Cavern Discards-I may have your soulstones, check inside...

[aoLOLita]

One of my pastimes in Cavern of the Discards - other than farming Ratmen for Imbu ingredients - is "beachcombing". Gods know what you will find washed up here, and no telling from where! Fish nets, MIB's, countless high lvl BODs, soulstones - but on the other hand heating stands, bows, etc from grinding a craft skill. And the loot/imbuing weapons found are always welcome as unravels

I believe anything that touches ground or floor has a chance of spawning a duplicate of itself on a random shard in the Cavern. My experience is that the items are 90% of the time from another shard.

Soulstones I believe are the best thing that ever happened in UO Hate to see them wasted and I found two recently. If you ever visit Legends, stop by and claim them:

Proxes - Green full sstone w/68.7 Animal Training

DaemonScythe - Red full sstone w/ 100.0 med

 

[Dermott of LS]

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Unless something has changed, the method of something appearing as flotsam in the Cavern is a 10% chance of anything dumped in a trash barrel/chest (home or bank).

Never heard anything about something from different shards appearing. Likely they're items someone dumped after sifting through the take from an IDOC.

 

[aoLOLita]

Highly unlikely that anyone woudl throw away Exceptional DC 20/exp 10-15 shadow BODs, CBD sbods, exp horn sbods - even if non crafter. Also unlikely that someone would toss 50 fish nets and almost 50 mibs - even if not a fisher. I've found stacks of 90 Corruption and a stack of 50 essenses. that's just the highlights

No, I remember reading somewhere that anything placed on ground is by definition "discarded" and thus has a chance of spawning in Cavern in some random shard. If a pack beetle runs amok and dies, then its load "falls" to ground and joins the ranks of the "Discarded". If you are sorting loot in your house and set a chest or bag on floor for just a moment, there is a small chance that it too will materialize somewhere.

I know almost every smith/tailor on Legends so know that most of the items found in Cavern are from other shards just from their maker marks.

I may start dropping 1 million gp checks on floor to see if some lucky person hits the lotto somewhere, but it would be my luck the checks would fall through floorboards and no GM would respond

I been "beachcombing" since the Contest was over, so it is not a random phenomenon but a many times a day daily one. Most days It's cr*p, but usually a few high level BODS at least each day. Could be Legends is unique - no idea how other Caverns work...

 

[Uvtha]

Honestly I can see people throwing away those things. And its just stuff in "trash cans".

 

[aoLOLita]

If it's only trash can contents and not "litter" then that old adage is true - "One man's garbage is another's treasure!"

::: returns to the most lucrative dumpster diving other than IDOCs :::

 

[jbfortune]

If it's only trash can contents and not "litter" then that old adage is true - "One man's garbage is another's treasure!"

::: returns to the most lucrative dumpster diving other than IDOCs :::

Anyone who doesn't do bods will have no idea what a good one is. Especially one that says dull copper!

 

[Vor]

I can't see it being anything that goes onto the floor. You'd end up being able to, if unreliably, dupe items if it was true. If it spawns there after deletion from the bin, then there is no risk of people trying to dupe items since you'd lose the original anyway.

 

[Petra Fyde]

The cavern gets items thrown into trash barrels and chests. That's the way the devs told us it worked back at the beginning of SA.

 

[Bobar]

Almost certainly these are Idoc loot that got thrown into trash cans. They have no value to anyone else except for deco and thousands have dropped at Idocs.

 

[Viquire]

The cavern gets items thrown into trash barrels and chests. That's the way the devs told us it worked back at the beginning of SA.

Not to feed a beast, but they have also told us time and again there is no need for characters to eat. I still do not believe this.

 

[Uvtha]

Not to feed a beast, but they have also told us time and again there is no need for characters to eat. I still do not believe this.

You put your own anecdotal belief over the statements of the people who code the game and know how it works? Do you think its some kind of conspiracy to lie to us, or do you think someone snuck in and put in some secret code that somehow the other programmers don't have access to?

 

[Viquire]

Not to feed a beast, but they have also told us time and again there is no need for characters to eat. I still do not believe this.

You put your own anecdotal belief over the statements of the people who code the game and know how it works? Do you think its some kind of conspiracy to lie to us, or do you think someone snuck in and put in some secret code that somehow the other programmers don't have access to?

I just think the hunger system is systemic to the way your character relates to the whole world and very specifically the RNG at a level too deeply entwined to completely extract it. So, yes. You say Poe-tay-toe and lambast me for using a different pronunciation, story of my life man, story of my life.

 

[MalagAste]

You put your own anecdotal belief over the statements of the people who code the game and know how it works? Do you think its some kind of conspiracy to lie to us, or do you think someone snuck in and put in some secret code that somehow the other programmers don't have access to?

I almost have to keep myself from laughing.... you really think that they "know" anything about how codes work in UO? Really?

So if they know so much why did I have to puke after the last patch borked Hueing???

Because yes... they certainly know all about coding UO.

 

[aoLOLita]

I still stand by my theory If it's on the ground - it's "trash". The entire shard is a de facto "trash recycle container" when you consider that all but blackrock bits decay once dropped and left.

Based on the current level of civility shard-wide, I VERY seriously doubt many peeps would take the time to recall to a trash barrel or haul bags and chests weighing hundreds of stone to the "neighborhood" trash barrel. I myself am usually that lazy If I can't unravel it at my soulforge, I usually drop what remains in a loot bag on house floor for the "cleaning crew."

I may have proof either way. I found a gold metal box with 4 items in it: two jacko's with 2 diff character names of same player along with a Blessed Blacksmith/Flame slayer talisman for one of them. Also, there is a Pegasus statue engraved w/ " 3rd Grand Winner of Easter Party 2011". It so happens we are in same Alliance, so I will ask him if he still has statue or tali - or see if he tossed in a trash bin by accident...

 

[Vor]

Most people place trash barrels at their house to avoid having to lug the junk to the bank etc.

 

[Omnius]

I still stand by my theory If it's on the ground - it's "trash". The entire shard is a de facto "trash recycle container" when you consider that all but blackrock bits decay once dropped and left.

Based on the current level of civility shard-wide, I VERY seriously doubt many peeps would take the time to recall to a trash barrel or haul bags and chests weighing hundreds of stone to the "neighborhood" trash barrel. I myself am usually that lazy If I can't unravel it at my soulforge, I usually drop what remains in a loot bag on house floor for the "cleaning crew."

I may have proof either way. I found a gold metal box with 4 items in it: two jacko's with 2 diff character names of same player along with a Blessed Blacksmith/Flame slayer talisman for one of them. Also, there is a Pegasus statue engraved w/ " 3rd Grand Winner of Easter Party 2011". It so happens we are in same Alliance, so I will ask him if he still has statue or tali - or see if he tossed in a trash bin by accident...

The majority of stuff you listed is pretty much garbage. Tailoring bods are considered by most players to be garbage. Since January, I've thrown away more than 9k tailoring bods.

plenty of players view all bods as garbage, and honestly, there is good reason to believe so unless you fill thousands of small smithy bods. The statue you mention is garbage.

I fully believe all of it would be thrown away.

 

[Uvtha]

I almost have to keep myself from laughing.... you really think that they "know" anything about how codes work in UO? Really?

So if they know so much why did I have to puke after the last patch borked Hueing???

Because yes... they certainly know all about coding UO.

Since every dev team since like the second one 11-12 years ago have been telling us that food effects nothing, yes, I do.

And a bug doens't mean that they somehow don't know the code. That stuff just happens.

 

[Basara]

The majority of stuff you listed is pretty much garbage. Tailoring bods are considered by most players to be garbage. Since January, I've thrown away more than 9k tailoring bods.

plenty of players view all bods as garbage, and honestly, there is good reason to believe so unless you fill thousands of small smithy bods. The statue you mention is garbage.

I fully believe all of it would be thrown away.

Anyone who is high enough skill to get DC and Shadow small BODs, knows that they are easy money, with DC 20 Ex & Shadow 10 & 15 Ex smalls taking about 4-8k gold worth of colored ingots to fill, with the reward from 90% of them selling for 120-300k each, depending on the shard (yes, some shards have seen 3 POF vials sell for 1 million gold at auction). Tailor LBODs for CBD would fall into a similar category (as you typically get about 50 smalls for every large), as would the fishing supplies.

The only way ANY of these would be thrown out, would be by someone with no crafter, and no friends that are crafters. And, that population is so close to zero it's not worth mentioning.

The only "normal" scenario I see putting those BODs & MIBs/nets into the cavern would be someone having a sacrificial altar too close to the container the items were meant to be stored in, and accidentally dropping the books into the altar (followed by much screaming).

"Abnormal" scenarios all revolve around a griefer trashing someone's house, or someone quitting the game, and trashing everything to spite the IDOCers.

 

[Vor]

Anyone who is high enough skill to get DC and Shadow small BODs, knows that they are easy money, with DC 20 Ex & Shadow 10 & 15 Ex smalls taking about 4-8k gold worth of colored ingots to fill, with the reward from 90% of them selling for 120-300k each, depending on the shard (yes, some shards have seen 3 POF vials sell for 1 million gold at auction). Tailor LBODs for CBD would fall into a similar category (as you typically get about 50 smalls for every large), as would the fishing supplies.

The only way ANY of these would be thrown out, would be by someone with no crafter, and no friends that are crafters. And, that population is so close to zero it's not worth mentioning.

The only "normal" scenario I see putting those BODs & MIBs/nets into the cavern would be someone having a sacrificial altar too close to the container the items were meant to be stored in, and accidentally dropping the books into the altar (followed by much screaming).

"Abnormal" scenarios all revolve around a griefer trashing someone's house, or someone quitting the game, and trashing everything to spite the IDOCers.

That's not fully true. I know many people with one or more crafters who have never bothered with BODs.

 

[Basara]

That's not fully true. I know many people with one or more crafters who have never bothered with BODs.

I could understand your point if you knew only crafters that had never had smith or tailor skills. But there's a difference between "never bothered with" and "not knowing about". There's not been an experienced smith or tailor (other than on SP & Mugen) in the last 10 years that hasn't at least LOOKED at the BOD system to determine how to get the desirable rewards, and it's only been in the last few years that runics' prices changed radically.

SP & Mugen have the excuse of being pvp-looting shards without insurance, and limited blesses, making runic made items and CBDs without value.

All other shards, though, any real smith or tailor would have wanted runics, once they'd heard of them - and they would have investigated what the method was to gain them. And, with the introduction of the Crimson Cincture, Tangle and the Imbuing skill, the known values of the CBD and POF have gone up too much to be ignored.

I might not have gotten more than a handful of BODs over the last year, but it didn't cause me to forget what constitutes a good BOD, nor has it made me throw away any good ones. Nor would anyone else do so.

 

[Omnius]

Anyone who is high enough skill to get DC and Shadow small BODs, knows that they are easy money, with DC 20 Ex & Shadow 10 & 15 Ex smalls taking about 4-8k gold worth of colored ingots to fill, with the reward from 90% of them selling for 120-300k each, depending on the shard (yes, some shards have seen 3 POF vials sell for 1 million gold at auction). Tailor LBODs for CBD would fall into a similar category (as you typically get about 50 smalls for every large), as would the fishing supplies.

The only way ANY of these would be thrown out, would be by someone with no crafter, and no friends that are crafters. And, that population is so close to zero it's not worth mentioning.

The only "normal" scenario I see putting those BODs & MIBs/nets into the cavern would be someone having a sacrificial altar too close to the container the items were meant to be stored in, and accidentally dropping the books into the altar (followed by much screaming).

"Abnormal" scenarios all revolve around a griefer trashing someone's house, or someone quitting the game, and trashing everything to spite the IDOCers.

You have to realize that for many players 4-8k is garbage. It's annoying to even sell anything worth less than a few million anymore. bulk junk bods might command a few million if you have hundreds or thousands.

tailoring bods are worth less. I wouldn't keep 10k tailoring bods if they would take 1 lock down in one of my houses. They're junk. there is nothing you can't buy for less trouble.

 

[Omnius]

I could understand your point if you knew only crafters that had never had smith or tailor skills. But there's a difference between "never bothered with" and "not knowing about". There's not been an experienced smith or tailor (other than on SP & Mugen) in the last 10 years that hasn't at least LOOKED at the BOD system to determine how to get the desirable rewards, and it's only been in the last few years that runics' prices changed radically.

SP & Mugen have the excuse of being pvp-looting shards without insurance, and limited blesses, making runic made items and CBDs without value.

All other shards, though, any real smith or tailor would have wanted runics, once they'd heard of them - and they would have investigated what the method was to gain them. And, with the introduction of the Crimson Cincture, Tangle and the Imbuing skill, the known values of the CBD and POF have gone up too much to be ignored.

I might not have gotten more than a handful of BODs over the last year, but it didn't cause me to forget what constitutes a good BOD, nor has it made me throw away any good ones. Nor would anyone else do so.

Most of the idoccers across prodo shards that I play toss bods. They don't save them. it's space consuming junk. And not everyone wants a house full of vendors to hold bods.

As for SP/Mugen, those are probably the only two shards you can go to where bod rewards are completely worth holding onto.

 

[Uvtha]

As for SP/Mugen, those are probably the only two shards you can go to where bod rewards are completely worth holding onto.

Not so much since imbuing. All the kits and hammers (aside from the ones you can make easy relics with) are no longer the trouble.

The only thing any one wants from bods anymore is pof, and the occasional CBD. Exactly why I could see someone throwing lots of them away.

 

[MalagAste]

I used to do bods years ago.... but I quit after awhile and have NEVER "Bothered" with them again...

Why?

Because I NEVER received a bod worth keeping.

99% of the crap I got was total crap... so I gave it up years ago.

So yes there are crafters who don't bother with them. I have 6 crafters and I haven't gotten a BoD in years.

Waste of my time and a total waste of precious storage space.