I'm assuming you meant that if if someone has a problem with something, then it's up to them to figure it out, correct? In other words, the burden of proof and whatnot....You can't ask them to do the leg work, that's OUR job, and rightfully so...
Allie
Agreed. Scripting is not a problem nobody is affected by it.I personally think scripters are fine.
I do not want to spend my only amount of time I can play this game trying to find random valorite spots. Instead, I can just buy the ingots.
Who really cares to be honest.
I think in order for UO to be fixed, EM's have to quit giving out items, every gold coin in the game has to be deleted. and we have to go back to pre pub 16.
Until that happens, learn to live with the game as it is now. and unfortunetly that means dealing with resource gathering scripters.
Agreed. Scripting is not a problem nobody is affected by it.
Have to agree here. There really isn't much difference IMO between scripters and non-scripters doing the same activity as long as both are attended. Mainly referring to resource gathering and whatnot.Personally, I say to hell with it. Make it legal. As long as you are NOT UNATTENDED, who cares. If everyone can do it without risking losing your account then either join the club or quit yer pancakes.
Well yeah, I would complain too. I'm not filthy rich, 100m is still A LOT of gold to me lol. A handful of players being ridiculously rich is no reason to make everyone bankrupt.I think the dev's need to wipe all the gold, and start over.
but everyone would complain too much, so it will never happen.
Well yeah, I would complain too. I'm not filthy rich, 100m is still A LOT of gold to me lol. A handful of players being ridiculously rich is no reason to make everyone bankrupt.
Boo to that idea. :whip:
With Make max on tools, and uo assist macro's, scripting is very easy to do.
I personally think, when they made random mining and lj spots, they just encouraged scripters.
As for the comment of turning into NPC, I honestly have never heard of people doing that.
If you LJ 60K frost wood, you can sell for a lot more than NPC's will give you I would think.
Same with colored ore.
I think the biggest problem with scripting is the pvp aid, and the pvm aid scripts. resource gathering is the least of our concerns.
Do you know a castle on Atl shard can sell for as much as 1.5 billion gold?????
When I first started playing this game, a castle on Atl sold for 100m.
At at that time, that was a hell of a lot of gold.
Now, 1.5 B seems like a lot, but I bet a lot more people have that much than you think.
I think the dev's need to wipe all the gold, and start over.
but everyone would complain too much, so it will never happen.
/signedI personally think scripters are fine.
I do not want to spend my only amount of time I can play this game trying to find random valorite spots. Instead, I can just buy the ingots.
Who really cares to be honest.
I think in order for UO to be fixed, EM's have to quit giving out items, every gold coin in the game has to be deleted. and we have to go back to pre pub 16.
Until that happens, learn to live with the game as it is now. and unfortunetly that means dealing with resource gathering scripters.
Have to agree here. There really isn't much difference IMO between scripters and non-scripters doing the same activity as long as both are attended. Mainly referring to resource gathering and whatnot.
If they wanted to catch scripters the third party search sites would have had to shut down a long time ago. They are blatant and predictable and do not hide their activities.I have a feeling if GM's where to camp the blacksmith area's they are about to see a whole lot of scripters.
Apparently sometimes they do indeed catch ppl. And even terminate accounts. Never the really big fishes though. Of course not. They ban trial and/or dummy mule accounts.
And Tim continues on his rounds through Luna on every shard - probably the biggest and most openly visible slap in their face possible... up yours EA. lol.
And on that rarest of occasions, I agree fully with popps:I have to admit I'm seriously sick of the damned books placed all over Luna and at moongates every day on every shard.
It really is bizarre how openly scripting is accepted both by the developers and players.Yes, that is mostly incredible and I remain speechless at seeing that, every day making me realize how much serious ever was the reference to that "famous" spreadsheet, now about a year's old........
I wonder why Cal made that reference to that spreadsheet if, after a year, we are here to talk about this without much things changed.......
It is kinda depressing, and very upsetting, IMHO, and does not give me a good impression at all about the seriousness of the fight against cheating.
It really makes no sense to me whatsoever that like a year or so ago, now, you made that reference to that spreadsheet, Cal. Not after all this time past we are still here talking about this depressing issue in Ultima Online, cheating.
Would it be really possible, please, to know once and for all where the Developers stand on the issue of cheating in Ultima Online ??
To make scripters obsolete you make the item easy to get..... the easer it is the less a player will pay to buy it ..... hence the lower or obliteration of scripters other then skills that is.That's not remotely true! Until you can provide the understaffed, overworked Development Team with more than "we don't like scripters, they're bad" (sarcasm implied , hehe) we're going to have the situation we do now.
Run down this check list :
A) What's the problem?
B) What's causing the problem?
C) Who is making the problem?
D) What solutions can be found to resolve the problem?
If you can take your time and complete that, and then skip posting on stratics and PM the Devs that are in charge of whatever specific field your issue is in (Presumably Bleak or Phoenix since it's probably system based changes) We will start having accountable actions taken.
You can't ask them to do the leg work, that's OUR job, and rightfully so.
So to take the check list for example and complete it :
A) What's the Problem?
Scripting Resources (Mining/Lumberjacking) done on a large scale [6+ accounts] provides extremely large amounts of resources, which then get turned into crafted items and sold to NPC vendors for 'new' gold, or fill up vendors until the market reaches a saturation point and the player market price continues to decline.
B) What's causing the problem?
The resource system currently allows you to recall all over the world, smacking a tree, grabbing wood, recalling to your bank/house, dropping it in a secure and rinse/repeating until the end of time. It ends up being ~100 stones of product, every 15 seconds. From start to finish of a cycle.
The second part of the problem is that the NPC vendors will buy player crafted items at a standard price and don't "fill up" until they run out of gold. At which point you recall to a new vendor, and continue on the cycle , eventually the vendor will respawn with more gold.
C) I don't know names. This is more for Private Messaging Devs
D)
If you were to limit the total quantity of wood and ore farmed per account per day, you would be able to set hardcaps that could not be abused. Sure, someone could open up another 5-10 accounts to TRY and make up for it, but you'd have sealed the dam, to allow a faucet to drip. As long as this change was out of the scope of the regular (even hardcore) player, it'd be very beneficial. Even the most hardcore player is not recalling to tree -> swing -> bank -> drop every 15 seconds for 5 hours straight.
To test which items give the best bang for the buck when sold to an NPC, requires simply making a few of each carpentry and fletching item out of each wood type. Then checking the sell price/wood per item. This would show which items are most easily exploited, and could allow for a quick and simple mark down to be followed by a system change when Dev time was more available.
Not so hard, you just have to address the problem and take responsibility for finding a solution.
Allie
I agree with this.Personally, I say to hell with it. Make it legal. As long as you are NOT UNATTENDED, who cares. If everyone can do it without risking losing your account then either join the club or quit yer pancakes.
As long as you are physically sitting at your computer and can respond to a GM when they check in on you why does it matter anymore.
I fail to see why EMs should stop giving out items. EM items don't generate gold and the gold that people are paying one another for those items already existed; player-to-player transactions is nothing more than existing gold going from one person to another. Going pre pub 16 also wouldn't fix anything either. Gold existing in the game now is a combination of long-time players accumulating their gold over a long period of time with no gold sink and in rare cases being the cause of duping, that's it. Have to remember that some players have been in this game a long long time and as a result kept saving all the gold they got the whole time.I think in order for UO to be fixed, EM's have to quit giving out items, every gold coin in the game has to be deleted. and we have to go back to pre pub 16.
Until that happens, learn to live with the game as it is now. and unfortunetly that means dealing with resource gathering scripters.
- That would be great; but I'm having a problem with the underlying math.... hopefully by the end of the year.
nope, I don't.Want to catch scripters?
Actually, you can. It's called Imbuing. Shrugs. Don't even need runics now.I guess you could go back to the days when it took a year or more to get a val hammer...you can't have instant gratification in UO without somebody scripting.
Guess the people who want to ban scripters don't really like playing UO.
If they were to ban everyone who scripts in this game today, EA would have to pull the plug on UO within a month because they will have banned 80% of the accounts. It's not like UO is attracting new players anymore, they don't even advertise the game. Vets returning probably account for the majority of new subscriptions. Most people who script have multiple accounts, BOD runners may have up to 40 or 50 accounts that they pay $120 a year each for. Scripting is not free, it is probably the only reason EA justifies keeping the servers plugged in not to mention pay developers for new content.
UO has always been about risk vs reward. Scripting has always been a part of UO, legal or not. To some players the risk of scripting is well worth the reward. To other players the fruits of scripting is well worth it too, imagine paying 10 times as much for resources. I guess you could go back to the days when it took a year or more to get a val hammer...you can't have instant gratification in UO without somebody scripting.
It's pretty nearsighted to want to ban people from a game that is basically on lifesupport when you compare it to WOW or COD. If you dont play on Atlantic and you think your server is empty now, lol.
Scripting is a plain consequence of the fact that some in game activities are neither enjoyable or challenging, just time consuming.
Less grinding, more fun and scripting won't be a necessary evil anymore.
The answer to your question is very obvious. They do not make scripting officially "legal" because they need to keep up appearances.Then, if I may ask, why is there an Official Policy which clearly states that these (as you call them...) "neither enjoyable or challenging, just time consuming" activities are not scriptable as this is a non allowed activity ?
If there is anything in the game that justifies scripting, then why the damn Official policy is not changed for good making it legal for all players to script without any harm done to their accounts ?
I am NOT saying (even though I would much prefer it...) that scripting should go, I am saying that "IF" scripting is not wanted to go, whatever the reasons, THEN, as a natural consequence of this CHOICE, the Official policy should be CHANGED and scripting be made Officially Allowed.
Is this something so much difficult to do ? Just be CLEAR in what players are either not allowed OR not allowed to do.
No scripting OR YES scripting but PLEASE, be CLEAR in what you want players to do once and for all about scripting !!!
I just find it intolerable that we have an Official Policy which says NO but then the reality is different. This is a NONSENSE, IMHO.