Would this end the Great Client Debate?

[Nexus]

I'm actually curious, there are tons of arguments on EC vs CC here. That UO only needs one client and it should be {X} client not {Y} client.


If they were to add an option to the EC, to allow it to display current CC art, with the EC's hotbar/macro/menu set up, would you then consider switching over? Instead of developing 2 clients it would be strictly artwork instead of art work plus two totally different back end designs on the client programs, only 1 set of patches to prepare to send out etc. It might still take more resources than 1 client alone, but it would be less than the resources involved with developing and maintaining two totally different clients.

The way I see it, it's a win-win. The CC folks would get to keep the graphics they adore, as well as gain the benefits of a more robust macroing system, and the EC folks would get everything they have now, plus there would be more attention focused on debuging and improving the EC as a whole.

 

[jaashua]

AAAHHHH.

Listen. The stance of the CC proponents isn't that the CC graphics are so great. It's that the EC graphics are stunningly horrible. Why would we want them to waste the time and resources to ensure the CC's continuance when they could put that time towards making the graphics in the EC presentable?

 

[Anira Cuilwen]

EC graphics aren't horrible. There are not that many differences.

 

[AtlanticVlad]

EC graphics aren't horrible. There are not that many differences.

This made me LOL =)

 

[Raptor85]

if they allowed the CC artwork it would be a start, on top of that fix how crash happy it is, and fix the targeting system. (even on classic targeting it sets last target to the guy who you attacked when you hit him, which is NOT correct, on CC it keeps whatever you actually targeted last) and I'm sold.

 

[WildWobble]

they need to incororate a cc into ec as an option just like the paperdoll add in they just put out make it so useing ec can allow all the look and feel of cc as an option but give the player the options of the ec as well like macro's hot bars ext, I use ec for most everything atm and i enjoy the look of it. the problem is to many uo players are stuck on cc they refuse to try new things probably why they all still play uo! If they could make the ec capable of provideing every aspect of cc except the cheeting then they would be ready to eliminate cc and the scripters would then have to build a whole new system to cheet with.

EC is great for crafting the hot bars are sweet and the inventory is great can switch it to classic or use it as a grid or scroll down look. The big issue i find is passive targeting so often my character is trying to beat on the monster 2 screens away while other things are beating on me.

 

[Frarc]

The debate will never end, no matter what the devs do.

 

[Lady Tia]

EC graphics aren't horrible. There are not that many differences.

This made me LOL =)

OMG me too!

 

[Mapper]

I'm pretty happy with the way things are, A CC option would be great but I wouldn't use it.

And any removal of 2D or EC would just half the player numbers either way so that isn't an option.

 

[Dermott of LS]

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The EC art is predominantly CC artwork already. The people who hate the EC will simply find the next reason to hate it.

 

[Sevin0oo0]

fix how crash happy it is, and fix....

bug free? that ain't happening either

 

[jack flash uk]

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The EC art is predominantly CC artwork already. The people who hate the EC will simply find the next reason to hate it.

Agreed

EC client with pinoc UI and decor pack, plus t map locations just hleped me spend $$$$$ on 2 6 month codes

CC long distant past for me

there are issues with EC of course, most annoying is crash bug and the need to stabalize and dump memery usage, when that is fixed it will be AWESOME

I firmly believe many, many EC haters tried it once, and have never gone back, I was one of them, took me a while to adjust and i can say I am SOLD!!!!!

special thanks go to the imdependent modders, Pinco,Lucis and Dermot and Decors, without them, i would not have made the change


my personal wish is to now abandon the script riddled 3rd party infected CC

but i will lose to many friends and guildmates as they do not like EC or cannot run it, so of course i will not push for it!

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

Nothing will end the client debate.

Even if they phased one out.

Even if they phased both out and replaced them both with something entirely new.

And how do I know this? Because the debate between the CC and the Third Dawn client is still live in some quarters.

-Galen's player

 

[silent]

These polls never quite hit the mark. I think the EC would gain more support from the client base if:

1. Bugs were mostly fixed, there will always be some bugs but make some kind of effort to fix them, k?

2. The Dev team needs to show some kind of interest in the EC, who wants to learn a new interface if there's is a chance it will get scrapped?

I'm getting used to the graphics, the interface and features along with Pinco's add-on has been pulling me in.

 

[Nimuaq]

EC graphics aren't horrible. There are not that many differences.

This made me LOL =)

OMG me too!

I agree with Anira, I dont think they horrible and I actually like paperdoll graphics.

For the diferences:

Originial thread: http://vboards.stratics.com/uhall/235091-difference-between-screenshots-ec-cc.html

I dont see anything to "lol" about for the statement there are not that many differences after checking these screenshots. All item graphics are exactly the same. Only half of the mobile graphics are different, which, again, I dont think they're horrible. On the contrary, I like them .

 

[Ken of Napa]

EC graphics aren't horrible. There are not that many differences.

This made me LOL =)

OMG me too!

And Me!

 

[Amber Moon]

Nothing will end the debate. Even if the dev team chose one client or the other, we would have thread here for years about how the lost of the other client destroyed the game.

 

[Lord Frodo]

I agree with Anira, I dont think they horrible and I actually like paperdoll graphics.

For the diferences:

Originial thread: http://vboards.stratics.com/uhall/235091-difference-between-screenshots-ec-cc.html

I dont see anything to "lol" about for the statement there are not that many differences after checking these screenshots. All item graphics are exactly the same. Only half of the mobile graphics are different, which, again, I dont think they're horrible. On the contrary, I like them .

LOL You need your eyes checked. Tell your char. to sit up straight. Did your parrot die. Think its time to replace your worn carpet. All your brick and stone work needs to be cleaned and recaulked to bring back thier fine details. If you can not see the difference and you are will to accept this then more power to you. I could go on but it would take to much time.

 

[Lord Frodo]

EC graphics aren't horrible. There are not that many differences.

This made me LOL =)

OMG me too!

And Me!

And Me!

 

[Nimuaq]

Tell your char. to sit up straight. Did your parrot die.

Already wrote that some of the mobile graphics are different. I also like the way my char sits or my parrot stays.

Think its time to replace your worn carpet. All your brick and stone work needs to be cleaned and recaulked to bring back thier fine details.

It is the filtering of the graphics that makes them look blurry when you compare them with classical client. I would like them to be clearer as in cc but it doesnt bother me much.

If you can not see the difference and you are will to accept this then more power to you. I could go on but it would take to much time.

I cant see many difference, not the difference. Read the previous posts again. Also, dont mind me, do go on.

 

[HD2300]

LOL You need your eyes checked. Tell your char. to sit up straight. Did your parrot die. Think its time to replace your worn carpet. All your brick and stone work needs to be cleaned and recaulked to bring back thier fine details. If you can not see the difference and you are will to accept this then more power to you. I could go on but it would take to much time.

One is blurry inside the house, and a blurry mess outside the house. The other is the 10 year old client.

 

[olduofan]

EC graphics aren't horrible. There are not that many differences.

This made me LOL =)

OMG me too!

And Me!

And Me!

Wow I hope they are being sarcastic this is very funny

 

[lucitus]

I want a finished Enhanced Client, for me it is equal how it looks like, i have seen so much the last 3 years i play on everything, but not on 2d because i cant see anything it is too small.

 

[Lord Essex]

LoL I agree.. this is pretty good..

*runs into the kitchen gets some popcorn n a beer & runs back and sits down*.. Ok now GO!!

 

[Cogniac]

Both clients are a wash.

Remember that video of the 3D isometric UO2 client? I want that.

 

[Nimuaq]

One is blurry inside the house, and a blurry mess outside the house. The other is the 10 year old client.

Instead of the portrait, I think you should put a man on his 30s to the very same spot the old man is standing but with a wider angle so that the building and the other people can be seen, camera a little unfocused (cause that's fair).

 

[olduofan]

LOL You need your eyes checked. Tell your char. to sit up straight. Did your parrot die. Think its time to replace your worn carpet. All your brick and stone work needs to be cleaned and recaulked to bring back thier fine details. If you can not see the difference and you are will to accept this then more power to you. I could go on but it would take to much time.

One is blurry inside the house, and a blurry mess outside the house. The other is the 10 year old client.

I can tell the difference between the EC and the cc ha

 

[Dellaney]

The CC looks better,it has much more details and nicer colours.
Also i dont like the EC hotbar,i like my original UO-Icons.
If they change this i go on a fr**shard where i can play UO and not a buggy cheap game like the millions of free to play games with ugly neon colours.

 

[Cetric]

Yea probably, except for the fact i still dont like the spell casting macro set for targeting, for a mage in pvp. Too crappy.

 

[Lord Frodo]

Org. statement. I dont see anything to "lol" about for the statement there are not that many differences after checking these screenshots.

New statement. I cant see many difference, not the difference. Read the previous posts again. Also, dont mind me, do go on.

LOL 5 differences and the list could go on a lot longer. If you want to accept substandard grapchis then you are free to do so. That is your choice. It is not mine or a lot of other CC users choice. Accepting substandard work is not the way to tell EA/UO that we think you are doing a great job. We will continue to us a client that we can look at and play UO for hours and hours every day. Have a good day.

 

[Nimuaq]

If you want to accept substandard grapchis then you are free to do so. That is your choice. It is not mine or a lot of other CC users choice.

This is very true, irrelevant since I didnt push anyone to use EC, but very true.

Accepting substandard work is not the way to tell EA/UO that we think you are doing a great job. We will continue to us a client that we can look at and play UO for hours and hours every day. Have a good day.

Substandard is a better term for CC since it is below the current standard, as it is an old client. I think unfinished is a better term for EC.

We will continue to us a client that we can look at and play UO for hours and hours every day.

That is actually what I'm doing, I could not explain it better myself.

Have a good day.

Have a good day Frodo.

 

[Lord Frodo]

Accepting substandard work is not the way to tell EA/UO that we think you are doing a great job. We will continue to us a client that we can look at and play UO for hours and hours every day. Have a good day.

Substandard is a better term for CC since it is below the current standard, as it is an old client. I think unfinished is a better term for EC.

We are not talking UI here. We are talking Graphics. It is very sad when 13 years old graphics are better than 2 year old graphics. I have stated a number of times that the EC UI is better than the CC UI. But never and I mean never will I accept those graphics that they tried to pawn off on us.

 

[Anira Cuilwen]

Am still not seeing the ec graphics as that bad at all. Look at WoW that's crap graphics and a crap game but that's another story

 

[Nimuaq]

We are not talking UI here. We are talking Graphics. It is very sad when 13 years old graphics are better than 2 year old graphics. I have stated a number of times that the EC UI is better than the CC UI. But never and I mean never will I accept those graphics that they tried to pawn off on us.

I agree about the Graphics, but not only for EC, CC graphics should also been updated a long time ago. At the thread about the screenshots, I've found out that most players agree that EC graphics should be better and should reflect more of the CC's original graphics' feel.

They should have done something like that: (I know I post this website a lot but you should agree that it is a great website)

Online page > General > UO Art > Hi-Res Challenge[/url]
Andrea's Ultima Online page > General > UO Art > Hi-Res Challenge
Andrea's Ultima Online page > General > UO Art > Hi-Res Challenge

stroked version of the KR graphics:

Andrea's Ultima Online page > General > UO Art > UOKR Feedback

better paperdolls:

Andrea's Ultima Online page > General > UO Art > UOKR Feedback

 

[Sevin0oo0]

First thing I see is the cliff drop-off, in EC, there isn't one, just blur & fuzz - how is that supposed to be an improvement?
Second is the ground in general - I always wondered who mows the grass in UO, keeping it all neat & trim, but in EC, it looks like they had lop sided wheels on the mower and butchered it all. an improvement?
Third - I've seen where pinco's makes a tremendous improvement and makes EC workable.Why can't I have something that works correctly right outta the box?

The Shame picture looked pretty good for the ground grade (hill) , exc why does the Drake looks so small?

 

[Nexus]

why does the Drake looks so small?

Because in much of the folklore UO uses to draw on involving Dragons, Drakes, Wyrms etc, Drakes were much smaller than Dragons, usually more so than what the CC represents.

 

[Willard]

Pinoc's UI = Awesome EC!

 

[MalagAste]

I'm sorry but you didn't have an option for "Classic what?" Never heard of it.

I use the EC.

 

[Anira Cuilwen]

EC graphics aren't horrible. There are not that many differences.

This made me LOL =)

OMG me too!

And Me!

And Me!

Wow I hope they are being sarcastic this is very funny

*laughs heartly* Personal quoting record ^-^
No, seriously. I think if you put in the original CC graphics you would need to disable the zoom in EC cause it would just look incredible odd. I wonder with what kind of high resoltion graphics they want to come up. If it ends up like KR, then it will be crap. That made the eyes bleed.

CC is a good old horse. EC is trying to do it better. As many before (no comment). I bet, if they enable CC graphics in EC everyone will start whining and complaining because it looks soooooo crap in combination with the zooming.

I'd much more like to flamestrike the artists that did the SA art and practically anything after that. Those things just don't look like UO not even in CC.

Enough from my side. Please continue quoting *Giggles*

 

[Ender]

They both are pretty bad graphic-wise.

That being said, the graphics are almost entirely the same with the exception of mobiles.

 

[SirZ]

CC - the best and that's all. If they close it - I leave the game.

Death to the EC!

 

[Anira Cuilwen]

CC - the best and that's all. If they close it - I leave the game.

Death to the EC!

Heh - Close EC and I leave *laughs*
No, seriously. Both clients have their fans. Closing one of them will cause so many subscriptions to loss that it will be shut down in whole. Well that's a guess but probably true.

 

[AtlanticVlad]

I want a finished Enhanced Client, for me it is equal how it looks like, i have seen so much the last 3 years i play on everything, but not on 2d because i cant see anything it is too small.

Change your monitors resolution to 800x600 and you will be able to see just fine =)

 

[canary]

Where is the 'they both suck and I'd like to see them scrapped in favor of an entirely new 3d client' option?

Heck, let's use the Sims graphics engine. After all its an EA product.

 

[Nexus]

Heh - Close EC and I leave *laughs*
No, seriously. Both clients have their fans. Closing one of them will cause so many subscriptions to loss that it will be shut down in whole. Well that's a guess but probably true.

And that's why I put a poll up about what people would think about incorporating the CC's art as a toggle option in the EC. Most the complaint you hear about the EC aren't that it's hard to manage, it's that it's "UGLY". Putting CC art into a EC wrapper would be removing one major cause of discontent.

 

[Woodsman]

No, seriously. Both clients have their fans. Closing one of them will cause so many subscriptions to loss that it will be shut down in whole. Well that's a guess but probably true.

They are losing subscriptions no matter what. It's just a matter of how fast they are losing them and how fast they can replace them. It's not 2003 when UO could afford to lose 10s of thousands of subscriptions. EA is very ruthless when it comes to UO, and we're probably not too far away from seeing them put a timer on UO if more new players don't come in to replace those who are leaving. Now that I've become a pseudo-IDOC hunter at times, I'm all too aware of people leaving.

The problem is that they don't have the resources to support both clients, and the lack of EC development really hurts when it comes to bringing in new players who are used to high-resolution interfaces and game artwork, and highly customizable clients.

I would love for them to ditch the CC and make a CC UI using the EC for those who like the CC look. I would use it in a hearbeat. I'm no longer on a 1024x768 display and it makes no sense to me to be using a low-resolution client in 2011. Given what a few dedicated fans like Pinco have done in their spare time, I'm certain that the CC UI could be fully implemented as an option within the CC. The EC is very powerful - it's the same engine that's behind Obvlivion, Fallout 3, and Rift, it's just a matter of resources.

 

[RawHeadRex]

agreed, that cliff-dropoff is ridiculi

 

[Dermott of LS]

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The people who hate the EC will simply find the next reason to hate it.

I see my point has been readily and handily made.

 

[Nexus]

Where is the 'they both suck and I'd like to see them scrapped in favor of an entirely new 3d client' option?

Heck, let's use the Sims graphics engine. After all its an EA product.

The EC uses a very robust Graphics Engine, we don't need a new "Client" so much as a new set of artwork...

 

[Lord Frodo]

And that's why I put a poll up about what people would think about incorporating the CC's art as a toggle option in the EC. Most the complaint you hear about the EC aren't that it's hard to manage, it's that it's "UGLY". Putting CC art into a EC wrapper would be removing one major cause of discontent.

We have been asking for this for a long time. Graphics switch Clasic/SA/KR. Hope you have better luck.