Random Poisoning? Bug?

[LadyNico]

Took out my dread war horse & bane dragon owning tamers (plural), though none of my dreads or banes were in guard mode. Since I habitually command pets immediately prior to stabling, it's unlikely any of my tamers have pets stabled in guard mode.

No damage effects to any of my tamer chars, Tina. Two of my Europa tamers have cast armageddon & carried blackrock, neither show any sign of being buggy or receiving any unexpected area damage. The third Europa tamer has not cast armageddon nor had she carried any blackrock, and neither does she have a dread or a bane.

Perhaps it's been remedied as of today?

 

[Jade of Sonoma]

Took out my dread war horse & bane dragon owning tamers - --

Perhaps it's been remedied as of today?

Perhaps it has ..

note: The Town Criers are now yelling about an invasion and it has something to do with the ZOO and creatures .. so it could be the problems we've been having are related to this new event? An invasion of a new species? ..

Haven't been able to get any problems with DPD or anything else so far, even though I take characters all over the place doing things and keep them on line a long time .. so perhaps this too shall pass unsolved for now. While at Brit Bank I caught a screen shot of the town crier - - something to do with Wilson at the Zoo. So it all could be Tamer-related.

 

[Faeryl]

The town criers are yelling about the turkeys. Al Wilson is the NPC you talk to for the brush used to find the nests.

 

[Jade of Sonoma]

Thanks Feryl. I'm so busy trying to figure out what might be causing everyone to be hit with Dpoison and/or damage, that I haven't got to doing Giant Turkeys hunts yet

 

[Kayne]

Still no problems with DPD or random hits of damage. Two tamers on Europa still fine

 

[Kas Althume]

My tamer that was gathering the resources from a sheep statue in my fel shack got hit by that blast today. He's stitting on a dread mare.

 

[MalagAste]

Lets ask this... What slot is your effected character?

I was wondering if this had some connection. Trilla is the second character on my list and coincidentally that's the same slot as my full 120's bard who DOES go turkey hunting... on my other account.

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Trilla
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Just curious.

 

[Tina Small]

I'm still thinking there's a connection with dread mares and/or bane dragons. I will try today to take out my tamers on accounts I still have open who own those types of critters and see what happens. If Kas' tamer got hit with it this morning, it doesn't sound like this has been fixed yet.

Malag, my tamer that took non-poison damage is in the sixth character slot. But I haven't hunted turkeys anywhere yet this year on any shard and I think I only killed one last year. I know I killed some in 2009 but don't think any of them were on that shard.

I added new columns asking about dread warhorse and bane dragon ownership and the date(s) damage was taken to the Google spreadsheet I set up to collect details about characters that have been affected by this random damage. Note: If you want to add information to the spreadsheet, I'm pretty sure you do NOT need a Google account. You should be able to just start on a blank line and put your information in the cells going across the line.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aj2lpjetLFwwdDJLanREejNySnZieTQzUkxoOHoxVnc

 

[Lord Frodo]

I have discovered what is causing this bug.
This is not a bug and it is working as intended.
It is all TheGrimOmens fault.
Grim replaced all the old grass in the EC with a new hybrid grass.
The cows love it.
Now with the turkeys turned on they are scaring the crap out of the cows and they are producing invisible methane gas clouds that are deadly.
Welcome to UO, we have a new event “Cows Revenge” eat more white meat.

 

[LordDrago]

"I hit him so hard his Ultima Online character felt it!"

 

[Jade of Sonoma]

- -
Now with the turkeys turned on they are scaring the crap out of the cows and they are producing invisible methane gas clouds that are deadly - -

- - so that's it rolleyes: .. and the winds carry that deadly methane gas to every corner of Sosaria!

No DPD was experienced again, nor unexplained damage to my characters yesterday so I will try again today.

Checked all my tamers, kept them on line doing things; moved them around for a long time, even to the West Brit Bank, used characters whose lower stats wouldn't permit them to hide and - -

Checked all my tamer-owners of the dread mares and found them, dragons, greater dragons and other pets were all [guarding] when claimed from the stables, but their owners were not [guarded].

I wasn't able to get any indication of "DPD" on any character, nor any reoccurances of damage nor DPD - but that might be because of the Shards Maintenance taking place which I became aware of after reading the UHall post.

- - Goes to check the stables quickly to check the status of a few Dread Mares .. brb hmmm.. before I go, didn't pets always have the words [bonded] when you claimed them ?? Not [guarding] <<is that a new change made purposely? Or did the hybrid grass that changes the cows - - wait .. of course .. the meat fed to our pets would be infected .. no matter where it comes from! brb ...


Dread mares are [bonded] today, not [guarding]!

 

[MalagAste]

I disagree about banes and Dreads.... I have 7 or more tamers... every single one of them owns either a bane or a dread or most often both... Yet only ONE of my tamers has been effected.

And I can also say that always my pets are set to guard.

All banes and all dreads.

So that logic is flawed.

 

[Jade of Sonoma]

Before yesterday: My pets were labeled only [bonded] and i had to tell them to follow and guard me. I didn't think to take a screen shot of that because it was normal for my pets to often need to be reminded to guard.

Yesterday my Dread Warhorse and GDragons used by my main character,
were labled [Guarding] only, like this:

Today the Dread is labled both guarding/bonded (it was stabled yesterday while in Guard Mode)

.. I need to check stables of my other tamers.

Results so far .. all bonded pets are guarding and bonded today.

 

[LadyNico]

7th slot Europa tamer was hit with dp damage seconds after logging in - char was logged out in a Trammel house to which she is co-owned. On logging in, she was targetted through the walls by a corpser.

This tamer does have two dread war horses, and one bane dragon - double checked and none were in guard mode in stables. She has carried blackrock, I don't remember casting armageddon with her. I have cross shard transferred this tamer a number of times. She did not take any damage yesterday when I logged her in and ran her around for awhile.

Screenie journal shows log-in and deadly poison message immediately thereafter. No one else was there and you can see no one cast a poison spell. Corpser, greyed, is at the lower left of the screen shot.

 

[Cirno]

If it's happening predictably, perhaps you could quickly party with someone and then when you die, if there's an aggressor, they should get "I was killed by ... !!" and that may identify the source,

 

[Jade of Sonoma]

If it's happening predictably, perhaps you could quickly party with someone and then when you die, if there's an aggressor, they should get "I was killed by ... !!" and that may identify the source,

- - - - -that is one way to do it! You are thinking!

I disagree about banes and Dreads.... I have 7 or more tamers... every single one of them owns either a bane or a dread or most often both... Yet only ONE of my tamers has been effected.

And I can also say that always my pets are set to guard.

All banes and all dreads.

So that logic is flawed.

hmm ... not quite sure what part of that logic is flawed so I'll return to the getting the record straight about pets being set to guard all the time: I too have numerous tamers but on various accounts.

Many of my pets were NOT set to guard all the time when claimed. They were, up until recently, only bonded when claimed. Often they needed to be commanded to follow and guard. So further investigation into the matter this morning, reveals the following:

Second oldest account's Legendary Tamer
- - hadn't used her stabled pets recently .. at least not in two or more weeks before the Halloween event.
Today, upon examining only two of her stabled pets, the answer is apparent:

Her White Wyrm - only [bonded]

Her dread warhorse - only [bonded]

She was kept on line for a long time and wasn't attacked by DPD

It is possible that if you leave the pets in the stable for a long time their loyalty decays somewhat, leaving them only bonded and not guarding when you claim them?

- - hope that helps .. or did I come up with a new question that requires time to investigate .. ???

 

[LadyNico]

It is possible that if you leave the pets in the stable for a long time their loyalty decays somewhat, leaving them only bonded and not guarding when you claim them?

- - hope that helps .. or creates more questions ..

Stabled pets do not lose loyalty. I have pets which haven't been unstabled for YEARS until today and they're all at "wonderfully happy" just as I left them.

I'll readily admit to being a compulsive animal lore skill user. I lore before I stable, and again on bringing them out of the stable - every single time.

This bug is puzzling!

 

[Jade of Sonoma]

Stabled pets do not lose loyalty. I have pets which haven't been unstabled for YEARS until today and they're all at "wonderfully happy" just as I left them.

I'll readily admit to being a compulsive animal lore skill user. I lore before I stable, and again on bringing them out of the stable - every single time.

This bug is puzzling!

It is puzzling. My pets have been used to guard my second account Tamer regularly .. but because of the Halloween hunt I wasn't using her. When she claimed the Dread Warhorse and the White Wyrm today, they were both wonderfully happy and only [bonded] So why they are so, I don't know. Some are extremely old pets. But that is steering away from the issue! What is the cause of this bug, DPD?

 

[Kojak]

my guess is that it's related to the energy vortexes fighting each other - people's pets/summons under their control were fighting and they fixed it - maybe they just missed pets

and as a result your pets are fighting "in" the stables and only poison makes it "out" to the player because obviously physical damage doesn't occur in the stables

so it would have to be a combination of what pets are in the stable, whether some of them attack negative karma, whether your tamer is guilded or not, what facet you're in ... basically, the normal aggressor rules apply whether they can/want to fight

and i'm betting being guarded isn't helping much

(oh, and after 2 minutes, pets forget what they were doing, that's probably why it stops)

 

[Tina Small]

It is puzzling. My pets have been used to guard my second account Tamer regularly .. but because of the Halloween hunt I wasn't using her. When she claimed the Dread Warhorse and the White Wyrm today, they were both wonderfully happy and only [bonded] So why they are so, I don't know. Some are extremely old pets. But that is steering away from the issue! What is the cause of this bug, DPD?

I think there is a limit on how many pets your character can have in the "guarding" state at any one time (regardless of whether or not they are stabled). I think the limit is five. That change went into effect maybe three or four years ago, I think, possibly around the time other changes were made to pet commands.

 

[Jade of Sonoma]

I think there is a limit on how many pets your character can have in the "guarding" state at any one time (regardless of whether or not they are stabled). I think the limit is five. That change went into effect maybe three or four years ago, I think, possibly around the time other changes were made to pet commands.

You probably mixed that up (like I do) with the limit of 5 followers allowed. Your character's stats show how many followers you have:

A Greater Dragon represents 5 followers thus tamers walk and can't ride anything, not even an etheral 'cause they have already used up their allowance of followers, and they can't tame anything not even a cute Forest Ostard they happen to see while walking with a Greater Dragon *sigh*

As I found out (great excuse to practice making and posting pictures and stirring up the mess ) all my pets in my first-account tamer's stables were auto-guarding already when claimed and are [bonded] or [tamed]. Stablecount = 9/16

Now what was the question again? (- - must stay focused in case Tazar tells me to - -get back on topic or was I on topic?? ) Oh yes .. What is causing DPD ?? - - and Santa is compiling a list, a chart, with his helper, Tina so Tina feel free to add anything you find important too.. LadyNico has some interesting facts, and so did many others .. I need to study what Kojac said .. what was that complicated ..(oh, and after 2 minutes, pets forget what they were doing, that's probably why it stops) .. and then there's that Lord Frodo's "Cow's Revenge ".. - - I'm caught somewhere between confusion and being
- - this place has become a "think tank" - - -

 

[Barok]

You probably mixed that up (like I do) with the limit of 5 followers allowed. Your character's stats show how many followers you have:

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As I found out (great excuse to practice making and posting pictures and stirring up the mess ) all my pets in my first-account tamer's stables were auto-guarding already when claimed and are [bonded] or [tamed]. Stablecount = 9/16

I think you may be surprised sometime when you expect your pet to step in and save you. There is a max number of pets that can be guarding you. The game doesn't check to see if the pet is in or out of the stable. If it gets to 5 by looking at the pets in your stable before it looks at the greater dragon you have outside of the stable standing next to you, then that greater dragon you are expecting to save your butt might just stand there and watch you die.

Always tell your pets to stop and stay before you stable them.

 

[Jade of Sonoma]

I think there is a limit on how many pets your character can have in the "guarding" state at any one time (regardless of whether or not they are stabled). I think the limit is five. That change went into effect maybe three or four years ago, I think, possibly around the time other changes were made to pet commands.

I think you may be surprised sometime when you expect your pet to step in and save you. There is a max number of pets that can be guarding you. The game doesn't check to see if the pet is in or out of the stable. If it gets to 5 by looking at the pets in your stable before it looks at the greater dragon you have outside of the stable standing next to you, then that greater dragon you are expecting to save your butt might just stand there and watch you die.

Always tell your pets to stop and stay before you stable them.

WELL WELL WELL >>blow me over with a feather! I'll be hog tied. You are right!!

Tina Small - - Thank you!
Barok - - Thank you!

Learn something new every day.. so lo and behold ! I hope others who don't know this learn from this too ...

- I took all those pets out of the stables one by one
- told them to 'stop'
- checked to see and - "guarding" had vanished!
- told them to stay
- stabled them
Now - none of my pets are guarding! They are [bonded] or [tame] only!
(Yes .. I must feed the 'tame' ones after stabling for a week..That much I do know.Those have been in my stables for months)

Incredible! I wasn't paying attention to Stratics much when you learned all this, obviously!
Thanks for the heads up.
- -and I still don't know enough nor will I ever know it all!

As for expecting my animals to save my butt, I learned how to get
around any problems by doing things like running and invissing self.

- - the main thing is: ... it's fun learning... figuring things out ..

 

[Tina Small]

You probably mixed that up (like I do) with the limit of 5 followers allowed.

Nope. Publish 51 on March 26, 2008 imposed a restriction of five on the number of pets that can be guarding a character simultaneously .

UO Herald archive! - Ultima Online Stratics TGN.TV - Get more views!

 

[Jade of Sonoma]

Nope. Publish 51 on March 26, 2008 imposed a restriction of five on the number of pets that can be guarding a character simultaneously .

UO Herald archive! - Ultima Online Stratics TGN.TV - Get more views!

Not sure if you read my post above yours but Barok also told me that I was wrong so I went back to the stables and hauled the pets out one at a time and corrected the problem by making sure they were all told to Stop and Stay and then stabled. That way only the Beast I'll be using to hunt with will be guarding - after it's taken it out of the stables and commanded to follow and guard.

Thank you Tina Small for getting that point across to me. And thank you for that LINK!!! I missed it totally somehow.

I went back to the stable and took another screen shot:

Owl, my very old WW was no longer guarding me
after I told him to Stop.

 

[Bobar]

Yesterday I logged my tamer in and recalled to Brit. I had no pets with me and was riding an ethy. I wasnt taking much notice and when I looked I was dead. Thought nothing of it, just 'damn bugs', until I saw this thread, so, as its others too, I post to confirm it is still active, was also a tamer and I too was not poisoned. (not before I recalled anyway).

 

[LadyNico]

Seeing as Eau de Crazy Miggie is eye-watering at best, I think you've also succombed to the random poisoning bug, Bobar.

I had literally just logged in - UO Assist throws up my rewards gump and as I was perusing rewards in the safety of a co-owned house, I noticed my health bar halve itself and turn green. Had the gump been covering my health bar, I'd have been dead, too.

 

[Erica3]

This bug has happened since the day when PUB entered Origin.
It happens by tamer character that exists in the guild.

 

[Jade of Sonoma]

This bug has happened since the day when PUB entered Origin.
It happens by tamer character that exists in the guild.

Two more accounts are with tamers on them that I haven't touched yet so I hope everyone will continue posting information about their DPD (deadly-Poison/Damage) incidents. Before logging in those tamers, I'll stop posting - -
(oh oh -- did I hear loud cheers?) - - and wait for more info.

Question: (hopefully answered in first publish *see link below*)
Has any single Character experienced repeats of the DPD? (deadly-poison, and/or damage disease)
- opion - - err - - opinion has it that it's a one-time attack giving some type of immunity to further attacks but not confirmed yet.

http://vboards.stratics.com/uhall/255505-%5Buo-herald%5D-publish-73-0-live-beware-turkeys.html

- - again sorry about that off-topic mess of posts reguarding guarding names on all pets! Thanks again. Problem solved!

 

[Tina Small]

Feel free to add info to the Google spreadsheet if you want to:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aj2lpjetLFwwdDJLanREejNySnZieTQzUkxoOHoxVnc

You don't need to have a Google account to add info to the spreadsheet.

I also added a column asking about ownership of a rune beetle, as it's the only other pet I can think of that might be able to cause serious poison damage to its owner. (Can a GD cause deadly or lethal poisoning?) I also added columns to ask if the character belongs to a guild or a faction.

 

[eve]

took my tamer out today for the first time in months
logged in at zento inn and was hit as i neared the mint, may have been hit at login actually, the inn there is so close to the mint and i moved quickly.

suffered poison damage (maybe 40-50)
i was riding an ethie at the time
managed to cure and heal as needed
no turkeys to be found in the near the mint. not sure they even go into the cities.

I went immediately to the stable in makoto and did a "claim l"
I do have a dread mare in the stable, but no greater or bane dragon. nothing out of the ordinary, but i did not pull any pets out of the stable.

Just repeated the same actions..... no poison.... was fine.

does this only happen one time?

just remembered, i also have a faction war horse left over from my short stay in factions.

 

[Konge]

Logged In on my tamer after having nothing happen with my Samurai Hid for my GG since I hadn't played in a year or so thought I'd at least get a gain while seeing what is in his bank and poof 40 damage that even hit a guildy. I have a Dread warhorse but that's it... no 120 skills nothing really exceptional.

 

[Kojak]

it's probably the dread warhorse doing it's "trick" attack

 

[A Thought Elemental]

This bug has happened since the day when PUB entered Origin.
It happens by tamer character that exists in the guild.

For what it is worth...

I have an UNGUILDED tamer

and it has not happened to me.

(He owns a dread warhorse but no bane dragon).

 

[Mr Bug]

This just happened to me on LS about an hour ago. Logged in my tamer who hasnt been logged in in a few weeks to show my alliance friend my greater dragon. Met him at the bank and we were talking and out of nowhere we were both area poisoned. Arch cure seemed to fix it but yes something is definately wonky. Has not happened so far on any other character. Both of us were on tamers.

The Albatross/ Lord Aphid LS

 

[Fridgster]

This just happened to me on LS about an hour ago. Logged in my tamer who hasnt been logged in in a few weeks to show my alliance friend my greater dragon. Met him at the bank and we were talking and out of nowhere we were both area poisoned. Arch cure seemed to fix it but yes something is definately wonky. Has not happened so far on any other character. Both of us were on tamers.

The Albatross/ Lord Aphid LS

This is extremely interesting. We just went from a potential account/character related bug to an apparent area of effect bug. The plot thickens

 

[Tina Small]

This just happened to me on LS about an hour ago. Logged in my tamer who hasnt been logged in in a few weeks to show my alliance friend my greater dragon. Met him at the bank and we were talking and out of nowhere we were both area poisoned. Arch cure seemed to fix it but yes something is definately wonky. Has not happened so far on any other character. Both of us were on tamers.

Does either of the tamer characters own a dread warhorse?

 

[Mr Bug]

Yes i have a dread warhorse in the stable. Not sure if he has one or not.

 

[Petra Fyde]

So - all characters hit own a dread warhorse? I have one, I wasn't riding at the time, it's in the stable.

 

[Jade of Sonoma]

it's probably the dread warhorse doing it's "trick" attack

Looks like a real possibility. (Not sure if being in a guild has any connection)

Looking back ...when I logged in the 3 tamers on my first account, I wasn't looking for a connection to Dread Warhorses: (if they received any damage it wasn't significant enough to get my attention because they all sorcerer's suits.

1. First Tamer went directly to the turkeys riding a dread warhorse,
- hid and lored a turkey beside her, when WHAM - suddenly the Giant Turkey was deadly Poisoned. Took this screenshot of the journal afterwards but didn't understand what had happend nor why. Didn't notice any damage on Character or dread at the time and didn't think to check.
The socrcer's suit protected the tamer:

2. Second Tamer was logged in later - - and as I wasn't exactly checking for any damage or if he had a dread warhorse in his stables (which he has but it was kept in the stable. He was riding an Etheral Horse), if he received any damage at all when he logged in, it went unnoticed.(Sorcerer's suit) He was immediately recalled to the Giant Turkeys to test for any connection to the GTurkey becoming deadly poisoned after my first tamer, hidden on a dread, had lored it.
Nothing happened to him.

3. Third Tamer, also with a dread warhorse in stable, was hidden at log-in and immediately upon logging in, received mild damage of 24 points (sorcerer's suit) Again I wasn't looking for any connection to a dread warhorse. Kept her on line a short time only.

Later, I logged-in all tamers, one at a time of course, all on that first account, this time to check their stables for Dread Warhorses, and to see if keeping them on line longer as a test to see if they would be damaged/poisoned again, but .. not one of them had a reoccurence of damage, even though they went dungeon crawling and to other locations while being kept on line for a long time. So immunity is in place after first damage?

I even tried to test Kojak's theory on my third tamer
by using "trick" first before keeping her on line for hours
doing everything possible that would cause DPD
.. (can't resist posting this picture of course!)

NOTE: She is in a guild as are all three tamers.

So, I finally used a friend's account that I was saving to test:
The tamer doesn't have a war horse, but is in a guild.
Tried everything from hunting turkeys to prowling dungeons and
kept him on line for a long time ..
Nothing happened. No damage. No deadly poison.

The other account I was saving belongs to another friend but it hasn't got a tamer on it. NONE of his characters received any damage and/or deadly Poison blasts during log-in nor while on line for a long time.

Note: Other account characters, including tamers were logged in too early to be checked propertly, didn't seem to receive any notable damage that would have caught my attention, but didn't have dread warhorses. After many other posts, the connection to tamers has become apparent, and then the dread warhorses are now suspect.

 

[elspeth]

If it helps with statistics, I saw no strange issues with my tamer after the publish and she does have a rune beetle but does not own a dread warhorse.

 

[Jade of Sonoma]

If it helps with statistics, I saw no strange issues with my tamer after the publish and she does have a rune beetle but does not own a dread warhorse.

Oh yes .. thanks elspeth, I believe that will really be of help!

 

[A Thought Elemental]

Does anyone recall if the dread warhorse, at any time or in any situation, had an AOE deadly poison effect of any kind? I don't remember it having anything like that.

 

[Jade of Sonoma]

Yesterday I logged my tamer in and recalled to Brit. I had no pets with me and was riding an ethy. I wasnt taking much notice and when I looked I was dead. Thought nothing of it, just 'damn bugs', until I saw this thread, so, as its others too, I post to confirm it is still active, was also a tamer and I too was not poisoned. (not before I recalled anyway).

Bobar, do you have a dread warhorse in the stables?

 

[Jade of Sonoma]

Does anyone recall if the dread warhorse, at any time or in any situation, had an AOE deadly poison effect of any kind? I don't remember it having anything like that.

Nor do I remember any problems before with dread warhorses.

 

[Jade of Sonoma]

For what it is worth...

I have an UNGUILDED tamer

and it has not happened to me.

(He owns a dread warhorse but no bane dragon).

Obviously your unguilded tamer owns a dread warhorse .. so interesting that he is unguilded and not damaged. I can't prove that is so with my tamers who are guilded. Any of my tamers who are not guilded, haven't got a dread warhorse stabled. Hope someone else can report on a tamer who isn't guilded but who owns a Dread Warhorse.
. I only had the one and only tamer who wasn't tested but when I tested him, he is guilded, doesn't own a dread warhorse and nothing happened to him.. and will look for other characters to test, who are not tamers, and who haven't been on line for awhile.

 

[Jade of Sonoma]

So - all characters hit own a dread warhorse? I have one, I wasn't riding at the time, it's in the stable.

It certainly looks that way.

I can't think of any other test I can do now .. except to continue watching for re-occurance, and checking any tamers/characters I might have missed.

after-thought: I wonder what would happen to a tamer on my fourth account if one of my dread warhorses were transferred to that character from my main account. Probably that dread might carry immunity over with it?

 

[A Thought Elemental]

I'm thinking though that there are other pets which we own in common, other than dreads.

I'm not even aware of any pet which has an aoe deadly poison.

Not sure this is the right tree. If you know what I mean.

 

[Bobar]

Bobar, do you have a dread warhorse in the stables?

Yes I have 2 and a rune beetle. but looking at this thread it does seem to concern dread warhorses, interestingly tho I do also have a Giant Ice Wyrm which has 100 poison skill..

 

[Kojak]

the "trick" is probably an area poison attack that we haven't figured out how to use properly yet = the dread was attacking another of your pets in the stables and used its attack (which it obviously knows how to do right)

either that or more likely they reused the animation for an area poison attack for the trick animation