(Question) Siege Player run Vendors. (brain storm session)

[kelmo]

Tell us of your experiences, your head aches and wishes. Is it too expensive? Too much work to stock basics? What is happening out there?

What sells? What does not sell? What do you wish was for sell?

How do you prefer to see items presented?

Add any and all other thoughts on vending here. I would especially appreciate input from successful vendors. I know in a different time players became Sultans by vending the right items.

Keep it clean and above the belt. Any and all personal attacks will be dealt with. Any thoughts on the system, techniques and ideas for improvement are welcome.

 

[Luka Melehan]

what do people think about a basic supply vendor at th abyss house?

 

[Wolfman]

Tell us of your experiences, your head aches and wishes. Is it too expensive? Too much work to stock basics? What is happening out there?

What sells? What does not sell? What do you wish was for sell?

How do you prefer to see items presented?

Add any and all other thoughts on vending here. I would especially appreciate input from successful vendors. I know in a different time players became Sultans by vending the right items.

Keep it clean and above the belt. Any and all personal attacks will be dealt with. Any thoughts on the system, techniques and ideas for improvement are welcome.

Imbuing materials sell (essences and the other ones needed for max properties).

 

[Sprago]

kelmo here it is, everything sells, everything needs to be stocked, and we need more vendor houses in siege. HONESTLY ITS THIS SIMPLE IF YOU GOT IT STOCK IT SOMEONE WILL PURCHASE IT, people get to discouraged at a little bit of vendor costs. dont just pay it, if your vendor is successful you NEVER REALLY LOSE GOLD

Luka i personally dont think abyss is a good idea because most people supply up before going hunting. buts that just my opinion

 

[JasmineSP]

Vending is what brought me to this shard in the first place. I had been on GL, digging up treasure and running my shop when the unthinkable happened... people stopped losing their gear. Rather than give up the game entirely, I came to the only place without insurance and started a new life. It was a far different life, but better in almost every way. Maps were affordable, vending was great and it was nice to actually know the "customers". So much so, that often I'd pull an item from a chest and already know who was looking for a 1/3 ring with DCI, check the ICQ and deal it right then. I raked in enough gold to give it away, literally... by sponsoring player events like the duels.

I'm going to try to avoid being too critical of "buisiness" these days. I know full well that because I'm gone, for months at a time, my shop can't be what it was. But, that's just life and I accept that. I will say that most (over half) of the items I sold then aren't sellable now. Most of the ones I can sell move at a lower value than before.

For an example, at one point I sold casting rings and braces. 1/1's went for 1k, 1/2's @ 12k and 1/3's for like 31k. Now I only sell 1/3's at a flat 50k. Lower total amounts in terms of gold coming in, and about 1/10th of the inventory. I'd rather stock more choices, but because of the triple vendor fees time really is money. Anything below 1/3 takes too long to sell to justify the fees on a 12k item, and a 1/1 would sell at a loss for 1k. The point is that fees kill selection, not vendoring itself. In a perfect world I could put in the time to promote the shop and increase traffic and maybe decrese the time needed to sell a 1/2, making that viable. Less traffic and triple fees are just brutal... as in empty vendors.

The properties on current items are too high (and complicated) to encourage vending. Regs have been a staple at my shops since the start and their value has fallen a long way. Currently mage regs @7 and necro @5. The necro still don't sell. But, now you can have 100% LRC with just 4 pieces of armor. So, as a result I can't sell LRC armor either. Instead of the old build ye own system where players could make a suit with 13-15 LRC parts cheaply (100 per point... 100% LRC = for 10k though not always pretty) Now I only sell items between 20 and 25 LRC. You can still build your own set, but with 10 items instead of 100 to pick from and at higher prices.

As for complicated I found a brace with MR4 and nothing else on it, lucky me, but I have no idea what to do with it. What am I supposed to add to it for max value? What would it really be worth then? For now it sits in my house, because I don't want to ruin it, lol.

 

[chise2]

Vending is what brought me to this shard in the first place. I had been on GL, digging up treasure and running my shop when the unthinkable happened... people stopped losing their gear. Rather than give up the game entirely, I came to the only place without insurance and started a new life. It was a far different life, but better in almost every way. Maps were affordable, vending was great and it was nice to actually know the "customers". So much so, that often I'd pull an item from a chest and already know who was looking for a 1/3 ring with DCI, check the ICQ and deal it right then. I raked in enough gold to give it away, literally... by sponsoring player events like the duels.

I'm going to try to avoid being too critical of "buisiness" these days. I know full well that because I'm gone, for months at a time, my shop can't be what it was. But, that's just life and I accept that. I will say that most (over half) of the items I sold then aren't sellable now. Most of the ones I can sell move at a lower value than before.

For an example, at one point I sold casting rings and braces. 1/1's went for 1k, 1/2's @ 12k and 1/3's for like 31k. Now I only sell 1/3's at a flat 50k. Lower total amounts in terms of gold coming in, and about 1/10th of the inventory. I'd rather stock more choices, but because of the triple vendor fees time really is money. Anything below 1/3 takes too long to sell to justify the fees on a 12k item, and a 1/1 would sell at a loss for 1k. The point is that fees kill selection, not vendoring itself. In a perfect world I could put in the time to promote the shop and increase traffic and maybe decrese the time needed to sell a 1/2, making that viable. Less traffic and triple fees are just brutal... as in empty vendors.

The properties on current items are too high (and complicated) to encourage vending. Regs have been a staple at my shops since the start and their value has fallen a long way. Currently mage regs @7 and necro @5. The necro still don't sell. But, now you can have 100% LRC with just 4 pieces of armor. So, as a result I can't sell LRC armor either. Instead of the old build ye own system where players could make a suit with 13-15 LRC parts cheaply (100 per point... 100% LRC = for 10k though not always pretty) Now I only sell items between 20 and 25 LRC. You can still build your own set, but with 10 items instead of 100 to pick from and at higher prices.

As for complicated I found a brace with MR4 and nothing else on it, lucky me, but I have no idea what to do with it. What am I supposed to add to it for max value? What would it really be worth then? For now it sits in my house, because I don't want to ruin it, lol.

You may have some luck with the 1/2s again Jasmine. I know at least one person I know has mentioned that you really donlt see basic casting jewels on vendors anymore. Though I hear you on the vending fees. I think your issue too is your vendor is kinda out of the way so alot of people especially new folks probably have no idea where it is *By the way folks its on the crossroads connecting skara/yew/britain* Yeah regs are another thing I agree have definately increased in value. I still use em but I am probably one of the few that is not an alchemist that do. Now most just run in 100 lrc suits. I will say this though I did buy a couple mana orbs off you those sell VERY well. So keep those coming!!!

 

[Luka Melehan]

been looking for basic casting jewels as well

 

[Petra Fyde]

Price list?
Basic fc1 = ?
Basic fcr1 = ?
Fcr 2 = ?
Fcr 3 =?
Fc1, fcr1 =?
Fc1, fcr 2 = ?
fc1, fcr 3 = ?

 

[Rizarium]

Price list?
Basic fc1 = 0gp
Basic fcr1 = 0gp
Fcr 2 = 0gp
Fcr 3 =500gp
Fc1, fcr1 =500gp
Fc1, fcr 2 = Blank or with DCI 10,000gp?
fc1, fcr 3 = Blank or with DCI 25,000gp?

I agree with Sprago. Until any item is stocked and kept in stock, there is no real way to price anything. These prices are just an estimate of what my perception of fair would be today.

 

[Rumpy]

Price list?
Basic fc1 = 0gp
Basic fcr1 = 0gp
Fcr 2 = 0gp
Fcr 3 =500gp
Fc1, fcr1 =500gp
Fc1, fcr 2 = Blank or with DCI 10,000gp?
fc1, fcr 3 = Blank or with DCI 25,000gp?

I agree with Sprago. Until any item is stocked and kept in stock, there is no real way to price anything. These prices are just an estimate of what my perception of fair would be today.

Depending on the mods for the 1/1, 1/2, 1/3 I'd pay decent so I can have them imbued for my suits.

 

[Guardian KX]

I always tryed my best to add a few comments to every item I sold. What it was good for or some cute little joke or comment behind it. Sometime I'd sit there for a long while deciding what to say about it. My favorite time was people chatting it up about my labeling. Like my bolas being the best balls on the shard (for example).

 

[Montie1123]

I would think plan fc/fcr items would sell well. Even better if all they had on them were those mods. If they have caster mods on them or HCI/DCI or the like i would think they sell fast.

 

[JasmineSP]

All of this talk has had me thinking since yesterday. I've always had my vendor for +14 and +15 skill rings and braces even though it's never made any money... up front. It was born out of my own frustrations growing up here, I didn't have one on GL. With ROT and the daily caps @ 3.6, I was always a lil short of one skill or another. Too low to cast gate or res or too low to tame something. It was intended to help young players starting out here. How many came back? What did they buy later on?

I've always thought of it it terms of who returned to my lil shop, instead of how many lasted long enough to grow up here. Maybe we have a duty to the girl in the woods who tamed enough timber wolves to bring down an ettin for 130 gold to sell her what she needs. Profit, loss or even.

 

[Montie1123]

Ill have to run out to the cross roads where your vender is and take a look. Though you have to admit its in an out of the way place lol.

 

[QueenZen]

what do people think about a basic supply vendor at th abyss house?

Not like I have any right to post anything since EA shut down one of my accts. prematurely,
thus not playing atm any longer, just logging in the accts. that still ARE open.
There is np with any supply houses in the abyss area, cept for one thing...with any newest latest expansion houses/lands, not every one has nor will have every acct. upgraded to whatever the newest latest expansion is. There will be older players returning,
that perhaps do not have SA yet, or are only going to purchase it on one acct. not all of their accts. IF they are interested in SA lands etc.

Thus, they can not access the *latest land expansion* at all, on this or that acct. nor their only acct. till they do decide to stay and then upgrade to the latest upgrade, if interested in it like SA.

It oft pays off to have any supply vendor home, in the older 'new' expansions, that permits those older players returning whom are shut out of SA lands totally, [till they do upgrade to it], unlike New Mag. which any one CAN reach, even if not High Sea'd, cuz they are not shut out going to
it per say, only prevented from doing High Seas fishin and sailing to the new dock.

You want to be able to permit *accessablility* to any vendor or supply house one puts up, to everyone possible to be able to come there, including those returning that maybe are not upgraded to this or that latest expansion.

Just a thought anyhow.

 

[QueenZen]

I agree with Sprago, just about ANYTHING will sell, provided...ya keep it stocked, ya actually like doing it all and providing something folks do or will need or want TO buy. It does not matter what it may be, resources as simple as cloth bolts, ingots, boards, gems needed to make stuffs, or.............SIMPLE CARPENTRY ! I have so many one million gp checks on Miranda's and Hughes' accts. that they spilled over to the other 2 chrs. banks just to hold them all. And basically what did *Miranda* sell, simple gm carpentry items. But she had a love for doing that and we all know GM carpentry items is NOT some huge fast moving sellin buncha items, yet Mir made millions of gp doing ONLY that ! *extra with Hughes* selling gates pots and gm scribey chefing goods, and fish. If ya needed addons, she had em, and not just willy nilly on the vendor but in all directions, enmasse often, in various wood hues or at least in also Oak so folks could *dye* this or that one with plant dyes or whatevers...offering folks *COLORS* ! Every chair type, every table type, in assorted colors of wood types and styles, and storage chests, and more, like extra house gm crafted gm tinkered whatevers that folks may want in their game homes to match be it assorted candelabras in assorted ore types to SA large standing lanterns, oft matchin goza mats etc. you name it...'home depo' in UO ! Did it all sell out FAST heck no, but it was there always restocked whenever anyone needed it they knew where to get it, whether I had the vendor home in the snows of far off Wintermoor or just off the umbra bridge or wherever...as that saying goes BUILT IT [RESTOCK IT] love doing it and they will come and BUY !! And BE HONEST...no one wants to buy anything if too overly priced till they feel like ya are rippin em off, yeh even despite the market, some things just should be a tad bit more logical, not insanely priced even if they are worth zillions or millions, if the customer feels like it is a fair honest price even if high they will BUY if they need it, if ya over price, till customers feel like they may be being ripped off...good luck, paying ye vendors for just standing there, collecting dust, & not selling a thing. If ya do not enjoy doing it do not do it, if ya can not restock or provide *customer service* perhaps ya should not even try running a vendor, cuz when ya ARE there, if someone needs something you can provide and are willing to buy it from ya, if you can make it, ya need to BE there to make it for em, and they will return and shop you vendors again...and maybe again. DO not make it work nor a chore, do what you LOVE doing or making...and restock. You will not have a problem then keeping busy and banking earned gp off ya never going broke vendors...and if stuff does not move fast enough, discount it, repackage it and move on sticking to your main 'focus' sellin your main *focus* !

 

[RueTor]

My two gold coins…

Split the “Sticky” message (Where to Shop on Siege….) at the top of the message board into two messages to help new players set-up vendors or find vendors:

A) Sticky 1 - Common Price list range (estimated)

B) Sticky 2 - Where to Shop

The “Sticky” messages would be solely controlled and actively edited by the admins based on the active message posts. The "Sticky" messages are not intended to dictate price, but to help new people make a smooth transition from the production shards.

If some shifts in the economy (e.g. Relic Fragments going for less than 25k – 30K) due to changes in the game, the “Sticky” is edited as needed. If a vendor site appears, disappears or goes dormant, the “Sticky” is edited.

Based on board activity you could get fancy, notes could be added to indicated which items are in demand with little notes (steady demand), (slow demand), (price unknown due to rarity – post on board).

Rue Tor

 

[Sprago]

i dont think there should be a sticky about price range especially untill there is more vendors to give an average price range. and if the price range theard is started who ever does this should go around to all the vendors and actually get a average price. It should not made from people sitting in the backround just estimating what it should be. We need to let the people actually out collecting and farming make the prices because they are the ones doing the foot work.

 

[Sprago]

With ROT and the daily caps @ 3.6, ?.

You do know they unlocked that right? we have no daily cap anymore i wish they would unlock the stats now to because i think thats still locked at 12 per day i think

 

[Fogsbane]

As a Vendor (novice):

I never seem to have enough stock of these items -
Arrows
Barbed Leather
Bolts of Cloth
Bottles
(Individual) Gate Scrolls


The things that I have seen discussed in chat that seemingly always sell immediately -
Garden Beds
Legacy Tokens (Chargers/Soulstones)
Veteran Rewards (House Teleporters, Portals)

My main limitation to all selling (and buying) would be ignorance of pricing.

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As a stall operator:

Arrows, Boards, Bolts, Bottles = 10
decent turn over at 9 buy / 11 sell

Regular Leather = 25
buying at 24, plenty comes in to keep stock afloat for sale at 26

Reagents - someone unloaded a few thousand of these on my stall
I had this listed as a placeholder and never expected to get any sellers for my low price,
attributing this to LRC suits (or someone in need of quick gold)?

Spined Leather = 40
I believe I could have kept buying and never had enough gold.
Dropping the price (36/30/25) I kept (buying a few thousand) being limit saturated.
It sits now at 19, and no one has yet sold me any (for the last few months at least).
Other stalls offer a better price for all leather so that certainly has had an effect.

New Magincia stall is best, for me, to buy supplies and not sell them.
It appears too costly to turn over large quantities of close margin priced stock.

Comparing stall pricing, over time, is often overlooked?
More than once have I seen one stall selling lower than another is buying for.
Quick. Easy. Gold.

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As a customer (probably common knowledge across all shards):

Advertising helps (me making) the purchase.
I'm not in the habit of traveling the lands just to window shop.
If you do not advertise it's highly unlikely that I'll see ever your wares.

Nested containers
Keep your items organized in the top level of the pack.
I just will not bother to dig around to see what is on offer,
unless your items are in a container that is easily identifiable off the main pack.

Repeat Sales
If your vendor is offering at a fair price, I'll be back time and time again.
(even if your depleted for an extended period of time).

Vendor display
When I want a certain item, my impulse is to go check the vendor that sells only those things.
If you have lots of vendors around the perimeter of or spread out all over a large house
and all the vendors look pretty much the same (dressed / equipped),
with each one offering a a seemingly random jumble of items,
I will go to your competitor and even pay a little more before I search through your collection.

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Things that I wish were not so rare to find certain types of, at reasonable prices:

Alacrity Scrolls, Gems, Peerless Ingredients, Recipes

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[Wolfman]

Trying to stock "decent throw-away" suits.
Czarinas place (mongbat ranch) "Imbue and Suits" has the first varieties available for 350k (production cost 310k, so my win margin is not that high). Will try to stock when they are selling!

 

[The Cheapsuit]

We need more high end items on vendors that are not over priced.

 

[Wolfman]

We need more high end items on vendors that are not over priced.

Well these suits are: All 70s, LMC 40, 100LRC, 42MI and some MR.....

 

[FrejaSP]

I believe the stall vendors will be the place to see going prices. I'm new to using them but I believe they are a great add to Siege as our vendors don't buy.
Stall vendors will allow players to sell stackable loot they don't need.
I'm still trying to set the prices right so I buy what I need and resell what I don't need.
I head someone say, only players with the rustice or gothish pack can sell to them, that is sad as many returning players don't have this packs and same with many non crafters.

 

[Rumpy]

Trying to stock "decent throw-away" suits.
Czarinas place (mongbat ranch) "Imbue and Suits" has the first varieties available for 350k (production cost 310k, so my win margin is not that high). Will try to stock when they are selling!

Theres a vendor in Zento that stocks all 70s, max LRC, LMC, and MR 6 for 150k.. Just as an FYI.

 

[Wolfman]

Theres a vendor in Zento that stocks all 70s, max LRC, LMC, and MR 6 for 150k.. Just as an FYI.

If someone throws out gold...that is fine..I did the calculation and 350k is the lowest I can do....(I sold 8 sets in 3 hours so far)
Feel free to buy anywhere you like!

 

[Rumpy]

If someone throws out gold...that is fine..I did the calculation and 350k is the lowest I can do....(I sold 8 sets in 3 hours so far)
Feel free to buy anywhere you like!

I was just saying. Their vendor is kind of out of the way, so its not surprising. Their suits also lack + mana.

 

[Rumpy]

Well these suits are: All 70s, LMC 40, 100LRC, 42MI and some MR.....

I think hes referring to overall items like Vet Rewards, Nice Weaps, Artifacts, Etc...

He is also a dexxer, so he would want something for his dexxer.

 

[Wolfman]

I think hes referring to overall items like Vet Rewards, Nice Weaps, Artifacts, Etc...

He is also a dexxer, so he would want something for his dexxer.

Problem for dexer is that the suit has to be balanced out to the user. I am dexer myself so I know that 3 more stamina or 3 more mana can make all the difference. But in general I will be stocking some basic dexer suit aswell pretty soon.

 

[Rumpy]

My overall thoughts on vendors.. Is that it would be nice to see items without having to ask or plead in Gen Chat for someone to help out. Alot of us do not have crafter accounts and no desires to work crafting skills. However, we do require these items that we cannot make ourselves. Its always a plea for help from a guildmate or from gen chat to have someone make stuff or the such. Here is just a short list of items I think should be stocked for High End Wise....

Vet Rewards
- Ethys
- Robe/Cloak Sets
- House Add-Ons / Statues
**I understand some of this may be hard pressed to come by, but it shouldn't be hoarded**
Basic Items
- Lockpicks (I couldn't find any - Especially needed for training)
- House Deco Add-Ons (There is alot of mixup of this out there, nothing solid though - Very random)
- Wooden Chests/Housing Containers (No one wants to buy just 1 - They will need several **I have over 40**)
**I am sure I am missing alot. There are PLENTY of "tool" vendors as well**
Jewelry
- Casting Jewels: SDI, LMC, LRC, DCI, (Maybe HCI for people with Chiv as their only heal)
- Casting Jewels: + Magery, DCI, SDI
- Dexxer Jewels: + Stats, HCI, DCI, Damage Inc (IE: +Int, +Dex, HCI, DCI, Damage Inc)
**Shame loot is nice, but not mod specific / You can also cut cost on jewels by using blanks or low mod oldschool casting jewels**
***Do not waste your time using ingreds to craft 1/2 or 1/3 rings, its a waste***
Imbued Suits
- Mage Suits w/ 70s, 100% LRC, 30%+ LMC, and 8+ Mana Regen (You can't just max out LMC an be done with it. You need mana to use mana)
- Dexxer Suits w/ 70s, + Stam, + Mana, LMC, Mana Regen/Stam Regen (I think most dexxers use refresh pots or divine fury, so many focus on mana regen for those withou med/focus)
**Perhaps mix it up a little on dexxer suits to cover those who don't need stam and want HP or something)
Weapons
- Mage Weapon:
- Spell Channeling, No Penalty (Mods - Hit Spell, Hit Lower Attack, DCI, Etc)
- Spell Channeling, No Penalty w/ -15 or -20 Magery & DCI
- Dexxer Weapons:
- PvM - All types of slayers w/ stuff like Hit Lower Defence, Mana Leech, Hit Lower Attack (Some dif weaps per class including Leaf blades, Radiant Scimitars, Etc)
- PvP - Hit Spell, Lower Defence, Lower Attack, HCI, Swing Speed (ONLY IF NEEDED - You don't need SSI on a Kryss/Dagger/Katana)

Some vendors stock potions, supplies, etc... But just not enough higher end items and misc..

This is just stuff I know for a fact Rizu and I are looking for and that I have seen others ask for. I had NEW2 Members the other day trying to find Undead Slayers and the such. Just my .2 worth.

 

[Wolfman]

Agreed to all points you are writing Rumpy!
But exactly to prevent hoarding (after I put my first 6 suits on my vendor 2 ppl bought them all) I keep my excess ones, and if someone asks in genchat to buy an ethy or a cloak/robe set I am more than willing to sell if I have one in stock.
I am the only person I have control over so feel free to ask when you need something.

 

[FrejaSP]

Theres a vendor in Zento that stocks all 70s, max LRC, LMC, and MR 6 for 150k.. Just as an FYI.

That sounds like the price is to low, I can't make them for that

 

[FrejaSP]

I believe we will see more imbuers, we lost alot, when all was running in factions gear and we did not have the new shame loot for relic.
I do wish Devs would give us 2x loot like in fel on normal shards, there are still some resources, there are hard to get and very time eating to get.
I try to use my stall vendor to get some of the resources I need to make the suits and weapon my customers ask for as I don't have enough playtime to hunt for them myself.
The cheaper the crafters can get the resources, the cheaper they can sell their items.

 

[Baby Doll]

The cheaper the crafters can get the resources, the cheaper they can sell their items.[/quote]

However to cheap and people will not go out hunting for those resources because it will not be worth it to do so.. Or worse yet too cheap and it won't be worth looting! People will then collect only what thier alt mules need. Nothing for anyone else.

 

[Rumpy]

Agreed to all points you are writing Rumpy!
But exactly to prevent hoarding (after I put my first 6 suits on my vendor 2 ppl bought them all) I keep my excess ones, and if someone asks in genchat to buy an ethy or a cloak/robe set I am more than willing to sell if I have one in stock.
I am the only person I have control over so feel free to ask when you need something.

I currently only have the 1 suit I am wearing. If I lose it, I'll have to make one up out of the stuff I got.. So I would end up buying 2 suits just for backups. Just so long as the leather caps aren't there

Theres so much I need, I forget what to even ask for. I'd rather see it and be like, oh damn we need that. We do need quite a few things right now...

 

[FrejaSP]

The cheaper the crafters can get the resources, the cheaper they can sell their items.

However to cheap and people will not go out hunting for those resources because it will not be worth it to do so.. Or worse yet too cheap and it won't be worth looting! People will then collect only what thier alt mules need. Nothing for anyone else.[/quote]
That's why we need Devs help to make it less painfull to hunt for them. The spawn is based on the normal shards, where items sell for more and not get lost.
But I also believe alot do leave loot, they have no use for instead of reselling it.

 

[Nozomi Tsuji]

That sounds like the price is to low, I can't make them for that

That would probably be my vendor. I did a little math before i priced those suits and it worked out as follows:

22x Relic Frags to add LMC = I put 5k against each since they appear to be abundant nowadays so thats 110k
To do the rest, I have only been charging for gems which are ridiculously overpriced on NPC vendors and generally I burn about 30-40k worth of gems if I am sensible about which imbues I do first. ie. leaving imbues that require cheap gems till last for fails.

So that's a total of 150k approx. I have been selling the suits for about 170k (garg one is 150k cos noone wants it ).

The magical stuff and enchanted essence are just a by-product of my daily activities so I just don't bother putting a price to those mats.
The leather/cloth used is immaterial as it takes so little to make a few armour parts so I don't take that into the price either.
The last imbue I put on each part generally has a 50% chance for success so there is minimal wastage (most parts only have 4 properties)

So technically I am not at a loss as the only thing I am spending gold on is gems. And It provides people with throw away suits at what I think is a reasonable price.

If I were to start adding MI I would be moving on to a 5th imbue property on each part, subsequently the failure rate is increased significantly and the price would likely soar.

 

[TheDrAJ]

Well relics are dropping like a rock so the cost of suits should decrease over time.

 

[FrejaSP]

Well relics are dropping like a rock so the cost of suits should decrease over time.

Yes relic is dropping but it's still very time eating to make a suit 5x70 and time is money.
To a good suit, we may need other resources too, that is hard to find on vendors.
If the imbues do not make a little money, they will give up. And if some dump the price, it will hurt the younger imbuers too.

 

[Wolfman]

Yes relic is dropping but it's still very time eating to make a suit 5x70 and time is money.
To a good suit, we may need other resources too, that is hard to find on vendors.
If the imbues do not make a little money, they will give up. And if some dump the price, it will hurt the younger imbuers too.

And it is not only the relics:
If you put high 5 mod items up for production, there is a high failure rate at the 4th and 5th mod (final mod success usually is around or a little below 30%).
If you want to put Spell-Channel on a weapon, you need 10 silver snake skins. Have you tried to farm those? I mean for one weapon, yes, but to have enough to sell it? So what you need to do here is go into runics, and crank out many weapons till you have clean Spell channel weapons....so you need to work bods to get the runics......and that is definetly not my type of playstyle.

 

[Uvtha]

Yes relic is dropping but it's still very time eating to make a suit 5x70 and time is money.
To a good suit, we may need other resources too, that is hard to find on vendors.
If the imbues do not make a little money, they will give up. And if some dump the price, it will hurt the younger imbuers too.

I think the real issue is that some people farm their own relics and others have to buy them. If you farm your own then you can really drop the price and keep your profits high. So prices will probably be set by whoever keeps their stock up the most.

If I still had my imbuer I'd help out especially not that relics are so easy to get, but I was hijacking a non siege player friend of mine for my crafter character, and he closed his account.

On a side note, I sure remember what a pain the the rump the regular gems being so expensive being. I wish there were better ways to farm gems so we wouldn't have to buy them at like 300 gold each.

 

[Petra Fyde]

Working honesty helps with that, though my honesty has decayed and I've had a heck of a time trying to find lost items to work it back up again.
Mining too, you don't get many, but every one you get is one less you need to buy, stealing from monsters is another small way to boost, since it actually doubles up, if you steal from a gargoyle that has 4 rubies (eg) there'll be another 4 in the corpse when you kill it.

 

[Nozomi Tsuji]

I think the real issue is that some people farm their own relics and others have to buy them. If you farm your own then you can really drop the price and keep your profits high. So prices will probably be set by whoever keeps their stock up the most.

On a side note, I sure remember what a pain the the rump the regular gems being so expensive being. I wish there were better ways to farm gems so we wouldn't have to buy them at like 300 gold each.

I would agree completely, those with the ability acquire relic frags with relative ease value the frags far less. 1 hour of hunting shame type mobs with a reasonable amount of luck (think i pack about 800 luck + 10 anni statue which bumps it to around 1600) generally nets me between 20-40 frags plus the other common imbue mats, gold and occasional 'keeper' items.

On a side note, what has happened with the NPC gem prices at the moment? Prices have sky-rocketed, basic gems are over 1k per atm (Diamonds are around 3k!!). Jhelom & Nujelm seem to be be the only low cost gem vendors now and they are still more than what you used to get them for at the Brit jeweller amongst others. Needless to say, this has put an abrupt halt on my suit making business for the time being.

 

[FrejaSP]

On a side note, what has happened with the NPC gem prices at the moment? Prices have sky-rocketed, basic gems are over 1k per atm (Diamonds are around 3k!!). Jhelom & Nujelm seem to be be the only low cost gem vendors now and they are still more than what you used to get them for at the Brit jeweller amongst others. Needless to say, this has put an abrupt halt on my suit making business for the time being.

That a faction issue, buy them in zento or if we have a cheap faction town, buy them there

 

[Nozomi Tsuji]

That a faction issue, buy them in zento or if we have a cheap faction town, buy them there

Learn something new every day. Didn't realise factions had an effect on gem prices.

Not very often I buy from NPC vendors mind you.

 

[FrejaSP]

If we could agree about using zento, we would not have to start with 20 gems ech time. zento do have 3-4 jewelers
Also new players can make money from going to Coveteus and pick up the gems and kill the vampire bads who pick them up. Then sell to the stall vendors

 

[Wolfman]

If we could agree about using zento, we would not have to start with 20 gems ech time. zento do have 3-4 jewelers
Also new players can make money from going to Coveteus and pick up the gems and kill the vampire bads who pick them up. Then sell to the stall vendors

Actually, thx to the current bug, it is 6 jewlers in Zento....I am realy happy with that location right now!

 

[Rumpy]

I would agree completely, those with the ability acquire relic frags with relative ease value the frags far less. 1 hour of hunting shame type mobs with a reasonable amount of luck (think i pack about 800 luck + 10 anni statue which bumps it to around 1600) generally nets me between 20-40 frags plus the other common imbue mats, gold and occasional 'keeper' items.

On a side note, what has happened with the NPC gem prices at the moment? Prices have sky-rocketed, basic gems are over 1k per atm (Diamonds are around 3k!!). Jhelom & Nujelm seem to be be the only low cost gem vendors now and they are still more than what you used to get them for at the Brit jeweller amongst others. Needless to say, this has put an abrupt halt on my suit making business for the time being.

It looks like the people in factions decided to delete all reg vendors/resource vendors and jack the city prices super high.. Looks like these same people are no wanting to sell Regs and stuff for profit and make it unfavorable for others. I guess this is their way to get people into factions.

 

[Barania]

"Maybe we have a duty to the girl in the woods who tamed enough timber wolves to bring down an ettin for 130 gold to sell her what she needs. Profit, loss or even."

This pretty much sums up how I think. Stocking real basic weapons including low end runic made stuff isn't really a profitable venture. On the flip side, I have two chars who each in 60 minutes can log on and kill enough stuff to pay the vendor charges for a week. One is even a 120 tailor. Selling way higher end stuff that moves also helps out the equation. Thats what it is all about really....total net profit.

I'm probably gonna keep selling basic weapons and branch out into gear whether I make anything individually off them or not.

Jack Nickelson

 

[Rumpy]

Learn something new every day. Didn't realise factions had an effect on gem prices.

Not very often I buy from NPC vendors mind you.

Tsuji - Can you make a suit with a hat like bear or dear mask instead of a Kasa and focus resists around using a pair of Inquis? I can pick up some slack LRC on a ring/brac. If not, maybe even hit me up in-game, just ask for Jamie Fix.