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Well to be totally clear I was actually referring to what SixUnder said, "You jealous that a few of us have more rares than you do gold coins?"As Athelas said, is it really about quantity?
Okay, where the hell did you come from. You're like a tick on a dog, you're there, have little to no effect, and just plain annoying. Never in my 3 years of being on the Rare's forums have i seen you post one comment on anything here except this very thread. I mean, I understand some points you've made and can see where you are coming from. Yes, the pig did sell for 1bil, but that brings me back to what i posted along with that. Some people can do the high prices, while most can't.If it truly "sold" for that, is it worth "less" than that? Free market. Just something to think about.
Oh yes, please! Make it random!!! I stopped attending EM events since the top-damagers get all the stuff. No fun anymore... And by the way: Most of the events have never been much fun: Hear someone talk, run through a gate, kill hard mobs, wait for the boss, kill the boss, hope for the best...but remove the top damagers, please.
I am on the Rares forum every day. Sorry if I lack "street cred" for you, too bad. I am not a "cover-up" name for anyone here. I have posted on Stratics, under this name and only this name, for 7 years. I simply read an post by the OP, and called ********, since it was filled with several false premises, the first of which was that gold has remained steady in value the last few years. I'm sorry if you disagree, but since I posted my initial post, I've had the OP do nothing but make weak attempts to ridicule me rather than respond to my post like an adult. At least one other has told me to settle down when I've hardly gotten excited, a third has tried to whip out his epeen and tell me what I do or don't have based on his/her assumptions, and now you call me a tick on a dog. Quite frankly everyone is so quick to jump my ****, but no one has discussed or refuted my first post in this thread. Only Cyanide Mage seems to understand. Mage was calling out the same things and has yet to be questioned by the masses or responded to by the OP.Okay, where the hell did you come from. You're like a tick on a dog, you're there, have little to no effect, and just plain annoying. Never in my 3 years of being on the Rare's forums have i seen you post one comment on anything here except this very thread. I mean, I understand some points you've made and can see where you are coming from. Yes, the pig did sell for 1bil, but that brings me back to what i posted along with that. Some people can do the high prices, while most can't.
To be perfectly honest, i believe you are a 'cover up' stratics name for someone in this argument and they just don't want to use their usual name. or you could just be someone passing by that wants to get in on a argument. Either way, I personally feel you have NO idea what you are actually arguing about.
1. No one has to justify any of your claims because your claims don't mean much here at all. We don't respond to your post because it's insignificant. And as for weak attempts to ridicule you my 2 posts were legitimately asked: 1) Who are you? Better yet, who do you think you are making a post here when you don't know what you are talking about? 2) Your name is what it is, any so called "adult" player name themselves after a female anatomy part backwards and think that's good probably has the maturity at the same level.I am on the Rares forum every day. Sorry if I lack "street cred" for you, too bad. I am not a "cover-up" name for anyone here. I have posted on Stratics, under this name and only this name, for 7 years. I simply read an post by the OP, and called ********, since it was filled with several false premises, the first of which was that gold has remained steady in value the last few years. I'm sorry if you disagree, but since I posted my initial post, I've had the OP do nothing but make weak attempts to ridicule me rather than respond to my post like an adult. At least one other has told me to settle down when I've hardly gotten excited, a third has tried to whip out his epeen and tell me what I do or don't have based on his/her assumptions, and now you call me a tick on a dog. Quite frankly everyone is so quick to jump my ****, but no one has discussed or refuted my first post in this thread. Only Cyanide Mage seems to understand. Mage was calling out the same things and has yet to be questioned by the masses or responded to by the OP.
So, in closing, I'm really quite sorry that you don't like me posting here. Too ******* bad. My original premise remains....gold is ridiculously devalued, a rare at 3, 4, 500 plus million should surprise no one based on what other pixel crack (most with far more functionality) sells for, and trying to say "hey guys lets limit this so we don't go broke trying to buy all this stuff" is bs. Anything else not clear for you from the tick?
Confirmed there is something being done about the aforementioned template abusing the drop system at EM events. Also, it was mentioned on Atlantic that a possible solution is instead of having the current low # of drops (10-15) every other week that it may become high # drops (100) at the end of story lines... so lower frequency of dropping but more drops. Perhaps then item prices will drop to what it used to be 50-100m per item. The current system isn't working as intended.
A couple points I'd like to include.
While I don't agree with Aibal... He has every right to voice his opinion as much as anyone else on this forum. The moment you start silencing the opinions of anyone in the population, you prove the elitist impression that many people already believe. When it comes to discussion topics (and this was a discussion), everyone should have the right to put their two cents as long as they are not engaging in personal attacks. An' for the record, I have no idea who he is but it doesn't change my opinion.
Secondly, your importance in this community should NEVER depend on how many rares you have in your house or how much gold you have. We are a community.
For many of us, this is a passion... not a ruler on how big we can get our virtual e-peen.
I have enough gold these days to have a shot at the auctions that are in the billions... but do you know what the biggest collections I have are? Roses, Blackrock Infected Boxes and True EQ stuff. This is stuff that I bet the majority of you don't give a second thought to. Probably the rarest items in those collections might go for 15m each, but they are my pride and joy. I still get ecstatic when I find a new item to add to one of those collections. Do I have other high ticket items? Yes... when I have found items that work well with my home and characters. However, what I am most proud of as a rares collector are those items that aren't worth much to most of you, but that I have spent many, many years collecting.
I value someone's opinion who has 50m to their name and a couple rares as much as my own. They are the future of this community whether we agree with their opinions or not.
Now, about the whole rares pricing thing. I would love for the rares to drop to the levels they were. However, it is not something we can enforce. The market is what it is. As long as someone is willing to pay the prices that some people are asking, the more folks will continue to charge. People rally (myself included) when someone in this community gets scammed or has their accounts hacked, but to what true effect? Remember the Pac Rares Auction. Many of us refused to buy those items that immediately came up for sale, but guess what.... they still sold. That is reality. We can attempt to lay down rules and guidelines to pricing, but it will make little impact unless everyone else is on board.
Not everyone here is for the passion of collecting. Some are here for the virtual e-peen effect. Some are for profit. We are a community and like many families (which many are reminded of during these holidays), we are messy, loud and don't always get along.
It is what it is. All you can do is guide yourself by your own moral compass and lead by example. Sell rares at what you feel is appropriate and buy the same way.
If you looked at my original post, it was a guide and nothing more. It was never about enforcing anything because I believe in the free market myself and have benifited from it many times. I even said at the end those who wants to pay more its their choice. I was reminding people of what the prices were for a long time before the unbelivible jump and by that I meant un-natural. As for reasons why it did that many posters here stated the reasons. I am all for opinions but when people start attacking by calling this ******** that ******** don't expect the rest to just sit around and take it. Re-read the posts and see how it transpired to this point.
Only if it insta kills people when you throw it at them.On a lighter note, is anyone going to bid a billion on that pie?
Why write a guide you yourself don't follow though? It made me think of an Obsidain Statue of an Athiest Priest.If you looked at my original post, it was a guide and nothing more.
Actually, if you wouldn't mind doing a search on my sales thread over the past couple of years you'll find i stick to my guide more or less. The same items I sold for 75 are being resold by others for 375 etc.. I give package deals, and bonuses on top of that. And if you want references I am sure plenty of those can post here on the deals I've accepted on hundreds of items just these past few years.Why write a guide you yourself don't follow though? It made me think of an Obsidain Statue of an Athiest Priest.
Actually I was refering to you spamming my server last week that you were paying 500m for that weeks 1 of 10 item. So you can see why this Price Guide (generally used by both buyers and sellers) raised my eyebrows.Actually, if you wouldn't mind doing a search on my sales thread over the past couple of years you'll find i stick to my guide more or less. The same items I sold for 75 are being resold by others for 375 etc.. I give package deals, and bonuses on top of that. And if you want references I am sure plenty of those can post here on the deals I've accepted on hundreds of items just these past few years.
Yep that's true. I wanted that item. Like Assia said it was a guide and not an enforcement.Actually I was refering to you spamming my server last week that you were paying 500m for that weeks 1 of 10 item. So you can see why this Price Guide (generally used by both buyers and sellers) raised my eyebrows.
If only people would quit replacing the actual information in their auction threads with SOLD we'd have solid numbers.Yep that's true. I wanted that item. Like Assia said it was a guide and not an enforcement.
This will be my last post on this topic. As Assia Penryn so eloquently put it, my failure to post here regularly does not mean I don't have the right to post here. If you want to ignore my opinion, that is absolutely fine.1. No one has to justify any of your claims because your claims don't mean much here at all. We don't respond to your post because it's insignificant. And as for weak attempts to ridicule you my 2 posts were legitimately asked: 1) Who are you? Better yet, who do you think you are making a post here when you don't know what you are talking about? 2) Your name is what it is, any so called "adult" player name themselves after a female anatomy part backwards and think that's good probably has the maturity at the same level.
2. You can call BS or whatever but when you're trying to voice an opinion in an area you don't understand it just makes you look foolish. We know what gold sells for and know their value over the years so when I make a claim the only person found shocking was you. "gold is ridiculously devalued" really? And you know this because you sell gold all the time? Do you for one second actually think you know more than us on this forum? When 20 posters backs one point-of-view and you are the only one that backs the opposing argument and you still have to make a post trying to justify your point?
3. Everyone, do a simple search of this person on stratics and look at his history. You will see what kind of a poster he is.
Sometimes silence is actually golden.
Athleas, its time to lock this up.
wow all that over manticores nice little list of very generalized pricing, which is basically common knowledge to anyone who browses this forum over the past few years or so i thought.
it really has only been the last few months that pricing has skyrocketed. and you could blame anything for that, from the price of transfer tokens being controlled by duping episodes, to the game changes that have made items at the uo store be a very accurate guide for gold worth. (forged metal tools almost doubled in the past month, so i guess gold is worth about 20 cents a mil now?)
yep sites still get decent amount for gold, but i guess im talking about what i pay, what the average player pays. and by that im not talking about buying actual gold, im talking about how much my gold is worth. The forged metal tool is a great indicator of what golds worth, becuase its not a "blackmarket" price, its what a player will actually pay. i know i would rather pay the 45 mil on atlantic for a tool than buy the tool for 10 dollars, and enough people do that the cost has risen to 45mil from 20 mil in a couple months. If you more than dabble at UO this is pretty much a necessary item to make even a decent suit. (and i know you dont HAVE to use it to play, it would just be irrational to shell out the gold for superior base items and not get the most out of them) Im not argueing against the tool, it is great revenue for mythic (although would be nice if there was a way to get it in game just for the priciple of it)Asian sites still sell at .35 per on average, and some US sites still sell at .40 and up. There are more selling in bulk at .20-.25 though but its bulk to other retailers or long term repeat customers.
Yes its happened in the past where there's been an exploit of gold and the value of it had dropped like it has now. It's just the laws of supply and demand, plus its so much easier to obation larger amounts of gold in theI am no rares-collector, so I hope you don´t feel insulted by me posting here... But I am curious: I have noticed the same as Smoot and others do, it must have been a change in the last month...
My question: Have the long-term-players amongst you noticed similar periods in UO-history - when gold lost half of its worth - let´s say - within 6-12 month? Or do you think this is a unique thing we are experiencing at the moment?
Thanks!
You speak of cross sharders losing interest, well if multiple events were going on at the same time it would kinda end cross sharding. You would pick your favorite or home shard. And as far as top damagers getting item, why not make it once you hit a certain damage amount on boss or healing amount you get thrown in a lottery for item. That would eliminate the cookie cutter templates.Unfortunately that wouldn't fix much. Changing times for events would be like putting a band-aid on a bullet wound. Even worse (read: impossible) would be trying to balance every skill and combination of skills in the game so it would make the drop system player-skill based. The root of the problem is the system. As long as it's top damage based there will always be a template that is going to be able to out damage any other template 95% of the time. Unless the EM item drops become non-transferable and/or no-drop/no-trade and cross-shard'ers lose interest, we're back to square one where one template will clean up all of the items.
Why not have a 100 count drop at the end of a long event arc? Can anyone give me an answer other than greed? I think with all these high price tags we've all lost focus that EM events are about the story line, player interaction/involvement and most importantly having a good time. Items are just a bonus along the way and should not be the reason for going to events. The way things are going isn't healthy for events and in my opinion isn't sustainable. I say we get back to the basics and go with the 100 count drops at the end of story lines.
Well if you can follow 4 or 5 story lines at once and fight as well then I guess you deserve a item. There are also 10 American shards. you could split it 5 and 5 as far as timing goes and it would work out fine. I know it is easy on my part to say have them at the same time but I do realise that it would be asking allot of the Em's. So I really do not expect it to happen, it was just a idea.Just syncing up North American shards one coast would get the shaft in terms of timing. Throw in Asian and European shards and I doubt it's even feasable. Plus, I've done multiple events at the same time and it's not so hard.
Your other suggestion is basically the old loot system of get looting rights (certain damage amount) and cross your fingers when looting the corpse (lottery)... which Mesanna seemed to be very happy to be rid of.
l o lWell if you can follow 4 or 5 story lines at once
I am talking about moving thru mutiple gates and around Sosaria. If every event ya just showed up and fought the boss that would be one thing. All I can say is if there were 4 or 5 events going on at the same time it would give the shard hoppers more of a hard time and would be more shard based people at events. And again if you can keep your self healed and fight at 5 different events well hats of to ya Prom, I cant.l o l
Its not hard to do multiple shards at once.
Guildie on ATL: Ok Boss is up, hit it! *pew pew pew*
Guildie on GL: Ok, expect this boss up in a few
Guildie on LA: Boss is up here, good thing ATL killed theirs just before us!
Bro, please icq me.Heck, I know a guy selling 1 billion/$75