The future of UO with an item based axis...

[GalenKnighthawke]

I am talking about the future of UO, not chinese prisonners !

They are an example of how far it goes, and just to strenghten my example here comes Galen on his 4 horses...

Of course it's not a problem for UO anymore, but the principle, we pay to "encourage" is being twisted in ways that was not meant for the Ultima franchise which is about virtue and not money.

Noone can make this discussion take an unexpected turn really, because it's so clear what its all about.

If you are not talking about Chinese prisoners you should not have linked to a story about Chinese prisoners.

As near as I can discern you are trying to argue "see, if UO remains item-based," which by the way it has always been to some degree and if you mean post-AoS it's been that way for the majority of its history now, "it becomes vulnerable to Chinese prisoners doing the farming."

This is an at best difficult argument to make, as WoW's being vulnerable to such things has nothing to do, whatsoever, with what kind of game it is: It has to do with its immense popularity. Its popularity, not its nature, makes it a viable business to some.

-Galen's player

 

[Ahuaeyjnkxs]

So your general excuse is that I don't know what I'm talking about aha...

get down with the boogey !

rolleyes:

The thing about those seemingly unrelated threads is that they are connected at their origin, and that means a great deal to everyone's lives, especially to our children.

Please, one of you woman step forward and tell me you know what I am talking about ?

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

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C&D I would say No to your questions in regards to the OP's viewpoint because it's not about the Chinese at all. Really it's about his desire to try and forcibly and arbitrarily limit economic activity in UO between consenting players in an attempt to try and catch those naughty, nasty, evil, inhumane "gold sellers".

The article, which has nothing to do with UO at all and in fact involves a game that has banned gold selling outright (which of course shows you just how effective such bans really are), is presented to provide the emotional appeal in order to support the argument to limit player-to-player trading.

If any other activity were being presented in the article aside from farming an MMOG, the OP would have neither paid any attention to the article, much less posted anything about it.

Selective outrage and all of that.

Irrational hatred of RMT is more important than a prisoner's forced activity half a world away.

My main point is his argument makes no sense, And he tries to justify it by saying it is clear what he is trying to battle. He points out that the "Extent" of an item based game is eventually going to be "Slave labor" But I counter his argument to that with "Slave labor will always exist" so he now says it has nothing to do with Chinese prisoners. Well if it has nothing to do with them at all, then his entire argument is brought to an end, because the "extent" is gone, and there for his "the future" is gone as well.

I know you are not arguing with me, but it seems better to have the conversation with you than with someone who is irate and irrational, seeing as how he removed his entire argument.

Although if you, Ahuaeyjinkxs, wish to respond then tell me this.

How are the ethics of the company bad? And tell me all about its "online Hygiene".

 

[Ahuaeyjnkxs]

How did you get to the conclusion that the evil which is symbolised by my very existance (ironically) is so simple as to ONLY lead to child labor.

The consequences of collective unconscious grasps much more vectors in its twist... which is what I suggest happened back in the day when we lost our "dear UO" and it became "something else" which judging of is far beyond the point of this thread.

Which is why I insist on keeping that attitude ; I was there in UO BETA until trammel, I remained a little after and my inner frustration or shall I even say separation from the mother void has been expressed through too much violence.

To keep this simple it is the very separation that shattered the sense of unity each shard had, and that is the last spell of mondain. Those few words he uttered before his death ; this ugly curse we humanity are faced with everyday.

And that is the point, that is why it would be easy for anyone with this frame of mind to see that many, many people have made too much, too much money from selling UO gold.

Then the proceeded to create the WoW gold selling rings which cause some of what we witness.

Let me give you all Avatar a lesson about power and money, which our liege often rambled about without being able to formulate it non-linearly enough for it to be intelligible.

This is the scenario :

Ahu is a kid that lives in a suburb (me) and is PASSIONATE about computers and programming. I was learning Java, C++, I had mastered visual basic and simple languages such as in "the Palace" char software. I come to UO, anticipate it, start off as a beggar, never cheat until I can afford a mage.

I join the AMT on atlantic under Tiffric the red and soon become his most trusted pupil.

(you will see that Mondain is not a simpleton with simple curses, each time the community fractures the fracture moves back in time and causes even more distortion in the timeline)

This was a culminant point in UO history as community was being "blessed" on every shard by the GMs.

Gold starts being sold on e-bay (concurrent with house bugs, duping methods, all kinds of hacks) hackers take hold of the market and dictate price.

There is a "demonstration" of their power at the AMT, waves of red players attack and we defend the tower all day long (remember no trammel back then).

We get more "physical" threats but since the storyline seems to in time include the very people who seemed connected.

Then we learn that the GMs and Seers were connected too, we fight back against this in character (cause we think it will reach higher ears) we fail.

I can stop there. The rest is all personal.

But this, how can't you make heads and tails of it ?

We send a message to our youth that a whole company and the people who profit from it can be all liars, hackers, BAD GUYS.

And get away with it, even better we LET THEM DO IT !

I was there all along, I fought all along...

Something needs to be done because this is not that the ethics and hygiene is wrong ; it's that its non-existant.

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

How did you get to the conclusion that the evil which is symbolised by my very existance (ironically) is so simple as to ONLY lead to child labor.

The consequences of collective unconscious grasps much more vectors in its twist... which is what I suggest happened back in the day when we lost our "dear UO" and it became "something else" which judging of is far beyond the point of this thread.

Which is why I insist on keeping that attitude ; I was there in UO BETA until trammel, I remained a little after and my inner frustration or shall I even say separation from the mother void has been expressed through too much violence.

To keep this simple it is the very separation that shattered the sense of unity each shard had, and that is the last spell of mondain. Those few words he uttered before his death ; this ugly curse we humanity are faced with everyday.

And that is the point, that is why it would be easy for anyone with this frame of mind to see that many, many people have made too much, too much money from selling UO gold.

Then the proceeded to create the WoW gold selling rings which cause some of what we witness.

Let me give you all Avatar a lesson about power and money, which our liege often rambled about without being able to formulate it non-linearly enough for it to be intelligible.

This is the scenario :

Ahu is a kid that lives in a suburb (me) and is PASSIONATE about computers and programming. I was learning Java, C++, I had mastered visual basic and simple languages such as in "the Palace" char software. I come to UO, anticipate it, start off as a beggar, never cheat until I can afford a mage.

I join the AMT on atlantic under Tiffric the red and soon become his most trusted pupil.

(you will see that Mondain is not a simpleton with simple curses, each time the community fractures the fracture moves back in time and causes even more distortion in the timeline)

This was a culminant point in UO history as community was being "blessed" on every shard by the GMs.

Gold starts being sold on e-bay (concurrent with house bugs, duping methods, all kinds of hacks) hackers take hold of the market and dictate price.

There is a "demonstration" of their power at the AMT, waves of red players attack and we defend the tower all day long (remember no trammel back then).

We get more "physical" threats but since the storyline seems to in time include the very people who seemed connected.

Then we learn that the GMs and Seers were connected too, we fight back against this in character (cause we think it will reach higher ears) we fail.

I can stop there. The rest is all personal.

But this, how can't you make heads and tails of it ?

We send a message to our youth that a whole company and the people who profit from it can be all liars, hackers, BAD GUYS.

And get away with it, even better we LET THEM DO IT !

I was there all along, I fought all along...

Something needs to be done because this is not that the ethics and hygiene is wrong ; it's that its non-existant.

Ugh, what a headache. Hackers and cheaters never controlled the market, or the economy the "other" players did, for you see if any who hack or cheat gain nothing from it (ie the money of the people who don't) then they will continue to hack and cheat for personal gain only. See how this works?

There is no ethics problem because there is no wrong doing, or allowance of wrong doing. (Granted I suppose the last part is still in debate seeing as how people still claim others cheat and what not) And again you answer nothing in terms of hygiene, for you see hygiene always exists.

I will carry this "argument" no further, because there isn't one as you constantly change the stakes.

 

[Ahuaeyjnkxs]

Exactly there is no argument, and no extremism in my point of view this is just one thing I suggest should be done right now.

You can either be against it, a little against it, not care, be a little for it or alot for it.

This is what I am doing here, giving everyone my viewpoint.

Cause from my viewpoint the same guy who I saw manipulate a team of counselors and seers (so they would arrest dupers, and conveniently drop the gold in green acres, where some counselors had runes there and then proceeded to load the gold in well protected houses).

That same guy was never arrested, and then was hired by EA.

You see I am not accusing EA of being a bad company, or even unethical at that.

What I am saying is MUCH WORSE. It's that they were totally crossed in that matter, and were forced to take a political stance without their implicit intent.

This is why Oceania and Stratics receive the DoS attacks, when I got fired by Origin as a seer I persevered and became a companion hoping to one day be able to get back to scripting UO again (almost as fun as the palace language) I was there all along FOR the community FOR the real UO.

I never profited ONE dime from UO, never sold ONE thing of my stuff.

The head of my murderer brainbug was worth thousands USD, I let it decay and erased the character. Many have confirmed my story, and remember me.

I was a member of the Followers of Armageddon... who's TRUE OOC goal in game was to wipe all houses and all banks because the hackers CONTROLLED everything.

Our mandate by ORIGIN : build a story that will make it more palatable for the players to accept the shard is being wiped or "armageddon"...

What do you think happened with that plan ? Well corruption reached inside EA and it was trashed, and along with it UO as we knew it.

BECAUSE of the hackers and gold sellers, not because of EA.

I feel as if none of you remember all this, you seem to be an old schooler, don't you remember HOW Richard Gariott left this game ?! His baby...

They have controlled everything, can you even be sure your dreams have been your own lately ?

 

[Heimi]

I wonder if anyone is this delusional about Hello Kitty Online..

 

[Ahuaeyjnkxs]

you just shattered my ego with that complex piece of logic...

 

[Fayled Dhreams]

I wonder if anyone is this delusional about Hello Kitty Online..

Hello kitty not so much(newer and better PR management)
Kitty vs Barbie
Barbie.com - Activities and Games for Girls Online! <<enjoys a massive market with a LARGE scale of aftermarket, rares, collectables. widest >age range< ...

*shrugs* old school rules and cliques over the last 40 years

for researched comparisons, google
hello kitty market analysis
Barbie market analysis

(for kicks ... do Ultima online Market analysis)

Note: on topic re: other mmo's, rmt management

 

[Ahuaeyjnkxs]

Thats my main pivot point in this discussion... of course most of those hackers I remember have moved on from UO to other more lucrative opportunities...

That is exactly why it's a good time to consolidate the communities and get rid of the rest.

Now if you think that getting rid of those people by limiting trades (they will be mostly the only ones to suffer from it) will put UO into danger, I got it from a good source that as long as there is one player left in UO it is not closing.

And anyways... it's time.

Even fayled agrees with me, I mean common. How can we be so weak and have no voice as a whole ?

 

[Fayled Dhreams]

Thats my main pivot point in this discussion... of course most of those hackers I remember have moved on from UO to other more lucrative opportunities...

That is exactly why it's a good time to consolidate the communities and get rid of the rest.

Now if you think that getting rid of those people by limiting trades (they will be mostly the only ones to suffer from it) will put UO into danger, I got it from a good source that as long as there is one player left in UO it is not closing.

And anyways... it's time.

Even fayled agrees with me, I mean common. How can we be so weak and have no voice as a whole ?

I in no way "agree" with you ...

basically because there is nothing From You to BE in agreement with

You're a "confessed hacker" that brag's and flaunts your exploits at every chance you can
or
are a compulsive liar suffering from Obsessive Compulsive Role Playing Disorder
(likely sitting in a cape/cloak, or, a hoodie that you are pretending "is" either)

not a "personal attack" btw ... just a reasoned opinion about >why< you post.

*shrugs*
It is pitiful that you are lying to yourself ...

If you Were In China ... you might be able to get some help


Yes forum, I know ... I fed the troll because he LIED on my name ... *handslaps self*
but since he managed to Spell it right ... I felt compelled.
Compulsion satisfied ...
I shall refrain from the "free bumps" in this matter ...

 

[Ahuaeyjnkxs]

yea... duh. rolleyes:

 

[Ahuaeyjnkxs]

its funny hehe... I just said you agreed with me for the kicks.

Thanks for providing much entertainment, and unwittingly making my political position much stronger, because of what you are.

basically because there is nothing From You to BE in agreement with

Well I for ONE am Not Sure that you were Completely SOber when you wrote this.

And this entertaining way you have of thinking you have a big enough effect on me for me to report "personal attacks"...

I'm touched...

But you see my point still stands.

It would be much better for you, for me, for everyone normal that hasn't sold their soul to the devil to have a limited economy system.

But I think you have abandoned UO right ? most likely... like all the people who attempt to destroy my very clear, very fine, very sound point.