Agreed. This has not been confirmed -- however -- it is still on the table for discussion. Please keep that in mind for this discussion.
Yeah they need to figure something out regarding reds. I'd personally prefer that reds can just enter Tram and show as blue until they return to Fel instead of wiping out my decade worth of murder counts.
It's a perfect way to get people to actually participate. Let Order be the normal part of it, and have the Chaos side join the part that fights the players. And well.. the rest can just watch.
I think you mean too many murderous characters
Very good point. This could destroy EM Events for all.
No it would be a perfect way for someone to destroy an EM Event for all. You know and expect this type of thing when events are in Fel but the player base should not have toput up with it in a Tram rule set. Sorry.
It's not like it's going to be forced on players that you choose a side. That would kill the events.
I'd like to join the opposite side even if I am forced to die. I'd still like the chance to kill players for fun in events. Sampiring the same junk gets old doesn't it?
If it is a PvP type of event then it is held in Fel otherwise keep it out of Tram rule set. Go grief something else because this is all it will turn into.
Easy solution is go to the event on a char that is not in the order chaos war. Problem Solved!
And this is why these ideas are discussed.
oh man, the grammar police is rough today....I think you mean too many murderous characters
It would not matter what type of char I showed up on because, and you know it will happen, others will show up on thier Order and Chaos chars to try to turn it into an Order/Chaos event and ruin it for all the others. Every time there is a EM event in Fel Factions show and turn it into a Faction kill event, fact. So how do think it would not happen in Tram if Chaos/Order were allowed in Tram. Looks through rose color glass "It will never happen" takes off glasses "OMG why are all these people fighting each other and ruining the event."
So basically what you're saying is, just watching people fight "ruins" events? Does it distract you too much? Does it make you nervous?
As long as the Chaos/Order Rules apply in both Fel and Tram (i.e. if I am NOT in Chaos or Order, I cannot be attacked in Fel...) then I would be fine with this.
OMG NO you will ruin Fel. LOL GREAT IDEA
Huh?
This blows my mind. Why not just make a new character. Why do you have to have a full pardon?
That would be fine if the individual in question had any interest in discussing. He's trolling, plain and simple. You can already have two warring guilds (or members of the same guild) fighting at an EM event in Trammel. Any spillover fighting from Order/Chaos players at an EM event could hardly be considered as detrimental to the event as the current setup where a hundred greater dragons obscure the screen and their controllers spam all kill / all follow me / all stay / etc.And this is why these ideas are discussed.
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Since they brought back Dupre, and since they are bringing back Lord Blackthorn, the fiction should almost write itself for Chaos/Order. Blackthorn = Chaos, Dupre = Order
It won't "Hurt" them. It is unfair to have rules one way and not another, IMO.
Just ask them to do the Primeval Lich with your Red, and take a Blue to Tram, like everyone else. Not a big challenge to overcome. Just like if I want to go Champ Spawning, I will bring a PvP character to that fight, and not so much a PvM Char...capiche?
It helps the people who have chars who like to kill other players against their will that have all their scrolls and armor rolled into a seven slot Red account, but other than that, it doesn't really "Help" anyone.
If Fel is so dead, as many of you claim, then why do you need to be nonattackable??? If there's no one there as you claim, then go there and do what you want. Do you still play on Pac Surguries? If so I know for certain you can go do all the champ spawns you want all day and night in T2A and you will never see a soul. As long as you avoid the dungeons and Yew gate you'll never see anyone.exspecially since Fel is so dead?
I am fairly certain I didn't say I wanted to be "Non-attackable" without concession; you forgot that the characters that have exceeded the number of allowable murders (by the very rules of the game, however outdated you or others may feel they are) would be able, reciprocally, to enter Tram as a Red, non-attackable unless Orange to an opponent under C/O, and able to do what they want otherwise. That is a fairly important part of the discussion at hand...it actually IS the discussion at hand...yet you neglected to mention it. One should not have one (ability to take a Red to Tram) without the other ( a Blue able to travel to Fel unmolested, unless Orange to an opponent).
I didn't say "No one goes there". Those are your words. I go there (to Fel on Pac I mean), so that couldn't be a true statement, no matter what. Putting words in my mouth doesn't aid the debate; it simply undermines your position, IMO.
I do still play Pac. I also play Fel on Pac, personally, to do mining and LJ. I don't care for non-con PvP, so I avoid the areas in Fel where that could occur, to enhance my game playing experience. Doesn't mean I think PvP or PKs are necessarily bad...I just don't care for it. I am sure you can understand that...hopefully. To tell me that the only way to REALLY enjoy UO is to PvP carries no more merit than me telling you that the way I play is the ONLY way to have fun...right? We are different people, with likely very different ideas of what constitutes "fun" for either one of us. Hence the "sandbox" concept that has worked fairly successfully for at least the last 15 years.
Wow. Fel IS "dead" from a population standpoint. Hopefully you can fully acknowledge this fact. Actually, you already did...up above...where you emphatically state that "You won't see a soul"...here...allow me to refresh your memory:
You remember that, right?
Fel IS dead, and I am unable to locate any verbiage in my posts that claim anything close to what you say here about my belief that Fel is full of evil PKs. In fact, I actually said this:
Nowhere in my post is there anything as you state.And really...before you go all off about how I must be butt-hurt over being killed etc., save your breath. If you want to have a Red in Tram with Chaos/Order, then I want my Blue in Fel, with my choice to join C/O being the determinant if you or anyone else can attack my blue on their red in Fel or Tram...If I ain't orange, then I ain't game....that's fair, right. How would that hurt the game, exspecially since Fel is so dead?
Go pop and work despise right now and you'll find out how wrong you are. I see more people on the same screen in Fel than I ever see in Tram.
This is all BS...
Obviously you have never done an EM event on GL's. It's totally filled with griefers as is. Last thing it needs is one more way for them to disrupt events because trust me they will.
Now you are contradicting yourself. Which is it? Will I "Not See a Soul"?, or is it "I see more people on the screen than I ever see in Tram"?
Now you are contradicting yourself. Which is it? Will I "Not See a Soul"?, or is it "I see more people on the screen than I ever see in Tram"?
It simply can't be both, as I have heard it said.
I never said I want to do Champ Spawns without being attacked...UNLESS you are allowed to bring your Red to Tram...THEN, and ONLY THEN would I desire a reciprocal arrangement. Otherwise, I will continue to sell my items acquired outside of Fel to people and just buy my scrolls, as I have for about 13 years now.
That is an easily understood point, yes?
Ah wait...given the recent inability on your part to grasp that "Reciprocal Thingy" it may not be as easy as the first blush may indicate.
Please go re-read all of my posts, Driven. Maybe twice. Then let's discuss, hmmmmm? I want nothing for free...but if Reds get to come to Tram, and are not freely attack-able to all players in Tram (which is precisely what the Reds would likely want, living in Fel all the time), then all Blues should be able to go to Fel with the same considerations.
Any other outcome would be a Red wanting something for nothing.
You aren't like that, are you, Driven?
