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Anyway its a strange and good that all sorts of things are happening since the new producer started.
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anna anomalous
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we've been begging for an arena for how long? it works great, is a ton of fun and no insurance cost so people can learn how to duel without risk!
I tried it once on the corpse of a character that my character killed and was unable to loot. Don't know if there would have been a different result if we'd been partied ahead of time with the loot option checked. Something to test?
Pretty good idea.
I wonder how long before a griefer with 8 accounts occupies all 4 arenas with a really long time limit on his duels?
It sure sounds like fun, for those who can play it.
And for a game thats become WoW... it only serves to pit the users further against each other in a very unethical competition "vibe" which harms the most vulnerable amongst us.
You guys missed my point !
Usually the "shard wide" competition is organised by the community. If you all remember what happened back 2 years ago about that...
This is another candy to empower the dividers.
I don't lose all "impact" because you guys went to bed and now well its another day.
I'm only the wiser...
If they're going to copy the freeshards arenas, and add all the options (yes whis is also already listed as features on MANY free shards Lynk)...
why not do it right ? its their game after all, just translate the script already.
And for a game thats become WoW... it only serves to pit the users further against each other in a very unethical competition "vibe" which harms the most vulnerable amongst us.
You guys missed my point !
Usually the "shard wide" competition is organised by the community. If you all remember what happened back 2 years ago about that...
This is another candy to empower the dividers.
I don't lose all "impact" because you guys went to bed and now well its another day.
I'm only the wiser...
If they're going to copy the freeshards arenas, and add all the options (yes whis is also already listed as features on MANY free shards Lynk)...
why not do it right ? its their game after all, just translate the script already.
/Agreed
I think the arena idea is bad in its concept. Besides... the people you WANT tog et into an arena with will never go fight you there anyways.
Wasn't there always an arena in Jhelom? Was this deactivated or something? I wouldn't know, because there are never any players there, but there was an arena once....
Hopefully, they will implement whatever they are working on there so that a little life will come back to that town. I like it there!
Also, is this scheduled to be in publish 73? I thought the graphics upgrade was going to start rolling out next. Hmmm... interesting.
WoW!Good idea, Pinco"The Gladiator" title should be added for who wins at least 1 fight
The winner should also gain in Valor and/or Honor.
How, exactly is this WOW-like in any way, shape or form? This isn't random challenges out in the street anywhere, anytime. Noobs won't be following you around dropping the challenge flag over and over and over and over....
This is formalized combat with a ranking system. Solo and team. It's MUCH better than WOW, because it's small, contained and NOT mandatory for end game enjoyment.
Wow has had arenas for a loooong while now...
Ned... I admit your unconditional love for the game is very... endearing. But UHALL is meant to be critical about how and WHY (very important too) its done.
We're supposed to be like this.
I know that I've elsewhere argued against additional Fel content, but this is completely appropriate, I'm very glad it's happening, it should have happened years ago, I'm puzzled as to why it took so long, and at the moment I've nothing but good feelings for it.
I agree with Martyna's player that Honor and perhaps Valor should be granted for participation in, and victories in, the duels. (Anyone remember the first honor proposal, from almost exactly 10 years ago?)
I also like the idea of titles, and non-useful items granted for participation or victories. (For example, a title for having participated at least once, another for a certain # of victories, and some kind of non-Imbuable, ceremonial sword for winning a certain # of victories over different opponents. Of course the titles would decay over time to encourage participation! Maybe it could work like loyalty points.)
I'm very glad this is going in. Will I ever use it? Probably not, though I can't see myself refusing challenges unless something else is going on! But the point is that others will use it, and use it well, and use it often.
Or, at least, I hope and think so.
-Galen's player
I agree with Martyna's player that Honor and perhaps Valor should be granted for participation in, and victories in, the duels. (Anyone remember the first honor proposal, from almost exactly 10 years ago?)
I also like the idea of titles, and non-useful items granted for participation or victories. (For example, a title for having participated at least once, another for a certain # of victories, and some kind of non-Imbuable, ceremonial sword for winning a certain # of victories over different opponents. Of course the titles would decay over time to encourage participation! Maybe it could work like loyalty points.)
I'm very glad this is going in. Will I ever use it? Probably not, though I can't see myself refusing challenges unless something else is going on! But the point is that others will use it, and use it well, and use it often.
Or, at least, I hope and think so.
-Galen's player
I hope too, and we are right to hope for UO and have every right to.
The only point I bring forth is that it should be made flexible for community building (aka give some community organizers the power to make events out of it with their own rewards ; make it FLEXIBLE and COMMUNITY ORIENTED)
That would be something that requires a little work...
The only point I bring forth is that it should be made flexible for community building (aka give some community organizers the power to make events out of it with their own rewards ; make it FLEXIBLE and COMMUNITY ORIENTED)
That would be something that requires a little work...
So apart from attempting a troll and making a personal direct attack... you bring what argument to this discussion ?
Exept that you think there is none ?
Exept that you think there is none ?
heyyy I tried to heal you but you ran away! then I had to run away, tornado warning irl lol. still using pets, i see ;P.
I'm thinking the size of each arena is going to make it pretty tough on dexxers overall.
I probably shouldn't continue the off topic PvP talk, but from what I know about SixUnder, I can't imagine he wouldn't duel. Zerg guild maybe but he's pretty standalone.So apart from attempting a troll and making a personal direct attack... you bring what argument to this discussion ?
Exept that you think there is none ?
That's one view point. Some people undoubtedly will engage in that behavior. I wonder how many people will consider the fact that this is an opportunity. It may be embellished on as it goes, or not. Can anyone even give it a chance. Can you have a conversation about it without mentioning what the game was like 10 years ago? Or just flame away its just uhall right?
No we cannot, because we old timers have proved our loyalty to the community and have stepped over our own ego enough times by now.
We have every right to compare this "work" the devs do to how it was 10 years ago (when free shards developped arenas for fun) and how the number of players announced on their live servers seem much more thriving. They have also the ranking. Their system is so good its been working and keeping players ENTERTAINED for YEARS.
We don't need to give it a chance, we need to critisize it and ask for better.
How boring would the threads be if everyone said like you want them :
Yay... *pom pom* lets give it a chance. It's better than nothing...
In fact the devs took so much ideas from this community, I'm surprised they didn't name it STRATICS arenas.
Flame ME away if you think I'm not right, but I know you'll just let it go.
We have every right to compare this "work" the devs do to how it was 10 years ago (when free shards developped arenas for fun) and how the number of players announced on their live servers seem much more thriving. They have also the ranking. Their system is so good its been working and keeping players ENTERTAINED for YEARS.
We don't need to give it a chance, we need to critisize it and ask for better.
How boring would the threads be if everyone said like you want them :
Yay... *pom pom* lets give it a chance. It's better than nothing...
In fact the devs took so much ideas from this community, I'm surprised they didn't name it STRATICS arenas.
Flame ME away if you think I'm not right, but I know you'll just let it go.
100% correct =D
The only thing the same about UO Arenas vs WoW Arenas....Is that its an arena lol
These Arenas let you put rules in place, they dont give you a gear advantage/rewards, and let people do more secure fights.
Example: PVP tourney on Atlantic ran by an EM. It failed horribly because of outside interference, people cheating, ect. Now with the Arena system, the rules can be set beforehand making sure you adhere to the rules.
I do think more options need to be added, for example
1. Option to disable fielding
2. No precasting
I played around with a guildy, and he was able to pretty much field off the entire half of the arena before the fight even started. I personally dont think either side should be able to cast in the Arena until it officially starts.
These Arenas let you put rules in place, they dont give you a gear advantage/rewards, and let people do more secure fights.
Example: PVP tourney on Atlantic ran by an EM. It failed horribly because of outside interference, people cheating, ect. Now with the Arena system, the rules can be set beforehand making sure you adhere to the rules.
I do think more options need to be added, for example
1. Option to disable fielding
2. No precasting
I played around with a guildy, and he was able to pretty much field off the entire half of the arena before the fight even started. I personally dont think either side should be able to cast in the Arena until it officially starts.
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AesSedai
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- Great to see this happening.
I tried to search for an old post of mine but it probably got erased (think I've lost 90% of 'em).
If Vex had a hand in this (and I strongly bet he did), I hope we eventually get some methods to put our gold/items on the proverbial table. Think it woudl be a great addition to fairly allow participants and even spectators to be able to place wagers ~ like via an NPC that would hold stuff until a winner / no match / forfeit is decided.. oh the possibilities.
I tried to search for an old post of mine but it probably got erased (think I've lost 90% of 'em).
If Vex had a hand in this (and I strongly bet he did), I hope we eventually get some methods to put our gold/items on the proverbial table. Think it woudl be a great addition to fairly allow participants and even spectators to be able to place wagers ~ like via an NPC that would hold stuff until a winner / no match / forfeit is decided.. oh the possibilities.
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Shinobi
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I haven't checked this out yet, but are there stands surrounding the arenas? If not, it'd be a great addition.
Let me clarify a lil sumn sumn for you Ahu. Uhall is meant to engage discussion yes but in a constructive way. Not in the "I know something you don't know but I can't tell you because you don't know what I know" harping that has become monotonous and not at all constructive.
The mindset that it's "supposed to be like this" is exactly what we combat to keep it constructive. You don't need poms or daggers here, just reasonable discussion.
If seems as if arenas are indeed going in, it might be best to focus on how to test and improve this new function.
I would LOVE to be able to place bets as a spectator too!
There are thought currently in CC you cannot see the whole duel and in the EC client you need to zoom out so far to see it all you lose out on a bit of the content too. I wish they had gone with the bagball arena design instead of the necro arena style. Color me sad.
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olduofan
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yes they have seating around them, very cool looking as well. I feel players will find it to be lots of fun, once people try it (just need for people to try it and realize its ok to die to a pvper it dont hurt I promise). I can see these arenas becoming the next luna hang out, I could be wrong tho
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olduofan
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great idea! wait on second thought i see a lot of scams that could happen with this. like lose and bet against your self?
maybe some sort of underground betting even then not sure how to stop the scams..
sorry is a great idea if we could work out the details some how
I feel like Debbie downer now....
This may bring back the good ole "Friday Night Fights" nighs back on some shards. Catskills used to have them and they were a blast.
Btw....Neds postive and love for the game should be in every conversation. It is actually a fresh of breath air at times reading his posts. reminds me of the passion I once had.
Ned for President
Btw....Neds postive and love for the game should be in every conversation. It is actually a fresh of breath air at times reading his posts. reminds me of the passion I once had.
Ned for President
Maybe in the sense of casting lots? Like you don't know exactly who you will get to bet on, adding an additional suspense to the spectator.great idea! wait on second thought i see a lot of scams that could happen with this. like lose and bet against your self?
maybe some sort of underground betting even then not sure how to stop the scams..
sorry is a great idea if we could work out the details some how
I feel like Debbie downer now....
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olduofan
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AesSedai
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- No worries. Betting has often been rife with scams. Better be ware, and such. I like to think of it as just another way to draw interest and make it have more of a draw for those that aren't fighting.great idea! wait on second thought i see a lot of scams that could happen with this. like lose and bet against your self?
maybe some sort of underground betting even then not sure how to stop the scams..
sorry is a great idea if we could work out the details some how
I feel like Debbie downer now....
In some old posts I was even musing about other Colosseum-type stuff. Kill the lions with only a spear and leather shorts. Tiny ship to ship battles. Mini-war battles. Capture the flag. All while the wealthy royals eat, drink, be merry and bet, heh, right alongside the less fortunate (poor?) fellow citizens. My theory being: it can surely be a community builder too; as much as a place to introduce PvP in a less, hmm, hedged way than what is commonly found out in the wild.
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AesSedai
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- AirmidCecht, thanks for defining UHall more appropriately, as I'd been wanting to do similar.
I can just see it now two players both betting against themselves:great idea! wait on second thought i see a lot of scams that could happen with this. like lose and bet against your self?
maybe some sort of underground betting even then not sure how to stop the scams..
sorry is a great idea if we could work out the details some how
I feel like Debbie downer now....
Player 1: Ow I tripped and sprained my ankle....you win
Player 2: Oops I just accidentally cast curse on myself and then while trying to fix it drank a deadly poison potion and 2 greater explosion potions. I'm dead so you win
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Shinobi
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World's most delayed double post. Ignore this.
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olduofan
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Thanks... but the simple fact that this needed to be explained to me publicly logically debunks that I am a public "character" and companion in UO, I do not belong to myself nor am I allowed to accept any rewards even fame (and you'll understand what I mean by fame, but not now ; because yes I know things you don't but you're right I'm not going to pull everyone to it, as you've noticed I come and go and rarely stalk someone in due course, as if I really was serious to start with)
Yes I'm a little mad, but that what love does, dosen't it ? Didn't we have Lum the Mad ? everyone liked him, and his discourse was very close to mine... very maybe too close, and so was Zog (and NO I am not Zog you nerds)... and many people like him on the other side.
But this is constructive... the point I brought forth is extremely constructive, in the real extreme. Extremely.
There is now an ethical side of the coin, a fascet of the gem if you will ; that must be considered if community is to endure and you would be the first to know.
Your duty I guess, is to know.
And in case you don't know, I'm actually standing on the same side of the veil you are... which makes things a bit more complex since I won @ UO.
*rofl, look at me, do I even deserve a reply ?*
Maybe just because I made the "effort" of structuring my tought... you have pity on me ?
I am much older than you think (in character), you do not know enough pity to fathom the pain my soul endured, not yet or unobnoxiously this would have been sent to me via IM.
Grow up... its never too late to start again. And this is not an insult, thats what any real friend would tell you, you Avatar, are worth more than to take heart and reply to Ahu, who isn't worthy of such attention. And I am very aware as to why (and did not hide anything to this community) I deserve that "punishment" along with all the others you know familiar to Raistlin and Berem and Beren and Radaghast.
I say :
Very simply indeed :
A functionality that needs to be added is flexibility for the community to do events that YES will be "hack proofed" by the machine (and we know how far this goes... its a LONG shot) but NO will not be given
THE HOLY POWER OF COMMUNITY DISCRIMINATION
as in, you go out, we know you're not in for fun.
*role play fill in here*
Super important for "community" to happen.
I am on the same side than you guys...
Yes I'm a little mad, but that what love does, dosen't it ? Didn't we have Lum the Mad ? everyone liked him, and his discourse was very close to mine... very maybe too close, and so was Zog (and NO I am not Zog you nerds)... and many people like him on the other side.
But this is constructive... the point I brought forth is extremely constructive, in the real extreme. Extremely.
There is now an ethical side of the coin, a fascet of the gem if you will ; that must be considered if community is to endure and you would be the first to know.
Your duty I guess, is to know.
And in case you don't know, I'm actually standing on the same side of the veil you are... which makes things a bit more complex since I won @ UO.
*rofl, look at me, do I even deserve a reply ?*
Maybe just because I made the "effort" of structuring my tought... you have pity on me ?
I am much older than you think (in character), you do not know enough pity to fathom the pain my soul endured, not yet or unobnoxiously this would have been sent to me via IM.
Grow up... its never too late to start again. And this is not an insult, thats what any real friend would tell you, you Avatar, are worth more than to take heart and reply to Ahu, who isn't worthy of such attention. And I am very aware as to why (and did not hide anything to this community) I deserve that "punishment" along with all the others you know familiar to Raistlin and Berem and Beren and Radaghast.
I say :
Very simply indeed :
A functionality that needs to be added is flexibility for the community to do events that YES will be "hack proofed" by the machine (and we know how far this goes... its a LONG shot) but NO will not be given
THE HOLY POWER OF COMMUNITY DISCRIMINATION
as in, you go out, we know you're not in for fun.
*role play fill in here*
Super important for "community" to happen.
I am on the same side than you guys...
all in all the real dagger here is the fact that money in UO = money in real life even if not much ...
"gambling" inside UO is not something PG-13 and it should not even be discovered...
I can almost feel you are going to take it all personally but it isn't ; I have no pleasure in saying what I have been saying lately... none at all... the community needs this GRIM OMEN, to remind them of how fragile we are after all.
We need to stand up for whats ethical, and we need to do it soon...
"gambling" inside UO is not something PG-13 and it should not even be discovered...
I can almost feel you are going to take it all personally but it isn't ; I have no pleasure in saying what I have been saying lately... none at all... the community needs this GRIM OMEN, to remind them of how fragile we are after all.
We need to stand up for whats ethical, and we need to do it soon...
You tell em Reffi ! 
ah... life...
ah... life...
*face palm*So apart from attempting a troll and making a personal direct attack... you bring what argument to this discussion ?
Exept that you think there is none ?
anyway, arena is a great idea. One thing that has lacked inside of UO is organized fighting.
btw, someone want to take out the trash? thanks...
Thanks, again...
*pins one liner on wall*
*pins one liner on wall*
What were you sayin ?
i dont enjoy pvp unless theres something to gain, and i don't count insurance money as something to gain... years ago it was the loot and regs on people ud get from killing them, fighting over champ spawns offers something to gain as well, but arenas is just dueling for bragging rights which i guess is a good thing for people to settle differences and wager gold on it or have some kind of tournament but i still prefer fighting over something to gain
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Didn't we have Lum the Mad ?
Lum had his own site
...his discourse was very close to mine... very maybe too close
Umm... not quite.
Didn't we have Lum the Mad ?
Lum had his own site
...his discourse was very close to mine... very maybe too close
Umm... not quite.
go read his last interviews... I really doubt you can recall everything just on a whim...
I hold you in high esteem Dermott, as a rational human...
lets not go down this road ; this thread is about the arenas.
I hold you in high esteem Dermott, as a rational human...
lets not go down this road ; this thread is about the arenas.
First and fore most some free shards have excellent fighting systems from pure mage to full template, resources, fields /no fields ect. I don't see what's wrong with that after seeing it work well wondering why doesn't Production put something like that in. Same with the events they run like Capture the Flag and other shard wide events.
For those are talking about loot, I can't speak for all pvpers, but the true pvpers will love this just for a fight. It's rather ironic that a lot people talking about zergs and even number fights are all in zergs on their respective shards, if not all that they play. Who wouldn't enjoy Even numbered fights, All true pvpers would be all for this, however most people say they want even number fights and just like to sit in the middle of their force that outnumbers the opposition 3-1.
Next I like that a fee is an option. I remember a case where two players were going back and fourth talking trash. One player we'll call him UixSunder Challenged another to fight get on his thrower and fight thrower v thrower. Said challenger gets on his thrower, kills UixSunder and Uixsunder decides since it wasn't the exact same template he wouldn't pay. Comical. I like that there is no need for saying get a broker and all this bs.
Really all they have to do is fine tune what spells you can use, granted this is a lot more difficult since free shards(most of them anyways) are from eras where you don't have anything more than magery. They don't have to worry about chiv necro bush ninja mystic and all that jazz.
For those are talking about loot, I can't speak for all pvpers, but the true pvpers will love this just for a fight. It's rather ironic that a lot people talking about zergs and even number fights are all in zergs on their respective shards, if not all that they play. Who wouldn't enjoy Even numbered fights, All true pvpers would be all for this, however most people say they want even number fights and just like to sit in the middle of their force that outnumbers the opposition 3-1.
Next I like that a fee is an option. I remember a case where two players were going back and fourth talking trash. One player we'll call him UixSunder Challenged another to fight get on his thrower and fight thrower v thrower. Said challenger gets on his thrower, kills UixSunder and Uixsunder decides since it wasn't the exact same template he wouldn't pay. Comical. I like that there is no need for saying get a broker and all this bs.
Really all they have to do is fine tune what spells you can use, granted this is a lot more difficult since free shards(most of them anyways) are from eras where you don't have anything more than magery. They don't have to worry about chiv necro bush ninja mystic and all that jazz.
Forced to ABSOLUTELY agree with Solus here.....Obviously a player like that ^ would be completely against the idea. Anything to end the random zerging and ganking going on within the game. The bad pvpers will no longer have good players to gank. They'll all be at the arenas.