Weird template

[tassloff]

Just looking around for a new template, and I found a strange one :
・weapon skill 115
・ninjutsu　120
・music　120
・disco　110
・necro　　100
・SS　　90
・chiv　　65

How does this template work ? What is the ninjutsu for ? Is it for death strike ?
How can it be just weapon skill without tactic or anatomy ?

 

[Mirt]

Just looking around for a new template, and I found a strange one :
・weapon skill 115
・ninjutsu　120
・music　120
・disco　110
・necro　　100
・SS　　90
・chiv　　65

How does this template work ? What is the ninjutsu for ? Is it for death strike ?
How can it be just weapon skill without tactic or anatomy ?

That looks like an old template that doesn't work all that well anymore. I am guess that based on the chiv. There are ways to make something that off the wall work and there are probably certain things in game that it will work well with but its far to niche to be of much use imo.

 

[Taylor]

I don't understand it. A disco/sampire or a disco/necro would be more effective.

 

[Mirt]

I don't understand it. A disco/sampire or a disco/necro would be more effective.

Not really all that useful a sampire without tactics I wouldn't trust your hit ratio to damage ratio.

 

[Taylor]

I don't understand it. A disco/sampire or a disco/necro would be more effective.

Not really all that useful a sampire without tactics I wouldn't trust your hit ratio to damage ratio.

Exactly. Looks like they tried to choose both. My point is, sticking with one or the other would be more effective than trying to fit both.

I still don't get the weapon skill without tactics. There's death strike and specials, but I associate those more with PvP...and this template has music/disco, which would be fairly useless in PvP. I don't get it.

 

[Mirt]

Exactly. Looks like they tried to choose both. My point is, sticking with one or the other would be more effective than trying to fit both.

I still don't get the weapon skill without tactics. There's death strike and specials, but I associate those more with PvP...and this template has music/disco, which would be fairly useless in PvP. I don't get it.

It might have been before the tactics requirement was added in that is my guess the 65 chiv is to high to be just for SJ and you can always recall in wraith form anyway and yet its to low for after the great chiv nerf. It seems dysfunctional at best.

 

[tassloff]

Thanks for the reply

The source (here) is from June 2010. Was the tactics requirement later than that ?

I was looking for a disco/warrior template and saw the picture (Balron Paragorn), so I thougth it could have been a good template ....

PS:It seems he uses a Soul Seeker.

 

[Mirt]

Pretty sure tactics came in before that. Huh this is something that is going to take some testing. I am already looking in doing some things on test after saturday I can sure add this to my list. Even if its only to see how it can be used.

 

[tassloff]

One year later (July 2011) the guy decide to increase chiv and decrease SS because of some changes (maybe pub 71) about Consecrate Weapon and Enemy of One.(spell duration based on skill instead of karma)
chiv 100
SS 55

Just looked at Ninjitsu again and it seems you can get 90% chance of parry (non magical damage) with mirror image at 120 Ninjutsu for a 10 mana cost.

If you can leech the mana for mirror image and some life leech for the magical attack, could it work ?

 

[Mirt]

One year later (July 2011) the guy decide to increase chiv and decrease SS because of some changes (maybe pub 71) about Consecrate Weapon and Enemy of One.(spell duration based on skill instead of karma)
chiv 100
SS 55

Just looked at Ninjitsu again and it seems you can get 90% chance of parry (non magical damage) with mirror image at 120 Ninjutsu for a 10 mana cost.

If you can leech the mana for mirror image and some life leech for the magical attack, could it work ?

It COULD work but it doesn't seem all that reliable. Your not going to hit all that regularly on higher end mobs. It seems almost like someone really wanted a discoer and decided that was the key and then built around that. There are just better temps for it. This is all over the place and while it COULD work in a group I don't think its worth all the trouble. I also doubt it will work as well as a diso tamer.

 

[Thunderz]

I think it was just for lower end stuff that could be discored so your gona hit for more with it.
weapon skill 115 plus eoo, consicrate, in vamp form[plus necro spells] for some damage if you need to survive to get the healing.
・ninjutsu　120 this is probably for hiding and getting away fast if ya need to.
・music　120 and disco to make them more hittable.
・SS　　90 probably for spirit speak to heal

It has alot of ways to heal and get away fast with some damage spells. I think it would make an ok tank in a group who do the damage while you sit there just healing yourself after you discod it getting hit and casting mirror images constantly.

Im gona go on tests and check it out see if i can just stand there and take it

Thunderz

 

[Klapauc]

Just looked at the damage numbers one could do without tactics and anat on such a char. To my surprise, they are not so bad as i did think first. If you can use a slayer weapon, that template would be usable even against high end mobs.
Weapon skill and disco need to be 120 ofc, more chiv is needed these days, resulting in less spirit speak, but char seems at least usable to me.

 

[CorwinXX]

Just looked at the damage numbers one could do without tactics and anat on such a char.

You can do well without anatomy but without tactics you can't use special moves.

It should be very difficult to kill high end monsters doing 40 damage per hit.

 

[Klapauc]

You can do well without anatomy but without tactics you can't use special moves.

It should be very difficult to kill high end monsters doing 40 damage per hit.

If stratics combat calculator is correct, a diamond mace at 100 di ,125 str and 20 tactics/anat from joat does 37-45 base damage. That would be 111-135 if you reach cap.
Now figure in the resists and lower skills a discorded monster has and the fact that you can stack life leech from vampiric embrace and curse weapon.
Does not look so bad to me. Chiv for eoo and consecrate. Ninja for images and an estimated 30% bonus from focus attack.

Or run the char in wraith form for mana leech and use the discord bard masteries.
May even drop necro a bit and raise chiv to 120 and only use wraith form , curse weapon and bard masteries.
I wonder about the ninjitsu here, maybe bushido would be better.

I still think that template is a bit silly and lacks a real purpose , but with a group or if you like exotic builds it could be fun.

 

[Mirt]

I think we all agree it can sorta work. The question then is why? If you like hamstringing yourself then yeah this is possible, but your not really getting the benefits of anything to anywhere near their full extent. Also healing is going to be a big issue. Also those heavy hitting weapons are slow and I wouldn't trust hitting often enough without tactics to make it work out well.

 

[Klapauc]

I think we all agree it can sorta work. The question then is why? If you like hamstringing yourself then yeah this is possible, but your not really getting the benefits of anything to anywhere near their full extent. Also healing is going to be a big issue. Also those heavy hitting weapons are slow and I wouldn't trust hitting often enough without tactics to make it work out well.

There are people that do not go for the most uber template, some actually like weird stuff and have fun with that. Why not.
I have no way to test how well such a char would work with bard masteries, but if it does it could be fun and unique.

Im really tempted to build a modified version of that template.

 

[Mirt]

There are people that do not go for the most uber template, some actually like weird stuff and have fun with that. Why not.
I have no way to test how well such a char would work with bard masteries, but if it does it could be fun and unique.

Im really tempted to build a modified version of that template.

I like the odd temps too. That being said I would feel the need to get some tactics in there or switch it to throwing. That way I wouldn't have to be ontop of what I am fighting. Which I think would increase the chance of staying alive.

 

[Thunderz]

Iv been playing 10 years and didnt build a sammy till sa came out, it just didnt intrest me to kil kill kill for loot i like being creative

Someone was creative in the first place to figure out a sammys power by mixing those skills.
Same with tamer archers, some one has to be creative in the first place for everyone else to catch on it worked so well.

Thats whats good about UO being a sandbox.

Thunderz

 

[Mirt]

Your right I love messing with things. But there is a large gear component now as well which means there is a lot of math. Of course that can be so much fun for some of us. In this case the OP asked how would this work and I think we answered well it would to some extent and listed the positives but then listed the negatives. Of course we did ignore the suit elements of this temp which would be the lost of mods to getting 100LRC but it can work, but its not going to work all that well sadly.

 

[tassloff]

Thanks !

Yeah thanks everyone ! I think I 've got a good idea now how this template works
I understood that it wont be as good as a sampire but can be a good template for a change )

 

[CorwinXX]

You can do well without anatomy but without tactics you can't use special moves.

It should be very difficult to kill high end monsters doing 40 damage per hit.

If stratics combat calculator is correct, a diamond mace at 100 di ,125 str and 20 tactics/anat from joat does 37-45 base damage. That would be 111-135 if you reach cap.
Now figure in the resists and lower skills a discorded monster has and the fact that you can stack life leech from vampiric embrace and curse weapon.
Does not look so bad to me. Chiv for eoo and consecrate. Ninja for images and an estimated 30% bonus from focus attack.

How he can reach cap without lesser slayer?
As to my very little experience the most monsters that have few k hp have all resists 50+.
I'm not sure but it seems that disco doesn't affect resistances.
65 chivalry is pretty useless for eoo and concentrate. Depending on karma (difficult to maintain for a necromancer) it may give you 30% di bonus and 5 sec concenrate with 50% chance to hit in the lowest resist.

As to me this char looks like a necromacer (caster-bard) which got 115 weapon skills for some reasons. May be mana leach from weapon attacks helps him to maintain mastery. Images help him to don't get hits that break mastery. It's looks like support char for "play in party" only.

 

[Thunderz]

How he can reach cap without lesser slayer?
As to my very little experience the most monsters that have few k hp have all resists 50+.
I'm not sure but it seems that disco doesn't affect resistances.
65 chivalry is pretty useless for eoo and concentrate. Depending on karma (difficult to maintain for a necromancer) it may give you 30% di bonus and 5 sec concenrate with 50% chance to hit in the lowest resist.

As to me this char looks like a necromacer (caster-bard) which got 115 weapon skills for some reasons. May be mana leach from weapon attacks helps him to maintain mastery. Images help him to don't get hits that break mastery. It's looks like support char for "play in party" only.

You have to remember its a template from 2010 so mastery, the new chiv change etc, alot has changed since then.

Thunderz

 

[CorwinXX]

In 2010 I haven't played this game yet .