Big changes to the Pet Power Calculator! (details)

[Pfloyd]

A suggestion for a database thing is maybe someone you trusted could come and verify through loring the pet, for submission.

 

[Sarsmi]

I just tested out my regular dragon on the calculator and I got back:

0% of the maximum Meditation skill (100 / 0).

I think the calculator things dragons should not be able to have the meditation skill.

 

[Mr Spooky]

Regarding GD, this calculator says it rates the dragons power as ( resists 65% hp 25% and stats & skills at 5% each) haven't really looked how it rates the other creatures.

Anyway, what I'm wondering is, are the dragons skills really not that important? HP and resists are great, but I'd think the dragons skills would weigh more than 5% of the dragons overall power. Most dragons I see people running around with sacrifice some HP and resist loss for higher wrestling/tactics.

I've been taming a few dragons and using this calculator as a reference and so far the dragons that have rated really high (over 4 pnts) don't seem as great as some lower rated dragons I've come across. I haven't trained or tested many dragons recently so I'm wondering what others think or have found out.

For example, which dragons stats would you rather have? Both would be keepers, but which would you use over the other?

A. rated only 3.7
910 hp
625 str
125 dex
615 int
80 phys
79 fire
52 cold
57 poison
68 energy

123 wrestling
120 tactics
110 rs
115 magery

B. rated 4.4-4.5
980 hp
625 str
125 dex
650 int
85 phys
85 fire
52 cold
55 poison
72 energy

109 wrestling
108 tactics
105 rs
123 magery

 

[dadam281]

are there going to be updates to UOCRAFT and the current pets maxes??? Thanks for a great Job, everything you have done is awesome. I suggest having a paypal type no mandatory donation to compensate you for your hard work. I would defiently donate.

 

[kitiara-atlantic]

Hi all -

Battle chickens and ferrets have been added to the Pet Power Calculator, and a bug with the fire beetle calculation has been fixed.

I don't have any ferrets to test out with the calc, so if anybody notices anything bizarre with them, please let me know!

I can be reached via PM here, or via PM on UOForums (kitiara), or via email - uocraft AT gmail -dot- com.

Thanks!!

 

[Taylor]

Kitiara, thanks for the service you provide to the UO community. Keep up the good work.

 

[uoBuoY]

I love this calculator!

But I have a small nitpick...

Example:
A Nightmare's Int and Dex will always train up to 125 without exception, but the calculator doesn't take this into account. The calculation is based on the sub 125 Int and Dex so the final rating is lower than it should be.
Not a huge problem for me. My workaround: always enter 125 for Int and Dex.

 

[Taylor]

As your are entering your pet's data, there is an option to choose whether the pet is "trained" or "untrained/freshly tamed." The default selection is "untrained," which compares the mare's stats against other freshly tamed mares. On the other hand, if you select "trained," it will compare the mare stats against the maximum trainable stats, including 125 dex.

Does that fix the problem?

 

[Afterglow]

would love to see (highland) boura added. thanks for your efforts!

 

[kitiara-atlantic]

Hi Afterglow -

I'll add highland bouras to the list! (I'm on xmas break, off work! w00t!)

Any other pets I'm missing?

:-D

Thanks!

Kit

 

[Afterglow]

I'll add highland bouras to the list! (I'm on xmas break, off work! w00t!)

highly appreciated, enjoy your xmas break!

 

[kitiara-atlantic]

Thanks! The high plains boura has been added The data is based on 60 or so readings, so we still might find some oddball bouras, but it should cover most of them! I'll adjust if I get any reports of bouras outside the ranges.

 

[Afterglow]

that was quick! I little correction, max. int for High Land Bouras is 125, not 30 as indicated (wrong) by the calculator now. Tested on my trained one:

Hit Points: 652
Str/Dex/Int: 522 / 125 / 125
Resists: 65 / 31 / 60 / 43 / 40

"Your pet appears to have been trained since taming. Intelligence calculation exceeds maximum allowances. Please retry using the Trained option. If you did use the Trained option and still see this note, please double-check your input. If your pet exceeds the maximum Intelligence listed below, please contact Kitiara with your pet’s information."

 

[kitiara-atlantic]

Fixed! Thanks

 

[hakeem]

would love to see Vollems from crystals added, or at least posts of what people have gotten.

 

[kitiara-atlantic]

I don't see any stats on the Stratics Hunter's Guide, but if I can get enough samples together I'll add them to the calc! Thanks for the idea Happy New Year!

 

[Hinotori]

Every imprisioned Vollem I've lored has looked (lore wise) and acted like a nightmare. Stat and resist ranges look the same, as well as skills. They even breathe fire.

 

[Godiva_DF]

Regarding trained battle chickens:

max. Dex is 125 (you calculate with 124)
max. Int is 125 (you calculate with 13)

 

[kitiara-atlantic]

Thanks - I updated the 124 to 125 for trained. (I left it 124 for the untrained option, as that's the max observed so far by all that have sent me data). For int, the 13 is for untrained (freshly hatched) battle chickens. The calc should reflect 125 max if you choose the trained option. It is on my end - if not for you, let me know. Thanks!

 

[SashaSeeks]

Hiya Kitiara, I love your pet calculator, I've been using it for about a year and a half, in particular for cus.

Over the last couple of weeks I have seen two cu sidhe stats where they actually got a lower rating after they were completely trained up. How can this be? And can it be fixed? I'll send an example of one, and I can relook up the other one if it will help, (such as a quirk with a particular number imput?) The cu in particular is rating a 4.4 without skills included, and showing only a 4.3 with skills included.

Hope you can see the attachment I'm sending. I haven't quite figured out how to get images to show correctly in posts yet.

 

[kitiara-atlantic]

Got the attachment - thanks, Sasha! Interesting, as full training should help the score, not hinder it! (Skills are only 5% of the score anyway, but still, something is obviously not right!)

I will investigate and post back. Thanks!!

 

[SashaSeeks]

Awsome, thank you Kitiara!!! I use your calculator ALL the time, it gives a good "standard" way to evaluate a pet. Here is the other example of a cu that had quirky ratings. Just in case it helps to pinpoint the problem.

 

[jeza]

Hi,

I have the same problem with my GD, here are the stats :

Your Pet’s Power Rating: 4.3 [4.1 with skills included]


5 Stars Max

Your pet’s data [ - Greater Dragon]:

You indicated that your pet is untrained.

Hit Points: 907
Str/Dex/Int: 631 / 125 / 560
Resists: 85 / 90 / 46 / 57 / 66

Skills:
Training Notes:

Wrestling: 95
Tactics: 91.2
Resist: 88.8
Anatomy: 0
Healing: 0
Poisoning: 0
Magery: 116.1
Eval Int: 50.2
Meditation: 0

Power Ratings (% of max):

Stats: 88% / 100% / 83%

Hit Points: 91%

Resists: 100% / 100% / 84% / 95% / 88%

Compared to the most powerful Greater Dragon, your pet [] has:

88% of the maximum Strength (631 / 713).

100% of the maximum Dexterity (125 / 125).

83% of the maximum Intelligence (560 / 675).

91% of the maximum Hit Points (907 / 1000)

100% of the maximum Physical resist (85 / 85)
* Weighted at 35 % of Resist Score

100% of the maximum Fire resist (90 / 90)
* Weighted at 35 % of Resist Score

84% of the maximum Cold resist (46 / 55)
* Weighted at 5 % of Resist Score

95% of the maximum Poison resist (57 / 60)
* Weighted at 10 % of Resist Score

88% of the maximum Energy resist (66 / 75)
* Weighted at 15 % of Resist Score

73% of the maximum Wrestling skill (95 / 130.5)

72% of the maximum Tactics skill (91.2 / 126).

70% of the maximum Resist skill (88.8 / 126).

0% of the maximum Anatomy skill (0 / 100).

0% of the maximum Healing skill (0 / 0).

0% of the maximum Poisoning skill (0 / 0).

92% of the maximum Magery skill (116.1 / 126).

50% of the maximum Eval Int skill (50.2 / 100).

0% of the maximum Meditation skill (0 / 100).


One thing I find strange is that you compare the skills with the max of a trained GD not a freshly tamed.

I calculated the skill points it'll have when fully trained and tried the pet calc again and it rated my GD at 4.3/4.3

hope this helps

 

[kitiara-atlantic]

Thanks Jeza - so it seems that the issue with a fully trained skill score going down is only in certain situations. That is good to know!

As for the skill comparison... aye, since skills only make up 5% of the score, it did not seem worth maintaining two sets of skill values, as the difference in the 5-star score is so miniscule. So, popular consensus when I built the calculator was to use max trained values.

 

[jeza]

Well I don't know if it's worth changing, because maybe it's a lot of work, but for pets who can have some skills above 100 it would be wonderful if those skills could be taken in account when rating the pet.

Maybe it's just me but I don't even check the skill level a pet has before taming except for Rune Beetles and GD's. For others I know they'll eventually go up to 100 so I don't care.
But for a GD at least wresting and magery are very important for me, much more than 5%
So it would be nice if the pet calculator gave those "above 100" skills more weight in the final rate.

In fact I think the calculator is right with my GD:
If the "non trained" skill levels I gave where in fact the "max trained " skill levels, the GD wouldn't be worth 4.3 don't you think ?

 

[Hinotori]

I just imputed my trained cu sidhe to check it again. It also went down in rating even with max skills. I know computers hate me, so maybe I broke it. *edit* I ran my best foxes through and they came up just fine.


Your Pet’s Power Rating: 4.4 [4.3 with skills included]


5 Stars Max

Your pet’s data [ - Cu Sidhe]:


You indicated that your pet is trained.

Hit Points: 591
Str/Dex/Int: 610 / 125 / 277
Resists: 62 / 41 / 82 / 50 / 84

Skills:
Training Notes:

Wrestling: 100
Tactics: 100
Resist: 100
Anatomy: 100
Healing: 100
Poisoning: 0
Magery: 0
Eval Int: 0
Meditation: 0

 

[kitiara-atlantic]

Still working on this oddball skill rating thing. It doesn't appear to happen on all pets.

Re: greater dragons - reminder, their resists are currently weighted differently than the rest of the calculator. (This doesn't affect the skill calculation, but figured it's worth mentioning!) See this post for the details:
http://www.uocraft.com/2008/11/26/experimental-new-pet-power-calc-feature/

 

[SashaSeeks]

Correct, Myself I have only seen it with the cus (but that is what I'm into). I've calculated tons of them, and have come across it only on rare occasion. For the most part it "seems" to appear mostly on the ones with the higher star ratings. I have rated many cu's that are 3.9 stars or 4.1 stars and had never seen a problem. It seems to be the 4.3 stars and above where the quirk comes in. I've never ran across a 4.2 rating so couldn't tell ya on that one, lol.

 

[jeza]

Re: greater dragons - reminder, their resists are currently weighted differently than the rest of the calculator. (This doesn't affect the skill calculation, but figured it's worth mentioning!) See this post for the details:
http://www.uocraft.com/2008/11/26/experimental-new-pet-power-calc-feature/

That's great ! It really makes more sens than to rate all the resist at the same value.
I was thinking the same but for the skills, maybe that could be a second step ?
And maybe for pets that don't cast you could remove int from the stats or weight it less than phy and dex ?

But again it's just my opinion, maybe it doesn't really make sens or is too long/complicated to do for a very small benefit...

In the meantime I think your experiment on weighting the resists rocks and would really love for it to be done on all the pets.
Cu's for example would benefit of it, the resists that really matter are cold and energy with phy on a close second position. fire and poison are really not that important.

And most of all thanks for this wonderful tool! I prefer not even remember how I was managing before I discovered it

 

[Llewen]

I just wanted to post some feedback. I was away for a couple of years. It's nice to see that this tool has been maintained and the issues with it fixed. Very nicely done.

 

[Demoquin84]

I have noticed that the calculator has been giving me 2 different results when i plug in for fresh tamed and then for trained. As much as a 0.3 or so sometimes.

Also i dont know if this way would be better but could you take the percentage of skill at minimum of 0%. Say min fire res is 30 and your pet has 30 = 0% instead of % of max.

So if you had a higher fire res of 60 out of 90 ... it would show 50% from min-max instead of 66.6% of max alone


Any suggestions?

 

[Wenchkin]

Probably best to drop Kitiara a PM about that, I'm not sure how often she checks in here

Wenchy

 

[kitiara-atlantic]

Hi all -

I'm back again! (It seems every year, no matter how hard I try, I end up taking the spring off from UO). Summer break and Christmas break get the most attention to the calculator (I'm a teacher in that "real-life" thing).

Demo - I'll look into the fresh vs. trained differences. Depending what pet you're calculating, it is feasible that there could be a significant difference, because the max's on some stats go up significantly with training (and the calculator uses those different max values based on whether you choose fresh or trained). If you have a pet that was just barely trained, it's going to take a hit on the calculator - because it is so far from those max possible trained values. That's just the nature of the beast - and I suppose rightfully so, as a barely trained pet has much less value compared to a fully trained one. But I'll double-check to see if I find any oddities in the math.

I've also gotten a request to add wolf spiders to the calculator. The last time I checked, they weren't in the Stratics Hunter's Guide, but I'll be checking again, and if they're not there, will be seeking stat and skill info.

Thanks, everybody! And if you have any more suggestions, feel free to send them my way. I should be back online for the summer

 

[Jlapps]

Great tool! I'm just curious though... why are resist weighted so heavily? I have a bake kitsune which I entered into the calculator, sans skills, with the following stats, hp, and resists:

HP: 329 / 94% of max
Str: 220 / 100% of max
Dex: 145 / 100% of max
Int: 422 / 99% of max

(I stabled both my bake's right after taming, so to the best of my knowledge they are fresh tames - although they do have 12 anatomy skill, not sure why).

Resists: 41 phys / 68% of max
87 fire / 97% of max
46 cold / 77% of max
52 poison / 87% of max
50 energy / 83% of max

Averaging out the % of max resists gives 82.4%. It seems like this should be a pretty good pet, so I'm kind of confused.

This kitsune has a 2.5 star rating. Is this what it should be? If so, why? I understand why resists are important, but why such a huge impact? I guess I'm kind of discouraged because my other kitsune's stats are about as high, with pretty good skills to boot, but it earned an even lower rating due to its resists. Anyone have any advice?

 

[Afterglow]

Hello Kitiara, I just got me a reptalon, freshly tamed:
Hit Points: 483
Str/Dex/Int: 508 / 89 / 278
Resists: 54 / 35 / 40 / 54 / 82

I get told that the dexterity calculation exceeds maximum allowance but it surely isn't trained.

Power Ratings (% of max):
Stats: 99% / 105% / 96%
Hit Points: 97%
Resists: 83% / 78% / 89% / 83% / 96%

maybe some other tamers have experiences like I have about reptalons stats, otherwise it might be something to evaluate.
Thanks for your great work!

 

[Llewen]

Resists: 41 phys / 68% of max
87 fire / 97% of max
46 cold / 77% of max
52 poison / 87% of max
50 energy / 83% of max

This kitsune has a 2.5 star rating. Is this what it should be? If so, why? I understand why resists are important, but why such a huge impact? I guess I'm kind of discouraged because my other kitsune's stats are about as high, with pretty good skills to boot, but it earned an even lower rating due to its resists. Anyone have any advice?

Resists are extremely important in pets. That 41 phys and 46 cold make your bake pretty average I'm afraid, in spite of the stats. However, if you are like most smart tamers you use pets situationally, and if you aren't planning for a pet to do any tanking, then resists are less important to use, and stats are more important.

Also in pvp stats are more important than resists. What you want in pvp is the highest dps possible. I have a rune beetle with amazing stats, but only respectable resists, and I have sold a few rune beetles that rated higher than it. I would never sell that rune beetle unless I can find one with better stats. In pvp that beetle is an absolute monster, no pun intended...

 

[Jlapps]

Gotcha So they're keepers, if I can find a good tank pet with solid resists. Yeah, I understand the situational uses of pets that's why I plan to have a very varied stable!

Maybe a dragon or WW with high resists? depending on whether I expect to face more cold or fire damage. Need something with three slots Or I could just use my friend as a meat shield!

 

[Llewen]

Gotcha So they're keepers, if I can find a good tank pet with solid resists. Yeah, I understand the situational uses of pets that's why I plan to have a very varied stable!

Maybe a dragon or WW with high resists? depending on whether I expect to face more cold or fire damage. Need something with three slots Or I could just use my friend as a meat shield!

Just my two cents, for what it's worth. A dragon makes a good tank, dread warhorses and bane dragons should as well. White wyrms aren't so good unless you are fighting something that doesn't cast spells and does primarily cold damage, such as cu sidhe. Because any mob that casts spells will be doing a lot of fire damage.

The thing is, you don't want to be riding your tank imo, because you want mobs to aggro on your tank, not your secondary pet, for that reason, in my opinion, a nightmare is a better choice than a bake kitsune. And because of the nightmare's high strength, they actually do a lot more damage than a bake kitsune, even considering the bake's larger mana pool and special attack.

In my opinion the bake kitsune is one of the most over rated pets in the game. And I don't say that because I have a terrible bake kitsune. I have a very nice bake, and it is fully trained.

 

[Jlapps]

I've always liked t he kitsunes, though atm I'm using taming jewelry to boost my skill in order to use them. For now I'll just make my friend take the hits In the future though, I'll probably take your advice and go mare / dragon, mare / beetle, or something of that sort I'll probably keep a kitsune around just because, it was my first actual 'tough' tame Thank you very much for the advice! Time to keep plugging away taming those polar bears...

 

[kitiara-atlantic]

Hello Kitiara, I just got me a reptalon, freshly tamed:
Hit Points: 483
Str/Dex/Int: 508 / 89 / 278
Resists: 54 / 35 / 40 / 54 / 82

I get told that the dexterity calculation exceeds maximum allowance but it surely isn't trained.

Power Ratings (% of max):
Stats: 99% / 105% / 96%
Hit Points: 97%
Resists: 83% / 78% / 89% / 83% / 96%

maybe some other tamers have experiences like I have about reptalons stats, otherwise it might be something to evaluate.
Thanks for your great work!

Hail, Afterglow! I've updated the Reptalon max dex untrained to 90, since yours is the second report I've gotten on reptalons. Thanks!

 

[Llewen]

I'll probably keep a kitsune around just because, it was my first actual 'tough' tame Thank you very much for the advice! Time to keep plugging away taming those polar bears...

My first tough tame was many years ago, and I believe it was a nightmare. But that isn't the reason I like them. I actually didn't use nightmares for a long time, and only started using them again recently. I've used both bakes and nightmares quite a lot now, and that's what I base my judgment on.

Go try kill something reasonably tough, like the sphynx, first with a trained bake, then with a trained nightmare. And let them do the killing, don't add damage. What first caught my attention was that the bake takes a lot longer to kill the sphynx, and is a lot harder to keep alive.

You would think that a good bake kitsune would be easier to keep alive, because they have much better resists overall. But my guess is that there is something that we aren't seeing that would explain that - such as the nightmare has the parry skill, while the bake kitsune does not.

 

[Afterglow]

Hail, Afterglow! I've updated the Reptalon max dex untrained to 90, since yours is the second report I've gotten on reptalons. Thanks!

glad I could help, thanks for the quick reply+update!

 

[Ezekiel Zane]

I keep getting Meditation dropped from the calculations for a Dragon. Whether I enter it as trained or untrained it says they "exceeds the max possible Meditation skill recorded for this type of pet."

I just tamed two dragons and they both have Meditation skill after only killing a couple of drakes.

edit:

I noticed that it says (0/0) for the meditation skill for dragons.

 

[Ezekiel Zane]

I like the ability to print your pet's stats, however, you do realize it prints the whole webpage which is six pages long.

 

[kitiara-atlantic]

Hi Ezekiel -

Thanks for the heads-up! I've fixed the regular dragon's meditation skill. Note that even if your new dragon only killed one or two drakes, you'll still have to use the Trained option, because its meditation will have raised from 0. Freshly tamed, they have 0 med, and 0 is the only value that will work using the "untrained" option. But the Trained option should work properly now, calculating the range up to 100.

I've also fixed the printed stat sheet, so it should now only show your power score and the related data (not the entire web page).

If anybody encounters any trouble with the print page (or anything else!), please let me know.

Thanks!!!

 

[Ezekiel Zane]

You're welcome for the heads-up and thanks so much for this wonderful tool. Now my daughter has us retaming all our pets trying to get 3.4s and higher in everything. It ain't easy.

 

[Llewen]

This little tool has completely changed the kinds of pets people tame and keep, and the way pets are bought and sold. I'm not sure Kitiara understands just how much of an impact her pet power calculator has had.

 

[kitiara-atlantic]

Ya know, Llewen, I'd have never guessed in a million years the calc would become as widely used as it is. It was all born out of my own frustration during my cu sidhe obsession phase. I wanted to tame The Best Cu Sidhe Evah, and once I had a few good ones, it was hard to compare them because they were so close in various values. So I initially wrote the calculator for cu sidhes... and then thought, hey - this might work for other pets, too!

And without your help and many others, it would have never become what it is

So thank you, Llewen, and all that have contributed tips and comments and suggestions over the years! May we tame on for many more to come.

 

[startle]

You're welcome for the heads-up and thanks so much for this wonderful tool. Now my daughter has us retaming all our pets trying to get 3.4s and higher in everything. It ain't easy.

Forgive this probably "dumb" question (sorta new to taming), but are you saying that you are releasing then retaming your pets? If so, how does that help?

 

[Llewen]

You're welcome for the heads-up and thanks so much for this wonderful tool. Now my daughter has us retaming all our pets trying to get 3.4s and higher in everything. It ain't easy.

Forgive this probably "dumb" question (sorta new to taming), but are you saying that you are releasing then retaming your pets? If so, how does that help?

That's not what he's saying. He's just saying his daughter has him going out and looking for better pets to replace his old ones.

Now I remember back in the day we used to be grateful for tamers that would tame their bulls, then release them for others to tame again. You can't tame a pet twice and get gains, but if you attempt to tame a pet that someone else has tamed and released, it will be more challenging, and you can sometimes get better gains that way.

However, I now follow the guide in this forum for training taming, and it makes the whole process much easier.