Actually it's pretty easy. There are tons of patterns for concurrency control.
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Don't take my gold!!
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Oh the core theories are simple - quite how they can be applied to the UO environment though, and the existing hardware/software, I'm not certain is simple.
So - Who's willing to blow the whistle and tell them how it's done?
Make a throw-away hotmail email account and send Mesanna the details - or pass it through me, as UO Community Liaison if you like. If you do that, I'll promise to pass it on without your name if you want.
Let's tell them how it's done and get it stopped! Someone out there knows, enough people have bragged that they know. Prove it.
How do you send a private message( mail) to people here?
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I know its been posted many times, but since you asked for whistle blowing. Please post Mesanna email addy. Thank you
On these boards private messages are called 'conversations' So click on the person's avatar, which calls up their profile card, then click the link 'start a conversation'.
Mesanna's email is [email protected]
Mesanna's email is [email protected]
I'm ok with going to having all my gold on my account available to all my characters that's fine... wondering if that would be on any shard or per shard???
I'm ok with it as she said that piles of gold would still always been in-game for deco and such... My thought is so long as it's not in your bank it ought to be in pile form..... doing away with checks and helping to end duping of them is AOK in my book.
I'm ok with it as she said that piles of gold would still always been in-game for deco and such... My thought is so long as it's not in your bank it ought to be in pile form..... doing away with checks and helping to end duping of them is AOK in my book.
I was also wondering about this, If it weren't tied to shard-specific... How would a Character-Transfer be affected by this?
I think one of my main concerns is the selling of houses in UO if there is no more checks how will this be done?
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Owner of home sets price via house context menu, then targets buyer of home and transaction takes place when both parties accept.
Really not that complicated.
Looking forward to this if it ever gets added and of course is implemented correctly.
I might be a party of one here but I am not happy about the proposal to change the way gold works so that it's just a number on your paperdoll. One of the beauties that I have always loved about UO (and the single player Ultima games) is that gold has value and I had to put it in the bank for safe keeping. There are no games that make you do that and I LOVED IT.
I realize that it's become a problem when people have to pay someone for a house (I recently had to get 40 1-mil checks to pay for a house). But it would be WAY less life-like to just have a number on my screen and be able to access it in the middle of absolute no where. There must be another way to deal with all the many-check issues instead of doing away with what the bank was intended to be used for.
Suggestion: Remove the value limit on the checks. Let me write one for whatever I want (1,250,000 as an example).
I realize that it's become a problem when people have to pay someone for a house (I recently had to get 40 1-mil checks to pay for a house). But it would be WAY less life-like to just have a number on my screen and be able to access it in the middle of absolute no where. There must be another way to deal with all the many-check issues instead of doing away with what the bank was intended to be used for.
Suggestion: Remove the value limit on the checks. Let me write one for whatever I want (1,250,000 as an example).
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I thought they were going to leave piles of gold for loot and when we want it for decor, but take the checks and convert them somehow.
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From what I remember hearing they are taking the gold balance and making it an "account balance" instead of a player balance. Yes, they are talking about leaving gold in, and possibly checks for deco reasons. I am torn on the idea honestly. I do hate having to log off, and log on the char that placed a vendor which is holding the gold to purchase something... but I do still like seeing my bank box full of checks when I do that, and not just seeing numbers get larger and smaller somewhere on my screen. *shrugs*
This. This would almost eliminate a large majority of scams involving third party brokers because we can only put items on a vendor for up to 175 million. I've always wanted a castle but don't want to have to rely on a third party to make it happen...should be able to do it through the in game mechanics.
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How so? I must have missed something then.... As far as I know the vendors would all still have the current cap on how much items can be placed on them to be sold at.
I don't think anything is set in stone yet.
Rhiannon, checks are the main problem. Dishonest people find ways to duplicate them, which totally screws up the economy.
There will still be coins in game for using as decor.
Maybe gold will still spawn on monsters and be converted to a figure when you bank it - a bit like shame crystals and despise hearts convert when you double click them? So if you want them for decor, you don't bank them?
Rhiannon, checks are the main problem. Dishonest people find ways to duplicate them, which totally screws up the economy.
There will still be coins in game for using as decor.
Maybe gold will still spawn on monsters and be converted to a figure when you bank it - a bit like shame crystals and despise hearts convert when you double click them? So if you want them for decor, you don't bank them?
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Dishonest folks will still find a way to be dishonest tho, no matter what form things are in. I guess it's about like virus/anti-virus, always a race and the dishonest ones are usually two to three steps ahead. If that is the reason behind them wanting to change the gold system I would rather them spend the Development time researching, catching and banning the dishonest folks, their credit card numbers and ip addresses. lol
Buying items from straight from players, not vendors. Such as purchasing a castle as The Predator mentioned.
Why not simply allow us to have gold drop from monsters/spawns/chests/ wherever else it may drop/spawn at, and once it enters the bank it goes to your account? That will remove checks but still allow gold, and say you want a pile of gold, why not go to bank person and BUY gold - 1 for 1.. so a 60k stack gold will cost you 60k gold from your account? That will make players happy with decoration purposes, and remove the need for checks. Thought?
I like that -- just because if gold is automatically transferred after a kill, people will just farm creatures all day long without a need to bank the gold. Think we are worried about scripters now....wait until you have sampires sitting a spawn 24/7 just killing creatures.....
I was thinking of something similar, but with a pile of gold at your bank box that simply accounts all the gold your account has.They should have "money chests" in your bank that can't be removed that you can put your gold into and when you click on it, it tells you how much gold is in it
Any expenditure would be subtracted from that pile.
Yes, that's what she said. No matter which of your characters you login to, there will be a bank balance on your paperdoll and you can pay for anything with it, with no checks.
* There are still ways around that: make your bank accessable to all your characters on the shard. If they can make the gold balance accessible to all characters, why not the bank box.
My opinion -- wiping gold out of the game and turning it into an account balance has more pros on it's side then cons.....
Other than keeping it for "decorative purposes" --- what is the continued value of having gold in the system when it makes it exceedingly difficult to do high end trades, concerns around duping, etc.?
Other than keeping it for "decorative purposes" --- what is the continued value of having gold in the system when it makes it exceedingly difficult to do high end trades, concerns around duping, etc.?
That is also what I believe is the most reasonable solution so far. There is actually another post (on page 2) on this topic which might be a good read if you missed it.
Don't take my gold!! | Page 2 | Stratics: A Career Path in Gaming
It will likely cover many of the same concerns people have posted/will post. In all honesty if the intent of this change is to more hastily prevent people exploiting the system, then I'm all for it as long as it is done correctly. There are certainly details that would need to be figured out (example: account based gold on different servers, etc...), but it sounds like a reasonable change.
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Like I said: I don't mind doing away with checks. I understand the problems they have caused. But I don't want gold around for decoration (but do understand that lots of people have used gold piles in their home decorations). What I'm specifically speaking about is that I like it that gold has weight and I Have to go to the bank to deposit it. Of all the games I have played, only the Ultimas, UO and Daggerfall made you actually go to the bank and deposit gold you have collected. It made it feel like gold had actual value, if that makes it any sense. It's not just decoration or a number on my paperdoll.
Most of us actually work hard for our gold. That should mean something besides a number I occasionally check on my paperdoll.
Like I said: maybe I'm a party of one but I for one will be saddened if that's the way they go and that sure seems how Mesanna said it would. She said she could be swayed by what she reads here so I thought I would at least let my voice be heard.
I like the idea. That way my girls don't have to log off, go to the bank get a check, leave it as the house, log off,log on just to transfer money between alts. It also would let me know just how much I have between all of them. The downside as I rp, I won't be able to see which of the girls is making money and who is wasting it. A trade off for convenience.
I still think it should be character specific and you should still use gold normally up to as much as you can carry - they should just get rid of checks and put the loose gold into a gold chest in the bank - it's an easy change (less work = )
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Which is exactly why I'm guessing something like I've outlined will be done. Shame Crystals have a graphic which you collect in the dungeon, but when you use them they become a number. I think gold will be dealt with in a similar manner.
You are not alone Rhiannon, I feel the same way. We are losing something unique to Britannia for the sake of convenience (or even worse because of cheaters). I am not very good at putting my feelings into words about this type of thing. To me is just kills more of what is left of the "atmosphere" of Britannia that some of us are trying to preserve. Hard to explain I guess *frowns*
And I am not too fond of eating dungeon crystals and hearts either! ICK!! *shudders*
And I am not too fond of eating dungeon crystals and hearts either! ICK!! *shudders*
what if we kept ONE stack of gold in each character's bank and it could be for an infinite amount instead of just 60k. the average character isn't going to be able to hold more than 60k and i doubt a duper wants to spend all that time duping 60k stacks of gold.
i'm going to play devil's advocate. assume checks are removed. how do i buy my new castle? the trade window pops up, what do i put in the trade window to complete the deal?
i think the gold might have to be tied to the character & not the account. how am i going to carry gold with me when i transfer from sonoma to atlantic for a shopping spree?
how do i swap gold from one of my accounts to another? maybe a gold transfer window? maybe a new command to transfer gold from character to character?
please, please let me keep my white checks. you can get rid of the ugly yellow ones.
i'm going to play devil's advocate. assume checks are removed. how do i buy my new castle? the trade window pops up, what do i put in the trade window to complete the deal?
i think the gold might have to be tied to the character & not the account. how am i going to carry gold with me when i transfer from sonoma to atlantic for a shopping spree?
how do i swap gold from one of my accounts to another? maybe a gold transfer window? maybe a new command to transfer gold from character to character?
please, please let me keep my white checks. you can get rid of the ugly yellow ones.
I am sorry you are disappointed Miri, but I would just like to remind you nothing is set in stone yet. There have also been many good suggestions put forth that would still leave gold functioning the same way, only doing away with checks. Obviously we need more details, but it rarely hurts to have a discussion on possible changes.
I started another thread on this as I didn't see this one. I guess I'm a party of two here as I also don't want them to take away how gold works in UO. If they change it to a number on your paperdoll, then gold loses it's value in the game. As it is now, you collect gold from various sources, it weighs something, you must put it in the bank. The problem is that so many people are so wealthy, and items costs so much (i.e. houses), it's difficult to safely pay for things. Plus, some jerks (maybe children of the jerks that were around 15 years ago who's soul purpose in UO was to cheat) have figured out how to dup bank checks.
Obviously this needs to be addressed, but I for one (ok, maybe I for two), wish they could find another way to deal with this. Change the coding on the checks. Create an entirely different check system where you can write checks for any amount as long as you have the funds in the bank to cover it. Please please please look at other options.
Obviously this needs to be addressed, but I for one (ok, maybe I for two), wish they could find another way to deal with this. Change the coding on the checks. Create an entirely different check system where you can write checks for any amount as long as you have the funds in the bank to cover it. Please please please look at other options.
Aye I know that and I am hopeful that there will be many more discussions before something is set in stone. For now, I just wanted Rhiannon to know she is not alone *smiles*
I am fine with staying in your thread Rhiannon..this one could be locked I guess
I love the idea of an account balance. Just sounds so wonderfully less troubling than the log one in log one out routine of getting money where you need it. This and the vendor search sound like the first steps toward taking the game economy back to the players instead of the "you know who" prices.
I especially like the thought above about it converting like hearts or crystals.
I especially like the thought above about it converting like hearts or crystals.
I do agree with this one. White checks though technically checks are rares now because they no longer can be made. Therefore, if the yellow checks are to disappear this should NOT happen also for white checks which should be entitled to remain as rares just as they are now.
I hope Mesanna is reading this thread and agrees with not destroying this rare. Several players have spend large gold amounts to buy white checks rares and it would not be fair to them, I think, if their precious rare items were to be destroyed overnight.
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This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. The value is the exact same whether it's in a pile on the floor, in check form or a number attached to your account.
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I love this idea and cannot wait for it to be added. This truely would be an awesome and long overdue addition to the game. Anyone who has played other games that do it this way knows exactly how this will work and it's wonderful.
Other than for deco or sedimental reasons, I don't see why anyone would be opposed to this, well except for all the cheaters who will no longer be able to dupe millions of gold in check form.
Other than for deco or sedimental reasons, I don't see why anyone would be opposed to this, well except for all the cheaters who will no longer be able to dupe millions of gold in check form.
Yes it's a great idea will save tons of time instead of moving 100's of checks, secure high end trades (no scamming). a good move in
the right direction for this game
I'm not making myself clear. Of course the actual gold value is still there. But gold in UO has always been a valuable PIXEL, if that makes sense. You collected it, it has weight, you value it enough to go put it in the bank. It's unique to UO in all MMOs that I'm aware of, and very few single player games. I like that. I loved it in Daggerfall. And every game I've played SINCE Daggerfall, I look for the bank and see if I get to have that added feature to play. It's real. It's tangible. I think having a number on my paperdoll just makes it less tangible. Call me old school.
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My personal opinion of what should be done:
1. Only gold that spawns with no character loot assignment still spawns (the gold from a champ's death, for example). Similarly, if two monsters fight without a character's direct intervention, gold will spawn on the corpse (provo has the gold go to the Bard, as Taming does for the Tamer).
2. Gold can still be withdrawn as coinage from the bank, up to 60k
3. Gold balance is for the account on that shard. The Balance can be checked by a "-balance" command that is only visible to the person making the request.
4. Vendors have their price cap removed. NPCs get fixed to where all will allow payment directly from the account.
5. All checks over the minimum normal check amount get converted to bank balance. Those under are left as rares. Add a process that turns checks into "cancelled checks", static items no longer exchangeable for gold, for rare white checks, and checks over 1000 that people want to use as deco. Care, though, would have to be made to make sure the checks don't change color when converted.
6. Houses, in their transfer gump, get the option to specify a price during a transfer, that gets moved from one account to the other on a successful transfer.
7. Money & checks cannot be shard transferred on characters. However, a system would be put into place to allow shard-to-shard transmission of gold on the same account, but with a wait time and percentage fee charged.
8. Transfers between accounts either have to be done in a trade window. The window would have a space added to specify a gold amount. Alternatively (especially if we get an in-game mail system operational), one might be able to set up the shard-to-shard system in 7. to transfer from account to account on the same shard, provided you know the ID number of a character on the destination account (what is displayed in chat).
1. Only gold that spawns with no character loot assignment still spawns (the gold from a champ's death, for example). Similarly, if two monsters fight without a character's direct intervention, gold will spawn on the corpse (provo has the gold go to the Bard, as Taming does for the Tamer).
2. Gold can still be withdrawn as coinage from the bank, up to 60k
3. Gold balance is for the account on that shard. The Balance can be checked by a "-balance" command that is only visible to the person making the request.
4. Vendors have their price cap removed. NPCs get fixed to where all will allow payment directly from the account.
5. All checks over the minimum normal check amount get converted to bank balance. Those under are left as rares. Add a process that turns checks into "cancelled checks", static items no longer exchangeable for gold, for rare white checks, and checks over 1000 that people want to use as deco. Care, though, would have to be made to make sure the checks don't change color when converted.
6. Houses, in their transfer gump, get the option to specify a price during a transfer, that gets moved from one account to the other on a successful transfer.
7. Money & checks cannot be shard transferred on characters. However, a system would be put into place to allow shard-to-shard transmission of gold on the same account, but with a wait time and percentage fee charged.
8. Transfers between accounts either have to be done in a trade window. The window would have a space added to specify a gold amount. Alternatively (especially if we get an in-game mail system operational), one might be able to set up the shard-to-shard system in 7. to transfer from account to account on the same shard, provided you know the ID number of a character on the destination account (what is displayed in chat).
Most definitely THIS.
Why destroy a bit of the magic that makes UO so much more than an ordinary game? If I wanted to play an ordinary game I could play WoW or D3.
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I do understand. Giving away little pieces of what makes the world wonderful hurts. It is getting better and my little pond is getting more consideration than we have in years.
15 years... a lot of things have happened and changed.
I do not see UO going away anytime soon.
We will have to work with the Devs to make UO remain a factor in the gaming world.
I know of folks that have three generations playing.
Times change. Games change. The players change.
We love the past and history of this magnificent game.
We wonder what comes next.
I could go on... But I bet UO is older than the car you drive.
15 years... a lot of things have happened and changed.
I do not see UO going away anytime soon. We will have to work with the Devs to make UO remain a factor in the gaming world. I know of folks that have three generations playing. Times change. Games change. The players change.We love the past and history of this magnificent game. We wonder what comes next.I could go on... But I bet UO is older than the car you drive.
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1. all coin on monsters (loot) and champ spawns stays the same as it is now. It has to be collected as usual. You need gold coin to be able to be able to be stolen or looted by monsters/fel players.
2. once it is 'banked' it converts to an 'account balance' figure. (includes gold sent by BOS to bank)
3. any manual withdrawal from 1 - 60,000 is withdrawn in gold coin.
Checks are dispensed with.
However, there needs to be a way for players to 'deposit' their cheques before cheques are wiped from the game, as a lot of people currently have cheques sitting in chests at home as they do not have room in the bank for them. So a cross over period will need to be done (so cheques can be converted to a 'balance') unless the game can find player cheques where they currently are and convert them into the house holders bank account 'balance' as a one time thing or as soon as a person logs in (ie returning players unaware of the no check system), any cheques contained in a players backpack or beetle automatically convert to the players account 'balance'.
1. all coin on monsters (loot) and champ spawns stays the same as it is now. It has to be collected as usual. You need gold coin to be able to be able to be stolen or looted by monsters/fel players.
2. once it is 'banked' it converts to an 'account balance' figure. (includes gold sent by BOS to bank)
3. any manual withdrawal from 1 - 60,000 is withdrawn in gold coin.
Checks are dispensed with.
However, there needs to be a way for players to 'deposit' their cheques before cheques are wiped from the game, as a lot of people currently have cheques sitting in chests at home as they do not have room in the bank for them. So a cross over period will need to be done (so cheques can be converted to a 'balance') unless the game can find player cheques where they currently are and convert them into the house holders bank account 'balance' as a one time thing or as soon as a person logs in (ie returning players unaware of the no check system), any cheques contained in a players backpack or beetle automatically convert to the players account 'balance'.
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Actually not in my case. I'm still driving the car I bought in February of '97. Like me it's inclined to creak & groan when it moves but I'll drive it until it can't get from point A to point B without the help of a tow truck. It's been a good car.I could go on... But I bet UO is older than the car you drive.