Come on EMs & Dev Team...

[Ahuaeyjnkxs]

I know some player take things way past the mark here but.... It is very important for UO to have a free and open market. I for one have always set the market here as my yard stick to other games and have ALWAYS been disappointed!

Thats my speciality sir... and lets mark your words since they are at the complete opposite of my political view on the issue.

It's two worlds appart, the difference between your type and mine, is that your political stance can destroy community... mine can only create.

 

[neptune1369]

The EM Events will and have always ''seemed'' to be unfair.

The main problem is the usually small time notice that is given on each shard that there is an event. [Yet] always the same group of people ''seem'' to attend on every shard on every event at any time of the day???

WORK THAT ONE OUT???

I'm not normally vocal but I had to reply especially to this part....I'm one of the people your probably talking about, I go to a lot of events....I enjoy events..... and you know why I know about them....because every night when I get home from work I check the website for every shard and stratics....yep you read it, every night, I check it the way most people check email. If you want to know where and when they are it's easy.... it takes maybe 10min to run threw them all and scan for that days date. There is no big magic bubble that I get to know where they are .. I WORK at it. You can't blame the people who take the time for someone who doesn't want to be bothered.

Second part
I think the other part people forget to factor in is that ok, that 2hr event dropped an item and whoohoo for me if I actually managed to get one, and if it's not one of the "type" I collect sure I'll sell it.......but how many other events did I go to and how many other hours did I spend where I didn't get an item...... when you actually factor it out and add in all the ones where all you "get" is a lot of death robes and fun....that costs me money, money I have to transfer to that shard in the first place (transfer tokens you wanna talk about things that make ea money) the "instant" profit that people seem to think are on rares items isn't so instant. Eventing/Rares collecting should recognized as a profession all on it's own. Keep in mind most of the "regulars" people are complaining about....well you know what we spent hours on every one of those shards making characters, and money to set them up. Why people think we show up make a character in two seconds and get rich in under an hour I'll never understand..........try it, it's way more work then you probably think it is.....I know this cause a year ago I was saying the same things until the friend I was saying them about got me hooked and showed me what was involved.

I can honestly say I like the pixel crack, I've never denied it. I don't think there is a problem with that, at the end of the event if I didn't get anything its a shoulder shrug and mental better luck next time, but the em always gets a "Thank you em _____ for the fun I'll see you next time". I think the problem is with people being disruptive and rude. Give the em's powers to deal with those people, love the idea of being able to kick them out.

I made the choice to collect rares, and I made the choice to play the game by making characters to go to events, and a part of what keeps bringing people coming to uo is the all the choices you have. You don't always have to enjoy the same thing that some one else does. Nor are you committed to that path forever. But why then is my choice any less respectable than anyone else's, have I not payed for my accounts faithfully every month for over 11yrs? Why does that make my choice less valuable than someone who wants to farm stat scrolls from Harry's? Or spending all day in doom collecting arties?

As for one character in a no recall zone type clickies, bring em on, I love them, means I just got to take my personal pixel crack home.

For the em's and dev's and all those other folks who put the work into these things because I know you read these boards... Thank you

I agree with Galen saying the unappreciative are more vocal but the folks that enjoy your efforts really do appreciate it..... and I think if the em events were done away with...with or without goodies uo would suffer for it.

Angelina

So very true ,could not have said it better

 

[THP]

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Originally Posted by Nistra
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Originally Posted by THP
The EM Events will and have always ''seemed'' to be unfair.

The main problem is the usually small time notice that is given on each shard that there is an event. [Yet] always the same group of people ''seem'' to attend on every shard on every event at any time of the day???

WORK THAT ONE OUT???

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I'm not normally vocal but I had to reply especially to this part....I'm one of the people your probably talking about, I go to a lot of events....I enjoy events..... and you know why I know about them....because every night when I get home from work I check the website for every shard and stratics....yep you read it, every night, I check it the way most people check email. If you want to know where and when they are it's easy.... it takes maybe 10min to run threw them all and scan for that days date. There is no big magic bubble that I get to know where they are .. I WORK at it. You can't blame the people who take the time for someone who doesn't want to be bothered.

Second part
I think the other part people forget to factor in is that ok, that 2hr event dropped an item and whoohoo for me if I actually managed to get one, and if it's not one of the "type" I collect sure I'll sell it.......but how many other events did I go to and how many other hours did I spend where I didn't get an item...... when you actually factor it out and add in all the ones where all you "get" is a lot of death robes and fun....that costs me money, money I have to transfer to that shard in the first place (transfer tokens you wanna talk about things that make ea money) the "instant" profit that people seem to think are on rares items isn't so instant. Eventing/Rares collecting should recognized as a profession all on it's own. Keep in mind most of the "regulars" people are complaining about....well you know what we spent hours on every one of those shards making characters, and money to set them up. Why people think we show up make a character in two seconds and get rich in under an hour I'll never understand..........try it, it's way more work then you probably think it is.....I know this cause a year ago I was saying the same things until the friend I was saying them about got me hooked and showed me what was involved.

I can honestly say I like the pixel crack, I've never denied it. I don't think there is a problem with that, at the end of the event if I didn't get anything its a shoulder shrug and mental better luck next time, but the em always gets a "Thank you em _____ for the fun I'll see you next time". I think the problem is with people being disruptive and rude. Give the em's powers to deal with those people, love the idea of being able to kick them out.

I made the choice to collect rares, and I made the choice to play the game by making characters to go to events, and a part of what keeps bringing people coming to uo is the all the choices you have. You don't always have to enjoy the same thing that some one else does. Nor are you committed to that path forever. But why then is my choice any less respectable than anyone else's, have I not payed for my accounts faithfully every month for over 11yrs? Why does that make my choice less valuable than someone who wants to farm stat scrolls from Harry's? Or spending all day in doom collecting arties?

As for one character in a no recall zone type clickies, bring em on, I love them, means I just got to take my personal pixel crack home.

For the em's and dev's and all those other folks who put the work into these things because I know you read these boards... Thank you

I agree with Galen saying the unappreciative are more vocal but the folks that enjoy your efforts really do appreciate it..... and I think if the em events were done away with...with or without goodies uo would suffer for it.

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Angelina
So very true ,could not have said it better

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This part makes my bum hole laugh so much.............

I can honestly say I like the pixel crack, I've never denied it. I don't think there is a problem with that, at the end of the event if I didn't get anything its a shoulder shrug and mental better luck next time, but the em always gets a "Thank you em _____ for the fun I'll see you next time''

0h U MISSED A BIT......

and when i doooo get lucky with a item or two i say.........

"Thank you em _____ for the fun I'll see you next time...and thanks for the 100 millo item iam going to sell quicker than the wind to the highest bidder on this shard that i dont even play on''

 

[THP]

Hey if ...........U CANT BEAT EM JOIN EM... tried to buy 2 em event items on my own shard last week and both went over 120m...each.....aint no way playing a normal game/normal shard can buy that **** week in week out....

CU Guys on your shard real soooooooooooooon...

 

[Europa Trader]

Hey if ...........U CANT BEAT EM JOIN EM... tried to buy 2 em event items on my own shard last week and both went over 120m...each.....aint no way playing a normal game/normal shard can buy that **** week in week out....

CU Guys on your shard real soooooooooooooon...

Depends on how you play the game, there are many ways to make gold and a lot of gold playing maybe 2-4 hours a week. Hunting and get lucky, Fishing and get lucky, Trading, Attend events and get lucky. its all about how you play, you used to do a lot of IDOCs and today was a Luna one and placement could have made you 200-400m.
You dont have the time anymore do something else that doesnt take up a lot of time. Sometimes it even takes gold to make gold.

 

[Charin]

If you ever came to a napa EM event.. we have 2 em's.. their events are always griefed by the same 4 people... and the EM's will joke and cut up with them nonstop in Global chat. Its to the point you cant even do the dang em events because of these players. Anything from fishing eventswhere a guy tossed in 10 of the fabeled fishingnets to kil the fishing tourney, to lureing Greater dragons to the location for part of a Treasure hunt quest. I gave up on EM events cause ofthe griefers.. and I know quite a few others who have as well. I think the EM's need checked out and monitered somehow.....

 

[Nistra]

0h U MISSED A BIT......

and when i doooo get lucky with a item or two i say.........

"Thank you em _____ for the fun I'll see you next time...and thanks for the 100 millo item iam going to sell quicker than the wind to the highest bidder on this shard that i dont even play on''

You might want to learn about an individual before you assume things. I hardly ever sell what I get, I LIKE pixel crack ...... that means it comes to my home shard where it gets placed in my (public) house. Don't assume that everyone whose at events is there just to make a money. I spend way more on purchasing them then I ever make on selling them.

 

[Yalp]

I've long had problems with rare EM event items being given to a select few when it takes an entire shard to deliver the outcome. If it take 30 people to bring down the select enemy then everyone deserves the spoils. But I've been soundly beaten about the head and neck by the rares collectors for having such a Unitarian view of community effort and participation. So I'm determined to not participate in such events... and I know I'm not alone.

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

I've long had problems with rare EM event items being given to a select few when it takes an entire shard to deliver the outcome. If it take 30 people to bring down the select enemy then everyone deserves the spoils. But I've been soundly beaten about the head and neck by the rares collectors for having such a Unitarian view of community effort and participation. So I'm determined to not participate in such events... and I know I'm not alone.

If you feel entitled to an item from your having participated, than, yes, you probably shouldn't come. It kind of suggests the item is the sole reason you are there and, since most events don't have an item, at any given event you aren't likely to get one even if all items really were given out to all.

It's not too much different from those, all-too-common on Great Lakes, who feel they are entitled to an item because they think they just own.

Also not too much different from those, also all-too-common on Great Lakes, who whine when an item is available to everyone, that it's not rare enough, that there are too many.

Also not too much different from those, also all-too-common on Great Lakes, who whine when an item is available to everyone, but isn't available for long enough.

Or too long.

I have noticed a pattern: To many, the ideal EM is at once useful, not useful, available to all, but is at the same time is super-rare and very valuable. It comes from killing the big boss monster but also can be gotten by characters of minimal skill who don't necessarily have the ability to kill said monster.

-Galen's player

 

[Yalp]

If you feel entitled to an item from your having participated, than, yes, you probably shouldn't come. It kind of suggests the item is the sole reason you are there and, since most events don't have an item, at any given event you aren't likely to get one even if all items really were given out to all.

It's not too much different from those, all-too-common on Great Lakes, who feel they are entitled to an item because they think they just own.

Also not too much different from those, also all-too-common on Great Lakes, who whine when an item is available to everyone, that it's not rare enough, that there are too many.

Also not too much different from those, also all-too-common on Great Lakes, who whine when an item is available to everyone, but isn't available for long enough.

Or too long.

I have noticed a pattern: To many, the ideal EM is at once useful, not useful, available to all, but is at the same time is super-rare and very valuable. It comes from killing the big boss monster but also can be gotten by characters of minimal skill who don't necessarily have the ability to kill said monster.

-Galen's player

No, as usual the point is missed.

For EM events which require more than a single player to produce a successful outcome, it is wrong to reward a single individual or any number of individuals that sum less than the total amount of players required to produce a successful outcome.


For example.. If you, as a sole individual can produce a successful outcome to the EM event, then have all the rewards you can carry in your little pack and sell them for the billions in gold you desire. If you, as a sole individual need the assistance of your fellow players to produce said successful completion, then everyone who participated should be rewarded with the same event items. No one individual should benefit when they needed the assistance of their fellow players.. all should benefit. If you feel that you need to take the effort of your fellow players and reap the benefits of that effort, I would call you a selfish prig.

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

No, as usual the point is missed.

For EM events which require more than a single player to produce a successful outcome, it is wrong to reward a single individual or any number of individuals that sum less than the total amount of players required to produce a successful outcome.


For example.. If you, as a sole individual can produce a successful outcome to the EM event, then have all the rewards you can carry in your little pack and sell them for the billions in gold you desire. If you, as a sole individual need the assistance of your fellow players to produce said successful completion, then everyone who participated should be rewarded with the same event items. No one individual should benefit when they needed the assistance of their fellow players.. all should benefit. If you feel that you need to take the effort of your fellow players and reap the benefits of that effort, I would call you a selfish prig.

No, I think it's actually you who is missing, or ignoring, your own point here.

You did something. You feel entitled to a reward. You have not been subtle on this point.

When I say things close to what you're saying, advocating a broader spectrum for all kinds of rewards, i get called a Communist by others; when I say things deviating from what you're saying, I get called a prig by you.

I guess that means I probably have it right.

You should attend EM events for the plot; the reward is defeating whatever threat there was to defeat. If you are on a shard where there is no plot, and just random spawn? Come to a shard with a better EM.

Or just go for the fun of random fights.

There is surely a place where it's reasonable to expect a reward, but there's plenty of things like that already in-game. Power scrolls will spawn when a champ dies. Sooner or later artifacts will spawn in the Doom Gauntlet. Gold will always spawn on monsters. Corgul's drop rates tend to be high. Etc.

Plenty of ways to get rich in this game.

EM events benefit from having many different kinds of item drops. And, of course, most times there is no drop at all.

If the drops are why you're coming? Better that you do something else. If everyone present gets a reward, there's still the fact that most events won't spawn items, hence the odds are against your getting one at any given event.

Sometimes I get items; sometimes I don't. I'd rather get them, of course.

But, as the items aren't the sole reason why I'm there? It works out either way.

-Galen's player

 

[Theo_GL]

On Pacific last EM event they handed out "Toy Soldiers," well apparently now everyone that didn’t get one wants one, so the owners are selling them for 100+ mill

This is just ridiculous, people work hard in the game to hunt, mine, fish, tailor, whatever to make money just to see their hard work when a EM hands a 100+ mill item to people for them to sell and make fast money.

Now before you pass judgment on what I am saying please let me state that A) I don’t have a toy solider B) I don’t want a toy solider C) I have enough money and I am not personally affected by this situation. I just don’t like what is going on in the community and honestly feel it is hurting rather than helping.

My SOLUTION: After EM event ends put the item on the EM NPC that announces events. Have them for sale for 5-10 mil. It will avoid these inflated asking prices and provide a nice little gold sink

Why is it that people believe they need to own every item in game? Do you want to play on test shard?

What skills does the toy soldier give you that make it so you can't compete? None?

So what if someone obtains an item another idiot would pay 100m for? What is the problem?

Because you didn't get one?

Who cares? Go camp idocs or some other way to riches... Honestly - does anyone really need money in UO anymore?

 

[popps]

On Pacific last EM event they handed out "Toy Soldiers," well apparently now everyone that didn’t get one wants one, so the owners are selling them for 100+ mill

This is just ridiculous, people work hard in the game to hunt, mine, fish, tailor, whatever to make money just to see their hard work when a EM hands a 100+ mill item to people for them to sell and make fast money.

Now before you pass judgment on what I am saying please let me state that A) I don’t have a toy solider B) I don’t want a toy solider C) I have enough money and I am not personally affected by this situation. I just don’t like what is going on in the community and honestly feel it is hurting rather than helping.

My SOLUTION: After EM event ends put the item on the EM NPC that announces events. Have them for sale for 5-10 mil. It will avoid these inflated asking prices and provide a nice little gold sink

I do not like EM Events. I wonder how many players actually participate to the Events for the Events themselves, and how many for the items handed out that they can then sell for millions.

Personally, I think that the reason to hand out any given item at an Event should be as a "souvenir" to players to remember their participation to that Event. That is, these items should be always account bound and not tradeable.

They could be locked down, displayed but never ever traded to other players and if a player drops them on the ground and another player picks them up, the moment these account bound EM Events items touch an account different to the one that "earned" them, they'd vanish, go "poof".......

EM Events items should not be given to players to make millions of gold, but only as something to remember participation for that given player to that Event.

I totally dislike the new rares factory that EM Events has become.

That's how I see it.

 

[popps]

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If the EMs did NOT give out a trinket in some form or fashion, people would be complaining constantly about the pointlessness of the EM program (not all, but most). Everyone wants a goodie if they're going to spend their time outside of their normal play habits.

Events should be attended because of the EVENT, not because of whatever item that will come at the end of the Event.

This said, I can understand that players might want something to remember their participation to that Event. This is reasonable and acceptable IMHO. But then, whatever item is given to players at the end of any given Event should be made as account bound and, therefore, not tradeable to other players.

These EM Events items could be locked down, displayed, but never ever traded to other players and if a player drops them on the ground and another player picks them up, the moment these account bound EM Events items touch an account different to the one that "earned" them, they'd vanish, go "poof".......

Furthermore, by separating the EM Event from the items (items handed out at the end of the Event would cease to have any commercial value...), this would make it possible to better evaluate Event Moderators design of Events.

Since no longer players would participate to Events for the items being given, but for the Events themselves, those Events more participated by players (of course as a percentage on the total shard population...) would allow to better see which Events were more popular and so which EMs were better at designing, preparing and performing them.

This is the only way I could possible accept items being handed out at the end of EM Events.

 

[popps]

Honestly - does anyone really need money in UO anymore?

Well, the more the wealth, the better the armor and weapons and 120 powerscrolls that one can get.

And the better gear and armor, in an item based game, means the higher chances to win fights.

That is, having more gold make it easier and more likely that one can compete at high levels with other players.........

Yes, imbuing and the release of replica items has reduced a little the need for gold in UO but still, those who have the most gold can still afford the best items and so, in an item based game, win the most fights.........

So gold is still important to have in UO if one wants to win fights and be competitive at high levels.

That's at least as I see it.

 

[Charin]

The main complaint I hear is the same group of people keep getting the rewards (usualy the griefers on our shards). I just say hey dont do the em events.. EA has to see sooner otr later only 4 or 5 people are doing the em events in napa... or elsewhere....

 

[popps]

The main complaint I hear is the same group of people keep getting the rewards (usualy the griefers on our shards). I just say hey dont do the em events.. EA has to see sooner otr later only 4 or 5 people are doing the em events in napa... or elsewhere....

Personally, there is a paradox I see with EM Events where items handed out become tradeable and thus, get a value.

Since these items can be traded and have a value, the fewer the items handed out, the more their value because the rarer they become.

And this is the Paradox that I see with EM Events because, to my opinion, it contradicts the purpose of Events which should be, on the contrary, participated by the largest number of players possible.

This is also why I would much prefer to see the items handed out at EM Events as account bound and not tradeable in any way. This would make players participate to Events for the sake of participating to the Event itself, to have some fun with fellow players and NOT to get items to then sell for millions of gold.

 

[Squeax]

Quit going to EM events and pretend they don't exist. All I see are people butthurt that they don't have money, or that they don't have every rare they could otherwise buy.

 

[popps]

Quit going to EM events and pretend they don't exist. All I see are people butthurt that they don't have money, or that they don't have every rare they could otherwise buy.

Maybe I could not express myself well....

The point I am making, is NOT about not having money or not having all rares there are.

The point is that Events should be participated by players just for the sake of participating to the Event. For the "fun of it" if we will............

I think it as dead wrong that the reason for participating to EM Events could be getting "rare" items when the Event ends. It is NOT good for the game, IMHO.

Why ?

Because Events are not well participated, they are sometimes "rushed out" because what some players are really concerned about, is not the Event itself but just getting a new rare to sell for tens of millions in the end.

If EM Events items where to be account bound instead, with no commercial value whatsoever or possibility to trade them to other players in any ways, players would participate to EM Events, finally, for the sake to participate to the Events, for the "fun of it" and NOT for the items that are handed out in the end.

If EM Events were to happen this way, this would also allow to better identify those Event Moderators who are more skilled to organize, design and perform Events that are more largely attended. Of course, on a percentage of the entire population on that given shard.

If items handed out at EM Events would hold no value because they were not tradeable in any ways, it goes without saying that players would participate to EM Events just for the fun of it, because those Events from those EMs where great fun to participate in.....

And I think the game would gain overall.......

I think it as good that the game gets less items dependant........

Hope I was clearer now.

 

[Squeax]

Yeah, everyone would totally have more fun if you restricted their options. Those people at those events HATE the millions they can make if they so choose.

 

[THP]

The reason the EM Events were restarted was for MASS player participtation and interreaction..at first after the restart many small trinkets were handed out...too all... then the game swung into the rares market ....1 item was given out....but 25 people were needed to complete the one event....next time the same person or group of people seemed to get the item again?? this is bound to cheese people off....numbers dwindled because of this leaving the greed filled group with all the items because little else people were then bothered.......

sheer bad luck????mmm??? i doubt it

This is how i see it at this moment in time, i dont think its too late to save the program but feel changes need to happen to get lots of players back enjoying the events and not feeling like they get the ****ty end of the stick helping out for sometimes hours in a single event to see trinkets given out to the usual crowd???[end]

 

[Tomas_Bryce]

Items that you might find during an event, on a monster for an example, are not to be considered as a reward. Most of you think of them as a reward simply because you play a MMORPG like a MMOG. They are simply items that are found during a campaign, often with a story and purpose behind it. Treasure, if you may. Not all the adventurers are entitled to a treasure, it would not be much of a treasure.

When there is actually a reward involved, it is often given to all of the participants.


THP: An overwhelming majority of the events that I have witnessed in past 2 years have been announced atleast 24 hours beforehand. The shard that I play on, the events are consistently announced 3 to 5 days in advance. What you are saying might have been true in the old program, but is completely devoid of facts in the present reality.

I have also noticed that some people complain about not knowing about the event despite it being announced via the website (off-game), and event announcers (in-game) several days in advance. I wonder if these people expect a personalized invitation via a SMS from the event moderator. I guess some people are just too lazy to actually find out anything.

 

[THP]

U do not play my shard then!!!!!....ongoing 5 day event..already 3 days gone..i have ony just found out via the trade boards!!!! no announcement was made.....only a fiction plotline..no time ...no date....night night teddy

the only saving factor is i can possibly attend one out the last 2 days....and yes my ''lazy self'' found out by actually reading the shard trade boards!!!!! oh i read the fiction but with no time and date???.....whatever...maybe im too lazy and dumb to think the fiction plot would start at xxx date.....trouble is seems a lot of ''the gang'' did guess the time and date....whatever teddy!!.

 

[THP]

Besides!!! enough!!! I have my views and everyone else as there view.....If iam hitting nerves iam sorry.... but what started as new event program for player interaction/participation ....I slowly see it going back to how it used to be the first time around ...rares driven close nit groups.[End]

 

[Kiminality]

U do not play my shard then!!!!!....ongoing 5 day event..already 3 days gone..i have ony just found out via the trade boards!!!! no announcement was made.....only a fiction plotline..no time ...no date....night night teddy

the only saving factor is i can possibly attend one out the last 2 days....and yes my ''lazy self'' found out by actually reading the shard trade boards!!!!! oh i read the fiction but with no time and date???.....whatever...maybe im too lazy and dumb to think the fiction plot would start at xxx date.....trouble is seems a lot of ''the gang'' did guess the time and date....whatever teddy!!.

"The gang" as you call them are probably the people who care enough about the fiction behind the EM events to investigate the warning about pirates, and what a surprise! They found pirates!
I won't call you dumb or lazy, but I will say that if you read the fiction and didn't show enough of an interest in the fiction to discover the implied event (which was at about 8pm, the same time as basically EVERY other event on the shard), then it's on you.
You can play the kicked puppy and be passive aggressive towards the EMs and the people that attended all you want, but the problem in this case, frankly, is yours.

 

[THP]

maybe soooo....maybe i didnt connect the fiction with an event that was gonna start that night??? maybe it is me???maybe /maybe not.

but cant we just have what every other shard seems to get....an event list for each month!!!! so we can work around it....work and family etc etc and organize time frames were we may attend well in advance...

tis all i ask

 

[Tomas_Bryce]

Then, you will complain about how all the "x-sharders" crash the event. A x-sharder is going to be less inclined to attend an event which requires keeping up with the fiction because I highly doubt many can keep up with fictions on multiple shards. They can, however, quite easily simply show up at a pre-announced time and place for a standard event and kill the mob without giving too much thought to the fiction. In fact, they excel at that.

I would say that your EMs are doing a good job by requiring you to pay attention to the fiction. If I were you, I would pay close attention to the fiction on your shard and maybe make friends with other members of your community who enjoy doing so too. However, that is just a point of view.

 

[Yalp]

No, I think it's actually you who is missing, or ignoring, your own point here.

You did something. You feel entitled to a reward. You have not been subtle on this point.

I never said this, ever. I do not feel entitled to a reward every time I participate in an EM event. And I've never advocated FOR or AGAINST EM rewards. My advocacy is for the following.....If an EM reward IS handed out for events which require the assistance of 30 or 50 or 100 people, then 30 or 50 or 100 people should be given that reward, not a select few.

That is a huge Difference and I'm sorry you don't see it.

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

I never said this, ever. I do not feel entitled to a reward every time I participate in an EM event. And I've never advocated FOR or AGAINST EM rewards. My advocacy is for the following.....If an EM reward IS handed out for events which require the assistance of 30 or 50 or 100 people, then 30 or 50 or 100 people should be given that reward, not a select few.

That is a huge Difference and I'm sorry you don't see it.

"You" can, of course, be used in the generic, formal, or plural sense.

I shall rephrase it if it makes you sleep better.

"You, Yalp, argue that those who participate in an event are entitled to a reward."

And I say, yet again, that the reward is accomplishing whatever goal was accomplished in the plot of the event.

When the Japanese fought off the Mongol Invasions, the Samurai expected rewards and sometimes rebelled when they didn't get it.

I consider that to be a short-sighted act of stupid lunacy. If they had not fought off the Mongols, the result would have been far, far worse than a mere lack of loot. What they should have done was say "well, thank the Heavens the Mongols are gone. Sure loot would have been nice but mere victory, in this instance, will do."

And that is what I advocate to all who come to EM events.

Under the current system there are many kinds of rewards, when there are rewards at all, and that's how it should be.

Your use of the term "select few" is interesting, as it implies someone is doing the selecting. If I were to make such an accusation, surely many would call me a "prig" or worse. I've seen posts, even of mine, be removed for less.

-Galen's player

 

[5% Luck]

"The gang" as you call them are probably the people who care enough about the fiction behind the EM events to investigate the warning about pirates, and what a surprise! They found pirates!
I won't call you dumb or lazy, but I will say that if you read the fiction and didn't show enough of an interest in the fiction to discover the implied event (which was at about 8pm, the same time as basically EVERY other event on the shard), then it's on you.
You can play the kicked puppy and be passive aggressive towards the EMs and the people that attended all you want, but the problem in this case, frankly, is yours.

Now I am not a puzzle guy nor do I like to chase "clues" but your right If your not in the "know" because of either lack of interest or complete dismissal of the facts that is on you!

That said I will reiterate that I do not like clues or following an obscure trail. What I do like are surprises. Combining these facts together is an ems job from my point of view, to make it interesting, fun, and a surprise!

 

[anvira]

Honestly feel lucky if you ever get anything, on the shard I play on the EM's hardly give out anything!

So when I do get something it's pretty cool.

Entitlement...I gave that up a long time ago, it's a game, supposed to be fun

 

[JC the Builder]

Even items handed out to hundreds of people can go for up to 10 million gold. Event items go for exorbitant amounts because gold has very little value. Britannian Guard Sashes were given out by the thousands, yet those still went for 1/2/5 million depending on the color.

People pay the gold because they want the rare items. If you take away the rarity of the item, people don't want them anymore. So you either have EMs giving rewards or you don't.

I think many more people prefer EMs to hand out rewards than not.

 

[mjolnir131]

em events are fairly easy it takes little skill to spend most of your time as a ghost

 

[Yalp]

"You" can, of course, be used in the generic, formal, or plural sense.

I shall rephrase it if it makes you sleep better.

"You, Yalp, argue that those who participate in an event are entitled to a reward."

And I say, yet again, that the reward is accomplishing whatever goal was accomplished in the plot of the event.

When the Japanese fought off the Mongol Invasions, the Samurai expected rewards and sometimes rebelled when they didn't get it.

I consider that to be a short-sighted act of stupid lunacy. If they had not fought off the Mongols, the result would have been far, far worse than a mere lack of loot. What they should have done was say "well, thank the Heavens the Mongols are gone. Sure loot would have been nice but mere victory, in this instance, will do."

And that is what I advocate to all who come to EM events.

Under the current system there are many kinds of rewards, when there are rewards at all, and that's how it should be.

Your use of the term "select few" is interesting, as it implies someone is doing the selecting. If I were to make such an accusation, surely many would call me a "prig" or worse. I've seen posts, even of mine, be removed for less.

-Galen's player

Yeah, it still flies right over your head. I don't advocate FOR EM items. I advocate for the inclusive of everyone IF everyone is needed for a successful outcome AND an EM item is given out.

As for spoils of war.. It wasn't just the Samurai...examples abound throughout history.

As for "select few" that is a very objective description, I assigned no meaning to it, you did. As to who is selected, by what mechanism, based on what criteria, for what purpose.... those are values you have assigned.

It's clear you just want to argue that everyone should have your motive for attending and/or not attending an EM event. That would of course fly square in the face of what UO is all about.

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

Yeah, it still flies right over your head. I don't advocate FOR EM items. I advocate for the inclusive of everyone IF everyone is needed for a successful outcome AND an EM item is given out.

As for spoils of war.. It wasn't just the Samurai...examples abound throughout history.

As for "select few" that is a very objective description, I assigned no meaning to it, you did. As to who is selected, by what mechanism, based on what criteria, for what purpose.... those are values you have assigned.

It's clear you just want to argue that everyone should have your motive for attending and/or not attending an EM event. That would of course fly square in the face of what UO is all about.

Your last remark is cute if only because of all the people who've argued that UO shouldn't be about items, worrying about items ruined UO, etc.

To hear you say it, being allowed to think primarily about items is actually part of UO's tradition!

If you're right, you are, of course obligated to jump into each and every thread where someone complains about the focus on items and rewards as though it were something new.

It's perfectly permissible, I argue, to come to an EM event looking only for items, but it is, I also argue, also rather dopey, as the odds are not good at getting one.

Even if all items were handed out to everyone every time they are handed out at all, you still have to face the fact that items aren't handed out at every event and thus the odds are still against you.

This is not a hard concept.

When items are handed out to everyone, they face complaints about it.

When items are handed out to everyone, they face complaints about it.

When items aren't handed out at all, they face complaints.

And there is no reason to use the phrase "a select few" save to imply some conspiratorial fantasy or other. If you hadn't meant to refer to that you would have said something like "items only some people get" or some other neutral, non-loaded language.

*shrugs*

-Galen's player

 

[Miss Smoocher]

"OMG" Why cant the crying stop over something someone did not get or wants. Rare things are always nice to get and they cost. Pay for it or do not buy it. Why have everything handed to us? I mean dang who wants to play a game where you do not have to do anything to get it. What happened to having a wish list? Cry me a river and I will build you a bridge so you can get over it. PIE anyone?

 

[Fresley]

You'll never own every in game item. Some people make good attempts at it and its quite an expensive hobby.

I think the EM token objects are great. Its a nice way to get folks to participate. You didn't participate? I hope you have some gold if you want the shiney.

Entitlement mentality sickens me in this silly game almost as much as it does in the real world.