Need a lil help with a Pinco alternative,what happened to...

[Mitzlplik_LS]

Modders exchange?

No offense to Pinco in the least. Pinco has created something that has brought lots of new people over to the dark side which is the EC. For that he deserves a pay check from EA imho.

But onto my question. While I love Pinco`s, I am starting to not love all the extra`s. To me its starting to feel quite bloated and things like the new info gump that pops up when ya hover over stuff lags me right out. No such thing as quick lootin anymore and has gotten me killed on several occasions.

I hate the stock UI that comes with SA. Its is useless compared to the extra`s Pinco`s provides. I guess my question is where is there anymore UI`s? Is there a stripped down version of Pinco`s without all the extra stuff that is causing me to want to change? Is there some other UI`s out there like what I used to run which was Dermotts (sp?)

Just for the past 2 weeks I have noticed a serious slow down in my UI,I swap to no UI and just run what came with SA and I have zero lag and zero problems. Tis a shame but for me I have come to rely on Pinco`s and now I am like alot of the hardcore CC users. Now I`m set in my ways and no way will I play UO with the stock UI,no way will I play UO in the CC client (dragging everything! BLAH). I would play the stock UI if it had right click looting and settin a loot bag and a couple other things that really should have been in the SA UI to begin with.

So atm, its play as it is with Pinco`s or don`t play at all. Any help,links or advice would be great.

Thanks.

 

[Lorddog]

might be a good request to pinco's to have a checkbox list of things you want it to do and it would not waste cpu time on doing features you dont want.

 

[MalagAste]

Pinco has many things that you can turn on or off.... you just have to go thru the options menu.

 

[Dermott of LS]

Modders exchange?

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Thanks.

Right now, the Modder's Exchange is in a kind of no-man's land of sorts. Illandril took down the original site due to not having time to upkeep it, and the long period of time that there was a very real lack of quality work to improve the EC pushed most modders out of the community by simple attrition. There is something going on behind the scenes that I do know about, but right now, until we see some significant support for the EC, not much is going to happen. Right now the site is not "up", but with luck it will be soon.

 

[Mitzlplik_LS]

Thanks all. I love Pinco`s but also love variety. Can only hope that more people get interested or re-interested in Mod`s,UI`s and stuff. I miss the exchange,visited there and DL`d stuff quite often last time I played.

As for turning things off, I have done that. I dumbed it right down and I still get lag.... bad enough to stop animations if I hover over the item info gump while I`m fighting. So even while turning things off helped a little it is not as good as it used to be for me.Wish it worked as good as it did bout 2-3 weeks ago.

Dunno, it is what it is I guess.

Thanks for the replies and PM`s

 

[Lady Laurel]

I don't know if you have tried this, but if you regenerate your profile it might help with the lag. It did for my husband. Just follow the directions and your settings will be saved, but it will get rid of unnecessary data which over time can cause lag.

 

[Maleachi]

I created a post about Pinco's UI on his support forum once, cause I was having similar problems.
The lag caused by Pinco's UI was unbearable. Unfortunately, Pinco never believed that the lag was caused by his UI, even though plenty people backed up my story. And all I tried all the fixes that were suggested, but despite these suggestions, Pinco's never got close to the default UI again.

This happened well over 6 months ago and I have been playing with the standard UI since.
I must admit that it takes some getting used to, getting back to a stripped down UI, but since I pvp too, playing lagfree is more important to me then having all kinds of nifty options.

My advice;

Try the default UI, give it some time and you will forget which extras Pinco got you!

 

[Madrid]

I run 3 instances of Pinco's UI on occasion plus a slew of other applications simultaneously and I'm not having any issues (8 Gigs of Ram DDR2/Core DUO CPU).

Altering the FPS helps quite a bit to improve performance when you feel like your lagging.

I'm just not buying it that the Pinco UI is the problem when I can run 3 and watch youtube video while browsing uo stratics uhall.

Check your hardware people it's 2013 not 1997!

 

[Pinco]

Modders exchange?

No offense to Pinco in the least. Pinco has created something that has brought lots of new people over to the dark side which is the EC. For that he deserves a pay check from EA imho.

But onto my question. While I love Pinco`s, I am starting to not love all the extra`s. To me its starting to feel quite bloated and things like the new info gump that pops up when ya hover over stuff lags me right out. No such thing as quick lootin anymore and has gotten me killed on several occasions.

I hate the stock UI that comes with SA. Its is useless compared to the extra`s Pinco`s provides. I guess my question is where is there anymore UI`s? Is there a stripped down version of Pinco`s without all the extra stuff that is causing me to want to change? Is there some other UI`s out there like what I used to run which was Dermotts (sp?)

Just for the past 2 weeks I have noticed a serious slow down in my UI,I swap to no UI and just run what came with SA and I have zero lag and zero problems. Tis a shame but for me I have come to rely on Pinco`s and now I am like alot of the hardcore CC users. Now I`m set in my ways and no way will I play UO with the stock UI,no way will I play UO in the CC client (dragging everything! BLAH). I would play the stock UI if it had right click looting and settin a loot bag and a couple other things that really should have been in the SA UI to begin with.

So atm, its play as it is with Pinco`s or don`t play at all. Any help,links or advice would be great.

Thanks.

Almost everything can be disabled (even the new properties).
But it's not the UI causing lag, but the client. I have tried the new properties gump without showing it and all it's fine, but when it appears generates 1 hit of lag (just showing it without doing anything else). This happen because the client uses just 1 thread for everything (having at least 1 thread for UI and 1 for the game would GREATLY reduce the lag).
Then if you have troubles you should report it so I can try to fix the problem instead of crying because your toy is broken

 

[Mitzlplik_LS]

Crying? Who is crying here? Can you be any more condescending? Real professional of you I must say,I could understand your condescention if I was running you down or being ignorant toward you but I was not. At least you admit my toy IS broken,thankyou . All ya`ll who wants to say "its your machine,its the client,its UO" well answer me this. Why does everything even right out and work perfectly when I disable the UI? YA NUFF SAID.

So I didn`t come here to run down Pinco`s in the least,I actually love it but when it effects my gameplay I start lookin for an alternative. Buuuut much like Microsoft I`m pretty much stuck with what I have since there is no other choice.

As for my machine:
AMD Phenom quad core
8 gigs ram
1 gig vid card
1tb hd

So Madrid...... there goes your inadequate hardware notion. I`m well aware of the current date and I am good at keeping my machine current.

But whatever

Thanks to those who offered helpful advice.

 

[Silly Seadog]

Arrrrrr, me do be a-cryin' fer me empty bottle o' rum!

 

[Pinco]

Crying? Who is crying here? Can you be any more condescending? Real professional of you I must say,I could understand your condescention if I was running you down or being ignorant toward you but I was not. At least you admit my toy IS broken,thankyou . All ya`ll who wants to say "its your machine,its the client,its UO" well answer me this. Why does everything even right out and work perfectly when I disable the UI? YA NUFF SAID.

So I didn`t come here to run down Pinco`s in the least,I actually love it but when it effects my gameplay I start lookin for an alternative. Buuuut much like Microsoft I`m pretty much stuck with what I have since there is no other choice.

As for my machine:
AMD Phenom quad core
8 gigs ram
1 gig vid card
1tb hd

So Madrid...... there goes your inadequate hardware notion. I`m well aware of the current date and I am good at keeping my machine current.

But whatever

Thanks to those who offered helpful advice.

This client is made with just 1 thread and every piece of code will make it heavier. You say the default UI does no lag? of course, there is nothing... try without the UI at all (I tried once) you'll see that the client run extremely fast if compared to the default UI.

The second thing that makes you lag is your character profile, keep it clean and the game will be smooth.
Then as I've already said time ago, the more macros/hotbars/container or any visual element you have, the more you makes the game heavier. Try to play with just an hotbar and nothing else and you will have a very smooth game.

Now, to conclude: this game is not wow, the UI tools are about none, and make this UI is mostly like making a nuclear bomb with a lighter and a metal wire... for sure it works, but it's far from being optimal. That's not because of me, but because the whole game is far from being optimal, you can compare it to an 80 year old man acting like if he has 20 year old, he can do that until he's heart blows up, and this is the same thing...

 

[Mitzlplik_LS]

LOL good analogy.
No I know its not your fault and like I said, love the UI. I got some PM`s about regenerating the profile. That did help some. Thanks for explaining how certain things make it heavier,that made alot of sense. I wasn`t around whenever you said " as I've already said time ago, the more macros/hotbars/container or any visual element you have, the more you makes the game heavier" since I only play UO in the winter time due to being laid off, I`m not up on all things current with UO.

So since regenerating my profile and turning some things off it is again playable and haven`t died yet cuz of looting.

Tis a good day.

 

[Pinco]

LOL good analogy.
No I know its not your fault and like I said, love the UI. I got some PM`s about regenerating the profile. That did help some. Thanks for explaining how certain things make it heavier,that made alot of sense. I wasn`t around whenever you said " as I've already said time ago, the more macros/hotbars/container or any visual element you have, the more you makes the game heavier" since I only play UO in the winter time due to being laid off, I`m not up on all things current with UO.

So since regenerating my profile and turning some things off it is again playable and haven`t died yet cuz of looting.

Tis a good day.

the latest mini patch should also have fixed the lag with the item properties, so try that too

 

[ShadowTrauma]

I'm not a programmer myself (basic computer knowledge only) and there is no disrespect (for any parties) intended, but is there some way that the client could be "modified" to use more threads? I probably chose the wrong terminology there, as I am sure that if there was such a simple solution it would most likely have been done already. If there is a developer that reads this, for curiosity's sake, how difficult would it be at this point to give the EC more access to computer resources? For example extra threads.

I'm glad Mitzlplik has gotten some help, like him I am always looking to improve the EC's performance. In pvp (and events) where there can be 20+ people on screen every bit of performance counts. Just recently I had to turn all particle detail to low, and the filter to player/target only as I was getting a nearly unplayable experience in large scale pvp. (I will certainly try the new mini patch/regenerate option for some extra help.)

I don't know if it can be said enough, we are definately grateful for all your hard work Pinco. From time to time we just get concerned with how the game is running, please forgive us, and keep up the great work.

 

[silent]

I also love Pincos UI but I don't use it for all things. One thing I don't use it for is if I'm sorting a large amount of items in multiple containers. With PUI extreme cursor lag and delayed click response with 2 containers open with over 100 items in each. With default UI no issues. This is with grid legacy containers off and only the default hotbars that the UI creates.

As far as systems go I really don't think that's my problem...


ASUS P6X58D PREMIUM
Intel i7 950
Sapphire Radeon HD 5970
Mushkin Enhanced Redline 6gb 240-pin DDR3 SDRAM 1600
WDC CAVIAR BLACK WD1002FAEX 1TB

 

[Pinco]

I'm not a programmer myself (basic computer knowledge only) and there is no disrespect (for any parties) intended, but is there some way that the client could be "modified" to use more threads? I probably chose the wrong terminology there, as I am sure that if there was such a simple solution it would most likely have been done already. If there is a developer that reads this, for curiosity's sake, how difficult would it be at this point to give the EC more access to computer resources, like extra threads?

I'm glad Mitzlplik has gotten some help, like him I am always looking to improve the EC's performance. In pvp (and events) where there can be 20+ people on screen every bit of performance counts. Just recently I had to turn all particle detail to low, and the filter to player/target only as I was getting a nearly unplayable experience in large scale pvp.

I don't know if it can be said enough, we are certainly grateful for all your hard work Pinco. From time to time we just get concerned with how the game is running, please forgive us, and keep up the great work.

no, the multi-threading is something that must be done in the client source code, and must be designed at the beginning in this way or in 90% of cases is a mess to change it when all is done...

 

[ShadowTrauma]

That is unfortunate to hear, at the very least I hope there is something that can be done to help modders like yourself. You really help make the EC a more enjoyable experience.