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I have no idea, Gilmour. The wording of the post did not seem inappropriate to me. As for the replies... I am not sure about them, it's been weeks since I saw that thread. Does not really matter - the idea itself, occupying Luna, was charming to me and your post reminded me of that idea.
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Old Man of UO
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Like they need a reason? Have you seen the posts on UHall lately?
Luna was bad idea from the start. I way to copy wows auction house by putting everything in a central location. But if they burnt it where oooo where would I seelz my leetzness goodz?
Last tiome luna was invaded was long ago, when frosty trolls,sneaky snake, tormented mintors and evil jessica were trying to capture goblins. Even then was every other or every 3rd day
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Well the idea is not to destroy Luna, just make em suffer from an invasion for a while.
And you will never see mythic destroying player houses, they wouldn't dare
Honestly when you look at Malas it was meant to be Felucca rule-set when they built it but must have scrapped it for Trammel rule-set so that people wouldn't pancake.
If they did it today, making Malas with Fel rule-set, though it would collapse the Luna economy it would strengthen it elsewhere, we wouldn't get anymore Luna bank sitters, other towns and spots would become more active again (Mostly like Britain or Skara Brae.) vendor malls and vendor owners would actually have to go to Britain to open up portals to their vendor mall in order to get people to them.. I bet we would see a much better economy as well..
If they did it today, making Malas with Fel rule-set, though it would collapse the Luna economy it would strengthen it elsewhere, we wouldn't get anymore Luna bank sitters, other towns and spots would become more active again (Mostly like Britain or Skara Brae.) vendor malls and vendor owners would actually have to go to Britain to open up portals to their vendor mall in order to get people to them.. I bet we would see a much better economy as well..
I just want to ask.... do you use those search websites, and if not do you love just spending countless hours going from vendor to vendor to open them and find that they have 200 levels of organised back packs but no goods, because they have not been stalked forever ? Or do you enjoy finding the item you are looking for fairly fast going right to its location and getting it and being on your way... Because lord knows how much community and chatting I do while running to a vendor to grab said item. This is another of those absurd we are stone age peeps only threads..... And yes heaven forbid someone make use of another games systems that actually work.
I really don't understand what all you peeps hate about luna. I go there and i see 5 people maybe max standing around in town... I go to every other town and I see 0 people... For people complaining about not enough social interaction and community, you guys really hate places its encouraged.....Well the idea is not to destroy Luna, just make em suffer from an invasion for a while.
And you will never see mythic destroying player houses, they wouldn't dare
Luna actually diminished the social aspect of the game.. (Read my post above)
I think besides a few select shards in uo, this would never work now. Seriously sometimes peak hours for my shard is 10 people online it would seem ;c . I already couldn't buy anY POF at all this weekend because no one has any stocked or various imbuing mats which should be of high availability, I would hate to spread out wares to the fact that I could never find them unless I get lucky and see someone opening a gate to there vendor.. ( seriously population on my shard [ well active that is] flat out sucks).
Honestly when I first read the AOS notes I thought it was going to be a fel ruleset. I thought they were going to add a order/chaos thing back in with Luna Vs Umbra. This is what should have happened.
Which shard are you on?
Baja. I am sure peeps gonna say not true, but seriously I log in often and see no one.
I think people are wrong about Luna helping the population/social aspect of the game. If anything, it hurt things by allowing people to buy whatever they need in a central location and logout without saying a word to anyone. It contributed to gold inflation. It hurt bartering and social behavior. It negatively affected supply/demand.
But I do feel your pain. I've been searching daily for corruption and dread horn mane on Pacific vendors for months to no avail. But maybe we shouldn't be able to find corruption and dread horn mane at the drop of a hat without paying a large premium? By the same token, maybe we shouldn't be able to SELL barbed leather at the drop of a hat without deeply discounting the price.
So let's take your shard today. Let's say you can't find more than 10 people. Well, could that be because the other 90 just buy all the barbed leather they need in Luna without being bothered to speak to anyone? And don't get me started about shard transfers and general chat. But I digress...
10 people scenario:
Person 1 wants imbuing ingredients. He asks the other 9. None of them are selling imbuing ingredients. A few days later, he asks again. Still, no one sells imbuing ingredients. Person 1 gets annoyed and explains that he is no warrior and can't get the materials he needs himself. Person 8 says he is running low on imbuing ingredients and will go on a materials gathering run and get enough to sell, but it's going to be at a premium because ingredients farming is very boring. Person 7 listens in and says that's a high price, he doesn't need gold but he'd be willing to trade for POF.
So imbuing ingredients just reached it's "fair" price. Inflation has been defeated. Bartering and social behavior has been brought back. Person 7 gets POF. Person 1 gets the ingredients he needs. Person 8 can go ... himself. All the choirs of angels can sing
It's just a shame that the potential for a living economy in this game has all but given way to the meal ticket, anti-social economy of Luna.
But I do feel your pain. I've been searching daily for corruption and dread horn mane on Pacific vendors for months to no avail. But maybe we shouldn't be able to find corruption and dread horn mane at the drop of a hat without paying a large premium? By the same token, maybe we shouldn't be able to SELL barbed leather at the drop of a hat without deeply discounting the price.
So let's take your shard today. Let's say you can't find more than 10 people. Well, could that be because the other 90 just buy all the barbed leather they need in Luna without being bothered to speak to anyone? And don't get me started about shard transfers and general chat. But I digress...
10 people scenario:
Person 1 wants imbuing ingredients. He asks the other 9. None of them are selling imbuing ingredients. A few days later, he asks again. Still, no one sells imbuing ingredients. Person 1 gets annoyed and explains that he is no warrior and can't get the materials he needs himself. Person 8 says he is running low on imbuing ingredients and will go on a materials gathering run and get enough to sell, but it's going to be at a premium because ingredients farming is very boring. Person 7 listens in and says that's a high price, he doesn't need gold but he'd be willing to trade for POF.
So imbuing ingredients just reached it's "fair" price. Inflation has been defeated. Bartering and social behavior has been brought back. Person 7 gets POF. Person 1 gets the ingredients he needs. Person 8 can go ... himself. All the choirs of angels can sing
It's just a shame that the potential for a living economy in this game has all but given way to the meal ticket, anti-social economy of Luna.
I believe you. That used to be my main shard.
Send me a PM and let me know if you still need PoF. I might have some BoDs with a chance for PoF jammed into the bank or my smith's backpack. If I have enough ingots to use, I might be able to give you a bottle or two, if that's enough. (Just so you're not one of those peeps making massive amounts of armor or something, like the guy who was buying 120k barbed leather yesterday. Sheesh.
)I don't understand the hate for luna, the same people who post the *INVADE LUNA ZOMG DO IT!* are the same people who would cry the first day that they can't find xy and z items on vendors. Luna is an extreme convenience in the game and should be embraced until a AH system is ever put in. As for the whole *luna killed social interaction* I call bs or ignorance. Social interaction died when Trammel was created/6 and 7 char slots/increased land masses developed. If you played back in 97-2000 you remember going to brit forge looking to get a suit of armor or your stuff repaired. If anything luna is the only hub in the game in which social interaction *outside friends/guilds* actually takes place. All in all embrace luna, stop crying about it, and look at the bigger picture.
Ahhh, there is still a market for barbed leather out there. Good to knowlike the guy who was buying 120k barbed leather yesterday. Sheesh.
He was buying it for 150 gp each. I don't know for sure, but my guess is that a PvP guild on this particular shard is quitting factions and needs to make replacement armor. That is certainly a ton of barbed leather, for sure.Ahhh, there is still a market for barbed leather out there. Good to know
When social interaction died in this game is another subject for debate.
The topic here is how did Luna affect social interaction overall. Help or hurt? Luna is the hub and an extreme convenience, yes, but everything shouldn't be "extreme convenience." If you think so, then let me suggest making Test Center your primary shard.
You're right, I've complained about not being able to find items on vendors, and I've also asked why isn't Luna invaded. Is that being hypocritical? I think not. Luna helped to break the UO economy, and doesn't offer an acceptable replacement for what we could have had.
The topic here is how did Luna affect social interaction overall. Help or hurt? Luna is the hub and an extreme convenience, yes, but everything shouldn't be "extreme convenience." If you think so, then let me suggest making Test Center your primary shard.
You're right, I've complained about not being able to find items on vendors, and I've also asked why isn't Luna invaded. Is that being hypocritical? I think not. Luna helped to break the UO economy, and doesn't offer an acceptable replacement for what we could have had.
And as I stated in my post it has helped it, if you couldn't figure that out may I suggest you take reading comprehension classes.
And actually the topic of this thread is why is luna always left off the *invasion city* list. The answer to that is Luna is the only social interaction hub left in the game. Case closed
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Tazar
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Social Interaction Hub? How can you be social with NPC Vendors and AFK Bank-sitters/spammers?
^ This, without luna there would be no economy, and there would be no social interaction because I would have no reason to go to town. I make my own crafting tools and craft my own stuff, and solo peerless for the most part.... No need for a city, except to buy stuff like POF and whatever artifacts I cant seem to farm myself. The game isn't the power house it was 10 + years ago, it can not support all those spread out cities. What more then likely would happen is everyone that you currently see would be on top of wbb instead of in center of Luna.
Not sure what server you play on but atl has far more than afkers at luna bank. People actually sell stuff and interact there. Perhaps you play a dead shard?
because without it you wouldn't see anyone else online in this game ( unless you play on one of the high population shards )
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Tazar
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I play Atlantic as my main - and several other shards. On Atlantic - there are many afk-sitters regularly - and the spammers are often a macro that is hard to get a response out of.
and, that's not what when on in Moonglow and all the other cities years ago ? Stuff like <@@@@@(X) WANT TO REPAIR YOUR GEAR!!! 5K !!!!! (X)@@@@@@> people some how think removing luna is going to change the social aspect of uo really ??
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Rusko
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No one ever seems to mention the fact that said search websites are using un-attended macro'ing or (bots/ghosts) to check vendors and you can clearly see these chars walk around, un-responsive to anyone... yet no one steps up because its an easy button for finding stuff...
You all complain about it tearing up the economy but no one wants to see what would happen if this was stopped...
Weigh your options and choose a side....
You all complain about it tearing up the economy but no one wants to see what would happen if this was stopped...
Weigh your options and choose a side....
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Anon McDougle
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All other debate aside would not invaders go where people and wealth were ?? and indeed they should ransack player vendors unless beaten back after all they seem upset at the 1%
I always like going to Haven on Europa, Atlantic, and the Japanese shards. It can be a very lively place and you really don't see people sitting there spamming to sell stuff because on many of those shards (maybe Atlantic is an exception), a good number of the people running around don't have the gold to buy anything. LOL In my eyes, Haven definitely is serving as a social gathering spot on those shards and it always makes me think there's some hope for the future of the game when I see folks there actually talking to each other and horsing around. (I'm always also hopeful when I visit those shards and see the many, many non-Luna shops that have stocked vendors.) There are also some times during the day/week that you will see groups of people on Formosa and some of the Japanese shards chatting and running around in the small area near the Luna stable. Reminds me of a few years back when I used to similar groups of people there on many of the North American shards.
Well that's nice. Luna helped social interaction because it's the current hub and vendor central. So a central, convenient, superior bank in the game is good, even if it wiped out variety and balance the game was designed with.
Any more thoughtful perspective or fallacious arguments on the subject? What about re-implementing features that players like in the game, in an attempt to slow down or stop a declining playerbase? Features the game was originally designed with, such as a variety of towns to choose from, each with their uniqueness, strengths, and weaknesses?
How about the case in yesteryear where you had multiple active banks because guilds would choose different banks they favor, which mostly stopped happening about the same time a central, superior bank (Luna) opened up?
A town being the current hub doesn't automatically make it a promotion to social interaction.
It sounds as if you have deeper issues with other aspects in the game and should address them in another thread. The original question proposed in this thread was why luna is never attacked. The answer is because its the only social interaction hub left in the game. You should go create another thread and have those questions answered.
Yes, I do have deeper issues with other aspects in the game
Ok, then. Why is Luna is never attacked? You say "because it's the only social interaction hub left in the game." I say "So? It makes easy pickins for invasion spawn. Even better for PKers if switched to a fel ruleset. With no notice given. Think shark baited waters."
Yes, I do have deeper issues with other aspects in the game
Ok, then. Why is Luna is never attacked? You say "because it's the only social interaction hub left in the game." I say "So? It makes easy pickins for invasion spawn. Even better for PKers if switched to a fel ruleset. With no notice given. Think shark baited waters."
Oh I agree and would love more pvp ruleset areas but you should know would happen? Luna would not be the hub and people would just move to another town, rinse repeat. UO is and will never be like it use to be. EA understands that and in order to maintain a effective business model for UO they must cater to the *dont lose my stuff, easy to track down stuff, and casual gamer* crowd. If you enjoy UO you should be happy that areas like Luna have not and will not be on the front lines of a "burn down the city loot everything" arc, it would be bad for business and thus you would be flirting with UO being scrapped as a whole scnerio. Like I said bro, embrace luna and chalk it up as a asset to UO.
I disagree. UO is moving further and further away from catering to the "casual gamer." But that's okay, it doesn't have to compete directly with the newest WoW or Diablo clone, nor should it try. UO's playerbase are those who want a deeper, more comprehensive, details-oriented sandbox game. That isn't to say however that we want systems that are inconsistent, counter-intuitive, and/or overly-complicated.
The problem is, the Dev teams it gets seem to be uninterested or incapable of improving upon a "deep" game and instead seem to prefer treating it like the WoW clones that it isn't, never was, and shouldn't be. Hence the declining playerbase.
If you want a thriving playerbase, you build the game to cater to a thriving playerbase, even if one doesn't currently exist. That means no centralizing everything and making 99% of the lands obsolete, even if there are just 10 players on a shard. If you want a dying playerbase, you build the game to cater to a dying playerbase. You will reap what you sow.
UO is still a great game, and I think I speak for most of it's playerbase, current and past, when I say that it just hurts to see it neglected and abused for so long. But I'll cling to the belief that even if it takes another 15 years, even if it takes EA pulling the plug and it becoming entirely a freeshard player-run game, UO will reach it's potential.
The problem is, the Dev teams it gets seem to be uninterested or incapable of improving upon a "deep" game and instead seem to prefer treating it like the WoW clones that it isn't, never was, and shouldn't be. Hence the declining playerbase.
If you want a thriving playerbase, you build the game to cater to a thriving playerbase, even if one doesn't currently exist. That means no centralizing everything and making 99% of the lands obsolete, even if there are just 10 players on a shard. If you want a dying playerbase, you build the game to cater to a dying playerbase. You will reap what you sow.
UO is still a great game, and I think I speak for most of it's playerbase, current and past, when I say that it just hurts to see it neglected and abused for so long. But I'll cling to the belief that even if it takes another 15 years, even if it takes EA pulling the plug and it becoming entirely a freeshard player-run game, UO will reach it's potential.
I say we need some more collectors and a big explosion Lets rip luna asunder! all player owned homes should suffer structural dmg and be put into a state of decay DESTROY THE VILE CITY OF LIGHT... will never happen i know but its nice to think of ways! and though i nolonger have a luna house i would have happily let it get destroyed if it meant the end of luna.
No you wouldn't
I could swear this same thread existed about Britain right before Luna was what it is.
I think the entire inner city of Luna bank and all should be burned to the ground... You can leave the silly housing rings but destroy all of the inner city... I would love that.
Of course you know what would happen then? Tokuno would become the new luna...
so make that city second on the list to be burned to the ground.
Personally I've always banked in either Yew or Skara Brae... Skara being my bank of choice.... and I've always loathed Luna.
Of course you know what would happen then? Tokuno would become the new luna...
so make that city second on the list to be burned to the ground.
Personally I've always banked in either Yew or Skara Brae... Skara being my bank of choice.... and I've always loathed Luna.
unlike most people i have no attatchment to pixel crack the addiction is not that great i can loose it all and keep playingNo you wouldn't
try playing a hardcore game for a few years then you might understand my sentiment! and i have lost it all a few times. a house is just a place to log in and out and store some junk can allways build another!
Played darkfall/UO back when it was just fel and siege when it was actually populated/Diablo Hardcore in which you droped all your stuff. I still call bs on your statement
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Woodsman
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Not really copying the WOW auction house. Maybe New Magincia's vendors, but not Luna.
A lot of things like the auction house are created/maintained to force people to come together. There is nothing really like it in UO. All of the facilities/services you can find in Luna, you can find several places elsewhere. Luna has a dense layout of houses within a few screens of the bank/shops, sure, but so what?
If I'm at a vendor house in Luna, I still have to walk/run/ride/recall/gate to get to the bank, and it's just as easy to recall/gate from a vendor house in Luna to the bank in Luna as it is to recall/gate from a vendor house in Luna to WBB.