Suggestion for large plot IDOCs and suspected script looting

[weins201]

Perhaps if you see alot of items that you know will be avail or large plots (keeps or Castles) we could page ahead of time and get some GM interference for these places.

I know the script looting is rampant and not much is being done on the lead end to head it off.

I also know that game mechanics are being used to prevent placement of large houses.

If a GM could be there when the house actually falls and there thru the house timer perhaps we could get some action taken.

Soo ahead of the house fall (if you know the exact time time it went IDOC) then you could page GMs and see if they will show and actually deal with these problems.

If you are going to reply and say i don't know what I am talking about save your breath I do know what scripting is and what tactics are being used to block houses, go troll somewhere else.

If you don't like my opinion respond with proof, and other solutions. If you are not part of the solution you are the problem.

So again if you KNOW the time a large plot went IDOC or there where there are are ALOT of valuable items - page early and be tactful and respectful and try and get GMs to respond in time to deal with it, after the fact is pointless.

 

[Merus]

IMO the easiest way to prevent most scripters from profiting from an idoc would be to suspend the house co-owner, friends, and access list and make the house private as soon as it enters the decay cycle.

 

[Picus at the office]

You really expect a GM to watch a house fall? It takes hours for them to show up if a person actually needs help but you really want them to watch every IDOC in the game at the moment it falls, or the ones you are interested in?

Might you ask the bigger question that is what are we(the team) going to do to either slow down the decline of players or what could be done to get people into the game?

More EM events are not the solution although it has been the flavour of the day for the last 1.5 years.

 

[T-Hunt]

Well can always go the way of.
If i cant have any then noone should.
Make all idoc and items go poof on drop.
Nothing to loot.
Not going to happen , and as to bring more or new players to UO..
To little to late.
Any reviews i read are good and interesting, but the players comments that follow turn people off .
I will play this game till they pull the plug or i die.

 

[cdavbar]

If you are going to reply and say i don't know what I am talking about save your breath I do know what scripting is and what tactics are being used to block houses,

You don't know what you are talking about. I could post proof, but the proof would be against the Stratics rules.

 

[weins201]

You really expect a GM to watch a house fall? It takes hours for them to show up if a person actually needs help but you really want them to watch every IDOC in the game at the moment it falls, or the ones you are interested in?

Might you ask the bigger question that is what are we(the team) going to do to either slow down the decline of players or what could be done to get people into the game?

More EM events are not the solution although it has been the flavour of the day for the last 1.5 years.

Yes Picus having a GM there is EXACTLY what i want and the one I talked to earlier will do it if he is avail, as what is being done is a KNOWN (cdavbar) issue.

 

[cdavbar]

Yes Picus having a GM there is EXACTLY what i want and the one I talked to earlier will do it if he is avail, as what is being done is a KNOWN (cdavbar) issue.

Also how am I the issue?

 

[Tanivar]

You really expect a GM to watch a house fall? It takes hours for them to show up if a person actually needs help but you really want them to watch every IDOC in the game at the moment it falls, or the ones you are interested in?

The Devs could just note the times the houses are going to fall and have a GM or two stop by and watch the fall & the following two minutes to see what occurs, then do their normal work until the next two minute IDOC fall observation.

There may be software that lets them record what is going on in game that they could use to document IDOC falls and browse through them later, looking for any odd occurances. After all, the game system has the exact fall time.

For all we know, they can channel a copy of the data stream from our clients to one of their computers and they can see everything that happens just as we do, should they be interested in watching it.

Might you ask the bigger question that is what are we(the team) going to do to either slow down the decline of players or what could be done to get people into the game?

Stopping scripting is something they could do. Having less cheaters in the game would reduce the number of players leaving in disgust at all the cheating, and perhaps draw in some former or new players because the amount of cheating in UO has been reduced.

Find someone doing scripting, and any account, normal or temporary, that has that Player name, ISP, Credit Card number, phone number, or is on the same Mythic account list is perma-banned. Any attempt to create a new account with any of the same info is blocked. Should at least make the scripters return a serious hassle.

 

[weins201]

How is it a completely useless reply? I could post proof, but I value my Stratics account. Hence why I won't post proof. A GM can say or do all they want. They CANNOT stop a scripter. Hackers, yes, Scripters NO. Quit your *$*%&$* just becuase you cant loot anything yourself.

What prof that script dont loot items? uh genius they DO and that is not a violation of ToS. and guess what they could also place a house. so just go post somewhere else nothing oyu have said has any value to what i posted. and they can stop a scripter by moving him to jail its easy and has happened, even removed griefers the other day. so please.

 

[cdavbar]

If you are going to reply and say i don't know what I am talking about save your breath I do know what scripting is and what tactics are being used to block houses, go troll somewhere else.

If you don't like my opinion respond with proof, and other solutions. If you are not part of the solution you are the problem.

What prof that script dont loot items? uh genius they DO and that is not a violation of ToS. and guess what they could also place a house. so just go post somewhere else nothing oyu have said has any value to what i posted. and they can stop a scripter by moving him to jail its easy and has happened, even removed griefers the other day. so please.

I never said scripts CANT loot or place at an IDOC, read what I wrote. You insist that scripts can be dectected. NORMAL SCRIPTS CANNOT BE DETECTED! That is what I was saying. I also said that posting PROOF that a normal script CANNOT be detected would be a violation of STRATICS rules.

You are naive to think that a GM standing there can do ANYTHING because they cannot.

However, if someone was HACKING they could, but hacking is not scripting, so again your wrong.

 

[cdavbar]

and they can stop a scripter by moving him to jail its easy and has happened, even removed griefers the other day. so please.

First they would have to prove the person is scripting. Which is a slim to none chance. The only time they will catch a normal script is when they script unattended.

As far as griefers, go, that isnt scripting and its easy to see a griefer so no sh$% they went to jail.

 

[weins201]

I never said scripts CANT loot or place at an IDOC, read what I wrote. You insist that scripts can be dectected. NORMAL SCRIPTS CANNOT BE DETECTED! That is what I was saying. I also said that posting PROOF that a normal script CANNOT be detected would be a violation of STRATICS rules.

You are naive to think that a GM standing there can do ANYTHING because they cannot.

However, if someone was HACKING they could, but hacking is not scripting, so again your wrong.

Maybe you should read what I wrote I never said anything about weather a script can be detected or not, so please again take you useless opinion elsewhere. Oh and what a GM can do is see that an item is being "grabbed" every .1 seconds and tried to droped into a container. If this is seen as being done for every .1 seconds over a sustained period of time, then the player can be moved. Also you signed an agreement that allows certain parties to look into your computer and see whats running. if the result is the unmentionable program action can be taken i don't care who does it just want some actions taken.

All of this can be done and a GM can work it or initiate it. Unfortunately for you I know these actions can be taken so weather or not you think they cant I don't really care.

But someone has to be there first. That was what i was asking for.

 

[cdavbar]

Maybe you should read what I wrote I never said anything about weather a script can be detected or not, so please again take you useless opinion elsewhere. Oh and what a GM can do is see that an item is being "grabbed" every .1 seconds and tried to droped into a container. If this is seen as being done for every .1 seconds over a sustained period of time, then the player can be moved. Also you signed an agreement that allows certain parties to look into your computer and see whats running. if the result is the unmentionable program action can be taken i don't care who does it just want some actions taken.

All of this can be done and a GM can work it or initiate it. Unfortunately for you I know these actions can be taken so weather or not you think they cant I don't really care.

But someone has to be there first. That was what i was asking for.

Yet your wrong again. UOAssist can be manipulated to pick up items off the ground, so a GM watching what is being picked up cannot do anything. Also you may have not asked if it was detectable, but simply put a GM cannot do anything since it is not detectable. As far as your final thought, UO SCRAPPED the agreement that allows certian parties to look at running programs on your CPU due to heavy resistance from the playerbase, so again check your facts.

 

[WildWobble]

wow you all such greedy vultures perhaps playing the game and not sitting at the decaying carcase of an ex players remains would alieviate all your woes! as to the script looters pppht scripts are not as good as acctual people picking up stuff your slow thats all or you lag if a scripter is bothering you why not overload them with junk create food bring in a few packies of junk make a 120 of something inside a box and axe it for them to go nuts on. You will never get gms to do what you suggest they dont just gm uo they gm for sevral games if you havent noticed most of them dont have a clue about uo. no if you want some kind of official then perhaps a em might be suitable turn idocs into events where the em will teleport packies or players away if scripts are suspected or perhaps just randomly teleport everyone when it falls to some random spot and have all runes blocked in area for 5 min so it becomes a race to get back and loot hehe that could be fun.

 

[Picus of Napa]

LOL, best joke thread ever.

The excel spread sheet of years gone by said it all, they know what is going on out there. Tough luck if you can't loot the stuff, play the game but stop complaining that you can't horde some other guys left overs.

There are at best 3 GM's floating around this game but I'd bet it's one at peak hours watching every Mythic game so protecting some IDOC is never going to happen.

Stopping scripting is something they can't and won't do. Hate to say folks but the majority spoke, scripting is here to stay. You could try to pay for more "legitimate" accounts but it's not going to happen. People are tired of grinding out mines for random ore or wood. It's annoying to make a new guy when you have done it 50 times over and really all you want to do it kill top end stuff.

There are a few thousand players left here and they sure don't want to kick even 10% of them out but we all know its a much greater number than that. Even those whom "tried" it to see what gives are just as guilty as the rest.

The cat left the bag, met a girl, dated for 3 years, got married, has kids and a mortgage now. He has to work to keep the rest of us free to play, poor cat.

 

[Donal Mor]

Solution: Have everything decay. House gone... all of the contents gone. Problem solved.

It would help deflate the game economy too. An 100% 'estate' tax if you will.

 

[Gospel]

Starting to think the OP is trolling all of us. Either that or he likes the abuse. He has proven multiple times he has very little knowledge of the facts yet he keeps spewing this utter garbage as if it has not been thought of and dismissed as ridiculous a good ten years ago. I can't even take this guy seriously anymore.

As for the facts on scripting, the bottom line is word for word what Picus said. That's about as crystal clear as it can be.

The very idea that our extremely limited GM service be devoted for significant periods of time to camping IDOCs so they can ban "scripters" (aka people that loot quicker than OP) is as ridiculous an idea as the last one, and the one before that, and so on. If you really want a solution to your problem, stop going to IDOCs. You obviously are not capable of competing so stop trying to get GMs to win the race for you. Or at least vary it up and go get rocked in pvp and blame it on scripting and speedhacks like a normal troll.

 

[Poo]

Starting to think the OP is trolling all of us. Either that or he likes the abuse. He has proven multiple times he has very little knowledge of the facts yet he keeps spewing this utter garbage as if it has not been thought of and dismissed as ridiculous a good ten years ago. I can't even take this guy seriously anymore.

As for the facts on scripting, the bottom line is word for word what Picus said. That's about as crystal clear as it can be.

The very idea that our extremely limited GM service be devoted for significant periods of time to camping IDOCs so they can ban "scripters" (aka people that loot quicker than OP) is as ridiculous an idea as the last one, and the one before that, and so on. If you really want a solution to your problem, stop going to IDOCs. You obviously are not capable of competing so stop trying to get GMs to win the race for you. Or at least vary it up and go get rocked in pvp and blame it on scripting and speedhacks like a normal troll.

pot.... kettle..... kettle..... pot?

 

[Petra Fyde]

Time to stop I think.