in general so one PvPer is much the same as another.
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its not the pvpers, or the non pvpers whining Its the hamsters who keeps uo running so we all can play are whining. The word is they are over worked, and they asked for these changes in uo. Those sleeping hamsters you got are actually spy cameras that were put together by intelligent hamsters. These sleeping hamster spy cameras watched your entire moves, logged everything , and passed the information on to Mesanna, and the Dev team. A team who is willing to go out there fix this game for all those over worked hamsters.
Oh !!!! did I let you know they all work for peanuts.
I hate change as much as others, but the blaming needs to stop seriously because some whines on a board that the dev say ok lets nerf this because he said so. Things are tested and tested over and over. Then its decided if it needs to be nerfed. If whining got me what I wanted I be here everyday whining about.
No lag on my end. 
Can we match it with a roll call of pvpers who've actually tested the publish rather than read the notes and jump to untried conclusions?
PvPers are such an inane and hysterical group of people that the pay rise required for a dev to actually interact with them as part of the group would bankrupt EA. Just the therapy bills alone would cost more than UO makes in a month.
Same and I`m on a 1.5 meg dsl connection.No lag on my end.
Ok i will start the ball rolling
I just tested my fencing archer down in despise and i got ruined by lvl 3 spawn. Once they all block you in and youre wearing leather armor, forget it, you cant chug a stam pot fast enough now to push your way through. I am losing stamina faster than i can regen it.
My dexter is ruined.
PvP'ers 1 Devs 0 so far
Edit: I would have done more tests but they shut down test center then put it back up again after deleting my character... I will try more soon. But its not looking good
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Yes, I think a dexxer archer will need to wear heavier armour. Just as they would have pre AoS?
Though I was always told not to let the spawn surround me and to avoid getting blocked in?
The I-C guys used to laugh at me if that happened to me when I was champing with them.
Though I was always told not to let the spawn surround me and to avoid getting blocked in?
The I-C guys used to laugh at me if that happened to me when I was champing with them.
winker, on the level three, were u rocking a kami???
i always have a whilrwind weapon in my bag when im traveling through spawn.
i always have a whilrwind weapon in my bag when im traveling through spawn.
I just went down with a Pure PvP char with no PvM weapons. I was shocked at how much my stamina was being hit with each time my char was being hit with damage. I let the ogre lords thump me a few times and they were taking 50% of my stamina with one hit.
I let the spawn block me in on purpose, it will happen to you when your PvPing, I know there are ways to over come it (honour your self) invis, etc. But there are times when there's no getting away from it during a battle. Once you are 3 tiles deep in spawn in each direction and more in coming, your toast!
I let the spawn block me in on purpose, it will happen to you when your PvPing, I know there are ways to over come it (honour your self) invis, etc. But there are times when there's no getting away from it during a battle. Once you are 3 tiles deep in spawn in each direction and more in coming, your toast!
I went to an in game pvp discussion where Messanna attended. To the "non pvpers" here that are saying pvpers whine... you have no clue what you are talking about. I was standing right beside Messanna while 100 newbs threw ideas at her for pvp... THOSE ARE NOT PVPERS. The real pvpers were pvping right next to where the event was taking place, blissfully unaware of the fact that it was even happening... You have no idea what you're talking about. The changes you're complaining about that you have to live with, are usually suggested by trammies. Because pvpers don't care to goto events. They want to pvp. The only time you see real pvpers on the boards, is when idiotic changes are put into the game, and we read about them and literally crap a brick. The saying, "The squeaky wheel gets the grease," that saying is about trammies, and people who have no business discussing pvp with a developer in the first place. I already gave them the best suggestion for good ideas about pvp. Goto a place where a real pvper is kicking everyones face into the dirt, grab that guy, and take him to UO jail, and engage him in a real conversation and ask his opinion. You'll get the answers you want. Please have your questions prepared ahead of time if you do this with me though. As I'll get irritated if you waste my time. By the way, most of this publish is garbage. Please remember that adding to systems is better than changing them. If you want to nerf something, raise it's mana cost, or increase it's cast time, and do it a little at a time. Drastic changes are moronic. I'm so tired of living with patches that are worthless, that seriously, this might be the one for me if it ruins templates I've played for 10+ years. How do you kill a tank dexer with healing when all your specials have timers on them? Seriously? Someone thought that was a good idea for pvp? Timers are lazy fixes. That's not balancing.
Cal used to PvP. They fired him. Pretty sure Draconi used to PvP. They fired him.
I see a worrying trend developing here…
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People whine because EA won't fix problems. People whine when EA fixes problems. Games evolve. Players should attempt to evolve with the game. I remember way back when plate armor was worn by warriors, leather armor was worn by warrior mages and regular cloth items were worn by crafters and jewelry was just for adornment. Over the years it has become necessary to learn how to use a spreadsheet program to figure out your suit just to survive in the game, PVP, PVM or crafting.
UO has undergone major changes so many times that it isn't UO anymore at all. It has evolved into something much different. The best way to get through to the developers of the current UO is to test the changes and report your findings here and through email. I don't PVP so I will not say anything about PVP. I PVM and some of the changes are going to cause me to have to significantly alter some of my suits. I was planning on building a thrower but with these changes it would seem my archer will do just as good of a job now. The changes don't really seem to affect my crafters...yet.
I have spent 15+ years adapting to changes in UO. I have made reports to the Devs, reported bugs, seen my reports actually affect the game. And I have also bitched and whined about things and saw no changes because of that. Will this change ruin the current state of UO? Possibly for some. Overall, I am glad that there will finally be a difference in wearing leather armor vrs plate. It brings a little more realism to the game. Of course that is only my opinion, feel free to flamestike me at will.
UO has undergone major changes so many times that it isn't UO anymore at all. It has evolved into something much different. The best way to get through to the developers of the current UO is to test the changes and report your findings here and through email. I don't PVP so I will not say anything about PVP. I PVM and some of the changes are going to cause me to have to significantly alter some of my suits. I was planning on building a thrower but with these changes it would seem my archer will do just as good of a job now. The changes don't really seem to affect my crafters...yet.
I have spent 15+ years adapting to changes in UO. I have made reports to the Devs, reported bugs, seen my reports actually affect the game. And I have also bitched and whined about things and saw no changes because of that. Will this change ruin the current state of UO? Possibly for some. Overall, I am glad that there will finally be a difference in wearing leather armor vrs plate. It brings a little more realism to the game. Of course that is only my opinion, feel free to flamestike me at will.
Good post. The difference you mentioned is that you'll have to redo your suits while we,the pvpers, have to undergo complete template changes along with suit changes. These numbers may not look like much to you but it totally kills a few whole pvp templates. Fencer archer which depends on disarm to make a kill. The true ninja which depends on disarm in order to hit people to poison them. Looks like throwers will be nerfed and non mystics will suffer hard from the stam as well.
It gets really frustrating to have to completely redo everything with these fixes.
If this has the same effect as the faction nerf PvP is down to 20 people instead of a few hundred it's at now.
I understand your frustrations. I have had to do complete template redesigns over the years and it is never any fun. Please remember one thing: The changes have not yet been made. If enough people share their problems through the proper channels there is a chance that the changes will change or be removed before they are implemented. Communication with the development team over the years has been less than good, but I honestly feel that Mesanna and Bleak are at least listening/reading what we have to say. Here again it will be up to us to convince them that the changes are harmful and not helpful. A level head and clear concise explanations will go much further than whining. Here again, that is just my opinion.
LOL! Great reply!
To all the Whining PVPers whining about PVMers complaining about PVPers Whining and threatening PVMers with Arena beatings I say Good luck with all of that. Tell you what, if you want to settle it like a gentleman drop your connection to my crappy DSL speed and I will happily duel you, hell, I'll even use my crafter!
All kidding aside, I was offering a suggestion on how to get through to the development team, I wasn't complaining about all the whiny little PVP punk @$$ bi7ch3$.
Alright, really leaving all kidding aside, Speak up to the development team and hopefully changes will be made. I am actually on your side. If we lose all 3 PVPers in UO then it would be an empty wasteland.
Okay, maybe I am not capable of leaving all kidding aside!
BTW Lynk, thank you very much for all your PVM Sampire advice and instruction over the years. It has made my PVM Sampire nearly unbeatable.
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I should be extremely disappointed if the debate over these changes devolves into "PvPers vs. these changes."
These are extensive changes that plainly will impact PvP disproportionately. PvPers may well be exaggerating their impact but that doesn't mean the impact won't be extensive: It will be. Basically anything that impacts Felucca push-through is going to be a big deal by definition, and push-through isn't the only thing at issue.
There are also plenty of reasons to oppose these changes --and the more I hear and read about tests and the more I think about it the more I am opposed to them-- that have nothing whatsoever to do with PvP.
-Galen's player
These are extensive changes that plainly will impact PvP disproportionately. PvPers may well be exaggerating their impact but that doesn't mean the impact won't be extensive: It will be. Basically anything that impacts Felucca push-through is going to be a big deal by definition, and push-through isn't the only thing at issue.
There are also plenty of reasons to oppose these changes --and the more I hear and read about tests and the more I think about it the more I am opposed to them-- that have nothing whatsoever to do with PvP.
-Galen's player
Just take out the PVP and replace it with UO.
Pvpers are the problem? Lol how many of these posts are being created by pvmers?
Whats even better is the pvmer telling the pvper that pvm wasnt broken, that your supposed to be able to solo everything in the game and hell your not even supposed to be present.
Thats what scripts are for, hell we all know many are running spawns without doing anything. Yet we have a problem when something is put into place to possibly interrupt that.
To everyone thats never experienced a nerf in their character, so what, get used to it. Had they actually spent money on this game you would be getting a major change once a year.
To all the pvmers that thought everything was just fine, i pity you, perhaps i could make you a magical suit that gave you 100 to each resist and the ability to hit for 2 million damage.
I guess life can never be easy enough for you.
Whats even better is the pvmer telling the pvper that pvm wasnt broken, that your supposed to be able to solo everything in the game and hell your not even supposed to be present.
Thats what scripts are for, hell we all know many are running spawns without doing anything. Yet we have a problem when something is put into place to possibly interrupt that.
To everyone thats never experienced a nerf in their character, so what, get used to it. Had they actually spent money on this game you would be getting a major change once a year.
To all the pvmers that thought everything was just fine, i pity you, perhaps i could make you a magical suit that gave you 100 to each resist and the ability to hit for 2 million damage.
I guess life can never be easy enough for you.
No offense Rowan but why should the paying customers have to spend time emailling because something so bad and poorly thought out was introduced into the game in the first place?LOL! Great reply!
To all the Whining PVPers whining about PVMers complaining about PVPers Whining and threatening PVMers with Arena beatings I say Good luck with all of that. Tell you what, if you want to settle it like a gentleman drop your connection to my crappy DSL speed and I will happily duel you, hell, I'll even use my crafter!
All kidding aside, I was offering a suggestion on how to get through to the development team, I wasn't complaining about all the whiny little PVP punk @$$ bi7ch3$.
Alright, really leaving all kidding aside, Speak up to the development team and hopefully changes will be made. I am actually on your side. If we lose all 3 PVPers in UO then it would be an empty wasteland.
Okay, maybe I am not capable of leaving all kidding aside!
BTW Lynk, thank you very much for all your PVM Sampire advice and instruction over the years. It has made my PVM Sampire nearly unbeatable.
It is mind boggling to me that anyone who has been around this game more then 10 minutes could have conceived of new ideas this clueless and horrible.
Force specific templates to wear only one type of armor and then make that armor not compatible with the template?
Are you freakin kidding me?
I don't PvP at all (200+ ping and what not) but I see that at least the stam changes are a killer for both PvP and PvM.
Stamina is dropping much quicker and you have less options to refresh it (divine fury nerfed, refresh pots timers), and with some weapons having their speed decreased (goodbye composite bow, you were a good friend) surviving both PvM and PvP with certain weapons and armours will be impossible.
I am a girl of simple tastes. When I heard that they were revamping armour and weapons, I started dreaming of having a toon armoured in full plate, wielding a halberd and being able to tell my friends that they could leave Toto, the fire breathing, overgrown chicken at the stables and bring that nice pack of hell hounds, that rune beetle or other pet of their preference to hunt, because I would stand there and tank the big bad monster while they dropped a heal once in a while and the mages focused on doing big damage.
This revamp doesn't accomplish this. If anything, it makes it even harder, as you will lose stamina much faster since most big baddies also tend to cast spells on you, which saps your stamina even faster.
This is a nightmare for PvM melee, and I don't even want to think how bad it will be in PvP to not have nightmares tonight.
Stamina is dropping much quicker and you have less options to refresh it (divine fury nerfed, refresh pots timers), and with some weapons having their speed decreased (goodbye composite bow, you were a good friend) surviving both PvM and PvP with certain weapons and armours will be impossible.
I am a girl of simple tastes. When I heard that they were revamping armour and weapons, I started dreaming of having a toon armoured in full plate, wielding a halberd and being able to tell my friends that they could leave Toto, the fire breathing, overgrown chicken at the stables and bring that nice pack of hell hounds, that rune beetle or other pet of their preference to hunt, because I would stand there and tank the big bad monster while they dropped a heal once in a while and the mages focused on doing big damage.
This revamp doesn't accomplish this. If anything, it makes it even harder, as you will lose stamina much faster since most big baddies also tend to cast spells on you, which saps your stamina even faster.
This is a nightmare for PvM melee, and I don't even want to think how bad it will be in PvP to not have nightmares tonight.
I have to agree with you.
The stam changes are really, really bad.
Oh yeah, you wait untill those who paid millions for there suit find out that its now Junk and its going to cost millions to replace it. I tried it yesterday, Oger Lord took 50% of my stamina in one hit. I was wearing my best PvP leather suit, but its now a worthless suit...
QFT
Go to New Haven and target 1 Spellbinder and see how fast he dumps your stamina. LOL Its a joke.
Yeah i did a lvl 3 rat spawn yesterday and at lvl 3 you're toast. 3 rat mages all casting on you and your rooted to the spot unable to move as you have 0 stamina
This is such a great patch for any fighter class PvP or PvM. No Hit Points lost but yet they can Stamina drain you in a min. LOL
Love that the main bulk of pvp crying is the Fencing 210 stam disarm archers lol.
Learn Magery ffs. Disarm them spamming ai isn't pvp in the first place
Learn Magery ffs. Disarm them spamming ai isn't pvp in the first place