Exodus drop rates are WAY too frequent

[Sauteed Onion]

Well, I've not done the newly implemented Exodus encounter, and probably won't the original em event was terrible enough what with the crash to desktop spam he caused hehe. Anyhow I'd rather the market be flooded with legitimately obtained +5 stats as opposed to duped +5 stats. And while yes it cant' be denied that people may dupe the crap out of items or whatever just cause, I believe the researching of how to do the duping was initially inpsired because crap was too hard to get in the first place in the opinion of the duper. Now this is probably completely unrelated to the topic at hand that the drops are WAY too frequent, but perhaps this is a lazy attempt to try to curb players breaking rules by just tossing it out there and making things easily obtainable?

Nah.

 

[Promathia]

Well, I've not done the newly implemented Exodus encounter, and probably won't the original em event was terrible enough what with the crash to desktop spam he caused hehe. Anyhow I'd rather the market be flooded with legitimately obtained +5 stats as opposed to duped +5 stats. And while yes it cant' be denied that people may dupe the crap out of items or whatever just cause, I believe the researching of how to do the duping was initially inpsired because crap was too hard to get in the first place in the opinion of the duper. Now this is probably completely unrelated to the topic at hand that the drops are WAY too frequent, but perhaps this is a lazy attempt to try to curb players breaking rules by just tossing it out there and making things easily obtainable?

Nah.

 

[Sauteed Onion]

Picard captures my sentiments of uo lately though.

 

[Rumpy]

*sigh* Everyone misses the point.

I DONT do this stuff (Im too rich, why farm for something I can just buy?).

But Im trying to make the point that new content lately has only lasted, what, a month? Because people don't find "value" in doing it. And im sorry to break it to many of you, that means stuff isnt worth gold.

Amulet < 10m (lowest currently 3m)
Clockwork Legs < 10m (lowest currently 1m for garg, 8m for Human)
Dupre's Sword < 10m (lowest currently 1m for garg, 5m for human)
Bracers ~ 20m and dropping (lowest 4.8m for garg, 25m Human)
Asclepius < 1m (lowest 100k garg + human)
+5 stat ~ 20m

Compare the bosses in game which can drop an item of value VS the ones that dont. Which ones get done more? Which ones do you actually SEE people still doing?

The +5 stats should be the ones on the lower end of the price spectrum, and seem about right where they are. But the other drops are just pathetic and will just get worse.

Cry More!!

Is nothing not good enough for you? Does the value of the item really matter?! It'll drop no matter what! Who cares. Its not all about making gold you know. What, are you one of the people who has a house just for your gold? Guess wat - That gold is WORTHLESS. Theres nothing worth spending 1 billion gold on, less your a moron. Why don't you go play WoW and do some raids.

 

[Rumpy]

Also to the OP -
Why are you complaining?!?! You already said your not going to do it, and if your gonna buy, why do you care if it loses value. This thread is pointless.

 

[Sauteed Onion]

Cry More!!

Is nothing not good enough for you? Does the value of the item really matter?! It'll drop no matter what! Who cares. Its not all about making gold you know. What, are you one of the people who has a house just for your gold? Guess wat - That gold is WORTHLESS. Theres nothing worth spending 1 billion gold on, less your a moron. Why don't you go play WoW and do some raids.

I am not 100% sure the op's reasoning for posting, but he is quite the rare collector, with an extremely in depth and awesome collection of interesting UO stuff. I believe the issue they are expressing contempt for is that the rarity of the items to come from this new encounter is in question maybe. There is no "worth" in the items that come from this encounter worth collecting for exhibition perhaps. This is for several reasons the things that drop are not terribly useful or pretty (imo and in the opinion of the op), they drop frequently (I do not have a problem with this, I've hunted medusa for a slither numerous times.. on various characters and 2 different accounts.. never got one), and whatever other reasoning there is yet to be fully explained.

I don't perceive this as crying, but rather vocal frustration that the way UO is apparently going is making being a "rare collector" a difficult thing to continue doing or being worthwhile for those that are interested in doing it. Personally I feel that this makes the rares that are already collected more rare and endears them to UO historians even moreso.


And love the sig btw.

 

[Good Grief]

The wait to get in sucks.....

 

[claudia-fjp]

The blame belongs to ML which brought in JoAT

OK I'll bite, what on earth does Jack of all Trades racial from ML have to do with not being able to meditate in platemail legs?

Or is this just a pancake on a bunny head moment?

 

[Eärendil]

Promanthia: Disagree on EVERY point.
Petra: Agree on your point, have the amulet for you - but wrong shard, I guess...

Again: Too much complaining and whining and criticizing, if you ask me... And I wonder why are there sooo many people knowing everything better? I like the bracers and I dont accept all the negativity. The bracers are worthless to you, but not to me. To me the scroll is worthless, you might get it in your backpack everytime you log in, if you wish. I have no need for it. Can do all places I go fighting with 255 stats... You can then take the 1.000.000 +5 scrolls you got and use them as toilet paper when frequenting your golden throne, made out of massive gold...

Why does the playing experience of the "common" non-billionaire, non-rare-hunter player count nothing? Some of you folks are so damn apodictic and negative that one could think our positive perceptions of what has been done in the last months are completely insane...

 

[Eärendil]

...just had a look in the Handbook of Social Psychology. If you think the things are the way you see them and that everybody else see them the way you do it, you are victim of a social perception bias called "looking glass perspective".

Example: "The items ARE worthless. NOBODY will pay gold for them. Soon NOBODY will go to Exodus as NOBODY goes to the other revamp dungeons"

Problem: YOU think things are this way. Your judgement might be quite realistic - but you cannot speak for all of us, nor for the majority. You can only speak for yourself. So: The amulet is worthless to you, but not to Petra (for example)...

 

[Speaking the Truth]

OK I'll bite, what on earth does Jack of all Trades racial from ML have to do with not being able to meditate in platemail legs?

Or is this just a pancake on a bunny head moment?

because if you're a human you get 20 focus and 20 med which makes a difference to gain that Mana Regen passively. So humans no matter what template want armor that is mediable.

 

[G.v.P]

Slasher of Veils:
Unique Loot -
1. Lavaliere - Value ~ 60m

Forgot about that one.

 

[DJAd]

*I DONT do this stuff (Im too rich, why farm for something I can just buy?).

Wait a moment, so you don't do this stuff but make a thread to complain about how frequent the drops are?

Surely that's a good thing if your just going to buy the items right? It means more on the market to buy, thus a lower price.

 

[Petra Fyde]

Again, I think, this is a problem of seeing everything by price. The devs don't (and nor do I). These are put in at a level where they will be reasonably easy to obtain. The drop rate is fine for someone who wants to get scrolls to supply his/her characters.
I guess it's not fine for anyone who's main aim is to make a fortune selling them to other players.
Contrary to popular belief not everyone has a billion gp. Over all my characters I have possibly 30 million at present. They're not put in so that a few elite players can corner the market and make a fortune out of selling them.

 

[Eärendil]

Again, I think, this is a problem of seeing everything by price. The devs don't (and nor do I). These are put in at a level where they will be reasonably easy to obtain. The drop rate is fine for someone who wants to get scrolls to supply his/her characters.
I guess it's not fine for anyone who's main aim is to make a fortune selling them to other players.
Contrary to popular belief not everyone has a billion gp. Over all my characters I have possibly 30 million at present. They're not put in so that a few elite players can corner the market and make a fortune out of selling them.​

Fight Luna-Capitalism!

 

[Lord Frodo]

I can run 12 to 15 Exodus per day if I want

If this could be done then Izumo would have been so flooded with these items that they would be worthless. They had the Pub 9 full days and IMHO have a better understanding of team work then a lot of the US Shards. Also care to tell us how you have managed to solo Exodus to begin with.

 

[Quickblade]

If this could be done then Izumo would have been so flooded with these items that they would be worthless. They had the Pub 9 full days and IMHO have a better understanding of team work then a lot of the US Shards. Also care to tell us how you have managed to solo Exodus to begin with.

With a bard with peacemaking masteries and a sampire tanking exodus. Bard has archery and spellweaving with alot of lower attack/def on his bow/mace n shield. My Sampire has Mana leech max, lower attack, stam leech damage increase and well I have life leech but tis useless on Exodus so I would suggest Hit lighting or something for more Dps. Also I honored Exodus, with enemy of one and consecrate and lighting strike. My bard finish Exodus when its near death with Word of Death thats about it , of course I use 2 account but I can solo it takes about 1 hour if I dont die. If there was a second bard with provocation masteries it would take me around 30 minutes...

 

[Picus at the office]

With a bard with peacemaking masteries and a sampire tanking exodus. Bard has archery and spellweaving with alot of lower attack/def on his bow/mace n shield. My Sampire has Mana leech max, lower attack, stam leech damage increase and well I have life leech but tis useless on Exodus so I would suggest Hit lighting or something for more Dps. Also I honored Exodus, with enemy of one and consecrate and lighting strike. My bard finish Exodus when its near death with Word of Death thats about it , of course I use 2 account but I can solo it takes about 1 hour if I dont die. If there was a second bard with provocation masteries it would take me around 30 minutes...

Pretty epic, nicely played.

 

[Lord Frodo]

With a bard with peacemaking masteries and a sampire tanking exodus. Bard has archery and spellweaving with alot of lower attack/def on his bow/mace n shield. My Sampire has Mana leech max, lower attack, stam leech damage increase and well I have life leech but tis useless on Exodus so I would suggest Hit lighting or something for more Dps. Also I honored Exodus, with enemy of one and consecrate and lighting strike. My bard finish Exodus when its near death with Word of Death thats about it , of course I use 2 account but I can solo it takes about 1 hour if I dont die. If there was a second bard with provocation masteries it would take me around 30 minutes...

This is not soloing it to begin with and after reading all the posts I IMHO don't think you could solo it and don't think it was done with just these 2 chars. Izumo would already be doing this and flooding the market even more.

 

[Lord Frodo]

With a bard with peacemaking masteries and a sampire tanking exodus. Bard has archery and spellweaving with alot of lower attack/def on his bow/mace n shield. My Sampire has Mana leech max, lower attack, stam leech damage increase and well I have life leech but tis useless on Exodus so I would suggest Hit lighting or something for more Dps. Also I honored Exodus, with enemy of one and consecrate and lighting strike. My bard finish Exodus when its near death with Word of Death thats about it , of course I use 2 account but I can solo it takes about 1 hour if I dont die. If there was a second bard with provocation masteries it would take me around 30 minutes...

Yea I can confirm hes doable with only 3 poeple ( bard priority tho ) then you just sit there , easier than slasher in my opinion .... poeple will stop doing Exodus once they gathered their pixels , and scroll will sell out for 5m soon , then its gonna be useless area to go pretty soon

 

[Quickblade]

This is not soloing it to begin with and after reading all the posts I IMHO don't think you could solo it and don't think it was done with just these 2 chars. Izumo would already be doing this and flooding the market even more.

My sampire wear the darkwood set just to tell you that my suit isnt an ubber one at all. Im sure one can solo but he would need a paroxysmus swampy and do feint attacks mixed with lighting strike or armor ignore.

 

[popps]

I know easier to get items makes people all warm and fuzzy inside, but if the drop rates remain the same, this will just be content noone is doing a month from now.

Lets also not mention every drop but the +5 stat is worthless

So the early birds get all the goodies, multiples of them, and the players who come later will have to sweat and struggle or spend lots to buy the items from those early birds who got them with the spawn as new ?

No thanks.......

I said it several times, to my opinion adjustments should ONLY be from hard to easier NEVER from easier to hard because not all players jump on a new spawn right away.

Besides, the +5 stats will be in high demand anyways if all players want to outfit all their 7 characters on a given shard so, the more they drop the better considering that many will be needed anyways.

 

[Promathia]

When did this ever become about ME? This has nothing to do with me, or rares collecting, or anything else. I feel like half of you dont even bother reading the posts.

Sorry for anyone who doesn't think the gold price on stuff matters. Unfortunately it does, and thats true with every MMO out there. It may not always be "Gold", but players as a whole want to be working towards something meaningful to themselves. For ALOT of the playerbase, it is indeed a monetary value.

My point isn't about the gold worth. Gold worth correlates to the usability of the items. If the item is in high demand, that means the price will be more stable, and more in line with the other bosses. The point is with all the new content lately, there AREN'T items in high demand.

I LOVE them doing new content, but the new content is dying after only a month. THIS IS MY POINT

Im sorry some of you dont realize that. If alot of the playerbase has nothing to gain by doing something, they wont do it. The only thing a majority of the playerbase wants, is the +5 stat (Which should have been free). The other drops appeal to such a SMALL minority of the players that there is almost ZERO demand for them. I only use gold values to help show it better, but its all about the demand of the items.

 

[Petra Fyde]

Why should the +5 be free? The very few that got it as a drop from the original event worked, and died for it. It was not a 'free gift from a clicky'

I think you are mistaken in the value of the scroll - how many years have stat scrolls been in? and yet they are still in demand and sell regularly.
I also think just about every person who has an alchemist will want to get the amulet for their character - and who's to say more items won't be added in later publishes?

A lower drop rate will discourage many people from trying

 

[Promathia]

Why should the +5 be free? The very few that got it as a drop from the original event worked, and died for it. It was not a 'free gift from a clicky'

I think you are mistaken in the value of the scroll - how many years have stat scrolls been in? and yet they are still in demand and sell regularly.
I also think just about every person who has an alchemist will want to get the amulet for their character - and who's to say more items won't be added in later publishes?

A lower drop rate will discourage many people from trying

First off, the +5 stat as an event reward should have NEVER been put into the game. The Event program was sworn to never put in OP items again (like LT Sash, Glads collar, ect). Events shouldnt hand out an item that helps one player become better than the next. And people died for it? The first night before it got hotfixed, all you had to do was make a ton of new chars and magic arrow the damn thing ONCE.

Stat scrolls is an ENTIRELY different beast. First off, a Harrower is popped 70% of the time for the fight. Secondly, you get a total of THIRTY TWO scrolls. Not only that, but its done in Fel, and includes a MUCH greater risk. Even then, 25 stats aren't guaranteed to drop in high amounts among those 32, and still only sell for about 3-5m each. There are many other things that factor in, that im not going to even bother.

You cannot compare Exodus and a Harrower.

A lower droprate will NOT discourage people from trying. I still see LOTS of Medusa groups, or peerless ones. Lots of people used to do Doom.

VS

The places with these new absurdly easy droprates.... Cove - Empty Despise - Empty


In a month Petra, watch Exodus be barren, and people posting and complaining that they cant do it because noone is ever there.

 

[Quickblade]

I didnt know the event program sworn to never put OP items again, I have missed that Call to Arms Event for Exodus this last summer, but when I came back to play in august I was like damn, they handed out OP items like that and I cant get one myself anymore besides buying it for 75m. I was kinda pissed they did gave thoses scrolls in an event. The exodus was just a reason to implement that +5 scrolls and it all started because of that Call to Arms event where they handed them...

 

[popps]

When did this ever become about ME? This has nothing to do with me, or rares collecting, or anything else. I feel like half of you dont even bother reading the posts.

Sorry for anyone who doesn't think the gold price on stuff matters. Unfortunately it does, and thats true with every MMO out there. It may not always be "Gold", but players as a whole want to be working towards something meaningful to themselves. For ALOT of the playerbase, it is indeed a monetary value.

My point isn't about the gold worth. Gold worth correlates to the usability of the items. If the item is in high demand, that means the price will be more stable, and more in line with the other bosses. The point is with all the new content lately, there AREN'T items in high demand.

I LOVE them doing new content, but the new content is dying after only a month. THIS IS MY POINT

Im sorry some of you dont realize that. If alot of the playerbase has nothing to gain by doing something, they wont do it. The only thing a majority of the playerbase wants, is the +5 stat (Which should have been free). The other drops appeal to such a SMALL minority of the players that there is almost ZERO demand for them. I only use gold values to help show it better, but its all about the demand of the items.

I do not think it may matter, at least as I see it. My point is FAIRNESS.

And having a spawn start as new with easy drops to advantage the early birds and THEN make it much harder to have players coming later on struggle and have to sweat for those same items (or have to buy them for lods of gold from those early birds.....) it AIN'T FAIR, IMHO.
As I said, all new content should start with HARD drops and then fine tuned to make it easier, NEVER EVER should it be the other way around starting easy and be changed to harder.

When it is made more frequent drops from start, well, as I see it it then HAS TO STAY AS IT STARTED AND NOT CHANGED.

I do not care if items' value gets hurt, players are MORE IMPORTANT than items' value, IMHO.

 

[Picus at the office]

This is a silly post and I am finding it hard to troll. That said, who cares? At best a person will need to do this 7 times per account and after that it's a waste of time. It should drop all the time or no one is going to want to do it if we are back to a 3% drop rate. I enjoy working other boss creatures for a item that I might use but the scroll is the only thing worth getting.

Placeing a gold value on the drop killed this thread in it's tracks and only makes people think one is only playing the game for the gold...waste of effort IMO.

 

[Vor]

+5 stats isn't HUGE. It's handy, but it's not the be all and end all.

On my mages/tamers all I can put it into is dex.. which... I don't need. On my Mystic Dexxer and Sampire though, they'll be very handy.

 

[Warpig Inc]

The scroll is not intended to be for collecting. It is an "oops we stepped on our winky" for an event drop, and now it needs to be chance drop for all. Thinking they needed to stick to some story base for earning the scroll was the mistake. The scroll should of been an off chance drop for breathing life in their older work. Every champ - peerless - boss - doom loop - BOD (high end) - fishmonger - lvl6 & 7 Tmaps - random stealing container, should of had a chance at the cap stat scroll. Exodus being a machine could of been used to recycle other event items as replicas and had a deco items rotation.

Thinking they will ever change a drop list like oh say DOOM or Ilsh Marty is nothing I'd hold my breath for. A no brainer for reexciting all the old stuff would be a shuffling out old and bringing in new or replicas. If they perma axed the Artic Deathdealer, how many playersd out there held onto one to be the next hoarder trophey?

The cap scroll is useable (not needed) for every template. Should of been a way for all to earn their own.

Exodus's own gear & deco drops on a rotation so for 3-4 months. Like a short time chance drop of a dragon skull umbrella stand. Clean shield with 15 Parry.

 

[Sauteed Onion]

*sigh* Everyone misses the point.

I DONT do this stuff (Im too rich, why farm for something I can just buy?).

But Im trying to make the point that new content lately has only lasted, what, a month? Because people don't find "value" in doing it. And im sorry to break it to many of you, that means stuff isnt worth gold.

I'd say this is where I began to feel you were making this about you sir, and there's nothing wrong with that in particular. I don't do this new stuff because I find the game to be a mind numbing bore to deal with, (possibly just getting tired of mmorpg's I've been playing the damn things for over a decade; there aren't many games I can play for a decade even with mods on them I burnt out of Oblivion in around a year and only replay bits and pieces here and there as an example) and the community in this particular mmo has dwindled pretty low and the overall quality of things you see in gen chat has degenerated into little more than LOLWOSLKSDFJWIO quit game you fail LOWLAOQLEL!! UMADBRU!!?? So the community aspect for sticking around this game almost completely shot for me. The content as you said has little value to me personally and comes off as a poorly implemented Diablo rip (and I don't think I need to mention the quality of D3 did not exactly meet expectations in most people's mind and I got tired of Diablo 1 and 2 years ago). If I wanted Diablo I'd play Diablo. I don't play Diablo. There is virtually no worthwhile support; bugs and and glitches (this ties to me personally pretty deeply; particularly the original Exodus encounter I believe I crashed to desktop more times than I'd crashed to desktop in the previous year in that one event) and I got a slew of ICQ's saved to hard drive about ctd'ing so many times they couldn't believe they were awake and seeing this in a game that was on the market today. Then finally; I don't find value in the stuff provided by this new content. I've still got my original +5 stat scroll I never used it, never going to use it and probably never going to sell it or trade either.

I'm not particularly jumping at the opportunity to log in and play the game either; I spend more time lurking here on stratics than I do in game these days when something seems interesting from the dev team I hope in the game and collect it or do it once then see the more glaring issues I see as a player are left untouched or ignored.. (and if it isn't ignored it's acknowledged and not dealt with on a level that surpasses just ignoring it), and I catch the Q&A's for a good chuckle here and there. Pardon my criticisms and Happy Thanksgiving to all.

 

[KLOMP]

What does AOS have to do with anything? Metal Armor effected meditation long before that.

Before AOS, metal armor provided the most protection, but this protection was counterbalanced by the blocking of meditation. After AOS, metal armor still blocked meditation, but no longer provided any greater protection than leather and thus became worthless. This is not the sort of thing which should require explanation.

 

[claudia-fjp]

Before AOS, metal armor provided the most protection, but this protection was counterbalanced by the blocking of meditation. After AOS, metal armor still blocked meditation, but no longer provided any greater protection than leather and thus became worthless. This is not the sort of thing which should require explanation.

It required explanation because the original guy was talking about it not being medable armor, you talked about it not being medable armor, I was talking about it not being medable armor. Had I known your "awesome protection" comment was sarcasm or you had come out and said your issue was with it no longer offering more protection instead of just mentioning medability I'd have understood. Otherwise your post looked to me like you thought the medable change was due to AoS.

Promathia said: ↑

just do something deco wise instead of cluttering the drops with useless artifacts that noone will use because A. The weapon has bad specials B. The armor isnt medable or C. It has properties noone wants to/or currently uses​

Game design wise, I don't know why armor even blocks meditation at all. The idea that it's preventing someone from combining magery with the awesome protection of plate armor is laughable and has been since AOS came out 10 years ago or whatever.​