Come on EMs & Dev Team...

[DVDA]

On Pacific last EM event they handed out "Toy Soldiers," well apparently now everyone that didn’t get one wants one, so the owners are selling them for 100+ mill

This is just ridiculous, people work hard in the game to hunt, mine, fish, tailor, whatever to make money just to see their hard work when a EM hands a 100+ mill item to people for them to sell and make fast money.

Now before you pass judgment on what I am saying please let me state that A) I don’t have a toy solider B) I don’t want a toy solider C) I have enough money and I am not personally affected by this situation. I just don’t like what is going on in the community and honestly feel it is hurting rather than helping.

My SOLUTION: After EM event ends put the item on the EM NPC that announces events. Have them for sale for 5-10 mil. It will avoid these inflated asking prices and provide a nice little gold sink

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

I agree.

This way, people can get on here and complain about the deflating value of items (both in the monetary sense and in the emotional sense), call the team and the EMs communists, and trot out Ayn Rand references.

Or, you know, accept the fact that a lot of different things can impact the value of an item, including the item itself, how it was handed out, its comparative rarity, etc, and that, even a widely-distributed item, not everyone who wants one will have it and that, sometimes, the opposite will happen too and then folks will say there's "too many" of such and such an item, and hence it's "worthless" and isn't it terrible.

Not a day goes by when I am not increasingly glad my application to be an EM didn't get past the first stage.

-Galen's player

 

[DVDA]

They have no basis to complain about the EM item losing value if I had no value at all in the first place

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

They have no basis to complain about the EM item losing value if I had no value at all in the first place

Basis doesn't matter, they do and will, basis or not.

Further, "basis to complain" is relative.

If there were a certain rare I wanted but didn't have, one might think I would want the price to be lower, but easily I could say "hold on a minute, do I really want the potential price of rares as a general category to potentially go down just so I can have this one item? Isn't it really in my interest to keep the prices of most rare or semi-rare items high? I will benefit long-term even if I can't get this one item."

Hence a basis to complain.

I have seen more and more that the EMs are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Fortunately, the proportion of complainers, in-game and on boards, seems small to the proportion of participants. The complainers just get more press.

-Galen's player

 

[DVDA]

I understand your logical but I cant agree...

The event items are suppose to be decorative only. They should have no value especially considering people have lives and may not be able to attend the events.

Giving them value by not having them freely available on a vendor and only giving them to people who attended the event hurts the economy. While not giving them value and making them readily available does nothing to the economy.

 

[Dermott of LS]

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If the EMs did NOT give out a trinket in some form or fashion, people would be complaining constantly about the pointlessness of the EM program (not all, but most). Everyone wants a goodie if they're going to spend their time outside of their normal play habits.

What people do with said trinket is not the EMs' fault nor is anyone forcing anyone to pay whatever price for said trinket on the secondary market.

The event items are suppose to be decorative only. They should have no value

Being decorative IS a value, especially if it is using graphics that are not ordinarily available (see: Every "server birth rare" ever).

Giving them value by not having them freely available on a vendor and only giving them to people who attended the event hurts the economy.

No, no it doesn't. The EMs don't set the value, the players do and in that manner, that is the economy working the way an economy actually is meant to work.

A real life example:

The company for which I work authenticates, grades, and encapsulates collectibles. We do not put a value on said collectible, we just say that it's real and it's in a certain state of preservation. The market outside our walls then dictates what the value of said item is be it a common item in low graded condition work little or a rare or unique item in pristine condition worth millions. Many of these rare items are items that were given as limited gifts to dignitaries or people who attended certain events.

 

[DVDA]

The benefit conferred for attending the event if getting the item for free. If you dont attend, buy it off the EM vendor for a price that is fair (not 200 million like the players are charging) and help the community by contributing to the gold sink.

The purpose of EM event items is to give players a little reward for attending. It suppose to go in their collection however many people sell it which goes against the purpose of handing it out.

I know this guy on Pacific, who has EVERYTHING. Expensive house, all the rares you can think of, gold coming out of his ears. He has been playing a very short time, I asked him how he made so much money, figuring he'd tell me something insightful and he replies "I go to EM event, get the items, sell them while they are in high demand, they buy them back when the price dropped"

 

[Prawn]

Are you guys stupid? ... EM items are the only reason 99% of people pay for subs these days... if there wasn't the 100+mil pixel crack weekly no one would play... pvp is toast... the questing systems are garbage... the economy is ruined...

 

[claudia-fjp]

Now before you pass judgment on what I am saying please let me state that A) I don’t have a toy solider B) I don’t want a toy solider C) I have enough money and I am not personally affected by this situation.

So just another person wanting to ruin the way other people enjoy the game when it has nothing to do with them... Got it.

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

The benefit conferred for attending the event if getting the item for free. If you dont attend, buy it off the EM vendor for a price that is fair (not 200 million like the players are charging) and help the community by contributing to the gold sink.

The purpose of EM event items is to give players a little reward for attending. It suppose to go in their collection however many people sell it which goes against the purpose of handing it out.

I know this guy on Pacific, who has EVERYTHING. Expensive house, all the rares you can think of, gold coming out of his ears. He has been playing a very short time, I asked him how he made so much money, figuring he'd tell me something insightful and he replies "I go to EM event, get the items, sell them while they are in high demand, they buy them back when the price dropped"

EM Events are quite difficult; perhaps you and your friends are just so much better players than I that working the events can count as getting them "for free?"

But for many of the rest of us, the events can be quite intense. And no one who gets an item can reasonably say that they got them "for free."

Save of course for the items that are awarded by double clicking an item giver, and a few people sneak through who did not bother to work the actual event. And those items, people tend to whine that there are so many of them that the items are worthless!

As they would if your proposal was implemented.

Under the current system, there are several kinds of item distributions. And that's how it should be.

I really fail to see what your friend can be criticized for.

I also really don't know what items you're talking about that aren't primarily, or exclusively, deco.

Even the rarest EM rares are pretty much deco, save for the occasional weapon that's worthless as is but can be Imbued. (But why would you want to Imbue an uber-rare weapon and use it in actual fights when you're guaranteeing it'll go poof sooner or later? Save for some RP purpose in which case you shouldn't be complaining later that you lose it.)

-Galen's player

 

[Nimuaq]

It is true that a player can make 100m by selling an item from a 2 hour EM event while another player can not farm even a fraction of that amount in 2 hours. However, these events are announced on EM websites and they're open to everyone. Also, EMs are not handing out 100m checks, so mainly the players are responsible for the increased value of a particular event item. I dont think the current system is really unfair in that respect.

 

[Viper09]

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If the EMs did NOT give out a trinket in some form or fashion, people would be complaining constantly about the pointlessness of the EM program (not all, but most). Everyone wants a goodie if they're going to spend their time outside of their normal play habits.

What people do with said trinket is not the EMs' fault nor is anyone forcing anyone to pay whatever price for said trinket on the secondary market.

The event items are suppose to be decorative only. They should have no value

Being decorative IS a value, especially if it is using graphics that are not ordinarily available (see: Every "server birth rare" ever).

Giving them value by not having them freely available on a vendor and only giving them to people who attended the event hurts the economy.

No, no it doesn't. The EMs don't set the value, the players do and in that manner, that is the economy working the way an economy actually is meant to work.

A real life example:

The company for which I work authenticates, grades, and encapsulates collectibles. We do not put a value on said collectible, we just say that it's real and it's in a certain state of preservation. The market outside our walls then dictates what the value of said item is be it a common item in low graded condition work little or a rare or unique item in pristine condition worth millions. Many of these rare items are items that were given as limited gifts to dignitaries or people who attended certain events.

This.

I don't like to see people who try to turn these event items for such high prices. But it's the players choice to do so. People will always try and turn EM items for greatly inflated prices immediately following events. Events are announced and people are free to go to them if they are able. These items are only for decoration, having one is nice but doesn't give you an edge in the game. I don't see any reason to try and stop people from selling at inflated prices, if they want to let them. No one is being forced to pay the sellers for the items.

There will be events for a long time and if you missed one event hoping for an item, then best of luck on the next event!

 

[Viper09]

My SOLUTION: After EM event ends put the item on the EM NPC that announces events. Have them for sale for 5-10 mil. It will avoid these inflated asking prices and provide a nice little gold sink

Your solution seems a bit hypocritical. Yeah it's not 100mil per item, but it's still very pricey. I see most people selling EM items for around that much. You're argument is that people will sell items at greatly inflated prices. 5-10mil is still a lot of gold for buying an EM item after missing it. Not everyone has millions of gold to spend.

 

[Muu Bin]

I attended the event on Pacific as well. While I did have some constructive feedback for that particular event (which I shared with the EM), I did not have any complaints about the items "up for grabs" found as loot.

While I can see the frustration out there when one does not obtain an item after participating at an event, I think it would be completely ridiculous to offer said item up for sale on an NPC after the event (for a limited time or otherwise). As mentioned in an earlier post, this method would change the economy in that the company (EA) would be the ones setting the price and not the players who drive the economy.

If players out there are savvy enough to attend all the events, obtain these rarer event items, and then sell them at some insane price - all the more power too them. If you don't like the price, don't buy it... wait until the price drops and buy at a later date (like the example of the player vendor mentioned earlier).

And finally, if the intent of attending events is to get these items, then having a limited number of them available might encourage some to attend all events (or as many as possible). I'm not going to get into a debate about whether or not player attendance is solely based on getting a "drop" is a good or bad thing - that's a separate thread.

Did I get one of those Toy Soldiers? No. Would it have been nice to get one? For sure. Will I pay anything to get one? Not bloody likely. Will I continue to go to events? Yes... time permitting.

 

[Martyna Zmuir]

Quite honestly, I'm becoming of the mind that the EM events should have NO ITEMS ever.

Why?

Because I'm sick to death of the 20 minutes of people whining after the events about:

A) They didn't get an item (when there wasn't one), and thus they whine about the EM(s) wasting their time

B) They didn't get an item (when there was one), the RNG simply wasn't in their favor, and they whine that its favoritism to the people who did get an item

C) When it's a double-clicky vending-machine-style item dispenser and everyone gets an item, and they whine because they can't price gouge the stupidly rich

D) When the item is attendance based, such as rank labeled items or some such, and the person was too lazy to attend that day or any that month (this generally turns into accusations of favoritism)

Since some people can't comport themselves with a little dignity and self-restraint at events, they ruin it for the rest of us. Remove the items and the gimmie-gimmies will disappear, which -yes- will reduce event attendance.

The only other truly viable option is to make all event items a double-clicky vending-machine-style affair. This way everyone who attended gets something and the EMs aren't "supporting" a pixelcrack-based faux economy

Disclosure:
I'm on GL and have many event rares. Some I have 'won' by being lucky enough to loot them, some I have bought from those who were luckier than I. I don't sell them for obscene amounts, but put them in my public library to help chronicle the wonderful plotlines the GL EMs have crafted over the years.

 

[Viper09]

Quite honestly, I'm becoming of the mind that the EM events should have NO ITEMS ever.

Why?

Because I'm sick to death of the 20 minutes of people whining after the events about:

A) They didn't get an item (when there wasn't one), and thus they whine about the EM(s) wasting their time

B) They didn't get an item (when there was one), the RNG simply wasn't in their favor, and they whine that its favoritism to the people who did get an item

C) When it's a double-clicky vending-machine-style item dispenser and everyone gets an item, and they whine because they can't price gouge the stupidly rich

D) When the item is attendance based, such as rank labeled items or some such, and the person was too lazy to attend that day or any that month (this generally turns into accusations of favoritism)

Since some people can't comport themselves with a little dignity and self-restraint at events, they ruin it for the rest of us. Remove the items and the gimmie-gimmies will disappear, which -yes- will reduce event attendance.

The only other truly viable option is to make all event items a double-clicky vending-machine-style affair. This way everyone who attended gets something and the EMs aren't "supporting" a pixelcrack-based faux economy

Disclosure:
I'm on GL and have many event rares. Some I have 'won' by being lucky enough to loot them, some I have bought from those who were luckier than I. I don't sell them for obscene amounts, but put them in my public library to help chronicle the wonderful plotlines the GL EMs have crafted over the years.

I like the idea of a "vending machine" type object to give out items for X amount of time following the event. Limiting it to one per character who is old enough. Similar to the way they do it for holiday gifts. Or one per account, debatable there. Since I disagree with the OP idea of selling them from vendors.

 

[Cyanide_Mage]

I totally agree with the OP! I'm so sick and tired of people having stuff in game that I want and don't have. Vendors should sell everything based on a price that I deem to be acceptable based on how much gold I have at the time. Everyone should have access to everything that everybody has! Why should someone have a house spot in a area I want? Clearly I should be able to buy a location deed from a vendor and remove the players house so I can place. Why should people have 120 animal taming and not me? I should be able to buy the skill from 0-120 based on how much gold I think its acceptable to me. WHOS WITH MEH!

 

[Raptor85]

I have no issue with the way it was done on siege this last (only?) event, the "vending machine" was as deep as could be in the orc dungeon, so you had to fight your way down to get it. (and get past us as well, was down there on my red getting a few extra pairs )

Kept it available for those who couldn't attend, but still made them work for it.

Aside from doing it that way, I say....tough, you should have attended the event if you wanted one, if you couldn't make it buy one, the price is due to limited supply and high demand. I don't think there's ANY reason every player should get an item anyways, should go back to the way that used to be more common where the EM or whoever is leading it picks the 3 players who contributed the most and rewarded them. (or have them as drops on "boss" type monsters)

 

[Fayled Dhreams]

Well ... your gold sink might have some merit ...

but none of that merit >goes towards community building<

your "complaint" is about others behavior
and your solution >plays into< spreading THAT behavior to other shards

you are aware of the "rares crosshard market" ... yes?
"Uniquely named" shard(event) specific items ARE a part of that ...

*sigh*
re-roll your complaint and solution
and/or
move to Siege to finish your burnout ...

Dermott of LS >>> said it ALL much better

 

[MalagAste]

Quite honestly, I'm becoming of the mind that the EM events should have NO ITEMS ever.

Why?

Because I'm sick to death of the 20 minutes of people whining after the events about:

A) They didn't get an item (when there wasn't one), and thus they whine about the EM(s) wasting their time

B) They didn't get an item (when there was one), the RNG simply wasn't in their favor, and they whine that its favoritism to the people who did get an item

C) When it's a double-clicky vending-machine-style item dispenser and everyone gets an item, and they whine because they can't price gouge the stupidly rich

D) When the item is attendance based, such as rank labeled items or some such, and the person was too lazy to attend that day or any that month (this generally turns into accusations of favoritism)

Since some people can't comport themselves with a little dignity and self-restraint at events, they ruin it for the rest of us. Remove the items and the gimmie-gimmies will disappear, which -yes- will reduce event attendance.

The only other truly viable option is to make all event items a double-clicky vending-machine-style affair. This way everyone who attended gets something and the EMs aren't "supporting" a pixelcrack-based faux economy

Disclosure:
I'm on GL and have many event rares. Some I have 'won' by being lucky enough to loot them, some I have bought from those who were luckier than I. I don't sell them for obscene amounts, but put them in my public library to help chronicle the wonderful plotlines the GL EMs have crafted over the years.

Agreed!!!!!!

Fed up with the whining.....

 

[Jirel of Joiry]

Quite honestly, I'm becoming of the mind that the EM events should have NO ITEMS ever.

Why?

Because I'm sick to death of the 20 minutes of people whining after the events about:

A) They didn't get an item (when there wasn't one), and thus they whine about the EM(s) wasting their time

B) They didn't get an item (when there was one), the RNG simply wasn't in their favor, and they whine that its favoritism to the people who did get an item

C) When it's a double-clicky vending-machine-style item dispenser and everyone gets an item, and they whine because they can't price gouge the stupidly rich

D) When the item is attendance based, such as rank labeled items or some such, and the person was too lazy to attend that day or any that month (this generally turns into accusations of favoritism)

Since some people can't comport themselves with a little dignity and self-restraint at events, they ruin it for the rest of us. Remove the items and the gimmie-gimmies will disappear, which -yes- will reduce event attendance.

The only other truly viable option is to make all event items a double-clicky vending-machine-style affair. This way everyone who attended gets something and the EMs aren't "supporting" a pixelcrack-based faux economy

Disclosure:
I'm on GL and have many event rares. Some I have 'won' by being lucky enough to loot them, some I have bought from those who were luckier than I. I don't sell them for obscene amounts, but put them in my public library to help chronicle the wonderful plotlines the GL EMs have crafted over the years.

Let me add one more to your list:

E) a unnamed theif (who has Mesanna's backing) on the shard steals the item from the EM's backpack or the recipent's backpack before they can insure it. If there were no more event items at least it'd put this smuck theif outta business.

 

[Muu Bin]

Let me add one more to your list:

E) a unnamed theif (who has Mesanna's backing) on the shard steals the item from the EM's backpack or the recipent's backpack before they can insure it. If there were no more event items at least it'd put this smuck theif outta business.

Uh... last time I read the rules, stealing from other people is allowed in Fel and unless these same rules have changed since I did read them last, that's the only facet where you can steal from another player. If this is, in fact, where said theft occurred, then all the more power to the thief profession.

 

[Charin]

Aye well on 2 shards I play on the EM's are bestest buddies with the main griefers ... they grief the em events.. and usually the em is laughing and talking to them instead of telling them to stop etc.

 

[THP]

The EM Events will and have always ''seemed'' to be unfair.

The main problem is the usually small time notice that is given on each shard that there is an event. [Yet] always the same group of people ''seem'' to attend on every shard on every event at any time of the day???

WORK THAT ONE OUT???

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

I'm of two (or more) minds on this, and the contrasting positions are increasingly hard to reconcile.

I would miss the items. Unlike Martyna's player, I don't collect; I ruthlessly sell and I do it totally in-character (thus, I should hope, dismembering the notion that one cannot RP and sell at the same time).

I would, however, gladly show up to the events without the items. Others would too, and not just role-players...Or, rather, not just those who are part of the RP community and understand themselves as RPers. (More people RP than say that they do.) The events on GL were decently-attended when the only potential reward was recognition.

However, I have the distinct impression that, on GL at least, people have been brought in by items and stayed for the plot and the action. In other words, the items may have broadened the audience in both senses; broadened the numbers attending and broadened the perspective of those attending.

And I will freely admit to self-interest. Those occasions where I get an item are more-than-capable of financing the insurance money and effort from the times I don't.

I have to wonder if our troubles on GL aren't due to a deliberate campaign from one guild, with the deliberate intent to grief and get attention. Not to get stuff, but to grief and get attention.

If I'm right, then the lack of items won't stop them. And indeed we did have people whining for an item when it was widely-known that no items were being handed out.

But, having said all that, I'll go back to something I said earlier. I, and others, would attend were there no items, and indeed were there not even recognition.

Nothing, however, can really stop a person, guild, or other group, with the deliberate intent to grief for the sake of griefing, and that's what I think we're facing on GL; for that rather large guild, it would appear to me that the griefing itself is the point.

-Galen's player

Quite honestly, I'm becoming of the mind that the EM events should have NO ITEMS ever.

Why?

Because I'm sick to death of the 20 minutes of people whining after the events about:

A) They didn't get an item (when there wasn't one), and thus they whine about the EM(s) wasting their time

B) They didn't get an item (when there was one), the RNG simply wasn't in their favor, and they whine that its favoritism to the people who did get an item

C) When it's a double-clicky vending-machine-style item dispenser and everyone gets an item, and they whine because they can't price gouge the stupidly rich

D) When the item is attendance based, such as rank labeled items or some such, and the person was too lazy to attend that day or any that month (this generally turns into accusations of favoritism)

Since some people can't comport themselves with a little dignity and self-restraint at events, they ruin it for the rest of us. Remove the items and the gimmie-gimmies will disappear, which -yes- will reduce event attendance.

The only other truly viable option is to make all event items a double-clicky vending-machine-style affair. This way everyone who attended gets something and the EMs aren't "supporting" a pixelcrack-based faux economy

Disclosure:
I'm on GL and have many event rares. Some I have 'won' by being lucky enough to loot them, some I have bought from those who were luckier than I. I don't sell them for obscene amounts, but put them in my public library to help chronicle the wonderful plotlines the GL EMs have crafted over the years.

 

[Valas]

There is an obvious solution to this from what I can see.

Make items from EM events account bound so they cannot be traded to others. If you were not there then that's just unfortunate, maybe at the end of an EM 'season' all the items which could have been found during that time period are able to be bought via a donation system or something. Or even if there was just an NPC to sell the items at the end for a given amount of gold. It would work as quite an effective gold sink.

This would also stop players from trading them to other shards and earning megabucks that way.

 

[phantus]

There is an obvious solution to this from what I can see.

Make items from EM events account bound so they cannot be traded to others. If you were not there then that's just unfortunate, maybe at the end of an EM 'season' all the items which could have been found during that time period are able to be bought via a donation system or something. Or even if there was just an NPC to sell the items at the end for a given amount of gold. It would work as quite an effective gold sink.

This would also stop players from trading them to other shards and earning megabucks that way.

Can't. Account bound and no drop items make UO players cry.

 

[5% Luck]

Just a tid bit here

I am a returning player. Last I played was during and just after the "dreadmare" event. I spent a ton of time taming dread mares and selling them from 5-15 mill.

At that time I had though that was the absolute roof on the pricing.

Now I am a tamer by trade. I have always made my gold selling and training pets. As I return, I find a ton of flak about tamers who sell pets for their earning. I have done some research into the matter and find there is a HUGH bitter taste left on the players tongues over the dreadmare inflation.

I, as a regular tamer selling midnight lessers colored Cu's and Greaters of quality(and I do find the best!) find myself facing this terrible aversion to pet sellers. I have never sold a creature above 15 mill even trained!

It was the dreadmare pricing as I was away that basically removed my profession from the game. If I dont want to be harassed ridiculed and price mocked ALL DAY I find myself finding a new profession.

That said, I do really enjoy events specifically those with rare pets(read above "tamer"). Where the real animosity belongs is with the gold seller not the EM and definitely not with the player who believes he can fetch such a price. We are all capitalists at heart!

So next time you feel the need to rant about players selling items for enough gold to choke a white wyrm, ask yourself where would you find that amount ofgold?

 

[Ahuaeyjnkxs]

lol @ Fayled... you have 9000 posts in which you explain to people how they fail, but fail to bring any solid argument always. Your recondite has been everywhere but never came to be... be it politics, economics, philosophy...

You always lean on copying and pasting the definitions on the board or a dictionary... common give these guys a break.

In this thread there is people agreeing about what I am saying in another thread differently, which is already strange.

But then everyone realises how small UO now is, and this is why a total economic reform with new rules is in order to consolidate what is left and make a REAL game out of it.

Or do you all support EA killing the game then turn around to stab your stratics friends in their back ?

If the community *COMMUNITY* dosen't create a consensus, the guardian will have won all his best and ridiculed the human spirit again.

 

[Lady Storm]

While I might half hearted agree with the OP, there is one thing I think I should point out might help a bit more...

Seems if you look on the Rares Forum and at the Event List of items given out per shard on any given EM run.... the small total of "looted" items is rather small for the amount of players on any given event. Up the amount. Also to make it fair so no one claims they got 3 while others squat.. how about the Tokuno Hunt System? Where they have to do so much dammage at an event critters that it pops a item in your pack. Ends the looting cry.

I dont much go for the imediate hawking on the shard during and after for sellers/buyers of the items yelling in chat buying EM Event items. Unsuspecting players not fermiliar with prices of what these sell for, sell them at a pitance of what they are worth. Returning Skilled Players are a few steps behind as it is.

The events are fun sometimes.... most times its a death race with little to show for the gold that comes out of your bank, hard earned gold for alot of the partisapants.

Make it fun... i'll come Make it more fair, you wont hear me gripe about who got what.
I do buy the event items at the fairs and shard vendors for the museum I run, It would be nice to catch a break on cost of these items.

 

[Lady Storm]

Just a tid bit here

I am a returning player. Last I played was during and just after the "dreadmare" event. I spent a ton of time taming dread mares and selling them from 5-15 mill.

At that time I had though that was the absolute roof on the pricing.

Now I am a tamer by trade. I have always made my gold selling and training pets. As I return, I find a ton of flak about tamers who sell pets for their earning. I have done some research into the matter and find there is a HUGH bitter taste left on the players tongues over the dreadmare inflation.

I, as a regular tamer selling midnight lessers colored Cu's and Greaters of quality(and I do find the best!) find myself facing this terrible aversion to pet sellers. I have never sold a creature above 15 mill even trained!

It was the dreadmare pricing as I was away that basically removed my profession from the game. If I dont want to be harassed ridiculed and price mocked ALL DAY I find myself finding a new profession.

That said, I do really enjoy events specifically those with rare pets(read above "tamer"). Where the real animosity belongs is with the gold seller not the EM and definitely not with the player who believes he can fetch such a price. We are all capitalists at heart!

So next time you feel the need to rant about players selling items for enough gold to choke a white wyrm, ask yourself where would you find that amount ofgold?

I agree with you.... Dread Mares should be a spawn somewhere not a ton mind you but perhaps like when nightmares first came out they spawned in 2 areas, 1 at a time in a 12/24 hour period. Tamers need a way to make a living. Most times I hear a player asking for a blue beetle I pop in and tame one and give it to them... I dont ask for gold and even if I did I wouldnt ask more then 5k. If I can tame it easly and a person wants one ill give it to them!

 

[Ahuaeyjnkxs]

If only there were more lady storms around... some celibate ones too

 

[MalagAste]

I will often if I see someone asking for a Blue Beetle or sometimes even a Fire Beetle go and tame one for someone without getting any gold.

It's just something to help the community. I've been known to go rez someone... show someone how to do a quest... anything to help community.

But back to the subject...

I'm very fed up with the griefing and the gimmie, gimmie, greedy attitude... Sick and tired of hearing people complain about it too... So much so that I almost wish they never ever gave stuff out... Yes I like getting stuff too... but I'm not up there screaming and whining and constantly bugging the EM's about it. But then I show up pretty much every time there is an event andI would do the events regardless of the item dropping... I'm of the opinion that items should not be transferable... and that everyone who attends the event should get one... And ONE per account.

 

[Fayled Dhreams]

I will often if I see someone asking for a Blue Beetle or sometimes even a Fire Beetle go and tame one for someone without getting any gold.

It's just something to help the community. I've been known to go rez someone... show someone how to do a quest... anything to help community.

But back to the subject...

I'm very fed up with the griefing and the gimmie, gimmie, greedy attitude... Sick and tired of hearing people complain about it too... So much so that I almost wish they never ever gave stuff out... Yes I like getting stuff too... but I'm not up there screaming and whining and constantly bugging the EM's about it. But then I show up pretty much every time there is an event andI would do the events regardless of the item dropping... I'm of the opinion that items should not be transferable... and that everyone who attends the event should get one... And ONE per EVENT? per account.

/minor suggestion
/won't stop the beggars

the EM's >should have< the ability to target and squelch

add in the ability to >freeze< the character in place
AS LONG AS THE EM IS LOGGED IN GAME
(blocks the offended account from logging different char, no logout ,,,(added))

*dusts hands*
ahhhhh! the silence of their absence is quite appealing ... yes?
goodies handed out
no haggling for gp
non participants non presence
silence ...

anything else?

 

[Nistra]

The EM Events will and have always ''seemed'' to be unfair.

The main problem is the usually small time notice that is given on each shard that there is an event. [Yet] always the same group of people ''seem'' to attend on every shard on every event at any time of the day???

WORK THAT ONE OUT???

I'm not normally vocal but I had to reply especially to this part....I'm one of the people your probably talking about, I go to a lot of events....I enjoy events..... and you know why I know about them....because every night when I get home from work I check the website for every shard and stratics....yep you read it, every night, I check it the way most people check email. If you want to know where and when they are it's easy.... it takes maybe 10min to run threw them all and scan for that days date. There is no big magic bubble that I get to know where they are .. I WORK at it. You can't blame the people who take the time for someone who doesn't want to be bothered.

Second part
I think the other part people forget to factor in is that ok, that 2hr event dropped an item and whoohoo for me if I actually managed to get one, and if it's not one of the "type" I collect sure I'll sell it.......but how many other events did I go to and how many other hours did I spend where I didn't get an item...... when you actually factor it out and add in all the ones where all you "get" is a lot of death robes and fun....that costs me money, money I have to transfer to that shard in the first place (transfer tokens you wanna talk about things that make ea money) the "instant" profit that people seem to think are on rares items isn't so instant. Eventing/Rares collecting should recognized as a profession all on it's own. Keep in mind most of the "regulars" people are complaining about....well you know what we spent hours on every one of those shards making characters, and money to set them up. Why people think we show up make a character in two seconds and get rich in under an hour I'll never understand..........try it, it's way more work then you probably think it is.....I know this cause a year ago I was saying the same things until the friend I was saying them about got me hooked and showed me what was involved.

I can honestly say I like the pixel crack, I've never denied it. I don't think there is a problem with that, at the end of the event if I didn't get anything its a shoulder shrug and mental better luck next time, but the em always gets a "Thank you em _____ for the fun I'll see you next time". I think the problem is with people being disruptive and rude. Give the em's powers to deal with those people, love the idea of being able to kick them out.

I made the choice to collect rares, and I made the choice to play the game by making characters to go to events, and a part of what keeps bringing people coming to uo is the all the choices you have. You don't always have to enjoy the same thing that some one else does. Nor are you committed to that path forever. But why then is my choice any less respectable than anyone else's, have I not payed for my accounts faithfully every month for over 11yrs? Why does that make my choice less valuable than someone who wants to farm stat scrolls from Harry's? Or spending all day in doom collecting arties?

As for one character in a no recall zone type clickies, bring em on, I love them, means I just got to take my personal pixel crack home.

For the em's and dev's and all those other folks who put the work into these things because I know you read these boards... Thank you

I agree with Galen saying the unappreciative are more vocal but the folks that enjoy your efforts really do appreciate it..... and I think if the em events were done away with...with or without goodies uo would suffer for it.

Angelina

 

[Tjalle]

Quite honestly, I'm becoming of the mind that the EM events should have NO ITEMS ever.

Why?

Because I'm sick to death of the 20 minutes of people whining after the events about:

A) They didn't get an item (when there wasn't one), and thus they whine about the EM(s) wasting their time

B) They didn't get an item (when there was one), the RNG simply wasn't in their favor, and they whine that its favoritism to the people who did get an item

C) When it's a double-clicky vending-machine-style item dispenser and everyone gets an item, and they whine because they can't price gouge the stupidly rich

D) When the item is attendance based, such as rank labeled items or some such, and the person was too lazy to attend that day or any that month (this generally turns into accusations of favoritism)

Since some people can't comport themselves with a little dignity and self-restraint at events, they ruin it for the rest of us. Remove the items and the gimmie-gimmies will disappear, which -yes- will reduce event attendance.

This.

Make it so that the events will attract people who show up for the event itself, not items...

 

[THP]

I'm not normally vocal but I had to reply especially to this part....I'm one of the people your probably talking about, I go to a lot of events....I enjoy events..... and you know why I know about them....because every night when I get home from work I check the website for every shard and stratics....yep you read it, every night, I check it the way most people check email. If you want to know where and when they are it's easy.... it takes maybe 10min to run threw them all and scan for that days date. There is no big magic bubble that I get to know where they are .. I WORK at it. You can't blame the people who take the time for someone who doesn't want to be bothered.

I lot of the time they are only avertised only hours b4 the event starts and sometimes they dont even bother!!!

This makes no sense??? 10 mins to check every EM Website and every stratics link??? i doubt it!!

Why dont the EMS make one yes one desinated website link - even if its on stratics.... that they ALL post on at least 24 hours or better still 48 hours b4 any event they are going to run... this way we could get far more people at the events rather than the same ''dozen'' who seem to attend em all!!!!

 

[Ahuaeyjnkxs]

A profession... hahaha...

Hahahahha

dude thanks for making my discourse so much more attractive.

 

[claudia-fjp]

This.

Make it so that the events will attract people who show up for the event itself, not items...

Then attendance drops to pitiful levels and EA can't justify paying the EMs to entertain so few people so the program is cancelled. Problem solved! :/ News flash, the EM events have ALWAYS been about items. Hell the entire game is all about items. If you don't like an aspect of this game don't participate in that aspect! Feel free to leave the event items on corpses, I'm sure someone else will gladly loot them and you are free to enjoy your story time.

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

Argh.
So.... what is the argument?

Someone gets something someone didnt and sells it to someone for money. I mean gold they got in game that they have but others dont have.


Now I see why I play less. Who freaking cares? About an event I am not attending on a shard I dont play for an item I could by but wonder why the hell would I want to hold on to it and look at it.

WOOHOO THIS GAME IS GREAT.

Exploration and randomization. I am holding my breath.

 

[Luc of Legends]

Hmm, UO much like life is about getting money..

Ever notice Celebrity Chasers (cant spell the word). millions of dollars for that pick of so-so making out with so-so or dingbat's new baby.

Well event item are the same. People run around from shard to shard for that ultimate payday.

Honestly i go to event for fun and story arch if i get an item woohoo. If dont get an item. no biggie.

Like this spellbook from orc event.. i didnt get one, yes i did want one. 2 people i knew got one.. one locked down in museum. I go by from time to time and look it and go on my way. The other also lock down in house so i still look at it.

i dont care if you sell item. i just hate seeing Shard history taken off shard.. So is the nature of the beast.

if it isnt event items, it some other item be it from a glitch, exploit whatever. As long peeps pay uber gold for items, they will be sold.

Like it or not.

Luc

 

[Atheryn]

I sometimes think that UO should adopt item tags such as the rare/ex system used in Final Fantasy XI online.

In FFXI, items that are marked "EX" cannot be sold, traded or given away. If an item is marked as "Rare", players can only possess one of that item at a time in their entire inventory (including bankbox). Some of the best items in FFXI are Rare and EX, meaning that you have to obtain them yourself.

EM items should be rewards for the players who actually attended - they shouldn't be freely sellable. Perhaps the Dev's should look at ways of encoding event items to be character or account bound (esp decorative items) so they can be used, or displayed in the player's house, but not sellable, not tradeable, and cannot be picked up or taken by other players.

I know some items in UO are marked as no-drop/no-trade, but with regard to decorative items, you can't exactly mark them as no-drop, since you kind of have to drop them to display them in your house.

 

[olduofan]

I think I should just be able to log in and have all event items dropped in my backpack even tho I dont go to must events because they lag my comp very bad and our em seems to like fel a lot and im in the smallest fraction so I get ganked over and over just trying to participate in the event pretty boring .... so I want all items for free in my pack for doing nothing sounds fare to me ha..

 

[Manticore]

I like events

I like items

I like collecting items

I like selling items

I like events

I like items

I like collecting items

I like selling items

This entire thread reminds me of Anchorman The Legend of Ron Burgundy where everyone is arguing and Steve Carell just blabs a bunch of nonsense LOL.

 

[WootSauce]

I LOVE LAMP!!!

 

[WootSauce]

I speak the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Please read post #35 for details

^^^
THIS

 

[Ahuaeyjnkxs]

Thanks everyone for making my point very clear...

 

[THP]

NO no no ....

I speak the truth, the whole truth, so help me god..

IF and i mean if the event program is about player particpation and player experiance and players playing alonid other players ....


THEN SO HELP BE GOD...advertise the bloody events on each shard well in advance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and not just allow the mysterious...WE turn up for every event on every shard gang keep making a mockery of al the events

Darn you..I personally could not give 2 monkeys about other shard event items that i simply dont play!!! why would i want baja iam the best robe [1 of 10] when i play europa!!!! I would simply love the europa one...but thats were it falls flat on its face..because 17 out the 25 players doing the europa event ....do not even play on europa normally, they just wanna hit the big fish to sell, leaving people like me on my own shard of europa dispponted and again like me having to continual buy the event items over and over again from the xsharding. leech


THE BEST OPTION TO ME....Make the event items ''shard specific'' so they can be traded on that shard - but not onto other shards..only so people on that shard can have them or buy gold within there own shards economy of said item.


OR UO WILL END UP LIKE THIS
Why waste time on one shard anymore, wasting hours of sometimes fun but labourious time gathering baisiclly worthless commodites etc...when u can simply just try to attend every em event on every shard as your only uo playtime and try hit a big fish very week.

Then swop the pixel trinkets for ones on your preferred shard or the one u used to call home!!!!

 

[5% Luck]

I know some player take things way past the mark here but.... It is very important for UO to have a free and open market. I for one have always set the market here as my yard stick to other games and have ALWAYS been disappointed!

There are a few that can hold a candel to UO but none that can measure up. With that I say, let the players who love this game for what it is have their fun. If they are just plain more domineering that is because they have their game focus on THAT aspect of the game. While the rest of us are slaying deamons filling soulstones and begging at the bank these guys are spamming trade chat(i wish but its really gen chat) scaning boards and filtering a network of info for that one precious bit.

Now I dont agree with the way pricing has evolved but you know your devs are working on the gold/sinks/amounts as priority # 1

 

[Lord X]

Best thing to remember: Things are only worth what someone will pay.

I have attended quite a few LS events (my home shard) and if items are not vending machine related I prob get an item 15% of the time or so. I keep what I get as I am a pack rat and enjoy looking at something locked down on my floor that I myself got.

I got an item at an event months back that was pretty cool (it had a function, it threw cream pies) and i put it with my other event rares. In the weeks that followed one of the same items sold for 225m on my home shard and 400m on the rares forum. I then decided that for that kind of money I would rather have other things and/or just the money (I hadn't owned 100m at any one time previously).

So I sold the item and now have the gold to collect a more specific genre of event rares, one that I enjoy more. Collecting has always been a hobby of people in real life for centuries. Think of it like collecting Baseball cards. You buy a pack of 16 cards for $3 in hope you get your favorite player or that really rare card worth lots. Of course you don't always get what you want. Sometimes the cards in the pack are worth less than what you paid for it. Sometimes its better to just buy the card of your favorite player or that card you really want outright. Sure, Its liable to cost you more money for the single card then a pack or several packs, but you get what you want and pay for. And you don't have to spend your money and time on packs.

Kinda like EM event's if all your'e going for is an item.... sometimes you lose insurance gold but least you still had fun (hopefully), and sometimes you get lucky. If you couldn't attend or weren't lucky you can always pay the inflated cost to get the item. It's all supply and demand, and its worked in every culture for years.

Let me add one more to your list:

E) a unnamed theif (who has Mesanna's backing) on the shard steals the item from the EM's backpack or the recipent's backpack before they can insure it. If there were no more event items at least it'd put this smuck theif outta business.

Fixed! lol

Bug Fixes
Players are no longer able to steal from EM's in Felucca.