In your opinon....

[pgib]

Time to look for a new job maybe.

 

[Ender]

<rolls eyes> Yes... I know what a user interface is. <laughs>




I tend to use the superior UI, the CC. I tried the latest new one and in spite of all it's added features, it's still inferior. I put up with it when I use it for the larger possible display window, other than that, I use the superior quality CC. Old & venerable it may be, but business's did things right back in those days. These days it's slap something together quickly & cheaply and call it the new improved version, and pile the baloney into the rave advertisements. Let the buyer beware.

The last 25 years of my career was working in Quality Control, the last 18 as Leader. I didn't accept anything that was 'good enough', or 'close', things were made & done right, or were rejected. The Enhanced Client, while not a complete fail, isn't good.

Love the EC & rave about it all you want, most of the players know it's not good and are staying with the CC. Play the CC more and maybe the reasons why will sink in.

Bro if you think the CC has a better user interface than the EC, you really aren't too qualified to be in Quality Control.

Or maybe you're perfectly qualified, actually.

 

[Tanivar]

Time to look for a new job maybe.

I spent the last 18 years as leader because as annoying as my fussiness and hard edged good/bad attitude was to many of the production supervisors and the higher ups, the customers who bought the products liked the improvement in the quality & reliability of our products. Happy customers and an improvement in market share made my attitude tolerable.

 

[Tanivar]

Bro if you think the CC has a better user interface than the EC, you really aren't too qualified to be in Quality Control.

You sound like someone production supervisors would love. Like the guy I replaced.

As I said above,

Love the EC & rave about it all you want, most of the players know it's not good and are staying with the CC. Play the CC more and maybe the reasons why will sink in.

It will take longer with some.

 

[MalagAste]

Personally I agree with you to a point. I don't know how you can take this game to the next level due to it's issues with... lots of stuff. Let's look at actions for instance. What I mean by that is that you can't even jump, swim, climb/jump off a hill. It's so limited that no new interface will be able to bring it up to current industry levels. If they slap a new shell on the game, there will still be some extremely powerful and wealthy characters messing with the economy. No newbie is going to come to a game that flaunts player housing and stay once they find out that there is no place to actually place a house.

It's a toughie! What they could do is create a new game, just like they were doing with UOX and UO2 and while they were building this game, provide everyone who pre-ordered a discounted (or free w/cash store) account in UO, that could raise some money to get the new game going and get the new players up to speed on the game world.

I'm confident that they have the code for the UOX and UO2 games laying around there somewhere. Dust that stuff off and check it out! It might still be worth bringing to market with some upgrades!

As far as everyone getting to keep thier stuff if any new game was created, I don't think that could or would ever happen. The playing field is too crazy now, there's no way they would skew a new game by giving a few individuals a huge amount of cash, magic items and housing.

As a side note, it's possible that EA is keeping UO online so that they can claim the title of Longest Running MMO Company which could boost their other titles a bit. Either that or they do have plans, but need to roll out SWTOR and Neverwinter first.

I highlighted that part for a reason... You know when I first came to UO that was exactly the case... I started at the "peak"... there wasn't a single spot to place anything not even a 7x7. When I realized that I was really kinda pissed at first... At the time a 7x7 little small tower cost 5 million in gold..... a HUGE sum of gold I figured I'd NEVER see.

Well it took me a long time to get that 5 million (Oh and Gold was selling for about 25 dollars per million!). But I did get it and I bought my first house.

Right now you can go to just about ANY shard and place a Max storage house. It may not be a full 18x18 on some shards but you can get a Max lockdown house.

So I'm a tad confused about the statement.

 

[Lady Storm]

You know... I couldn't agree with you less. Your argument is that we need to keep the old look and feel of the game which makes the old players happy and keeps new players away.... That has to be the worst possible scenario for any game. How long do you think it will be before even the old vets get bored and move on with no replacements? This game needs new players to survive, not the old guys who have multiple accounts.

The game must update and attract new players to survive, otherwise it's fleas on the back of a dying dog. We need a new dog....

I dont care what you agree with. I just know I pay a hell of alot more money to this game then you do, Way more. Ill put up my 47 accounts payments against yours any day kiddo. If that were the case of who EA would follow, who do you think will win out???

I play CC but I did try to do EC for over 2 months and got so bad in headaches that made me physicaly sick. The game screen was to blame. My stroke and brain didnt like it. I am not alone.
I did play the box virsion of uo and taught my son who is in his mid 30s now. Yes I will agree uo is very old graphics but 3d might not be the answer we need. perhaps a better 2d...
I am not saying take EC away but keep it and do as they do now support both for those who want 3d and 2d.


BTW did any of you notice not one comment about the other things just EC..... WE need better from EA and you all nit pick over graphics..... wake up and look at why you play UO I play for the enjoyment of what i find fun in the game not what the look of the picture. If i wanted better graphics id stay in wow and forget uo.

 

[Ender]

You sound like someone production supervisors would love. Like the guy I replaced.

As I said above,

Love the EC & rave about it all you want, most of the players know it's not good and are staying with the CC. Play the CC more and maybe the reasons why will sink in.

It will take longer with some.

I grew up playing the CC. And its INTERFACE is far inferior to the INTERFACE in the Enhanced Client.

You do realize that we're not talking about graphics or performance or anything, right?

People don't refuse to use the EC because of its interface, they refuse to play it because of graphics.

The interface is objectively better than the 15 year old interface in the CC.

 

[Prince Caspian]

I dont care what you agree with. I just know I pay a hell of alot more money to this game then you do, Way more. Ill put up my 47 accounts payments against yours any day kiddo. If that were the case of who EA would follow, who do you think will win out???

Devil's advocate here....

...um, would that be the Ned Flanders Devil's advocate?

But seriously...

I have only one Ultima Online Account. Yes, you fill EA's coffers much more than I, literally hundredfolds more.

But I don't think that entitles you to trump anyone else's opinion. We all play this game, we all put time into it, and we will all form our own opinions. I know I spend more time on this game than people with multiple accounts (although other certainly spend much much more time than I as well).

I hate to say, but if EA would start polling our opinions and organizing them, of which gets credence, by who pays the most each month. I'd call that rather unfair.

No offense, Lady Storm. I respect you as a longtime poster but I think this particular argument is a strawman.

 

[Ned888]

I dont care what you agree with. I just know I pay a hell of alot more money to this game then you do, Way more. Ill put up my 47 accounts payments against yours any day kiddo. If that were the case of who EA would follow, who do you think will win out???

I play CC but I did try to do EC for over 2 months and got so bad in headaches that made me physicaly sick. The game screen was to blame. My stroke and brain didnt like it. I am not alone.
I did play the box virsion of uo and taught my son who is in his mid 30s now. Yes I will agree uo is very old graphics but 3d might not be the answer we need. perhaps a better 2d...
I am not saying take EC away but keep it and do as they do now support both for those who want 3d and 2d.

You're absolutely right. I have a single account and that's all I'm willing to pay for. I can only imagine the massive amount of stuff you have amassed in your vast collection of accounts.... Whatever though. EA would drop you like a hot rock for a batch of newbies. You'd lose in a second.

For the record though, it's gonna happen. Either the game is going to evolve or it's going to die out. You may put in your $610.53 a month for your 47 accounts, but I can pretty much guarantee that EA will not be supporting the CC forever. It's not economically feasable and you know how companies are with their economics! They really care a lot more about that than they do some guy who has 47 accounts.

Just some thoughts to keep you warm.

 

[Ned888]

I highlighted that part for a reason... You know when I first came to UO that was exactly the case... I started at the "peak"... there wasn't a single spot to place anything not even a 7x7. When I realized that I was really kinda pissed at first... At the time a 7x7 little small tower cost 5 million in gold..... a HUGE sum of gold I figured I'd NEVER see.

Well it took me a long time to get that 5 million (Oh and Gold was selling for about 25 dollars per million!). But I did get it and I bought my first house.

Right now you can go to just about ANY shard and place a Max storage house. It may not be a full 18x18 on some shards but you can get a Max lockdown house.

So I'm a tad confused about the statement.

As soon as it's announced that a new version will be out and you get to keep your junk, there will be a flood of old timers getting on a placing housing that they can instantly afford with the millions of gold that they left in the bank when they logged off. Either that, or some of the more money hungry vets will create new accounts, buy houses and then sell them on ebay.

There will be no place for a newbie to put a house in a matter of a week.

It's the sad truth; which is why a wipe will most likely be the way they would go.

 

[Lady Storm]

If that was the case then we all just best quit while we are ahead of the game. Let the game die in peace. Then you see what EA will do to the Ultima franchise.

Bean counters run bussiness not the people who put the money into it. Thats true of all types of companys. Why should EA be any different.

One day, maybe sooner then we all would like UO will die. I am expecting something like that to happen very soon. EA has done all it can to make us drop the game like a hot potato. That just might be what they would like for us to do.

Think on it for a second, no support, bad managment, bugs up the kazoo, little fixes and always late...... if this was a RL supply company it would be out of business by now!

EA might be wanting UO to die so the NEW ULTIMA can be born.
But....
If you want better EC go to another game. IF EC was the only option I wont pay for it.

 

[Ned888]

BTW did any of you notice not one comment about the other things just EC..... WE need better from EA and you all nit pick over graphics..... wake up and look at why you play UO I play for the enjoyment of what i find fun in the game not what the look of the picture. If i wanted better graphics id stay in wow and forget uo.

Graphics sell the game. It's a sad commentary on the state of the gaming industry.

I'm glad you find enjoyment in the game, but it will be small comfort if they are unable to find a way to revitalize it. There's no nit-picking on my part, I'm just providing my opinion on what could help and what the current state of the game is. I am also providing my opinion on other people's posts. These opinions are based on many years of playing games, and working in the IT field. I like to think I'm not too stupid, but time will tell.

Anyway, it's one of those 'you-post-I-post' type environments here on the boards. Please try to not to take things too personally, you'll just get upset and the issue will get dilluted.

 

[Kayne]

I don't really think that arguing about who is right and who is wrong is getting us anywhere. Some say the quality is rubbish, some say the person is wrong. Some say they wont pay if EC stays some say EC rules. Its the same bloody never ending circle argument that rages on UHall all the time.

Please lets go back to answering the original question and stop with the circular argument we know will only lead to the thread being locked

 

[Tanivar]

Please lets go back to answering the original question and stop with the circular argument we know will only lead to the thread being locked

Sounds like a good idea.

 

[Woodsman]

...

1. COMMUNICATION. Some teams have done better than others, but after the demise of Five on Friday up through today, that level has dropped horribly.

This is my #1 as well. Until they fix this, and it looked like they might have with the new Ultima producer, but that fell apart, nothing else matters. The biggest concern to me is that UO is sharing a community relations person with two other games, and it's clear that's not working out. Warhammer players seems to be his favorite. Of course, Warhammer is in the worst shape so maybe they need the reassurance or something.

#2 Graphics update. Without it, UO stagnates and new players will never come in, in the numbers needed.

#3 Focus on new players. Trying to keep existing players happy is important, but it's not exactly been working out. That includes the graphics update. We haven't heard anything about the new player experience in months, meanwhile Camelot is getting a huge new player update. Take lessons from Camelot. An influx of new players will make a lot of existing players very happy.

#4 Do something with the herald. It's pathetic. It's the first thing new players see and it leaves a really bad impression of a game that is being neglected. Study UltimaOnline.jp

#5 Deal with the scripters. That includes the search sites. Allowing them to openly script sends a bad sign. The scripter characters were named on Stratics at the start of the year. It's October, they are still around and upgrading their websites to make them get the scripting results posted that much faster. If you don't deal with the easiest scripters, nobody thinks you'll deal with the others.

 

[Dermott of LS]

...

On your 2 - 5...

2. Graphic Update: Absolutely, we already know how well the current client(s) have done in terms of simply retaining playerbase let alone bringing in new sub numbers (rather poorly). And like it or not, graphics are the first impression you get about a game. No graphics update = no way to effectively advertise to new customer base or no way to attempt to bring people over from newer MMOGs even if the gameplay is lesser quality in the newer ones.

3. Yes.

4. This really goes into Communication for me.

5. The Search sites I actually have no problem with (other than that they give Luna shops an unwelcome advantage), it really goes to show that the game NEEDS a global player-vendor search of some type done internally. The rest comes down to the CS/Policing issue.

 

[iamSnippa]

<rolls eyes> Yes... I know what a user interface is. <laughs>




I tend to use the superior UI, the CC. I tried the latest new one and in spite of all it's added features, it's still inferior. I put up with it when I use it for the larger possible display window, other than that, I use the superior quality CC. Old & venerable it may be, but business's did things right back in those days. These days it's slap something together quickly & cheaply and call it the new improved version, and pile the baloney into the rave advertisements. Let the buyer beware.

The last 25 years of my career was working in Quality Control, the last 18 as Leader. I didn't accept anything that was 'good enough', or 'close', things were made & done right, or were rejected. The Enhanced Client, while not a complete fail, isn't good.

Love the EC & rave about it all you want, most of the players know it's not good and are staying with the CC. Play the CC more and maybe the reasons why will sink in.

Well, I gave examples as to why the EC interface is superior. Are there any examples you can give as to why the CC interface is superior? Because I honestly cannot see a single way that it is looking at it myself. If you can provide any good examples it will very likely shut up me and the rest of the people who are pushing/making arguments in favor of the EC over the CC.

As you claim to have worked in quality control for more than 2 decades, I would assume if that is true, you should be able to make a credible list of examples that show your point and convince the people you are trying to.