Oh I agree... I freak out thinking that something like that could happen to one of my houses. I could NEVER play that game.
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Re: why couldn't we do this? (multi house accounts)
Just to chime in with my .02 ....
I would like to see the 2nd house as paid option with these caveats
- max size of 10 x 10
- couldn't be on the same shard that you already own a house
- 2nd house could not be traded / sold
I would prefer a one time fee for the extra house option, but would consider a small monthly fee too. (I would also consider a fee structure based on shard population [an Atlantic 2nd house option would cost more than say a Sonoma 2nd house option])
I don't need anymore storage on my home shard, but as time passes I have more and more chars on different shards. A house makes it a lot easier to get the chars established and trained up. That's what I would be using the 2nd house option for.
Poo is not only jealous that I have a grandfathered housing account, he hates that I get my 14 year vet rewards 3 months before he does. A fact that I remind him of every year.
(Don't those transfer shields look pretty ;-)
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Just to chime in with my .02 ....
I would like to see the 2nd house as paid option with these caveats
- max size of 10 x 10
- couldn't be on the same shard that you already own a house
- 2nd house could not be traded / sold
I would prefer a one time fee for the extra house option, but would consider a small monthly fee too. (I would also consider a fee structure based on shard population [an Atlantic 2nd house option would cost more than say a Sonoma 2nd house option])
I don't need anymore storage on my home shard, but as time passes I have more and more chars on different shards. A house makes it a lot easier to get the chars established and trained up. That's what I would be using the 2nd house option for.
Poo is not only jealous that I have a grandfathered housing account, he hates that I get my 14 year vet rewards 3 months before he does. A fact that I remind him of every year.
(Don't those transfer shields look pretty ;-)
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I have only one account and my husband has one account. We each have a max storage house. I will not pay for any more accounts just to get more storage.
However, I might consider paying a little extra (would prefer it to be one time) to get an extra house on my home shard even if it were small. Don't really need it for storage, mostly I'd like it for deco, because I want to have a tavern, and a stable, and a closet and a whole lot of different things that just won't all fit into one house. Or, I'd like to have it so I could put it into a community area say for roleplaying and yet still have a full max storage size house elsewhere.
However, I might consider paying a little extra (would prefer it to be one time) to get an extra house on my home shard even if it were small. Don't really need it for storage, mostly I'd like it for deco, because I want to have a tavern, and a stable, and a closet and a whole lot of different things that just won't all fit into one house. Or, I'd like to have it so I could put it into a community area say for roleplaying and yet still have a full max storage size house elsewhere.
Isnt it in the current time anyway the case, that secondary accounts solely kept for house holding are often closed for around 90 days and only be paid for the 4th quarter of 120 days?
So a second full house without limitations added to one account, which would have to be kept open with changed decay rules for the double house (payment stops, decay starts for the non primary house), could have a fee of 5 USD more per month, which would increase the income from those players by 5 Dollar within a period of 120 days and reduce the system/management costs a little bit, since there is less handling necessary for activating/deactivating accounts.
Or consider making this kind of account an Origin super account granting also access to some other EA games, which would also improve the .
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So a second full house without limitations added to one account, which would have to be kept open with changed decay rules for the double house (payment stops, decay starts for the non primary house), could have a fee of 5 USD more per month, which would increase the income from those players by 5 Dollar within a period of 120 days and reduce the system/management costs a little bit, since there is less handling necessary for activating/deactivating accounts.
Or consider making this kind of account an Origin super account granting also access to some other EA games, which would also improve the .
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I would like to place more houses, like the way we could before they changed this in 2001 or 2002 I think...
I would NOT be willing to pay anything extra for it. I believe it should be free of charge, just to reward those of us that still play this game (and still overpay way too much imho)...
Especially with all the problems we've had with account transfers to a new system, new management, new everything...
Call it a goodwill gesture...
I would NOT be willing to pay anything extra for it. I believe it should be free of charge, just to reward those of us that still play this game (and still overpay way too much imho)...
Especially with all the problems we've had with account transfers to a new system, new management, new everything...
Call it a goodwill gesture...
More rewards lol?
Your account must be bugged because each year you should have received vet rewards.
I assume your 'bugged' account has also not been receiving the Holiday rewards?
What about the clean-up brit rewards?
You are still overpaying for your accounts? Have you ever compared the cost of an original account to the price of an account today? Not much difference. Considering inflation in general your account today is almost a steal so to speak.
Please...
Hmmmm... Aren't they looking for a good gold sink? Make it to where you can give an extra crazy huge mc big large amount of gold to an NPC for your house, and dependent on how much is given to the NPC, would determine the size the house could be. Like.. 7x7 would be like 7 million.. 18x18 would be like 180million.. or something crazy like that. Only 1 extra per account, so if you wanted it on your home shard, you could do it there, or on an off shard do it there. It should be handled like the co-operative turn ins at the library zoo, etc, but only take gold from a player not other items.
I think this satisfies some who are looking for a worthwhile gold sink, (way better than some stinking dyes), and also satisfies those who want/need extra storage. Thoughts?
I think this satisfies some who are looking for a worthwhile gold sink, (way better than some stinking dyes), and also satisfies those who want/need extra storage. Thoughts?
I've suggested renting a second house for in-game gold before. I think it's a good idea.
It could be a good gold sink. As a continuous monthly gold payment, instead of a one-time payment, it's a great gold sink.
Keep it a small plot at a reasonable cost so as to make it attractive. It gives everyone an option for a second home but with reduced size and storage, it's not likely to cause any account closings.
It could be a good gold sink. As a continuous monthly gold payment, instead of a one-time payment, it's a great gold sink.
Keep it a small plot at a reasonable cost so as to make it attractive. It gives everyone an option for a second home but with reduced size and storage, it's not likely to cause any account closings.
Since your name is Goldberg-Chessy, I assume you're playing Chesapeake, and I assume you're from the USA. If not, I apologise in advance for the generalization...
Yes, I overpay, I'm from europe and I pay more money for my account than you ever did, or ever will. While you're happily paying in american dollars, I pay the same ammount, but with a euro currency mark in front of it...
I´m going to ignore the rest of your sarcastic remarks about rewarding players, you obviously disagree with me and that's fine, just not going to stoop to your level...
Well, Ezekiel, that could be an option too, but there is just ALOT of gold floating around in the game, so the way big house idea would be a good idea too. I think it's a viable idea for gold sinkage imo, and could use some fleshing out.
It shouldn't have to be super complicated, show up at an NPC, they have some easy to understand menus to float around through, and in a sense bank some gold on them (non refundable ofc), and the amount of gold on that NPC basically gives you the "entitlement" to place a second house on the shard that you started giving money to, but only 1 extra house per account. It doesn't just automatically just give you a house in some nifty area that wasn't accessible before but rather like I said "entitlement" to do so. Possibly make it to when you hit a certain tier like 7x7 for instance, and you place that house, then it erases all credit previously donated to that npc, so if you wanted to upsize you'd have to start from 0 gold again, or the amount left over from placing a 7x7 is still used to go to the entitlement of a bigger 2nd home. Perhaps a "rent" method is needed, like you suggested, or some mishmashed combination of both, you pay for your entitlement to place a 2nd house, and need to pay it's upkeep based on the size (possibly a percentage of the entitlement to place that sized house or some other percentage like how much gold is kept on that account --- which could lead to people just storing gold on a different account and possibly just impossible to do in the first place hehe --- or something that we aren't thinking of already).
I hope they put some brain power into some of the recent ideas that have been creeping up on the boards lately, anything from new pictures to extra houses, all seems fitting for us! We've been keeping the game possible for them for a LONG time! So show us some love on something we're actually asking for! Sheesh gold check books were even mentioned. SOT books (didn't see anyone ask for those but those were nice!), awesome. Community collections were awesome when they were introduced, I think those need to get a revamp though, or some new goodies offered through them which could be whole other gold sink idea. So many juicy juicy ideas here, don't let them slip away ^ _^
Edited for spelling and sleep depravity!
It shouldn't have to be super complicated, show up at an NPC, they have some easy to understand menus to float around through, and in a sense bank some gold on them (non refundable ofc), and the amount of gold on that NPC basically gives you the "entitlement" to place a second house on the shard that you started giving money to, but only 1 extra house per account. It doesn't just automatically just give you a house in some nifty area that wasn't accessible before but rather like I said "entitlement" to do so. Possibly make it to when you hit a certain tier like 7x7 for instance, and you place that house, then it erases all credit previously donated to that npc, so if you wanted to upsize you'd have to start from 0 gold again, or the amount left over from placing a 7x7 is still used to go to the entitlement of a bigger 2nd home. Perhaps a "rent" method is needed, like you suggested, or some mishmashed combination of both, you pay for your entitlement to place a 2nd house, and need to pay it's upkeep based on the size (possibly a percentage of the entitlement to place that sized house or some other percentage like how much gold is kept on that account --- which could lead to people just storing gold on a different account and possibly just impossible to do in the first place hehe --- or something that we aren't thinking of already).
I hope they put some brain power into some of the recent ideas that have been creeping up on the boards lately, anything from new pictures to extra houses, all seems fitting for us! We've been keeping the game possible for them for a LONG time! So show us some love on something we're actually asking for! Sheesh gold check books were even mentioned. SOT books (didn't see anyone ask for those but those were nice!), awesome. Community collections were awesome when they were introduced, I think those need to get a revamp though, or some new goodies offered through them which could be whole other gold sink idea. So many juicy juicy ideas here, don't let them slip away ^ _^
Edited for spelling and sleep depravity!
Here's an idea. How about an entitlement in say, the next booster pack, that allows an account to lease a second house. So in a booster pack, EA of course makes some cash, and the player, like the commodity vendors, gets the ability to participate in this game feature.
Once entitled, a player can then place a small plot on a lease basis. On a monthly basis you have to have gold in the house owning characters bank to pay for the lease.
7x7 1 million gp/month
9x9 2.5 million gp/month
10x10 3 million gp/month
12x12 4 million gp/month
15x15 5 million gp/month
The idea isn't to make it suck billions of gold out of the game. That won't work. People just wouldn't participate. It's a great gold sink. This is gold that is completely removed from the game. The super rich could easily place a 15x15. That's 60 million gp removed from the game every year per player. I myself, I like unique spots. I'd be totally satisfied with an additional 7x7 on all four of my main accounts. That's 48 million gp removed from the game every year just for me.
I think if you keep the storage low, that satisfies the ones who would argue that EA would never do this. Players are not going to close down an account with an 18x18 or other MAX storage house if they do it right. Hell I'd be fine with 250 lockdowns.
It's perfect. It's an account upgrade and entitlement through a booster pack just like the previous three storage upgrades were and it's an attractive gold sink.
Once entitled, a player can then place a small plot on a lease basis. On a monthly basis you have to have gold in the house owning characters bank to pay for the lease.
7x7 1 million gp/month
9x9 2.5 million gp/month
10x10 3 million gp/month
12x12 4 million gp/month
15x15 5 million gp/month
The idea isn't to make it suck billions of gold out of the game. That won't work. People just wouldn't participate. It's a great gold sink. This is gold that is completely removed from the game. The super rich could easily place a 15x15. That's 60 million gp removed from the game every year per player. I myself, I like unique spots. I'd be totally satisfied with an additional 7x7 on all four of my main accounts. That's 48 million gp removed from the game every year just for me.
I think if you keep the storage low, that satisfies the ones who would argue that EA would never do this. Players are not going to close down an account with an 18x18 or other MAX storage house if they do it right. Hell I'd be fine with 250 lockdowns.
It's perfect. It's an account upgrade and entitlement through a booster pack just like the previous three storage upgrades were and it's an attractive gold sink.
Wow, Ezekiel that's awesome!
Good for everyone involved I'd say, be kinda rough for those who aren't already financially stable, but you know if you aren't financially established chances are you aren't in need of a 2nd storage home, or a 2nd playable shard because you're still learning game mechanics or building your first get out there and get it done character.
Good for everyone involved I'd say, be kinda rough for those who aren't already financially stable, but you know if you aren't financially established chances are you aren't in need of a 2nd storage home, or a 2nd playable shard because you're still learning game mechanics or building your first get out there and get it done character.
Wow... It's good to see all the different and creative ideas people are coming up with regarding how a second small house might be introduced without jeopardizing the continuation of present accounts. It would be nice if the Devs would take a look at the possibilities presented and seriously consider making it happen.
Have a wonderful holiday, everyone. Other than doing an occasional ship-refresh, I'll be away from UO for a while... daughter is flying in today and until after the first of the year most of my time is going to be spent with my non-UO-playing family.
A special "thank you" to Poo for starting this thread and getting us thinking about this.
Have a wonderful holiday, everyone. Other than doing an occasional ship-refresh, I'll be away from UO for a while... daughter is flying in today and until after the first of the year most of my time is going to be spent with my non-UO-playing family.
A special "thank you" to Poo for starting this thread and getting us thinking about this.
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Well, this ain't gonna be a popular post in this thread I don't think.
Sorry but, 2nd house on an accout = really bad idea. On the emptier shards there would be hardly any issues, but on the busiest shards it would be a nightmare for anyone starting up or a returning vet to find any decent real estate. Sure they could still find a 7x7 or maybe even an 8x12, but the chances of them finding an 18x18 would be slim.
If the issue is storage then I say instead of paying an additional fee per month for another house, just pay an additional fee for increased storage per month. Say another $10 gives you an additional 1500 storage or so. Or take the idea of a gold sink and apply that to additional storage.
Sorry but, 2nd house on an accout = really bad idea. On the emptier shards there would be hardly any issues, but on the busiest shards it would be a nightmare for anyone starting up or a returning vet to find any decent real estate. Sure they could still find a 7x7 or maybe even an 8x12, but the chances of them finding an 18x18 would be slim.
If the issue is storage then I say instead of paying an additional fee per month for another house, just pay an additional fee for increased storage per month. Say another $10 gives you an additional 1500 storage or so. Or take the idea of a gold sink and apply that to additional storage.
Well, that's looking at it from a new perspective I suppose.
I think though, that housing would increase in value, or perhaps decrease but, the gold sink aspect of it makes the gold have more value, and the housing trades could continue.. let's say a vet returns to let's say Atlantic for instance, and they want to buy a house. Nothing is stopping them from purchasing one from another player, and I'm sure the housing market would adjust due to the amount of ingame currency getting tossed at the ideas.
I more often than not see people who return after a long break just go to general chat and start spamming for max storage houses instead of taking the time to look for a nice sized plot on their own.. Though I still bump into the occasional returning vet who's scouring the country side looking for a place on their own. I think though, to get really established on a separate server it's dooky unless you have even like a 7x7 to work out of. Sure there are crafting stations in most cities, and you can get to a bank fairly quickly from those stations, but then there's the distributing those items to other characters on that account that become the problem. There's always leaving a sack full of goods on the ground and running to it on the other character to pick it up, but there's a risk there that some people just don't want to take. Not that risky, I don't think there's been a single time I left something like that for myself and lost anything (and if I did, it obviously wasn't valuable enough for me to remember it), but still some just would toss the idea right out the window. I think it's definitely worth considering for devs to think about this and implement it into the game.
It could be a "theme pack" or "booster" or whatever the official term they are giving these little mini expansions so they'd make some cash money, (which hopefully don't hurt them!), and let's us have a little more fun on other servers or even our "home" servers.
Edit -- Also thinking about it a little more, bundle it with a transfer token or 2, for like 19.99 or something!
I think though, that housing would increase in value, or perhaps decrease but, the gold sink aspect of it makes the gold have more value, and the housing trades could continue.. let's say a vet returns to let's say Atlantic for instance, and they want to buy a house. Nothing is stopping them from purchasing one from another player, and I'm sure the housing market would adjust due to the amount of ingame currency getting tossed at the ideas.
I more often than not see people who return after a long break just go to general chat and start spamming for max storage houses instead of taking the time to look for a nice sized plot on their own.. Though I still bump into the occasional returning vet who's scouring the country side looking for a place on their own. I think though, to get really established on a separate server it's dooky unless you have even like a 7x7 to work out of. Sure there are crafting stations in most cities, and you can get to a bank fairly quickly from those stations, but then there's the distributing those items to other characters on that account that become the problem. There's always leaving a sack full of goods on the ground and running to it on the other character to pick it up, but there's a risk there that some people just don't want to take. Not that risky, I don't think there's been a single time I left something like that for myself and lost anything (and if I did, it obviously wasn't valuable enough for me to remember it), but still some just would toss the idea right out the window. I think it's definitely worth considering for devs to think about this and implement it into the game.
It could be a "theme pack" or "booster" or whatever the official term they are giving these little mini expansions so they'd make some cash money, (which hopefully don't hurt them!), and let's us have a little more fun on other servers or even our "home" servers.
Edit -- Also thinking about it a little more, bundle it with a transfer token or 2, for like 19.99 or something!
Well that's always been one of the long time arguments against allowing more than one house per account. It certainly could become an issue IF all of a sudden there were a large influx of new and returning players. Does anyone really see that happening? Ever? I certainly don't. Why not give the rest of us something many of us have been asking for for years? They've changed the housing rules several times in the past, they can certainly change them again and/or change them back if it were ever necessary.
In my case at least, it has nothing to do with storage. I'm not a huge packrat. None of my houses is over 75% capacity.
But seriously, do you really foresee a thousand or even a few hundred new players or returning vets coming? I think that argument has run it's course. It ain't gonna happen. If UO survives another two years, five years or ten years, does anyone really believe the subscription base is gonna grow much?
Plus, it's not like every account is gonna place a second house. My ideas at least require, one, that the account be upgraded and two, that the second house is paid for in gold on a monthly basis. The houses are small and the lockdowns should be low. Not everyone is gonna want that.
You obviously have math/economy comprehension issues.
My point was quite clearly that relative to general inflation the current cost of a UO sub is very low(not based on % btw)
What you are actually paying was not a factor. What a sub cost when UO was created compared to what a sub cost now was the whole point. Exchange rate has nothing to do with this.
Nice job ignoring the fact that I also pointed out that you get rewards heaped on you all year long though. Nothing to say about that after complaining that you want more rewards? Thought so.
About the only we agree on is that I did disagree with what you originally posted.
You did nothing except say that UO is a rip-off and that you want more rewards. IMO that statement was false(economically)and extremely greedy since we all know that you get the buttload of rewards that I pointed out and you couldnt deny.
On topic though I will say that IMO it is high time for the Devs to start tweaking the current housing system. Even allowing 1 house on only 1 other shard of choice would be nice. If they could fix the bs 120 day payment scam it would probably open up so much more land that even Atlantic would have no problem with the new x-shard houses. Assuming that people are still able to scam the payment system as in the past.
No offense but I always get a good chuckle when anyone mentions or asks for a gold sink.
Long ago did someone climb down a mountain holding a tablet that said 'gold sink' ?
Its like a cult mantra. The people asking for it have no clue what it actually is but they just keep dreamily repeating it. gooold sink... gooold sink... gooold sink...
Wake up folks. There is no need to make legit gold disappear from anywhere. It will change nothing. Illegal gold though is another issue entirely.
I'm not asking for it, but I do know exactly what it is. It has been mentioned though in developer interviews that they are interested in reducing the amount of ingame currency in circulation (what the term gold sink refers to, in case you do not know what the term means), and this was a suggestion to address that and what the originator of this thread is interested in, a 2nd house. And to answer your initial question, yes a man did descend from a mountain top with a tablet chanting the mantra gold sink. His name was *dies*.
You obviously have some economy comprehension issues of your own if you think real life currency inflation is making the game´s monthly sub cheaper. What, every player's real life monthly paycheck has also increased subjectively? If you can proof that that is indeed the case, you might have a point.
Nice job in ignoring the fact that I pay in euros and you pay in dollars. Nice job in ignoring the fact that we started out paying 9,95 in '97 and that they increased the monthly pay in 2002 to 12,95. Nice job in ignoring the fact that we still pay full price for a game which, for EA, is low on maintenance and is 14 years old, understaffed and without finished major updates in over a year and a half. Yay, I get reward options everytime 12 months have passed, you're obviously satisfied to the max with the cookie EA gives you. I'm not...
Way to twist my words...
If being of the opinion that all of UO's current players deserve more from EA than what we are currently getting makes me an 'extremely greedy' player, so be it. I personally believe it's worth asking for more, since we've been giving so generously to them over the years. Insult me all you want, I don't care...
I used to play on more than one shard, but when they changed the house rules, I had to drop the small houses I had there. If I would be able to give my characters on those shard(s) a home again I would be delighted, so I fully agree with you on that point...
Re: why couldn't we do this? (multi house accounts)
every night in TS your remind me..... every..... night.....
hahaha
so i guess if the people who actually already HAVE these accounts agree with us that this should be an option for all of us we should petition the high command to have a look at this as a option for us, the slaves in the galley of the boat manning the oars!
yes
every night in TS your remind me..... every..... night.....
hahaha
so i guess if the people who actually already HAVE these accounts agree with us that this should be an option for all of us we should petition the high command to have a look at this as a option for us, the slaves in the galley of the boat manning the oars!
While I dont think I should have to pay for a second house.... on second thought if its the only way other players can even go to another shard and play I'm all for it.(within reason$ wise)
I looked over all my accounts and even if my 15 th reward idea was put in.... i'd not get to use it. You see most of my older accounts have more then 1 house on them... I was smart before they changed and set up a few spare houses for my needs...... and i wasnt alone in that.
So you see even if they gave us the way to "buy" a second... could a grandfathered use it??? Knowing the Dev as I do..... the answer is no. Their reason will be sound in their minds..
I'd love to have UO go on past its 20th year and more but lets be honest how long can it go without fresh players joining can we go?
The limits placed on us from years past should be lifted and give UO a chance to pull more players back in and hopefully they pull more in along with them.
I looked over all my accounts and even if my 15 th reward idea was put in.... i'd not get to use it. You see most of my older accounts have more then 1 house on them... I was smart before they changed and set up a few spare houses for my needs...... and i wasnt alone in that.
So you see even if they gave us the way to "buy" a second... could a grandfathered use it??? Knowing the Dev as I do..... the answer is no. Their reason will be sound in their minds..
I'd love to have UO go on past its 20th year and more but lets be honest how long can it go without fresh players joining can we go?
The limits placed on us from years past should be lifted and give UO a chance to pull more players back in and hopefully they pull more in along with them.
Nice post Lady Storm.
Ok should of said SS tokens. picky picky picky
id be happy if it was two houses per account but as already mentioned earlier, Max secondary house size of 7x7 and MUST be on a different shard to your main house,
will encourage people to spread there time a bit more between shards
id pay $5 for that monthly,
i currently only own one account, buying a whole other account for playing another shard just doesnt agree with me but paying $5 dollars with restrictions does, i havent filled my first house yet! im ruthless with throwing items away
will encourage people to spread there time a bit more between shards
id pay $5 for that monthly,
i currently only own one account, buying a whole other account for playing another shard just doesnt agree with me but paying $5 dollars with restrictions does, i havent filled my first house yet! im ruthless with throwing items away
Somebody want to attempt an explanation as to why a second house MUST be on a different shard? Why would it matter. Other than maybe four or five shards, the rest are low population.
Anyone remember when 7x7 classic houses filled the forests? You see that on any shard nowadays? There's thousands of small spots, hundreds on every shard, even on Atlantic. Just wait 'til they turn house decay back on. Imagine if they manage to fix all the bugged houses too. Talk about looking like a ghost town.
I don't need to be encouraged to participate in any aspect of the game or shard I don't choose to. How well does that philosophy usually work?
I think my idea is a good one. It includes account entitlement, monthly lease, small size and low lockdowns. I see no reason why we should also be told which shards we can or cannot place it on.
Anyone remember when 7x7 classic houses filled the forests? You see that on any shard nowadays? There's thousands of small spots, hundreds on every shard, even on Atlantic. Just wait 'til they turn house decay back on. Imagine if they manage to fix all the bugged houses too. Talk about looking like a ghost town.
I don't need to be encouraged to participate in any aspect of the game or shard I don't choose to. How well does that philosophy usually work?
I think my idea is a good one. It includes account entitlement, monthly lease, small size and low lockdowns. I see no reason why we should also be told which shards we can or cannot place it on.