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Scroll of Valiant Commendation question

Poo

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I would say don't buy any - but then of course I'm an optimist to whom it's patently obvious that this is merely the first opportunity to get this scroll.
Why do I think it?
1. I have a high opinion of Mesanna's intelligence and trust her to know the game she's worked on for so many years.
2. it is highly illogical that only 20 - 30 characters per shard should have it
3. It in no way compares to AoS when ALL characters of EVERY player who survived the launch got the stat gain, or at least the opportunity to have it - some people used the skill points instead.
4. I don't have an agenda to put the worst possible spin on everything the developers do, regardless of how illogical that might be.
5. I am not trying to get the gullible to buy a scroll from me.
ya know what.
you hit one thing on the head that ticks me off to this day.
if you ordered AOS you got the 5 stat points or the 5 skill points.
some people picked skills.
i picked stats.

then EVERYONE got stats.

that was a real sucky blow to me.
just because a lot of people where stupid and picked skills over stats they had to nerf it and give EVERYONE stats again after.
but if you allready had the bump you didnt get a double dip.

what they should have done was give everyone another hit at the original.
so if you allready had picked the 5 stat you could have gotten a 5 skill after when all the people who where pancakes and moaning got the 5 stat.

but this happens over and over in UO history.
AOS.
you pre order you get the ONE TIME ONLY, NEVER TO BE SEEN AGAIN HOODED ROBE!!!!!
but then you can get it a year later with a legacy token.

its to the point where nothing is original in the game.

i read posts here and i think that people wont be happy until the game is like test centre and they give us each one of everything in game.

what fun is that?
i dont wanna be spoon fed!
i wanna play and earn my keep!

some people in here cry so bad when they miss something.
and i agree, if you miss the event because of RL that sucks.
but hey, thats part of the online world.
we cant hold up the event until EVERYONE can make it.
cause thats just impossible.

and the same with event items.
why would i want something that everyone else has?
i wanna be original.
i wanna be me!

i remember one fella freaking out one day because he saw a player with a old Seer Event Title.
it was one of the old Grand Master Duelist titles from back when they had fight nights.

he was ticked that this cat got to fly this neat title that he earned over a decade ago, and this fella thought he should be entitled to the same, even though he had only been playing UO for a couple months.

it was unfair he said.

i dont see it.
its flavor, i think.
if ya want vanilla, go play warhammer or WOW.
if ya want Franks Red hot, play UO.
 

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only about 1% of the UO player base have a Phoenix Set of Armour.
thats unfair.
i was there back when we got them, i couldnt afford to junk stuff to get enough points to get a set.

its been an unfair advantage to that 1% that they get that cool orange blessed suit.
and then to add insult to injury, they can sell it and make 50 mill per piece!

we should all get full sets.

then we can all wear them at the bank.

is that what we are coming too?
 

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I hope they do give these out at some other point in the near future, i sold one of mine for 90 million and i may sell the second one I got on the fact that i hope to get another free one and then be 200 Million up and still have a +5 scroll

Actually, this is another very good reason IMHO for having an official word on this issue from Mesanna very, but very very soon. It would help players not to spend their hard earned UO gold for a scroll now which they will have a chance to obtain a little further down the road.

Yes, definately another very good reason I think of why Mesanna or some other official rep should say some words on this issue which is of great concern to many UO players at the very soonest....
 

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Actually, this is another very good reason IMHO for having an official word on this issue from Mesanna very, but very very soon. It would help players not to spend their hard earned UO gold for a scroll now which they will have a chance to obtain a little further down the road.

Yes, definately another very good reason I think of why Mesanna or some other official rep should say some words on this issue which is of great concern to many UO players at the very soonest....
ok, BUT.....
if they crank out more cause we all need one for every character we have, then the people who EARNED them at the events will be able to get those too..... and they will STILL BE 5 POINTS AHEAD OF US!

damn them!!!!
damn them for having fun at the event and killing the big bad guy and getting a reward!
damn them to hell!
quick pa, get the pitchforks and torches!
 

popps

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some people in here cry so bad when they miss something.
and i agree, if you miss the event because of RL that sucks.
but hey, thats part of the online world.
we cant hold up the event until EVERYONE can make it.
cause thats just impossible.

and the same with event items.
why would i want something that everyone else has?
i wanna be original.
i wanna be me!

The thing is, that with this Event we are not talking about some eye candy item, we are talking of a quite unbalancing item in PvP and also PvM as having 260 CAP over 255 can make the difference in a competitive environment.....

As I personally see it, leaving only a few players to be able to have the upper hand in fights is neither good for them who would get bored of winning so easily, nor for the other players who'd get frustrated for loosing fights too often. These inbalances hurt Ultima Online in the long run, IMHO.

For a fun and challenging game, especially in PvP, fights need to be balanced and their outcomes always as much open as possible, IMHO. This means, to my opinion, making the +5 stats scrolls of Valiant Commendation be available to ALL players, not merely a limited number........
 

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Actually, this is another very good reason IMHO for having an official word on this issue from Mesanna very, but very very soon. It would help players not to spend their hard earned UO gold for a scroll now which they will have a chance to obtain a little further down the road.

Yes, definately another very good reason I think of why Mesanna or some other official rep should say some words on this issue which is of great concern to many UO players at the very soonest....

Mesanna made her reply a few pages back, had she intended to hand these out freely in the near future i think she would have said so.

Its my thinking is, its like the Conjurer Garbs with 150 luck on them, a one time only event. The Garbs now sell for 50 mill each as you cant get them anymore, Same thing goes with Dread mares if your not there, well your not going ot get one unless you buy one.

Thats why i may hold on to the second one o got rather than sell it.
 

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The thing is, that with this Event we are not talking about some eye candy item, we are talking of a quite unbalancing item in PvP and also PvM as having 260 CAP over 255 can make the difference in a competitive environment.....

As I personally see it, leaving only a few players to be able to have the upper hand in fights is neither good for them who would get bored of winning so easily, nor for the other players who'd get frustrated for loosing fights too often. These inbalances hurt Ultima Online in the long run, IMHO.

For a fun and challenging game, especially in PvP, fights need to be balanced and their outcomes always as much open as possible, IMHO. This means, to my opinion, making the +5 stats scrolls of Valiant Commendation be available to ALL players, not merely a limited number........
how is you sitting in uhall complaining worth a Valiant Commendation?
how commendable and valiant is this?

did you slay the beast?
did you die doing so?
did you defend the realm from the evil?

5 stat points is a deal breaker for ya?
really?
a magic arrow worth of HP in a day and age when you can IMBUE that one each and every piece of armour and get it off of half the robes that are out there?

i dont see the game ender here.
and i pvp nightly.

if 5 stat points are a game ender for ya in PVP your doing something wrong old bean.
 

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Mesanna made her reply a few pages back, had she intended to hand these out freely in the near future i think she would have said so.

Its my thinking is, its like the Conjurer Garbs with 150 luck on them, a one time only event. The Garbs now sell for 50 mill each as you cant get them anymore, Same thing goes with Dread mares if your not there, well your not going ot get one unless you buy one.

Thats why i may hold on to the second one o got rather than sell it.
I do not think a Garb with 150 luck can be compared to the unbalancing capacity of increasing only for some players the stats CAP to 260, permanently.......

Luck increases the "chance" at better items which does not exclude players from getting high end items even with less luck. Their chances are a little reduced (considering that there are other robes out there with luck on even though not 150....) but nonetheless they can still get the same good items that those players with a Garb with 150 luck can find....... Just a little less likely.

On the contrary, not having 260 stats CAP in a fight versus other players having a 260 stats CAP can make a whole world of difference in losing fights way too often.

And I think this, I would like everyone to note, hurts Ultima Online, eventually.
Having unbalanced fights, to my opinion, for the reasons explained in my other posts, is eventually very very bad for Ultima Online itself making the game boring and not challenging for some players and frustrating for other players.
 

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i dont see the game ender here.
and i pvp nightly.

if 5 stat points are a game ender for ya in PVP your doing something wrong old bean.

If a permanent raise of the stats CAP to 260 is not a major issue in fights, then what would be the big deal of all players be capable of getting it beyond this limited time Event ??

Besides, I happen to think that a 260 stats CAP DOES make quite a difference in fights over a CAP limited at 255.........
 

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I do not think a Garb with 150 luck can be compared to the unbalancing capacity of increasing only for some players the stats CAP to 260, permanently.......

Luck increases the "chance" at better items which does not exclude players from getting high end items even with less luck. Their chances are a little reduced (considering that there are other robes out there with luck on even though not 150....) but nonetheless they can still get the same good items that those players with a Garb with 150 luck can find....... Just a little less likely.

On the contrary, not having 260 stats CAP in a fight versus other players having a 260 stats CAP can make a whole world of difference in losing fights way too often.

And I think this, I would like everyone to note, hurts Ultima Online, eventually.
Having unbalanced fights, to my opinion, for the reasons explained in my other posts, is eventually very very bad for Ultima Online itself making the game boring and not challenging for some players and frustrating for other players.
UO is full of imbalnces ask the new player who only has 700 skill point to play with, while the vet has 720
 

popps

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UO is full of imbalnces ask the new player who only has 700 skill point to play with, while the vet has 720

But even a new player, in a few months can catch up since every 4 months the skill CAP can be raised of 5.

Point is, that eventually all players get to be 720 skill CAP. As things are now, unless there is more ways to obtain the +5 stats Scroll of Valiant Commendation, only a few players will be able to permanently take advantage of the inbalance of having a 260 stats CAP versus all other players who can only have a 255 stats CAP tops.........
 

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popps, I do understand what you're saying, but I don't believe missing out on those 5 extra stat points has to ruin anyone's life in UO. There are many things I miss out on, too, but it's solely because of my preferred playstyle. I'm an old relic who gets RL heart palpitations when things get too dangerous in game, so I choose not to compete for such prizes. Even if I joined in, I doubt that I'd get too hot and bothered just because someone else got something better than I did. That's life... and that's UO.
 

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But even a new player, in a few months can catch up since every 4 months the skill CAP can be raised of 5.

Point is, that eventually all players get to be 720 skill CAP. As things are now, unless there is more ways to obtain the +5 stats Scroll of Valiant Commendation, only a few players will be able to permanently take advantage of the inbalance of having a 260 stats CAP versus all other players who can only have a 255 stats CAP tops.........
wrong it goes up +5 skill points a year, it takes 4 years to get to 720 point skill cap.

Now thats what i call a real imbalnce
 

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did you slay the beast?
did you die doing so?
did you defend the realm from the evil?
Yes
No, but lots of others that I resurrected there did, as did my Greater Dragon whilst I was healing the others fighting.
Yes, and only my realm, I didn't cross shard to others.

And did I get a scroll?

No. Nor did more than half of the regulars who were there either. And you believe you're making an argument for the way the scrolls were handled?

So here's the thing; you can often tell the worth of an argument by the kind of people who are making it. In this case you've got selfish people insulting others, then outright lying and saying someone else started with the attitude; you've got people claiming purchasing an item in a virtual game is "Manning Up", as if we're supposed to convert our play experience into shoring up your sad and insecure role-played lives here and make you feel like a man for pressing your "Vendor Buy" macro; you've got badly made, or just outright amateur-hour political philosophy based arguments which both make no sense and don't even address the in game experience as it actually was...

And on the other hand, you've got people who just want everyone to have the ability to achieve something they'd like. You know, in this little corner of the world where they come to have fun, and which the game's survival is based upon them having...

We can also go one step further and actually prove the point they are making, at least to those who aren't arguing only to try and justify themselves. Let's address the issues directly, shall we?

Firstly, as it currently stands, it violates the previous Rules which covered EM events that they not include any gameplay changing mechanics. This previously went as far as unique coloured pets... I discussed with the EMs on my own shard how they could use a renamed chicken as a spawn, and the rules were they could do that because pets can always be renamed again, so anyone could have a "Hooby Jooby" bird by renaming their own chicken; and they could do get the exact same stats on a normal sword as an EM sword, so any practical use was also replicable. And decoration has no practical use.

Now, Petra may be correct in that the +5 stat bonus itself may not be unique; if there are alternative ways to achieve it, then what happens is that the scroll itself moves back into the realm of a simple EM decorative rare; either eaten or not, because it doesn't provide any greater utility once the wider mechanic becomes available. With the way the rules always have been in the past, and with a 15 year anniversary coming up, I suspect this may have been the actual plan. What the Dev Team simply missed the community reaction to the bonus being available in limited runs in the short term, because they thought the community would be more intelligent than that.

Now me, I'm at heart a cynical realist. I would have put the Scroll as the clickable reward at the end rather than the Blackthorn Book. Because I would not only expect people to be disappointed they didn't get the far more personal reward, but I also would expect the usual idiocy of people who merely won a lottery, from a ticket they didn't even have to purchase to think it proves something special about them, as narcissists always do; whilst those who genuinely valued the lore to get reamed by bad luck as good people always do. And because it's a new gaming mechanic, I'd want as many people to be guinea pigs for the new changes... whilst getting a dyed black book changes nothing, so leave that as the decorative rare again.

So I'd have planned for the worst. But the game play experience would probably have been better for it overall if they had done so too.

Now as I've already shown, the event failed on the level of actually rewarding those who played for in game role-play reasons; and if you actually believed that argument, you'd have argued for a dispenser for all those who were actually there too. The reason you don't, like most people who have to take their self worth from creating an artificially separated ladder, is because you actually want to argue for that unfairness, now you think you're at a higher rung on said ladder. And attempts to poison the well with comments like "crying" and calling people babies just shows how lacking in integrity you are.

So too does comparing apples to oranges; only the Dread Mare is close to being a good like for like comparison, but I notice you didn't include the Bane Dragon in that argument, which was specifically an attempt to reintroduce a pet with identical stats to allow people the chance to get that gaming equivalent again. Yes, it has a slightly different attack. And yes, that no longer spawns. But it was an attempt to address the very issue you claim is a constant; that the Devs constantly put in things which remain elitist. And you are objectively, provably wrong, even there. They even announced on the boards here that they were leaving the Bane up this time until they thought anyone who wanted one had had the time to tame one. If you PvP you can have a Dread Mare equivalent now, if you wanted one.

And as one of the few people on my shard who bothered to tame a really good Bane (the public strangely took against them, despite them being the best rideable in game now) and who also had the at first very rare recipe to cook their food, you can search my posts here and see I argued that they should remain available for everyone. And the recipe WAS patched back in, remember? I used to make a fortune off Bane food. I don't now. And it's good that I don't. You see, the hilarious thing is, the very people who talk about "self sufficiency" and "self reliance" usually NEED other people to not be able to look after themselves so they can feel smug about themselves... me? I worked to make myself self sufficient, and then argued that other people should have that right too.

Where I would criticize the Devs again is that they ever took the Dragon itself out. And again, they were thinking positively... "Oh, people positively act, so if they wanted one, they'd go and get one! No one is taming them now, so everyone who wanted one has one!" Where as I'd say "People are largely herd animals, and they all agreed for some reason that Bane were bad, even though the stats are right there to look at; and no one wants to be seen on what is seen as a bad pet. But then again, 'designer wellies' are currently fashionable, and before that, Ugg Boots, so there's no accounting for taste at all. Leave the Bane up and when decent people see past the trend, or fashions come around again to be occasionally realistic, people have the option to change their mind."

Are +5 Stats as irrelevant as 'designer wellies' though? If they were, would you have spent 200m on them, and be so determined to try and prevent any one else having them now? Really? You honestly don't think anyone can see through that? Of course it's a positive improvement. However small is not the issue; in a world where aggressive ("muddy funsters" - Ed.) take advantage of every tiny little advantage possible, people instinctively know they can't really leave any small advantages on the table... they don't particularly want to be constantly policing the fairness of the game, or anything else, but the ("pushing and shoving is the purpose of Barge Poles" - Ed) constantly prove that without a policeman of some kind, life rapidly ends up as hell on earth for most decent people. Just like Ultima Online proved when it was first released... and why 15 years later you've still got the same exhausting attempts to re-write this game's history and claim it was a libertarian utopia, rather than Somalia Online as it really was for most. And the result? We got Trammel. It's why there had to be Trammel.

And hopefully, if the Devs still have sense, there's a +5 stat boost for all coming down the pipe for everyone. Because struggle against it as you selfishly do, ultimately it has to be.
 
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I predict Messana will anounce another way of getting scrolls by the end of the day. They knew this would imbalance pvp and im gonna give them the benefit of the doubt that they have more plans for these to be available. Buying them at this point is probably a horrible decision.

I attended the event, got a scroll, then it poofed either the moment i clicked on the journal or shortly before. Checked my bank, insurance menu, tried logging off and back on, it definitely poofed via some kinda bug. Oh well, its just a game, my only regret is i chose to attend this event instead of spending time with my wife and baby, maybe this was my just punishment.
 

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popps, I do understand what you're saying, but I don't believe missing out on those 5 extra stat points has to ruin anyone's life in UO. There are many things I miss out on, too, but it's solely because of my preferred playstyle. I'm an old relic who gets RL heart palpitations when things get too dangerous in game, so I choose not to compete for such prizes. Even if I joined in, I doubt that I'd get too hot and bothered just because someone else got something better than I did. That's life... and that's UO.

I can understand that but still, it goes beyond my comprehension why all players in Ultima Online should not be made capable of competing with each other on an equal footing.

I mean, a balanced fight can make it for a more challenging fight right ?

And a more challenging fight is supposed to mean more fun for both players, right ?

And more fun when playing the game is better for the game itself right ?

So, I do not understand why on earth the +5 stats scrolls of Valiant Commendation should not be made available to all players rather than just a limited few.............
 

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i think popps is spot on right.

some are bringing up the dreadmare as an argument. its a good point as well. while on the unbalancing side of the argument its true dreadmares are no longer obtainable in game except on the after market, using one in battle still requires the tamer to be on foot. where these were initially op'd i believe given the changes in suit builds a good player can now deal with the mana dump of the dread as well as the on foot tamer.
 

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260 does not equate to a win in a pvp fight. You cannot get over the hard cap on HP which, at the end of the day, is all that is between you and a grey screen. At best it's a few extra mana or stam points which as a percentage of the overall stats one can build into a uber suit are not worth 100mil IMO.

Stuck at work I can't log into my PvP or my better PvM guys but if you worked out the cost per additional point it would be amazing compared to the cost of your current set up, not worth it and better spend elsewhere unless you have billions of gold and nothing to do with it which certainly could be the case.
 

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Personally I am much more interested in the scroll for it's decorative and personalized aspects. I do agree that if the Devs intended to increase the stat cap, it should be available for all characters... And probably will be. My hope is that when it becomes available it presents itself in some other form. Leave these scrolls as unique items to this event. That at least means that those who spent their gold to get one still have a relatively unique and valuable deco item while opening the stat increase to all characters.

That said, I would like to expess my dismay at the way these items were rewarded. As a test last night we pitted a fully skilled and suited mystic mage using RC and casting heals during the Exodus fight against a newly created character with no suit who's only objective was to get killed by Exodus as many times as possible. The end result was a scroll for the dead guy and nothing for the mystic. RNG or not, I find this disgusting. On the off chance that a developer happens to read this, please please come up with a better formula for determining drop chances at events.
 

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Never know, but dang I hope not. Think those folks that got carpal tunnel from re-entering their passwords for an hour straight should be entitled to something nobody else has lol
i would agree but most who did that did not get a scroll i tried on 2 of the 3 shards i play on and have good players on i did dmg both times but was no where near one o the top 20 dmgs either time im sure...I didnt get one on GL but i did on europa didnt even get to try on ls but it seems to me so far its totally random who gets the scrolls 50/50 shot from what ive seen.So yea those who got em want em to stay rare but what about the 3 x as many people who didnt get scrolls and tried just as hard to get one....
 

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So where do we get the +25 scroll?
Looks like I musta eaten a +20 or something cause I'm still 5 short..
arew your stats locked?If so they wont be able to gain the extra 5 points.the scroll just increase total stat cap by five u still have to ear the actually stats yourself to get to the cap.So if they are locked just unlock the stat u want 5 more points in and use a skill that builds those stats should do it.
 

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Personally I am much more interested in the scroll for it's decorative and personalized aspects. I do agree that if the Devs intended to increase the stat cap, it should be available for all characters... And probably will be. My hope is that when it becomes available it presents itself in some other form. Leave these scrolls as unique items to this event. That at least means that those who spent their gold to get one still have a relatively unique and valuable deco item while opening the stat increase to all characters.

That said, I would like to expess my dismay at the way these items were rewarded. As a test last night we pitted a fully skilled and suited mystic mage using RC and casting heals during the Exodus fight against a newly created character with no suit who's only objective was to get killed by Exodus as many times as possible. The end result was a scroll for the dead guy and nothing for the mystic. RNG or not, I find this disgusting. On the off chance that a developer happens to read this, please please come up with a better formula for determining drop chances at events.
I like randomness sure it sux that one can from other shards can come make a new char and get "lucky".But i also think its cool that some poor player has an equal shot at a drop as some uber rich player with all the high tech armor and gizmos.I'm one o those players with all the good stuff and i still think its cool to see someone who sint one of those players have as good a shot as me at a drop.Sure i can survive better and all that so i still have my advantages but thye poor player in cheaper stuff should defo have a chance to get stuff too or they would never stick around long enough to get better stuff!!!
 

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I spent the weekend camping. I don't regret it, but I would like to see them put it into the game permanently in some manner. If it was deco it wouldn't bother me, but when it is something that affects a character in game play it does. I wouldn't even mind if it had been armor/weapons as any most of the attributes could be replicated with the wide range of other armor/artifacts in the game. If they don't add it I won't rant and rave, but I would appreciate it if they did for not only those who missed it, but future UO players.

P.S. Hey, put in 120 item id scrolls in the game too... I want my legendary merchant title!
 

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I like randomness sure it sux that one can from other shards can come make a new char and get "lucky".But i also think its cool that some poor player has an equal shot at a drop as some uber rich player with all the high tech armor and gizmos.I'm one o those players with all the good stuff and i still think its cool to see someone who sint one of those players have as good a shot as me at a drop.Sure i can survive better and all that so i still have my advantages but thye poor player in cheaper stuff should defo have a chance to get stuff too or they would never stick around long enough to get better stuff!!!
I agree with you to a point. A newer player with less than uber gear should be able to have a chance at a drop. But I still believe a better formula could be used to take that into consideration. Think of it this way, that 10 minute old character that put no effort into working skills or getting suit pieces is also reducing the chance of your newer character that is actually working hard to build himself up. IMO contributing nothing to the boss fight but intentionally dying as many times as possible... Not a single heal... Not a single point of damage dealt, should result in zero chance for a drop.
 

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...Could you please be so kind to address these players concerns and let them know how else the +5 Scroll of Valiant Commendation can be obtained ?..
By doing something that is valorously meritorious.
 

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in this day and age, why would they further the imbalances. yes, there's tons of trammel/deco items that people will never be able to get, but if it creates an obvious advantage, they are not going to let only a select few people have it. they're clearly smarter than that.

the +5 stat scroll will be put in the game as a permanent drop
 

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Precisely, and that's the logic I've been trying to get people to see all weekend.
 

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I do not think a Garb with 150 luck can be compared to the unbalancing capacity of increasing only for some players the stats CAP to 260, permanently.......

Luck increases the "chance" at better items which does not exclude players from getting high end items even with less luck. Their chances are a little reduced (considering that there are other robes out there with luck on even though not 150....) but nonetheless they can still get the same good items that those players with a Garb with 150 luck can find....... Just a little less likely.

On the contrary, not having 260 stats CAP in a fight versus other players having a 260 stats CAP can make a whole world of difference in losing fights way too often.

And I think this, I would like everyone to note, hurts Ultima Online, eventually.
Having unbalanced fights, to my opinion, for the reasons explained in my other posts, is eventually very very bad for Ultima Online itself making the game boring and not challenging for some players and frustrating for other players.
While Popps wrote this, my response is not directed at him particularly -he just said it better and all in one place.

UO is a wonderful sandbox. As long as the PvP sandbox gets to dictate what everyone else's sandbox will look like.
You are entitled to an opinion about whether the +5 stat is more of a game changer than a dread mare, a luck garb, 20 skill points over four years, or not being able to even use certain vet rewards for any number of years.

There are some who do not buy the idea that +5 on stats is a big deal. I happen to not have a dread mare and I happen to think it's a very big deal. Much bigger than a +5 stat. If someone thinks getting a luck garb is a bigger deal than all big deals, that's peachy too.

Not everyone fights in or cares about fel. In fact, not everyone who fights in fel cares about this +5 stat. They know.

what's the solution? Do what people told me to do when I complained about not being able to get a dread mare. "Suck it up, you can still buy one"
 

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probably a good idea to lock this thread now and channel the ongoing conversation to the prod letter thread
 

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I can understand that but still, it goes beyond my comprehension why all players in Ultima Online should not be made capable of competing with each other on an equal footing.

I mean, a balanced fight can make it for a more challenging fight right ?

And a more challenging fight is supposed to mean more fun for both players, right ?

And more fun when playing the game is better for the game itself right ?

So, I do not understand why on earth the +5 stats scrolls of Valiant Commendation should not be made available to all players rather than just a limited few.............
your talking in tongues.
your saying that a player that puts in 10 hours a day to get supplies and gold and make the best suit it can should be on the same level table that a fella that logs in for 1 hour a day?

no.
this game isnt or shouldnt be made for the lowest common denominator.
if i strive for perfection (or as close as i can come to it) and put in the hours i fully expect that i should have better stuff then the casual player who logs in for a hour a day.
and more so over the player that logs in once a week.

i have players on every shard.
while they are developed they arnt maxed out, and their suits are mid range at best.
i wouldnt expect to log into them and run out at yew gate and be on a level playing field with the guys that spend thousands of hours on that shard to get their players pimped out.
 

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While Popps wrote this, my response is not directed at him particularly -he just said it better and all in one place.

UO is a wonderful sandbox. As long as the PvP sandbox gets to dictate what everyone else's sandbox will look like.
You are entitled to an opinion about whether the +5 stat is more of a game changer than a dread mare, a luck garb, 20 skill points over four years, or not being able to even use certain vet rewards for any number of years.

There are some who do not buy the idea that +5 on stats is a big deal. I happen to not have a dread mare and I happen to think it's a very big deal. Much bigger than a +5 stat. If someone thinks getting a luck garb is a bigger deal than all big deals, that's peachy too.

Not everyone fights in or cares about fel. In fact, not everyone who fights in fel cares about this +5 stat. They know.

what's the solution? Do what people told me to do when I complained about not being able to get a dread mare. "Suck it up, you can still buy one"
stats and skills don't mean much skill is what makes this game unique..I'll fight any1 with 100 str 20 dex 105 int 7x gm and the only problems I'll have is with dexxers and a few of the higher end skilled mages...so no I say maybe 40% of fel care about the +5 stat for it really is not a game changer by any means at all especially with the insane MR and int and Stam bonuses on these suits stats mean nothing in retrospect
 

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your talking in tongues.
your saying that a player that puts in 10 hours a day to get supplies and gold and make the best suit it can should be on the same level table that a fella that logs in for 1 hour a day?

no.
this game isnt or shouldnt be made for the lowest common denominator.
if i strive for perfection (or as close as i can come to it) and put in the hours i fully expect that i should have better stuff then the casual player who logs in for a hour a day.
and more so over the player that logs in once a week.
Well, I can possibly understand that to some it might apparently not look a good idea but I am convinced it would do good to Ultima Online as a game, ultimately.

Why ?

Because one of the problem of such an old game as UO is, is the "catching up" necessary for new or returning players in order to be competitive with existing players.

While I agree that new or returning players should not be competitive right upon logging the first time, I am also convinced that the time frame to "catch up" should not be so long to deter players from wanting to return to UO or start playing it anew.....

So, I think that a way to "equalize" the powergamer with the casual gamer somehow could be a good thing for Ultima Online because it could help keep up the number of subscriptions by getting also a good number of casual gamers into UO as they could be still competitive versus powergamers even though they cannot spend that much time playing the game.

After all, that a players plays 1 hour in a month or 24/7 the revenue for the game is still the same.
So, having a bunch of casual gamers who play a handfull of hours per month and can still compete with powergamers would help out UO quite nicely keeping up the amount of revenues.......

I guess that out there there is more players who can play casually UO then players who can spend many hours playing it. That is, the biggest revenues for UO can come from casual players, not powergamers.

So, making the game appealing to casual gamers if, even with their limited time, they can still be competitive versus powergamers because of the game dynamics, I think this would bring more revenues to Ultima Online in the long run.
 

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Well, I can possibly understand that to some it might apparently not look a good idea but I am convinced it would do good to Ultima Online as a game, ultimately.

Why ?

Because one of the problem of such an old game as UO is, is the "catching up" necessary for new or returning players in order to be competitive with existing players.

While I agree that new or returning players should not be competitive right upon logging the first time, I am also convinced that the time frame to "catch up" should not be so long to deter players from wanting to return to UO or start playing it anew.....

So, I think that a way to "equalize" the powergamer with the casual gamer somehow could be a good thing for Ultima Online because it could help keep up the number of subscriptions by getting also a good number of casual gamers into UO as they could be still competitive versus powergamers even though they cannot spend that much time playing the game.

After all, that a players plays 1 hour in a month or 24/7 the revenue for the game is still the same.
So, having a bunch of casual gamers who play a handfull of hours per month and can still compete with powergamers would help out UO quite nicely keeping up the amount of revenues.......

I guess that out there there is more players who can play casually UO then players who can spend many hours playing it. That is, the biggest revenues for UO can come from casual players, not powergamers.

So, making the game appealing to casual gamers if, even with their limited time, they can still be competitive versus powergamers because of the game dynamics, I think this would bring more revenues to Ultima Online in the long run.
ill concede that to ya.
ive often wondered how any new player would even attempt to play UO now coming in blind.
there is so many different systems and such, its mind blowing.
but i dont think its the little items like a +5 stat scroll that are gonna be a make or break it item for these people, new or casual.

and the scroll aside, the simple RP name of the item is significant to me.
i honestly dont care about the +5 stat points, hell, i locked mine down for display at my house and i will never eat it, it reminds me of the fun night and good event.
but its the item itself that i dont think should be dolled out like candy to everyone.
having a vending machine hand out for holidays is cool.
but getting a nice little piece of pixil crack for putting in the time and going on a hunt to purge the lands of a vile evil is cake!

there is nothing wrong with giving people a unique treat for putting in the time to play out a event.
there is nothing wrong with giving people a unique title for winning a fel fight night pvp tourny.

having some unique items in the game keeps people striving and coming back, at least it does for me.
 
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the "catching up" necessary for new or returning players in order to be competitive with existing players.
Doesn't it take them FOUR YEARS to "catch up"? or something like that? While I liked getting the gains (i was going to play regardless), at the same time I was saying WTH? so I have to agree.
It's been 'said' that vet rewards shouldn't give an advantage. Aren't the stat increases a reward for time served a vet gift? you don't even have to select it, just an auto-gimme.
 

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Totally giving up on this.. found a Power scroll on a vendor, blew some of my few millions on it... ate it..
and still stuck at 255.

Cutting into my play time so gonna have to take a shine on this and assume I got a bugged character somehow.
I will be happy to look at your character and try to figure out what is wrong. As long as you have eaten a +25 scroll and you have the +5 scroll.

Mesanna
 

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I will be happy to look at your character and try to figure out what is wrong. As long as you have eaten a +25 scroll and you have the +5 scroll.

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Not sure how I can prove the +25 scroll part.... I've eaten two and so far and no help... they go for 6 mill here on Cats so I guess I'd be willing to buy one more and eat it in front of ya...
I can prove the +5 scroll cause it's proudly displayed on the steps of my house...
BTW... Thanks for helping me....
 

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Just checked and found a vendor with another +25 if you want me to get it....
Also checked my stats and it's still at 255.. :(
 

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U also shouldn't eat multiple scrolls lol..the system can't prevent user common sense..not a shot at u ludes I understand you don't know if u ate one due to the 5 stat I'm just sayin in general


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U also shouldn't eat multiple scrolls lol..the system should not meed to prevent user common sense..not a shot at u ludes I understand you don't know if u ate one due to the 5 stat I'm just sayin in general


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