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Do u know how many EM event items I have?
I will tell u, ZERO
Do you know how much is it worth an EM item to me?
I will tell u, ZERO
If there is people paying Trillions for a pack of pixels its their own problem.
This is the magic of UO that no other game out there has.
I will tell u, ZERO
Do you know how much is it worth an EM item to me?
I will tell u, ZERO
If there is people paying Trillions for a pack of pixels its their own problem.
This is the magic of UO that no other game out there has.
K
Kralock
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I agree but I don't see an easy fix off hand, ppl are allowed to be greedy I guess.
I get so mad when folks disrupt the events, what other game gives old players the power to make special quest just for players. Its like a true RPG something all other MMOs lack, I was so sad when the old program vanished that i did for a while too. I would like to see more events, and too me its not about the items but they are the icing on the cake I suppose.
I dont want to see this em program fail either.
Well said Petra !
Its ironic there was an EM event on atlantic where it was us that actually gave an item for Clanins burial ; and I gave a pot of honey.
Well lo and behold, there is all kinds of stuff there but mainly :
A minax is number ONE shirt (and its minax that killed clanin)
yes two fully conscious, heavily involved in the story and intelligent EMs made this item permanent there.
They also made SUPSOC (a great RMT broker) immortal by placing a whole armor crafted by him that says crafter by SUPSOC of LS.
Well great !!! not only a publicity for a broker, but he's from LS.
On atlantic.
Funny anecdote isn't it ?
I think it only serves to show us the mirrors in life ; how one behavior mirrors the mindset of others...
and guess what...
my pot of honey was never put in the memorial...
and yes, I verified with over 30 people *yes I was pretty popular on atlantic then* if they got their item placed and everyone of them did.
In fact all items were placed but mine.
A shirt of minax was placed after I argued that the minax guys were insulting Clanins grave (and yes I was roleplaying). And funny enough, they left when I said leave.
Supsoc's armor was placed even after my display of anger at the fact he was allows to have 5 items imortalized instead of one like everybody else. He also left after, refusing to talk to me.
well I know what you think...
you deserved it Ahu...
Its ironic there was an EM event on atlantic where it was us that actually gave an item for Clanins burial ; and I gave a pot of honey.
Well lo and behold, there is all kinds of stuff there but mainly :
A minax is number ONE shirt (and its minax that killed clanin)
yes two fully conscious, heavily involved in the story and intelligent EMs made this item permanent there.
They also made SUPSOC (a great RMT broker) immortal by placing a whole armor crafted by him that says crafter by SUPSOC of LS.
Well great !!! not only a publicity for a broker, but he's from LS.
On atlantic.
Funny anecdote isn't it ?
I think it only serves to show us the mirrors in life ; how one behavior mirrors the mindset of others...
and guess what...
my pot of honey was never put in the memorial...
and yes, I verified with over 30 people *yes I was pretty popular on atlantic then* if they got their item placed and everyone of them did.
In fact all items were placed but mine.
A shirt of minax was placed after I argued that the minax guys were insulting Clanins grave (and yes I was roleplaying). And funny enough, they left when I said leave.
Supsoc's armor was placed even after my display of anger at the fact he was allows to have 5 items imortalized instead of one like everybody else. He also left after, refusing to talk to me.
well I know what you think...
you deserved it Ahu...
R
RavenWinterHawk
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If it doesnt add gold into the game...
If it doesnt add over power or needed items in game...
Who cares?
Come on... why is then any of our concern? Gold in game goes from here to there for somethng silly and worthless.
The EMs and collectors have pretty much ruined the value of rares. That is the display value. There is so much... SO MUCH.... you cantdisplay them all. There are a bizzillion pieces of clothing... we have a million combos of colors for hair, clothes, weapon... they arent novel. We have statutes of all kinds of stuff. Mega amounts of foods and pies.
GEEZ the sheer volume of stuff in game you can get that I could put on my vendor that SEEM rare is up there too.
Again why is this a concern?
If it doesnt add over power or needed items in game...
Who cares?
Come on... why is then any of our concern? Gold in game goes from here to there for somethng silly and worthless.
The EMs and collectors have pretty much ruined the value of rares. That is the display value. There is so much... SO MUCH.... you cantdisplay them all. There are a bizzillion pieces of clothing... we have a million combos of colors for hair, clothes, weapon... they arent novel. We have statutes of all kinds of stuff. Mega amounts of foods and pies.
GEEZ the sheer volume of stuff in game you can get that I could put on my vendor that SEEM rare is up there too.
Again why is this a concern?
Many know about your business Raven... I would back off if I were you.
ACB the OP is a honored community builder and has been head of the companion program for a long while ; he has the right to express his concern.
If anything, your appeal to GEEZ us shows the cry for mercy your soul invigorates.
ACB the OP is a honored community builder and has been head of the companion program for a long while ; he has the right to express his concern.
If anything, your appeal to GEEZ us shows the cry for mercy your soul invigorates.
Making EM Items none transferable would help I think.
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Kralock
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so we cant them displayed them anymore, or donate them to be displayed, I still say its a bad idea. Also rares trading is were alot of vets go, when the hunt gets old.
No thx u
NO TRADE NO DROPP items are terrible
No items at all are better than those items i hate having stuff stuck in my Bp or bank box
I only do Atlantic events so i cant tell how it is on other shards but on Atl there is always around 150-200 people at events what would the number be if there was no items or those no trade nodrop items
50?
The goal is to get as many people as possible to enjoy the events it may not be your cup of tea but they did something right to get that many people showing up at every event
But i know there are some that stop doing events because of the item hoarders
So for the people that only want to follow the story make some events where the Em say long before the event starts if there is items or not given out
The hoarders probably will leav if there is no items and the people that only want to follow the story can have theire event
NO TRADE NO DROPP items are terrible
No items at all are better than those items i hate having stuff stuck in my Bp or bank box
I only do Atlantic events so i cant tell how it is on other shards but on Atl there is always around 150-200 people at events what would the number be if there was no items or those no trade nodrop items
50?
The goal is to get as many people as possible to enjoy the events it may not be your cup of tea but they did something right to get that many people showing up at every event
But i know there are some that stop doing events because of the item hoarders
So for the people that only want to follow the story make some events where the Em say long before the event starts if there is items or not given out
The hoarders probably will leav if there is no items and the people that only want to follow the story can have theire event
*sighs*
As I recall the initial call for applications, EMs were classified as "part time" "contract employees" of EA.
This usually means "low paid, limited hours."
Therefore, I very seriously doubt the EM program costs more than it pays. The fact that it's continued for a few years is alone proof of that. EA has been nothing if not penny-pinching with UO; if EMs didn't come up good in a cost-benefit analysis the program would have been dead already.
You also have to consider the fact that EMs can add considerably to the EA-run events. For example, on the GL shard EMs Malachi and Elizabella added considerably to both Warriors of Destiny and In the Shadow of Virtue, turning the latter from an occasional event with no obvious connection into a true scenario: Long, and of near-unbearable intensity. And the climax of the Queen Zhah arc (I forget the name of this one) was run directly by EMs, as was the climax of Warriors of Destiny, as were key events in In the Shadow of Virtue.
I know full and well, though, that this post means nothing to the small and vocal minority who've decided they hate the EM program for their own irrational reasons.
-Galen's player
I don't think the concern of the original poster is about scamming.
Some people in all honesty dislike in-game commerce of any particularly substantial value; honest or not.
Scamming went on long-prior to EM events, and if they dumped the EM program tomorrow it would continue to go on. Many of these were justified by the scamming player also being a thief, and scamming being the same as using the thieving skill.
-Galen's player
Having no items would cause more griefing. Members of the griefing guild on Great Lakes already use the alleged paucity of items on that server as their pretext for griefing. "We have to grief because there aren't enough items." (The fact, by the way, is that Great Lakes' item count is as-appropriate and as-generous as any shard's; so even the pretext for the griefing is a lie.)
Having non-shard-transferrable items partly nullifies one of UO's most important features, the thing that, for example, makes the cases for shard consolidation seem particularly ridiculous, and the thing that has allowed me to play the same character across 3 shards over the years. I attended an early EM event on LS, early in the current cycle of the program I mean, and on that I could have (didn't but could have) obtained items that whining about led to there being no items for a long while.
Surely this is an important part not just of LS history but of game-wide history. It had a game-wide impact.
The items were pretty cool also.
Should I not have been allowed to have these when I come to Great Lakes?
It's long-established in fiction that Sosaria has connection to other worlds and other planes; Lord British and the Avatar, for example, are both from earth, and RolePlayers have long-used this as a pretext for dimensional travel. Shard transfers help to RP this and can lead to my being on, say, GL and seeing things in a museum from other shards.
Why forbid this merely because trades of a certain size for some reason offend some players?
Why assume, as some seem to, that the only way to hang RP around these items revolves around keeping them on their shard of origin?
Making the items non-tradeable at all is ridiculous for an even-more-important reason: Such would prevent museums at all. "But Galen, we didn't say non-droppable!" Ah, but if you let a character drop an item, then trade merely becomes a matter of trust or of getting a reputable broker to assist with the trade.
And this opens the door to more scamming.
-Galen's player
Having non-shard-transferrable items partly nullifies one of UO's most important features, the thing that, for example, makes the cases for shard consolidation seem particularly ridiculous, and the thing that has allowed me to play the same character across 3 shards over the years. I attended an early EM event on LS, early in the current cycle of the program I mean, and on that I could have (didn't but could have) obtained items that whining about led to there being no items for a long while.
Surely this is an important part not just of LS history but of game-wide history. It had a game-wide impact.
The items were pretty cool also.
Should I not have been allowed to have these when I come to Great Lakes?
It's long-established in fiction that Sosaria has connection to other worlds and other planes; Lord British and the Avatar, for example, are both from earth, and RolePlayers have long-used this as a pretext for dimensional travel. Shard transfers help to RP this and can lead to my being on, say, GL and seeing things in a museum from other shards.
Why forbid this merely because trades of a certain size for some reason offend some players?
Why assume, as some seem to, that the only way to hang RP around these items revolves around keeping them on their shard of origin?
Making the items non-tradeable at all is ridiculous for an even-more-important reason: Such would prevent museums at all. "But Galen, we didn't say non-droppable!" Ah, but if you let a character drop an item, then trade merely becomes a matter of trust or of getting a reputable broker to assist with the trade.
And this opens the door to more scamming.
-Galen's player
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And here I was thinking I was the only person left that falls into this category. Glad to see there are other folks out there who are loyal
With the EM item market being what it is, I often wonder if the EM's have a running competition to see who can create the most valuable drop tho. Also, I think I have a solution to two threads that come up fairly often...
There seem to be a few who do not like the gold generated by EM items who also are normally posting about UO needing a gold sink.... Solution? Well, hit the EM events, get an item, sell the item to one of the collectors for untold millions.. then trash can the gold. Hmmmm 2 birds with one stone
Occupy UO... 99% vs 1%
Difference is that the 10000000000000000000000 uo gold robe does not do anything for me. For a fraction of that money I still get to enjoy the game to it's fullest. Not a real issue for me. I am actually sort of glad that there is this gold sink to some degree. The gold sink does not drain the cash out of the economy entirely, but allows it to circulate through the pockets of a very small group of people. Best gold sink would be an accidental account wipe of those 10 people that have that much cash, but that would be mean.
Difference is that the 10000000000000000000000 uo gold robe does not do anything for me. For a fraction of that money I still get to enjoy the game to it's fullest. Not a real issue for me. I am actually sort of glad that there is this gold sink to some degree. The gold sink does not drain the cash out of the economy entirely, but allows it to circulate through the pockets of a very small group of people. Best gold sink would be an accidental account wipe of those 10 people that have that much cash, but that would be mean.
I agree with Petra on one thing... I play one game and one game only UO. I don't care what they do on WoW and quite frankly I don't care about WoW and I don't want WoW in my UO. If I gave one iota about WoW I'd be playing WoW...
Secondly as I said... I've nothing against items... I love getting them. As a memento of the event. It's great to be able to take something back and put it on display in the Castle as a memento of what was done to liberate Britannia or to commemorate our helping our neighbors in Ter Mur or whatever the case may be.
As for the comment someone made about only 5% participating in these evens... Dude I think you are WAY off. I'm sure it's more like 30% or more... and I'll say this... if it weren't for these events over the last 3 years... keeping things fun and interesting and keeping people like me active every week.... coming back to participate because it offers a bit of RP and is a fun outlet of "hunt night"... I think that quite possibly there might be at least a drop of 20% of the population... out of shear BOREDOM... So lets not discount the worth of the EM's. I for one can say that the events have certainly kept at the very least ME playing...
What bothers me most about the item give away is the fact that more often than not those getting the items could care less about them or the event or the time and effort the EM's put into putting the event on... They are there for one purpose only ...... TO MAKE GOLD. And they act accordingly. It's like being in a room with a bunch of ADHD kids... they don't listen, they don't help, they are constantly griefing and causing others to quit participating in events because most other folk can't figure out WTF is going on through all the spamming and vile, vulgar behavior of those who really don't care to be there except to get their item and hock it. It's deplorable and it make me very upset. I come to participate in the event... to try to help move the events along and to enjoy it for what it is... Yes I like getting an item but I'd be just as happy with a clicky... or nothing at all.
I'm glad on Origin everyone lines up so nicely. That does NOT happen on GL's... ON GL we are asked to line up and there is a line 3 people wide.. that goes on not to far for the 80+ people that are there... Why is that? Because it's 18 people standing on top of whoever is in front... someone is always budging and moving up in line... What ticks me off is that they are acknowledged and given the item without being told to move back to the end of the line... thus encouraging more and more of the same disrespectful behavior. Were it up to me the hand out would end and so would the event for the night until folk learned to act like adults and show some respect. But no... the behavior is supported and encouraged to continue because NOTHING is done about it. And this goes on and on and on...
Not only can they not follow simple instructions they don't care... they constantly insult the EM's... purposefully ignore most all instructions.... Stand directly on top of the EM's... try to steal items from them... are constantly blocking the placement of things as the story is attempting to unfold... refuse to move or acknowledge being asked to back up... Sit in the EM's chairs... They bring their Greater Dragons right into a tiny building packed with 30 people and block up everything so no one can see WTF is going on...
And yet NOTHING is done... and they are rewarded for this behavior by getting items... It's disturbing.
Meanwhile folk that have followed the rules... obeyed the orders given... helped to remember and move along the plot... added to the plot.... helped others along the way keep up with what's going on by answering questions in chat and all other things.... those folk get nothing time and time again... eventually many of the folk who come to enjoy the storyline and plot QUIT coming... because they can't follow what's going on thru all the griefing.... I've been told DOZENS of times by folk on GL's.... "Oh I don't go to those anymore. I never know WTF is going on and the language and griefing was just too much. I wish I could participate... but I can't stand it."
Dozens of times. That right there is what irritates me. Those who would like to be participating in the events .... feel they can't.
Secondly as I said... I've nothing against items... I love getting them. As a memento of the event. It's great to be able to take something back and put it on display in the Castle as a memento of what was done to liberate Britannia or to commemorate our helping our neighbors in Ter Mur or whatever the case may be.
As for the comment someone made about only 5% participating in these evens... Dude I think you are WAY off. I'm sure it's more like 30% or more... and I'll say this... if it weren't for these events over the last 3 years... keeping things fun and interesting and keeping people like me active every week.... coming back to participate because it offers a bit of RP and is a fun outlet of "hunt night"... I think that quite possibly there might be at least a drop of 20% of the population... out of shear BOREDOM... So lets not discount the worth of the EM's. I for one can say that the events have certainly kept at the very least ME playing...
What bothers me most about the item give away is the fact that more often than not those getting the items could care less about them or the event or the time and effort the EM's put into putting the event on... They are there for one purpose only ...... TO MAKE GOLD. And they act accordingly. It's like being in a room with a bunch of ADHD kids... they don't listen, they don't help, they are constantly griefing and causing others to quit participating in events because most other folk can't figure out WTF is going on through all the spamming and vile, vulgar behavior of those who really don't care to be there except to get their item and hock it. It's deplorable and it make me very upset. I come to participate in the event... to try to help move the events along and to enjoy it for what it is... Yes I like getting an item but I'd be just as happy with a clicky... or nothing at all.
I'm glad on Origin everyone lines up so nicely. That does NOT happen on GL's... ON GL we are asked to line up and there is a line 3 people wide.. that goes on not to far for the 80+ people that are there... Why is that? Because it's 18 people standing on top of whoever is in front... someone is always budging and moving up in line... What ticks me off is that they are acknowledged and given the item without being told to move back to the end of the line... thus encouraging more and more of the same disrespectful behavior. Were it up to me the hand out would end and so would the event for the night until folk learned to act like adults and show some respect. But no... the behavior is supported and encouraged to continue because NOTHING is done about it. And this goes on and on and on...
Not only can they not follow simple instructions they don't care... they constantly insult the EM's... purposefully ignore most all instructions.... Stand directly on top of the EM's... try to steal items from them... are constantly blocking the placement of things as the story is attempting to unfold... refuse to move or acknowledge being asked to back up... Sit in the EM's chairs... They bring their Greater Dragons right into a tiny building packed with 30 people and block up everything so no one can see WTF is going on...
And yet NOTHING is done... and they are rewarded for this behavior by getting items... It's disturbing.
Meanwhile folk that have followed the rules... obeyed the orders given... helped to remember and move along the plot... added to the plot.... helped others along the way keep up with what's going on by answering questions in chat and all other things.... those folk get nothing time and time again... eventually many of the folk who come to enjoy the storyline and plot QUIT coming... because they can't follow what's going on thru all the griefing.... I've been told DOZENS of times by folk on GL's.... "Oh I don't go to those anymore. I never know WTF is going on and the language and griefing was just too much. I wish I could participate... but I can't stand it."
Dozens of times. That right there is what irritates me. Those who would like to be participating in the events .... feel they can't.
Yeah, let's make sure EVERYONE get's their fair share. Ya know, like everyone should get paid the same amount regardless of what they do.....never heard that before....
Its a brand new play style really..although some have done it for years...the EM event xsharder
will work best if you can play UO like 24 hours a day... every day of the week.
create a nice char on each shard....a nice sampire etc ... and just play UO for any EM events on any shard.....
dont bother with anything else...lol
by far the best and quickest way to make/rake a uo fortune...
will work best if you can play UO like 24 hours a day... every day of the week.
create a nice char on each shard....a nice sampire etc ... and just play UO for any EM events on any shard.....
dont bother with anything else...lol
by far the best and quickest way to make/rake a uo fortune...
Only true if you are exceptionally lucky. Most EM events don't have items. Those that do mostly have a limited number.
Ironically some of the proposals to make every item a clicky only promotes this behavior which, while I see no obvious substantive problem with it, some of those making the proposal that'd make it worse appear to.
-Galen's player
I am not sure how it would complicate the coding, but perhaps there could be a way to code the items so that, while being account bound (i.e. not tradeable), they could still be locked down for display in a home owned by the account to which these items are bound to ?
But if another account tries to pick them up (if unlocked, that is...), the game engine would give a message that the item cannot be picked up by an account other to the one to which they are bound to........
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Sorry, but account bound event items are the single worst idea I have ever read on uhall, and that says alot. 
I do agree event items are momentos of the event for players to remember the arc. or event it's self. However it is larger than "for the person that attended". I applaud the people keeping the history alive by spending their hard earned gold to attain an item, stick it on display for all to see. I shudder to think how many items we would have lost had they been account bound. No museums for the beginning players to go check out to get back story and history because most of them have been lost during house falls. THAT would be a sad sight to behold.
I do agree event items are momentos of the event for players to remember the arc. or event it's self. However it is larger than "for the person that attended". I applaud the people keeping the history alive by spending their hard earned gold to attain an item, stick it on display for all to see. I shudder to think how many items we would have lost had they been account bound. No museums for the beginning players to go check out to get back story and history because most of them have been lost during house falls. THAT would be a sad sight to behold.
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olduofan
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agree account bound and clicky at end of event ....
This doesn't mean it's good for the game.
A genuinely player-controlled economy is a mistake imo... the game designers should have a big hand in it, if it is to come out well.
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olduofan
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This last Halloween event on pac had a red shovel drop one guy got 3 and claimed he showed up late and just started looting corpse and found all 3 on one corpse then we went back to the hall he asked is there going to be anymore drops tonight em told him "no" so he left those sale for 85mil each, so those of use that worked the spawn and died over and over got nothing while those that stealth around and do nothing but loot seem to come out ahead.
years ago we had an event on pac in t2a and a set of pirate clothes dropped I was having a hard time keeping up with the rest of the players and they left to a new area to fight a new spawn I was dead and stock on in the spot we had just cleared the spawn and luckily I had sacrifice left to self rezs after I rezzed I went looking for the mob corpse that killed me I found a shirt with a strange label and a fire ant brew on anther corpse neither of which I killed after the event I went to luna to collect bods and seen a guy spamming buying pirate clothes from tonight's event 125mil each buying fire-brew 25mil each I sold him both items made 150mil the richest I had ever been. the next day I rounded up all my guild mates that didn't bother to help me during the event split the gold up and dismantled my guild. Now on pack I have the friends that show up for the events and they want to party with me and all they do is loot dont fight will not rez or heal and by the time i get rezzed or find the corpse they have cleaned them out so I no longer party with anyone not fair to do the work and they get the rewards
these events have become mostly people showing up only for the drop and all they do none stop is ask whats going to drop is there a drop tonight if not they leave. during the event know one will help heal rez or even take the time to tell you where everyone ran off to. Its like become a lot of inconsiderate people that all they care about is the "drop"
Holiday events especially should have clickys so everyone there gets an item not just the players that dont even fight or help others....
years ago we had an event on pac in t2a and a set of pirate clothes dropped I was having a hard time keeping up with the rest of the players and they left to a new area to fight a new spawn I was dead and stock on in the spot we had just cleared the spawn and luckily I had sacrifice left to self rezs after I rezzed I went looking for the mob corpse that killed me I found a shirt with a strange label and a fire ant brew on anther corpse neither of which I killed after the event I went to luna to collect bods and seen a guy spamming buying pirate clothes from tonight's event 125mil each buying fire-brew 25mil each I sold him both items made 150mil the richest I had ever been. the next day I rounded up all my guild mates that didn't bother to help me during the event split the gold up and dismantled my guild. Now on pack I have the friends that show up for the events and they want to party with me and all they do is loot dont fight will not rez or heal and by the time i get rezzed or find the corpse they have cleaned them out so I no longer party with anyone not fair to do the work and they get the rewards
these events have become mostly people showing up only for the drop and all they do none stop is ask whats going to drop is there a drop tonight if not they leave. during the event know one will help heal rez or even take the time to tell you where everyone ran off to. Its like become a lot of inconsiderate people that all they care about is the "drop"
Holiday events especially should have clickys so everyone there gets an item not just the players that dont even fight or help others....
wow what a PR mess...
It honestly surprises me when noone understands that if 300 people get the item, it will be worth much less.
It already takes care of some problems...
but honestly wow...
this is beyond me.
Most museums I visited have no history at all, they just pack as many rares as they can into a house, you have no idea where its from, which shard it came from...
It makes no sense... I have seen ONE museum which had little books explaining SOME things they had.
On Siege things are a bit different. And just for this it should get all your red lights pop on.
CHECK ENGINE.
I pay as much as anyone, and don't even deserve an EM ?
I pay as much as anyone, and cannot have the opportunity of becoming rich for worthless items ?
Ridiculous... try to argue with that.
It honestly surprises me when noone understands that if 300 people get the item, it will be worth much less.
It already takes care of some problems...
but honestly wow...
this is beyond me.
Most museums I visited have no history at all, they just pack as many rares as they can into a house, you have no idea where its from, which shard it came from...
It makes no sense... I have seen ONE museum which had little books explaining SOME things they had.
On Siege things are a bit different. And just for this it should get all your red lights pop on.
CHECK ENGINE.
I pay as much as anyone, and don't even deserve an EM ?
I pay as much as anyone, and cannot have the opportunity of becoming rich for worthless items ?
Ridiculous... try to argue with that.
First off, making EM Items non-transferrable is a horrible Idea.
The economy of UO is player made.. and if you happen to be a person that makes their money trading EM Items or other rares, than so be it.
I have sold 1 EM Item and 1 EM item only, and I enjoy having the money I got from it. But let's say it's no longer EM items that sell for tons of gold.. let's say it's uh, SLITHER from Medusa.. (which does sell for uber amounts of money on Atlantic at least), and EM Items become account bound. Does this lead way to some angry person thinking "Hey I'll never get one of those SLITHER's so I'll just hop on the forum and do my best to make sure devs make these Account bound items." Honestly, the only difference between Event Items is there is a limited time to get them and you have an infinite amount of time to go get these non event items. And if some individual is more than willing to pay extreme amounts of gold to have a decoration for his/her UO home then let them. It's not like having an EM Painting that looks gawdy is giving you ANY kind of strength or advantage in the game other than letting others know that 1) I was at this event or 2) I have so much gold this is what I do with it now.
I'm not sure exactly how to explain this other than how I've explained it.. but Imho nothing's broken, don't think it needs to be "fixed".
The economy of UO is player made.. and if you happen to be a person that makes their money trading EM Items or other rares, than so be it.
I have sold 1 EM Item and 1 EM item only, and I enjoy having the money I got from it. But let's say it's no longer EM items that sell for tons of gold.. let's say it's uh, SLITHER from Medusa.. (which does sell for uber amounts of money on Atlantic at least), and EM Items become account bound. Does this lead way to some angry person thinking "Hey I'll never get one of those SLITHER's so I'll just hop on the forum and do my best to make sure devs make these Account bound items." Honestly, the only difference between Event Items is there is a limited time to get them and you have an infinite amount of time to go get these non event items. And if some individual is more than willing to pay extreme amounts of gold to have a decoration for his/her UO home then let them. It's not like having an EM Painting that looks gawdy is giving you ANY kind of strength or advantage in the game other than letting others know that 1) I was at this event or 2) I have so much gold this is what I do with it now.
I'm not sure exactly how to explain this other than how I've explained it.. but Imho nothing's broken, don't think it needs to be "fixed".
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Kralock
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I agree, its not broken. If a rule is violated, punish the ones responsible and move on. The inflation issue, who cares, its what happens IRL. We have many lock-downs and banks.
Anyway i'm done with this thread, and I hope everyone's Thanksgiving was awesome.
Anyway i'm done with this thread, and I hope everyone's Thanksgiving was awesome.
Just wanted to set the record correct:
Promathia mentioned the Void Rock that I owned and sold. It was not 5.5 billion, it was 4.4 billion.
I also sold a few more items in the last year that were over 1 billion each. These items were all "1 of a kind" or as the collector community calls
"1 of 1".
I sold these items NOT to make money, but because I was retiring from collecting and wanted to enjoy my limited gametime by spawning with guildies or w/e else my crew was doing. NOT scheduling out my RL day around EM events, which, by the way, is the degree of dedication that alot of the collectors are putting forth.
NO ONE is keeping any of you from getting just as many items or the quality of the items as I have gotten. Stop whining and read the EM forums and go to every event that you can, and you too can have success in EM events. It is about saturation folks!
Attend high number of events = more chances for drops.
Promathia mentioned the Void Rock that I owned and sold. It was not 5.5 billion, it was 4.4 billion.
I also sold a few more items in the last year that were over 1 billion each. These items were all "1 of a kind" or as the collector community calls
"1 of 1".
I sold these items NOT to make money, but because I was retiring from collecting and wanted to enjoy my limited gametime by spawning with guildies or w/e else my crew was doing. NOT scheduling out my RL day around EM events, which, by the way, is the degree of dedication that alot of the collectors are putting forth.
NO ONE is keeping any of you from getting just as many items or the quality of the items as I have gotten. Stop whining and read the EM forums and go to every event that you can, and you too can have success in EM events. It is about saturation folks!
Attend high number of events = more chances for drops.
Well I was close!
Btw to anyone else still harping about the Thomas Pyewacket robe - The highest offers on it only reached like 100-200m, and most bids were retracted when it was found out that it probably led to his firing.
We have a great community, and we do our best to blacklist the scammers/items of illegal nature. And while the robe is not illegal, it definitely is stained by a person losing their position over it.
Btw - Character bound event items was tried once...And I think so many people complained, they never tried it again.
1) The EM item trader is not a new race. Been around for years. Probably been around for longer then half the people posting in this thread.
2) Nobody with any experience or common sense realistically valued any current item at 1 trillion. Lets not get silly with the zeroes. Especially since the whole post seems to be about them.
3) I find it odd that your comparison seems to justify a castle being 1 billion gold. A 1 billion gold pile of stone is ok but event items are not?
Years & years ago I traded my keep on Chessy for an item bless deed for my indestructable,eminently accurate longspear of vanquishing. People told me I was insane until I killed every pvper on the shard every night for about 2 years(until factions came around with their nice crafted weps lol)
That spear just wasnt fair.
I would have traded 10 castles for the deed if thats what it would have taken.
Who am I or who is anyone else to decide the value of an item?
The amount of money spent on an item has absolutely no bearing on the overall economy of the game. The gold is already in the system. It is simply moving around. Which is kinda healthy for the economy IMO.
IMO this is not an economy thread. This is a 'have & 'have not' thread.
Gold is amazingly easy to acquire in huge amounts these days. Take the time to learn how and do so and maybe you wont be so jealous of the other peole that have done so.
If farming gold does not suit your playstyle I can totally understand. But dont complain about it then.
I think many of us also know about ACB's business Ahuae, so I would back off if i were you, bragging about his gains in global events, and bragging about his merchant abilities in gen chat. Buying low and selling high - despicable! You are all, ALL welcome to play every EM event. Please come and participate in them, if missing out on them is a legitimate concern to you.
EM events dont mean anything to me at least.
Pixels may have a price atm but when the pull the plug these pixels are worth nothing in the end.
Just play and have fun is what the game is about. If collecting and spending trillions in gold or thousands of irl money I say go for it if you enjoy it. If it isn't your cup of tea why complain about others enjoyment of the game.
Only issue I ever had with such over priced pixels was shard history and those event items should of been shard bound.
Pixels may have a price atm but when the pull the plug these pixels are worth nothing in the end.
Just play and have fun is what the game is about. If collecting and spending trillions in gold or thousands of irl money I say go for it if you enjoy it. If it isn't your cup of tea why complain about others enjoyment of the game.
Only issue I ever had with such over priced pixels was shard history and those event items should of been shard bound.
- - and buy all the UO gold you want from other websites for real $$$ to pay for those items.
Hope you won't mind if I take that a step further and borrow your words, Petre Fyde, because your words make things so clear:
The whole game of UO should never have become a 'get rich quick' scheme for opportunists.
That which makes UO unique also makes UO susceptible; and 'That' being PEOPLE.
So .. how do you fix people? I haven't a clue.
I too, as MalagAste also says, have only played this one game and if I had wanted to play WoW I would have played it.
There is no satisfaction or feeling of accomplishment to be gained from buying in-game items; at least not for me. The greatest treasures come from friends, memories of being with them, sharing, and some items from special events on occasion from over the years of being in UO. But that is only how I feel. I don't expect everyone else to feel as I do.
Yet, I am not blind to the fact that exploitation is at an extreme high in UO.
I believe honest hard effort with conviction to reverse the situation with sensible plans and tactics can be most effective.
... like burn down every house in Luna City for starters, and turn the place over to NPC nasties; make it so crafts people can start selling their wares from their homes at reasonable prices again .. oops weren't we were on that very subject a few days ago..
-- back to hunting I shall go
(Uhall can be such a great place to hone English and practice writing skills, beside learing about the game UO ...
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... like burn down every house in Luna City for starters, and turn the place over to NPC nasties; make it so crafts people can start selling their wares from their homes at reasonable prices again ..
ahh yes, logic and reason abound in this thread...
ahh yes, logic and reason abound in this thread...
How is buying low and selling high despicable? Because you get mad you couldn't make as much money off of it? If someone wants to pay a lot for an item let them. It's their own damn gold and they can spend it how they want. Everyone knows that Luna is overpriced and no one forces them to shop their. I know it and I choose NOT to shop there because of it.
let me fix that for you.
BINGO!!! ....and there in one sentance is the answer!!
As I see it, Events should be played for the sake of participating to the Event, period.
Be it to follow some storyline or to have fun with fellow players but the Event should be attended for the Event itself, not for the items' drops.
Event items should solely be something to remember to players their participation to that Event.
They should be a clicky (i.e. all participants get one...) and they should be account bound. Can be displayed in Houses belonging to the account that received them through the click but won't be possible to be traded to other accounts or picked up by other accounts if unlocked.
I think that these changes would make sure that only those players really interested in participating to the Events themselves, not the items, would attend to the Events making them better Events for all attending.....
I never said that, I said no transferable, as in between shards.
Wow, is the UO economy in shambles, or what.
It isn't just in the wild, it's like a locomotive that the conductor jumped out of a long time ago, and the thing is still kicking it at full speed.
I think to fix this thing they'd have to make a separate network of new shards: no classic client connections allowed (EC only); vigorous, proactive enforcement of TOS-breaking botting-type operations; and no server xfers to or from the 'old' network. Would require ongoing design attention paid to the economy of this sub-network (which would include at least some items being soulbound, if not a glut of them). And it would need a real in-game searchable vendor database (because hopefully the bots which gather data for the TOS-breaking web databases would be banned on sight or otherwise unable to work).
The ppl who play this game to accumulate gold wouldn't like those servers. Good.
Hey Thought Elemental, there was nothing wrong with what I said, and if you want to edit around somebody's post, do it to an idiot, not me. Kthnx! Furthermore, Duping, hacking/cheating is an entirely different cup of gravy that in my opinion should result in IMMEDIATE banning, unless the person that duped an item did so accidentally, and immediately paged a gm and said "Hey I found and exploit and think you should fix this". That being said, making EM Items account bound is a horrible idea for reasons I've previously mentioned.
No personal offense meant. What you said happened to expand well into what I felt was a good, characteristic description of the situation.
Thank you for making my point clear and strong guys.
I play on siege, there is no EMs...
Bravo reason and logic
Allegations... I brag about ACB hahah in general chat, where... on siege ?
hahha it was about time this happened to me ! Allegations hahahhaha
guys... ok I guess we can ask him.
Whats your business ACB ?
And why would I need to back off, I play on siege hahahhaha
HAAA HAHAHHA
looking at the non transferable item suggestions I dont think it will be good for a company to make that when they are sellinh transfer tokens to players wich might lower the sale a lot else items just get stucked in secure boxes untill someone will pay the sellers price on the shard where it is.
Ok, to all the Siege people:
Why don't you have an EM?
Was it lack of attendance by the Siege populous?
Or is EA/Mythic simply picking on you by denying you EM events?
I honestly don't know.
And if EM events meant SO much to you, enough to write paragraph upon paragraph on Stratics, then maybe after this long without an EM on Seige you would have made a character on another shard to participate....
Also: I didn't stick a gun to someone's head and make them pay for my items, 100% of my sales are public auctions with mandatory public bids.
No back rooms deals or keeping the items within a small group of elite collectors. Anyone was able to bid. And NO, there are NOT just a few people with this large amount of gold, after the length of time UO has been around, and honestly not that much too spend gold on, MANY players are sitting on quite large sums of gold... The selling of EM items didn't cause the gold, it simply is part of the gold moving around.
Why don't you have an EM?
Was it lack of attendance by the Siege populous?
Or is EA/Mythic simply picking on you by denying you EM events?
I honestly don't know.
And if EM events meant SO much to you, enough to write paragraph upon paragraph on Stratics, then maybe after this long without an EM on Seige you would have made a character on another shard to participate....
Also: I didn't stick a gun to someone's head and make them pay for my items, 100% of my sales are public auctions with mandatory public bids.
No back rooms deals or keeping the items within a small group of elite collectors. Anyone was able to bid. And NO, there are NOT just a few people with this large amount of gold, after the length of time UO has been around, and honestly not that much too spend gold on, MANY players are sitting on quite large sums of gold... The selling of EM items didn't cause the gold, it simply is part of the gold moving around.
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Green Mouser
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If you sit back and judge others as "self-righteous" does that not make you...ummm....self-righteous?The only reason someone would have to CARE about such things is that they are envious of said items/money.
It doesn't impact YOU, nor does it impact ME. If someone gets 1 trillionG for some robe, I doff my hat to her savvy. If they don't use that money for anything else, then it's 1 trillion sitting in someone's castle, which, again, doesn't impact YOU or ME.
If folks went to events and didn't get "things" and are angry about it, they should perhaps ask themselves what they are REALLY at the events for.
I go to events to enjoy myself, hopefully get involved in a storyline, and perhaps learn something new. I don't go specifically to "win" something for participation.
If I did and it was something I honestly couldn't use, I might see about selling it. If it is something given to me specifically by the EMs for something I helped (or didn't help) with, I would be far more likely to keep it for the memory. But that's me, and I honestly don't care what others do with their mementos unless they are important to many folks. That's what the various museums and collectors are for.
Anyway, I always find threads like this amusing, as the self-righteous folks who populate them never realize how silly they are.
On another note. I like Petra's idea.
There is another solution as well. Have a clicky for all who participate and a few rare item drops. Everyone gets a memento and those that enjoy the rares trading get something too. Its hard to bash other peoples play styles when our numbers are so low. The clicky makes everyone feel like they got something and then the drops are like winning the lottery. Its just an idea but one that handles many of the objections. That being said griefing has always been part of the UO experience. I am not sure there is any way to fix that. Maybe this will let us all 
and move on.
and move on.
All EM items should be available through npc quest/spawns. Make the rewards random and a bit tough to get but they SHOULD be obtainable. As of now only 1% of the people can afford these items and the other 99% suffer. I think we should occupy luna until this is adressed
It finally caught my attention that the title should of said "trillion gold" not dollars.
So since I know of a site selling gold at 8 cents a mil (since ingame gold has no value) so one million million makes a trillion. Real life cash it's kind of like pocket change now days.
So since I know of a site selling gold at 8 cents a mil (since ingame gold has no value) so one million million makes a trillion. Real life cash it's kind of like pocket change now days.
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