Felucca Festival Of The Grape, (Thread Started By Athelas)

[CrazyNinja]

I dont understand why they keep reintroducing stuff into this game. That item and the event = major fail on the EM's part.

 

[Omnius]

Re: Felucca festival of the grape harvest, Great Lakes 2011.

nah it was neat. Give them credit, they're trying to do something that gives thieves an outlet.

 

[CrazyNinja]

Re: Felucca festival of the grape harvest, Great Lakes 2011.

nah it was neat. Give them credit, they're trying to do something that gives thieves an outlet.

No, they're doing event's and giving out items that have already been done before. Festival of the grape was an old seer type of event if im not mistaken and thats where the blue mugs came from. Same thing has happened with dirty pots, playing cards, dirty plates, connected bottles etc. They are effectively ruining the rares market every time they pull crap like this, which is exactly why more and more people quit collecting older stuff or just stop playing all together. Very unoriginal and a pathetic display of creativity in my opinion.

Maybe that's just me tho idk. Sorry for the rant, I'll shut up now

 

[ChReuter]

Re: Felucca festival of the grape harvest, Great Lakes 2011.

No, they're doing event's and giving out items that have already been done before. Festival of the grape was an old seer type of event if im not mistaken and thats where the blue mugs came from. Same thing has happened with dirty pots, playing cards, dirty plates, connected bottles etc. They are effectively ruining the rares market every time they pull crap like this, which is exactly why more and more people quit collecting older stuff or just stop playing all together. Very unoriginal and a pathetic display of creativity in my opinion.

Maybe that's just me tho idk. Sorry for the rant, I'll shut up now

This item is nothing like the mugs given out at the 99 fest of grapes... Although, it's true that it couldn't be that hard to come up with some new festivals.

 

[CrazyNinja]

Re: Felucca festival of the grape harvest, Great Lakes 2011.

This item is nothing like the mugs given out at the 99 fest of grapes... Although, it's true that it couldn't be that hard to come up with some new festivals.

I didn't say it was, but, purple pitcher - blue mug, both say festival of the grape. Epic fail on creativity. Agreed that it's not really hard at all to come up with something a bit better that doesn't ruin or attempt to ruin old rares heh.

 

[Nightly Spirit]

Re: Felucca festival of the grape harvest, Great Lakes 2011.

This woulda been worth more without the shard name and year, hate when they do that

 

[lineman]

Re: Felucca festival of the grape harvest, Great Lakes 2011.

First of I think they had a event celebrating an old historic occasion in UO, I do not think when a item is made that the EM's worry about resale value. They made a shard specific item with a historical spin on it. Hats Off imo. GL has been coming out with some of the best items in the last couple years and they deserve credit for it.

 

[Woodsman]

Re: Felucca festival of the grape harvest, Great Lakes 2011.

They are effectively ruining the rares market every time they pull crap like this, which is exactly why more and more people quit collecting older stuff or just stop playing all together. Very unoriginal and a pathetic display of creativity in my opinion.

Their concern should not be that it might depress prices on some rare item hidden away in somebody's house.

They also have a limit on what they can do - they can't create new artwork and items, they have to work with what they are allowed to work with.

 

[neptune1369]

Re: Felucca festival of the grape harvest, Great Lakes 2011.

First of I think they had a event celebrating an old historic occasion in UO, I do not think when a item is made that the EM's worry about resale value. They made a shard specific item with a historical spin on it. Hats Off imo. GL has been coming out with some of the best items in the last couple years and they deserve credit for it.

 

[CrazyNinja]

Re: Felucca festival of the grape harvest, Great Lakes 2011.

Their concern should not be that it might depress prices on some rare item hidden away in somebody's house.

They also have a limit on what they can do - they can't create new artwork and items, they have to work with what they are allowed to work with.

Actually, that's exactly what their concerns should be. I would say that a vast amount of people only play this game to indulge in rare collecting, reintroducing old rares like playing cards, skull piles etc only discourages people from collecting rares as they never know when their valuables that they've spent their hard earned gold on is going to go from 50m to 5m. Event's like these and reintroducing items is only further ruining the game for a large amount of people, I know of a lot of people that have already quit because of this and many more considering it, that's saying quite a bit for a game that's gone from millions of subscribers to merely ten's of thousands .

What's the difference in reintroducing old items and duping? They both bring out a large quantity of the same items, they both ruin the game for a lot of people, they both discourage people from collecting rares.

This particular event may not have actually reintroduced an item into the game but it did attempt to recreate an old classic event that brings back memories for a lot of old players, reintroducing it just botches those memories with another lame, unoriginal event. And while the item may not be the same as the first, the name is, and for those of you that understand how to price rares, you know that the name is apart of it.

Enough ranting I suppose. I'll leave you this: How many of you want to see George Lucas make another Star Wars Trilogy? Maybe you want to see Ryan Reynolds play leading role in remaking all the old terminator movies? Sure, some people might get a kick out of it, but for the most part, it just pises everyone off.

 

[Woodsman]

Re: Felucca festival of the grape harvest, Great Lakes 2011.

Actually, that's exactly what their concerns should be. I would say that a vast amount of people only play this game to indulge in rare collecting, reintroducing old rares like playing cards, skull piles etc only discourages people from collecting rares as they never know when their valuables that they've spent their hard earned gold on is going to go from 50m to 5m.

If the UO team was worried about keeping things valuable, then Tram, Malas, etc., would never have happened, and AOS definitely wouldn't have happened, because all of those things devalued things that impacted all players. Fel house owners watched the value of their houses drop with Tram, and some in Tram and Fel watch the value of their houses drop with Malas, and a lot of the crafters watched their professions be gutted with AOS, and so on.

I agree with you a little bit though - the OP is looking to get 65 million gold for an item that was handed out this weekend, that didn't require him to pay a single gp. I can see why it would make you and others mad.

It's silly that I can go hit a few events on various shards and just touch a statue and instantly I've been basically given 3 - 5 million in gold once I hit up the Luna banksitters to sell whatever the item was given out.

I really wonder how many people are attending EM events just because they are looking to score a few million in easy gold or some little item to lock down in their house, as opposed to those who are actually there for the social aspects.

On the other hand, I know enough people who do take these events seriously and are happy to have mementos, and their monthly fees are the same as yours or mine.

One problem is that so many things have been handed out over the years, and because the EMs don't have the ability to create new items and artwork, that there isn't much they can do as far as offering mementos without making some rares collector mad. Maybe you all should brainstorm for things that the EMs could hand out that wouldn't step on your toes?

 

[Gunga_Din]

Re: Felucca festival of the grape harvest, Great Lakes 2011.

I own an original Festival of Grape Glass and i'm not upset about this at all. The Grape Harvest is UO holiday. It should have been celebrated every year and I'm glad it has not been forgotten.

 

[Athelas]

Keep discussion on this item here

On a side note I find I agree with Gunga on this one, I'm glad to see history is not forgotten. It's not at all surprising the GL Em's are the ones to realize this and not everyone collects just to make gold.

 

[CrazyNinja]

Re: Felucca festival of the grape harvest, Great Lakes 2011.

If the UO team was worried about keeping things valuable, then Tram, Malas, etc., would never have happened, and AOS definitely wouldn't have happened, because all of those things devalued things that impacted all players. Fel house owners watched the value of their houses drop with Tram, and some in Tram and Fel watch the value of their houses drop with Malas, and a lot of the crafters watched their professions be gutted with AOS, and so on.

I agree with you a little bit though - the OP is looking to get 65 million gold for an item that was handed out this weekend, that didn't require him to pay a single gp. I can see why it would make you and others mad.

It's silly that I can go hit a few events on various shards and just touch a statue and instantly I've been basically given 3 - 5 million in gold once I hit up the Luna banksitters to sell whatever the item was given out.

I really wonder how many people are attending EM events just because they are looking to score a few million in easy gold or some little item to lock down in their house, as opposed to those who are actually there for the social aspects.

On the other hand, I know enough people who do take these events seriously and are happy to have mementos, and their monthly fees are the same as yours or mine.

One problem is that so many things have been handed out over the years, and because the EMs don't have the ability to create new items and artwork, that there isn't much they can do as far as offering mementos without making some rares collector mad. Maybe you all should brainstorm for things that the EMs could hand out that wouldn't step on your toes?

I'm not mad about it at all, I'm just saying that I believe it's ridiculous to keep reintroducing old rares back into the game. Like, 1 min you have an extremely rare plate of food worth 50m+, you log off for the night, you come back the next day and your 50m super rare plate of food is now a daily spawn item worth about 50k tops . That's just one of many many examples of how they ruin rares in this game.

Look at it like this: Manticore's collection is huge, gorgeous, loads and loads of really expensive event items that has taken him years on end to compile, right? Ok, so next patch they say "All event items prior to this day will now spawn on champs as replicas". You really think Manticore or any other major collector is going to play any more?

Gormach's Glowing Orb Museum on LS is one of the largest collection of seer items in this game, right? So for the summer EM program they start doing all of the old seer event's handing out items similar to the ones originally given out (just like with this recent event). Sure they're keeping history alive, sure it's making sure the past isn't forgotten etc, But the past is the past and we should leave it at that. Like I said before, it's like remaking the Star Wars films, your just fubaring a timeless classic. The past is kept alive by these museums, the items from the past is the only reason a lot of people play, to try to find them and collect them, to show them off in their museum, to spend years hunting down 1 specific item, not to spend years searching for an item or have a lot of old items only to have them start spawning as daily rares or have some EM hand them out at a new event.

 

[Gunga_Din]

The GL event item is a pitcher reused. They didn't release a Blue Glass. If anything, my glass just went up in value now because most collectors had no clue what the Grape Harvest was.

On a side note, Athelas should agree with me more, because i'm right 99% of the time

 

[CrazyNinja]

The GL event item is a pitcher reused. They didn't release a Blue Glass. If anything, my glass just went up in value now because most collectors had no clue what the Grape Harvest was.

On a side note, Athelas should agree with me more, because i'm right 99% of the time

*Sigh* your missing my point.

 

[Lord X]

*Sigh* your missing my point.

I get you're point and you are in a way correct. Though you should've chosen a different horse in this race. I.e. that bone shard or whatever thats now in the SA liche deco spawn.
I think this is different enough because its specific to shard and year. I also agree its nice to remember certain holidays. Besides what better way to kinda kick start the new Brewing thing coming out.

But yeah it def sucks to have something released that is exactly like something that used to be worth a good deal.

 

[Tomas_Bryce]

It is not unusual for an EM to give a nod to the shard's history in this manner. It does not adversely affect the market for these items. In fact, as Gunga Din pointed out, it makes the original item more attractive. Due to a large number of EM rares being available these days, the trend has been to collect sets of items. Having another Festival of Grapes item makes the original that much more attractive, in order to complete the set.

Furthermore, I doubt that even 1% of all of the items created by the EMs in the past 2.5 years are of this type. However, it is nice to see that your logic is as flawed as ever.

 

[Manticore]

Mesanna is well aware of the Rare Collector's community and she tries to be as carefull as she can be when it comes to this issue.

1. In the grand scheme of things, there are far fewer items becoming non-rare over time as there are new rares being introduced into the game.

2. It takes time for the artists to make new graphics and I don't think they have many artists nowadays.

3. So given these parameters I think they are doing the best they can to support our community.

 

[lineman]

*Sigh* your missing my point.

Well you know what they say about opinions, you just happen to be in the minority on this one.

 

[Beleth of Atlantic]

This new pitcher just means if you have it and the original glass, you now have a cool set...

I think rares collectors in general need to step back and consider what is good for the game. The items being introduced by the dev team and normally named and tagged differently and these items are normally decorative graphics. That's the problem with server births... They were not meant to be rares. They were items that were world decorations that were not properly secured. These items being added just provide players with more opportunity to decorate.

As for rares collecting, I would be upset if seer items were being 100% duplicated by EMs but they are not.

 

[CrazyNinja]

It is not unusual for an EM to give a nod to the shard's history in this manner. It does not adversely affect the market for these items. In fact, as Gunga Din pointed out, it makes the original item more attractive. Due to a large number of EM rares being available these days, the trend has been to collect sets of items. Having another Festival of Grapes item makes the original that much more attractive, in order to complete the set.

Furthermore, I doubt that even 1% of all of the items created by the EMs in the past 2.5 years are of this type.

As you obviously didn't notice, I kind of steered off topic on this one as I mainly wasn't referring to this particular event but rather other items that have sprung up like the kahaldun skull pile, plate of food, playing cards etc. I wasn't meaning to solely point out "value" as being the determining factor in this but more so the rarity of these items. Yes, some people only collect for decorative purposes but the majority of collectors do not collect for value or to merely decorate but mainly for the rarity of items. If someone had spent years collecting server birth rares and had a whole stock piled museum of them, (plucked chicken, skull pile, hanging leather leggings, playing cards, plate of food etc) that museum would have been worth a boat load several years ago but now it would virtually be worthless because there would be no rarity to it and it wouldn't be a "museum" at all. So in reintroducing items like that you ruin the rarity of an item which kills a museum or someones drive to even collect "rare" items, it also does the same for someone who collects only for value as destroying the rarity ultimately destroys the value as well, Yes, it most certainly helps the newer players beable to decorate their homes, but at what cost?

That's the problem with server births... They were not meant to be rares. They were items that were world decorations that were not properly secured. These items being added just provide players with more opportunity to decorate.

Regardless of how they were created, accident or not, they are in the game and have been recognized as very important and very rare items by all players and the rares community specifically for as long as they haven't been obtainable. Destroying these items just so newer players can have some new stuff to "decorate" with is just absurd. I guess you would also think it's a good idea to make 2 story statues and marble tables craftable or hey, let's have an event where you can remove the artifact rarity tag from an item you own, that'd be cool! then you wouldn't beable to tell the difference in your server birth tarot cards some rare collector spent 50m on and the crap ones you just picked up for 50k .

However, it is nice to see that your logic is as flawed as ever.

Care to elaborate on this a bit more? What logic have I used in the past? What logic am I using now? How exactly is anything I've said "Flawed"?


As far as this particular event goes, I understand what everyone is saying about "giving a nod to the shard's history" but for one, this wasn't an event that was done on just this one particular shard, so why only acknowledge it on one of the many it was done on? For two, I understand that while some of you think that your old festival blue mugs will now be worth more and that you may now have a cool set and that most people didn't even know what it was, I feel that it devalues the old mug in a way because the event has been recreated and the name has been reused. This mug will still be very rare however, simply because it's a really cool looking blue mug and most of them aren't even lucky enough to still have the festival tag still on them any ways. So maybe the event wasn't just a complete sham like I had originally thought but it was still highly unoriginal, uncreative and shows a lack of new ideas. Something far more creative could have been done, something to go along with a new theme of things perhaps.

Like lineman said, this is all merely my opinion on everything and I could very well be wrong, maybe I am looking at things from the wrong point of view but I think that's why this is a discussion now, so I can see other peoples points of view and perhaps change my perspective on things. The majority of my posts had almost nothing to do with this particular event, as most of you failed to realize. Seeing something recreated just brought up the topic to me of items being recreated and I don't know about any other collector out there but it's frustrating to me to have item's like I've mentioned reintroduced into the game. No one likes dupes but everyone seems to be all cool beans about the reintroduction of items, makes no sense.

 

[Green Lantern]

Hey a little bit of a different spin on it at least the EMs gave something they didnt even have to do that.

 

[Demonous]

*Sigh* your missing my point.

im not sure what point you're trying to make, like gunga said his original festival of the grapes mug probably went up in value because of this, the new mug they gave out on GL was a purple pitcher with a long name that even had the shard name of Great Lakes on it, nothing i know of has made playing cards worth any less in game, dirty pots might be worth a little less because of the stealables but true rare collectors will still pay top dollar

based on your logic, they shouldn't do events for st pattys day, easter, christmas or any other date that matters because items given out for those events will decrease the value of items given out years prior for that same event...

well that logic is obviously wrong, if an item has a certain graphic and another item is created with a completely different graphic for that same event, the original item will not lose any value take 1997 xmas items for instance, those are still worth a ton regardless of new xmas items coming out every year since

 

[CrazyNinja]

im not sure what point you're trying to make, like gunga said his original festival of the grapes mug probably went up in value because of this, the new mug they gave out on GL was a purple pitcher with a long name that even had the shard name of Great Lakes on it, nothing i know of has made playing cards worth any less in game, dirty pots might be worth a little less because of the stealables but true rare collectors will still pay top dollar

based on your logic, they shouldn't do events for st pattys day, easter, christmas or any other date that matters because items given out for those events will decrease the value of items given out years prior for that same event...

well that logic is obviously wrong, if an item has a certain graphic and another item is created with a completely different graphic for that same event, the original item will not lose any value take 1997 xmas items for instance, those are still worth a ton regardless of new xmas items coming out every year since

It's like you didn't even read what I posted, you just read what everyone else posted and said what they did. Only a few people have actually gotten my point, which actually had very little do with this particular event and its item.

Playing cards are stealable now too? or spawn some where, was in a patch note few patches back i believe. You really think true collectors are still going to pay the 50m or so the dirty pots used to go for though? You think they are still worth that much even tho one that looks identical to it in every way except for maybe a slightly different name or weight can be found on dozens of vendors for 20k? The kahaldun pile of skulls for example, you can apparently only tell the difference by the weight, PL spawn weighs 2 stones and original weighs 5 stone, same goes for the wall blood tile and other items.

My point being, that recreating items ruins the game for a lot of people, it ruins old rares, their rarity, their value, their desirability etc and it might JUST be ME but I certainly find it frustrating. That's just my opinion, one that I'm entitled to and one that not everyone may share. I could be wrong on the whole matter, looking at it from the wrong angle, but again, it's just how I feel about it right now.

Now, it's obvious that most of the people that have posted here have had a hard time understanding that my little rant or opinion or whatever you wish to call it, had next to NOTHING to do with this festival of the grape event. Seeing this event being recreated made me think of items being recreated and I obviously got off topic quite a bit.

I do however, feel that if they're going to do this event on GL that they should at least do it on the other shards it took place on, no? I mean, it's like only getting Christmas gifts on one shard lol, just doesn't make sense, does it?

 

[neptune1369]

Playing cards are stealable now too? or spawn some where, was in a patch note few patches back i believe.

they are?

 

[Lord X]

I do however, feel that if they're going to do this event on GL that they should at least do it on the other shards it took place on, no? I mean, it's like only getting Christmas gifts on one shard lol, just doesn't make sense, does it?

They did it on LS too. Tho it was in tram and the EM items were different. A purple hued bottle of wine.

 

[Demonous]

Playing cards are stealable now too? or spawn some where, was in a patch note few patches back i believe. You really think true collectors are still going to pay the 50m or so the dirty pots used to go for though? You think they are still worth that much even tho one that looks identical to it in every way except for maybe a slightly different name or weight can be found on dozens of vendors for 20k? The kahaldun pile of skulls for example, you can apparently only tell the difference by the weight, PL spawn weighs 2 stones and original weighs 5 stone, same goes for the wall blood tile and other items.

they were going to make playing cards new treasure map loot i think after they revamped tmap loot but then changed their mind, and i sold a true rare dirty pot for 80 mil at the rares festival on lake superior in the auction house which was the same graphic of a stealable one, yes the skull pile is a shame though

 

[Lord X]

they were going to make playing cards new treasure map loot i think after they revamped tmap loot but then changed their mind,

Yeah, I remember seeing it on uoguide.com in the new loot tables. Was going to be a random loot on the guardians I believe. I kept searching guardians bodies until one day I noticed it was no longer listed on the site.