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Armor/Weapons Revamp details?

G.v.P

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Plate Armor still provides a slight base Resist total bonus over Leather, even today.
Not a base bonus, only a material bonus (Valorite). Plate, wood, and leather have a base of 15 while bone and studded leather have a base of 16. Barbed adds 12 and Valorite adds 13, while Bloodwood and Frostwood add 18.

That's what i suggest. Make all Platemail (Human Platemail and Samurai Platemail) equivalent to Gargoyle Platemail in base Resist totals. As an example, in order to get a human Platemail Suit to all 70's, it takes me a total of 7 imbues spread out across the pieces to do it, and that's literally 70/70/70/70/70. In contrast, it took me a total of 5 imbues spread out across the pieces to get a Gargoyle Platemail Suit to 74/85/70/82/73, and that's with Gargish Earrings/Necklace not benefitting from material type or GM Armslore.
Sounds fine to me, but I guess it depends on what people want to do with revamp loot. As it is now you can't craft anything close to revamp artifacts, and if you could I suppose it wouldn't really be too much of an issue due to hard caps. The problem is usually +skill items, and gimp templates :/.

Perhaps at least balance human/elf leather and plate to wood, or change how material enhances leather and plate.
 

GalenKnighthawke

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Perhaps the most-telling part of your post is the very beginning, where you ridicule me for....Using a dictionary.

Using an objective source is, to you, a call for criticism.

I've read your post multiple times and there's naught but personal attacks, which I really don't feel like returning...Indeed I'll wager that's what you'd like me to do.

That's all you got so it's what you do.

*shrugs*

Oh well.

-Galen's player

You might want to plug "reason" into M-W or whatever you prefer, lol.



You want to hide clothing artificially. I find that silly , disgusting, lazy, and uninspired. I would never play Galen UO and I'm glad you aren't a dev. Those are opinions, and no one will treat them as fact. If you feel offended then I apologize, but I'm not going to pay to have your ideas go through.



You are unable to balance mods on a suit without stashing your robe. I gave you advice and even offered to help crunch numbers, which you refused to acknowledge. I also offered a compromise to minimize aesthetic "damage," which you refused to acknowledge. For someone so hell bent on thinking you're a victim you've certainly adopted the role of pseudo aggressor and seem incapable of change. I'd much rather deal with a straight forward PvP type than a passive aggressive Luna socialite in the context of an argument, because at least there would be enough on both sides for a debate.



You don't really argue, that's the problem. You're stuck in the abstract. You want a change and you offer the change as a means to an aesthetic ideal. There is no substance, there. If instead you had a solid reason for an aesthetic ideal I would have an easier time understanding what you want to accomplish, like my example of faction robes. You just come across as someone who wants something for no real reason except to have it. If you had examples of how it would improve the community or serve some greater purpose then your request would have strength. As it is now, you just come across as lazy, someone who can't balance a suit and doesn't want to try.
 

G.v.P

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Perhaps the most-telling part of your post is the very beginning, where you ridicule me for....Using a dictionary.
It's just funny when someone on a message board feels compelled to use an online dictionary as a credible source, let alone Merriam Webster. But I won't get into an OED diatribe, lol.
 

Sauteed Onion

Lore Keeper
Stratics Veteran
When it doubt edit it out. Or edit in pictures of cats. :)

After this is all solved, I do believe we need to address cat armor. Cats are too UP currently.
Well, I'll go ahead and say it in it's unedited weirdness.

I get tired of being humanoid shaped, so I often polymorph into a gorilla. Also, Polar bear form has excellent casting animations.
 

Vessel the Humakti

Adventurer
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Btw, we -some of my friend- talk about this issue in Local UO SNS, our simulation result is very bad. It is not so easy. maybe we need HUGE modify for balance.
Can we correct it only single Pub?

My answer is "Negative".
 

GalenKnighthawke

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There is a huge difference between nerfing things which are in dire need of it. For example Word of Death NEEDED that in pvp. For example, Word of Death, Upcapped Armor Ignores, Honoring players. These had to be nerfed as they were absurd.

How those even got in game is beyond me. However it's completely different when something needs to be changed like that, vs things that don't like suggestions for leather to have a max physical of 30 or whatever other idea people have come up with that have been dreadful.
While I am not saying you're wrong about these things having to be nerfed, I will say that every single thing you mentioned had its vociferous defenders at the time. Even Word of Death was defended by some in-game as being "balanced" because of how it required a Circle to be fully effective. Honoring players was also defended and indeed back when I was PvPing actively and oft-posting about it I used to get called a Trammie for suggesting it should be removed. The extreme damage armor ignores I remember people complaining when they changed it, you're nerfing warriors, this game is mages online now, etc.

What one person argues must be nerfed is another person's sacred principle that simply cannot be nerfed.

-Galen's player
 

Speaking the Truth

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While I am not saying you're wrong about these things having to be nerfed, I will say that every single thing you mentioned had its vociferous defenders at the time. Even Word of Death was defended by some in-game as being "balanced" because of how it required a Circle to be fully effective. Honoring players was also defended and indeed back when I was PvPing actively and oft-posting about it I used to get called a Trammie for suggesting it should be removed. The extreme damage armor ignores I remember people complaining when they changed it, you're nerfing warriors, this game is mages online now, etc.

What one person argues must be nerfed is another person's sacred principle that simply cannot be nerfed.

-Galen's player
When a large majority points out something is wrong, something is wrong. That's really isn't saying much that one trick ponies want to keep it up as in certain eras you have people that have never been skilled enough to get a skill so they need something like perfection that could crit for over 150 dmg and it was impossible to defend against for example.

Somethings need to be changed like the ones listed. Sometimes things need to be updated [like how specials and weapons are going to be looked at]. However somethings don't need changes like people are suggesting. Having plate give an absurd amount of physical, or removing med from all other armor[plate,woodland]. Then you get people who try to get way to technical and say oh well a mage can't wear plate armor because mages wouldn't be able to lift their arms and focus on the fact that plate might be heavy, instead of the fact that we don't have people hurling fireballs in real life.

More often than not it's horrible changes they suggest. Most of the best suggestions are in going back to the way some things were. This game would be booming if they did not change or add things just for the sake of it because the Devs felt they HAD to in order to earn their paycheck.
 

CovenantX

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UNLEASHED
More often than not it's horrible changes they suggest. Most of the best suggestions are in going back to the way some things were. This game would be booming if they did not change or add things just for the sake of it because the Devs felt they HAD to in order to earn their paycheck.
I simply couldn't agree more with that. It was simple at one point, and pretty well balanced at multiple eras in UO.
Not to say it can't happen again, it's certainly going to be different than before, but hopefully it's better :D

*Has high hopes*
 
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