Psychology Today

[Wintermute56]

I've just moved from Atlantic to Great Lakes. One reason I moved was all of the negative/obscene chatter in the General Chat on ATL. There is one goober in particular, and I'm sure everyone on Atl has experienced him/her who loves to create toons with racial or ugly names--usually separating the letters with periods or spaces to avoid being blocked. He/She then begins a torrent of mean-spirited (usually racial and sexual) messages. One thing I love about GL is the much lower volume of meanness in the chat. But to my dismay, this past Saturday, the same person logged onto my new shard and began the same garbage *sigh*.

It got me to wondering about the psychology of such a person. I wonder what's wrong with her/him? Is it a plea for attention? Napoleon complex?

Cheers

 

[Chardonnay]

I've just moved from Atlantic to Great Lakes. One reason I moved was all of the negative/obscene chatter in the General Chat on ATL. There is one goober in particular, and I'm sure everyone on Atl has experienced him/her who loves to create toons with racial or ugly names--usually separating the letters with periods or spaces to avoid being blocked. He/She then begins a torrent of mean-spirited (usually racial and sexual) messages. One thing I love about GL is the much lower volume of meanness in the chat. But to my dismay, this past Saturday, the same person logged onto my new shard and began the same garbage *sigh*.

It got me to wondering about the psychology of such a person. I wonder what's wrong with her/him? Is it a plea for attention? Napoleon complex?

Cheers

Ignore FTW-Complaining FTL...

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

I felt bad when I noticed your post on the GL shard board. Because, as you now know, it's not like GL is free of such things in Global Chat.

But, then again, you probably hadn't expected shard chat to be entirely free of such things, just also including other things. Which GL surely does. As you have experienced already, there's a fair amount of spontaneous Corgul runs, for example. There's also the occasional Ilsh. champ spawn and Peerless run. When Medusa was "the thing to do," there was a lot of that.

As to the topic of your post, the psychology of a smack talked, I have no good comment on that, I am afraid.

*chuckles*

-Galen's player

 

[canary]

GL's problems with global chat are honestly no different than any other shard. We also have quite a few competing guilds who will talk smack to each other publicly.

Personally, I just steer clear of global chat. I didn't need it for 11 years, I still don't need it now. That's pretty much the best advice I can give.

 

[Wintermute56]

But, then again, you probably hadn't expected shard chat to be entirely free of such things, just also including other things. Which GL surely does.

Galen - Thanks for the info. And yes, I'm perfectly ok with smack talk, although the stuff on Atl seems to be a more vitriolic and the volume is much higher. I actually enjoy the general smack talk that I've seen on GL so far--you can tell the folks are just having fun with it. On ATL, to me anyway, it seems much more mean-spirited.

GL's problems with global chat are honestly no different than any other shard. We also have quite a few competing guilds who will talk smack to each other publicly.

Hi canary. Like I said, its this one person, and if you've seen the posts you know what I'm talking about, that I was curious about. Anyway, I like the General Chat for the most part. Its a great way to get a group together to have fun.

Cheers

 

[Ender]

Every time I log on to GL and look at General Chat I think I feel my IQ dropping.

Well, most times anyway.

 

[MalagAste]

Actually most of the time I enjoy the chatter on GL's it's light.... not too engaging or annoying I can follow it most the time... and for the most part the horrid language has toned down...

However that said... I've also been known to page on offenders if I see them talking foul in Chat. Had I seen the person your referring to I would have most certainly paged on them. Also there is an ignore thank the gods. Which I'm more than capable of using and thanks to Pinco it's easy as all get out in the EC.

But as a general rule if I see someone abusing the chat to be hateful and rude I do page on them... it's one thing to be talking smack and discussing a fight... it's a whole other thing to just be doing it for spite... and to be sick.

I don't tolerate that sort of behavior at all. There is role-play and then there is smack talk.... and below that there is just someones sick psychosis.

I suppose you could/should look at it like this... this individual is merely strutting his stuff..... and showing off his/her true self... or trying to act smart and is really giving us all a vivid image into the mind of insanity. We should all be thankful that our lives do not require us to act similarly...

And I'm sorry the loser followed you but rest assured if I do see the chat of this individual myself..... I'll be paging on them.

 

[Warpig Inc]

Get the right 30-40 players on ignore that are lacking in word jousting without being vulgar. Your left with very ammusing one sided conversations to fill long trapping grinds..

And then there is no need to trade or buy from them so good for ignore. Just like house banning deals with a whole account, ignore needs to include all of an account after one character is ignored. Add in an option to also have them banned from your house. With ignore covering all accounts you have, the house bann option would be great if it included all your accounts houses. Not only will this make players think before they speak. Vendor and auction house accounts could be helpful in the do the right thing accountability.

 

[QueenZen]

Actually I did major in human Psychology in college.

Unfortunately, I often still *study* folks/self included, like we are all sort of like frogs under some psychological profiling microscope of life.
So I seldom if ever put folks on ignore because one can learn more about em as individuals & learn more about us all, the more ya...tune in I guess (least for myself).

What was that weird movie ...oh yeh 'silence of the lambs'...I would be the gal studying why the strange one, killed and ate people ! *but ya do have to be careful not to get ...too close* ! lol

These forums and the game in general & rl are fodder for studying Human Psychology !

There was a great study done by a university out of Austrailia or New Zealand a while back regarding multiplayer games and the *in game* bullies or in game...folks that put down others a lot be it racial or sexual or other ways.

Aside from the usual pvp sort of pvp talk... or talkin trash cuz it is *IN* there are those few always whom do have to go down a lane worse than that to berrate others and go far worse, far deeper than others ever will go.

It is generally thought be it in games or rl those folks that just 'have to'...berrate or belittle others badly, usually suffer from their own egos not feeling up to snuff. They feel better and feel UP, if they can put someone else DOWN !

Apparently they NEED to feel good about themselves for whatever reasons, but for some the only ways they can do this sadly is to ...make or try to make others feel SMALL or make others feel like dirt ! What they do not know is an ok ego will not even be bugged by whatever they saying anyhow. But yeh a person whom may feel self conscious bout whatevers WILL be bothered by them whom enjoy to put em down or cuss or curse at them/everyone else, all the time.


Sometimes ya just have to consider the sources of said behaviorisms, and let it go. *They* may need more help than any one can provide them and unless they DO seek help, or *want it* they are not going to be changed.

So let go and realise, some folks ya just can not do nothing about. They are whom and what they ARE..for better or worse. There is a sayin in AA and other groups that does work ...'let go and let God'.

Some peoples can not be changed or *fixed* by even the grandest of human clinical pychologists ! Might take a 'miracle' or some act of some higher superior being, to fix some folks soooo let it go !

 

[Trebr Drab]

I'm an older guy. You all should have seen what anonymity did to the telephone back in the day.

 

[Ls Jax Ls]

Actually I did major in human Psychology in college.

Unfortunately, I often still *study* folks/self included, like we are all sort of like frogs under some psychological profiling microscope of life.
So I seldom if ever put folks on ignore because one can learn more about em as individuals & learn more about us all, the more ya...tune in I guess (least for myself).

What was that weird movie ...oh yeh 'silence of the lambs'...I would be the gal studying why the strange one, killed and ate people ! *but ya do have to be careful not to get ...too close* ! lol

These forums and the game in general & rl are fodder for studying Human Psychology !

There was a great study done by a university out of Austrailia or New Zealand a while back regarding multiplayer games and the *in game* bullies or in game...folks that put down others a lot be it racial or sexual or other ways.

Aside from the usual pvp sort of pvp talk... or talkin trash cuz it is *IN* there are those few always whom do have to go down a lane worse than that to berrate others and go far worse, far deeper than others ever will go.

It is generally thought be it in games or rl those folks that just 'have to'...berrate or belittle others badly, usually suffer from their own egos not feeling up to snuff. They feel better and feel UP, if they can put someone else DOWN !

Apparently they NEED to feel good about themselves for whatever reasons, but for some the only ways they can do this sadly is to ...make or try to make others feel SMALL or make others feel like dirt ! What they do not know is an ok ego will not even be bugged by whatever they saying anyhow. But yeh a person whom may feel self conscious bout whatevers WILL be bothered by them whom enjoy to put em down or cuss or curse at them/everyone else, all the time.


Sometimes ya just have to consider the sources of said behaviorisms, and let it go. *They* may need more help than any one can provide them and unless they DO seek help, or *want it* they are not going to be changed.

So let go and realise, some folks ya just can not do nothing about. They are whom and what they ARE..for better or worse. There is a sayin in AA and other groups that does work ...'let go and let God'.

Some peoples can not be changed or *fixed* by even the grandest of human clinical pychologists ! Might take a 'miracle' or some act of some higher superior being, to fix some folks soooo let it go !

Most people act this way just to see what kind of reaction they can get out of people. I'd exchange your degree for some common sense if I was you.

 

[Trebr Drab]

Actually I did major in human Psychology in college.

Unfortunately, I often still *study* folks/self included, like we are all sort of like frogs under some psychological profiling microscope of life.
So I seldom if ever put folks on ignore because one can learn more about em as individuals & learn more about us all, the more ya...tune in I guess (least for myself).

What was that weird movie ...oh yeh 'silence of the lambs'...I would be the gal studying why the strange one, killed and ate people ! *but ya do have to be careful not to get ...too close* ! lol

These forums and the game in general & rl are fodder for studying Human Psychology !

There was a great study done by a university out of Austrailia or New Zealand a while back regarding multiplayer games and the *in game* bullies or in game...folks that put down others a lot be it racial or sexual or other ways.

Aside from the usual pvp sort of pvp talk... or talkin trash cuz it is *IN* there are those few always whom do have to go down a lane worse than that to berrate others and go far worse, far deeper than others ever will go.

It is generally thought be it in games or rl those folks that just 'have to'...berrate or belittle others badly, usually suffer from their own egos not feeling up to snuff. They feel better and feel UP, if they can put someone else DOWN !

Apparently they NEED to feel good about themselves for whatever reasons, but for some the only ways they can do this sadly is to ...make or try to make others feel SMALL or make others feel like dirt ! What they do not know is an ok ego will not even be bugged by whatever they saying anyhow. But yeh a person whom may feel self conscious bout whatevers WILL be bothered by them whom enjoy to put em down or cuss or curse at them/everyone else, all the time.


Sometimes ya just have to consider the sources of said behaviorisms, and let it go. *They* may need more help than any one can provide them and unless they DO seek help, or *want it* they are not going to be changed.

So let go and realise, some folks ya just can not do nothing about. They are whom and what they ARE..for better or worse. There is a sayin in AA and other groups that does work ...'let go and let God'.

Some peoples can not be changed or *fixed* by even the grandest of human clinical pychologists ! Might take a 'miracle' or some act of some higher superior being, to fix some folks soooo let it go !

Most people act this way just to see what kind of reaction they can get out of people. I'd exchange your degree for some common sense if I was you.

No, he's right. There are people in this world who are "needy". And the internet is the perfect outlet for them, so they are here in all their glorious might. But so are you, you get that too.

 

[Ls Jax Ls]

No, he's right. There are people in this world who are "needy". And the internet is the perfect outlet for them, so they are here in all their glorious might. But so are you, you get that too.

Ah yes, I often forget that everyone on stratics is clairvoyant.

 

[Trebr Drab]

No, he's right. There are people in this world who are "needy". And the internet is the perfect outlet for them, so they are here in all their glorious might. But so are you, you get that too.

Ah yes, I often forget that everyone on stratics is clairvoyant.

Not at all.

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

I'm an older guy. You all should have seen what anonymity did to the telephone back in the day.

Well this made my day thank you.

 

[QueenZen]

Most people act this way just to see what kind of reaction they can get out of people. I'd exchange your degree for some common sense if I was you.

I have both thank you.

I also know of that type of person/personality whom I call the *button pushers/chain yankers* !

They say or do things at times, just to get a reaction and to see what kind of reaction they do get off some people.

And lots of people get sucked right into having/letting someone *else* bother them, whenever they permit someone *else* to get em angry or stay mad or flustered, etc., thus permitting the *button pushers* to OWN, their own mood. etc.



Sometimes it is comic to observe it all, though.

 

[MalagAste]

Personally I prefer not to have to be subjected to their behavior... so I page on them and put them on ignore and hope the GM's deal with them in the manner to which they must and save the rest of those in chat from having to tolerate their behavior.

Suppose I'm a person of action... I'd rather take action now than wait for someone else.

Not that I believe I am the savior of the game or the police of chat or anything.... but I suppose I figure that we've lost enough players over the years to poor behavior why put up with it? People talk quite a bit about scammers, hackers and cheaters... especially scripters and how they "ruin" the game and drive folk away or whatever ruin the economy of the game not like they can do more damage than is already done.... but I figure with all the folk talking about how we need to remove folk who violate the ToS and all.... I'm just doing my part to make the in-game experience better.

 

[Trebr Drab]

Personally I prefer not to have to be subjected to their behavior... so I page on them and put them on ignore and hope the GM's deal with them in the manner to which they must and save the rest of those in chat from having to tolerate their behavior.

Suppose I'm a person of action... I'd rather take action now than wait for someone else.

Not that I believe I am the savior of the game or the police of chat or anything.... but I suppose I figure that we've lost enough players over the years to poor behavior why put up with it? People talk quite a bit about scammers, hackers and cheaters... especially scripters and how they "ruin" the game and drive folk away or whatever ruin the economy of the game not like they can do more damage than is already done.... but I figure with all the folk talking about how we need to remove folk who violate the ToS and all.... I'm just doing my part to make the in-game experience better.

I'll give you props for that. I think a lot more players would do that too, if only there was an immediate response. And if there were, I think there'd be far fewer attempts at such behavior.

 

[Ls Jax Ls]

Not that I believe I am the savior of the game or the police of chat or anything.... but I suppose I figure that we've lost enough players over the years to poor behavior why put up with it?

I've never heard of someone quitting UO because of foul language. All you're accomplishing is getting someone banned.

 

[a slave girl]

Personally I prefer not to have to be subjected to their behavior... so I page on them and put them on ignore and hope the GM's deal with them in the manner to which they must and save the rest of those in chat from having to tolerate their behavior.

Suppose I'm a person of action... I'd rather take action now than wait for someone else.

Not that I believe I am the savior of the game or the police of chat or anything.... but I suppose I figure that we've lost enough players over the years to poor behavior why put up with it? People talk quite a bit about scammers, hackers and cheaters... especially scripters and how they "ruin" the game and drive folk away or whatever ruin the economy of the game not like they can do more damage than is already done.... but I figure with all the folk talking about how we need to remove folk who violate the ToS and all.... I'm just doing my part to make the in-game experience better.

A few excerpts from EA Games about paging on people...



QUESTION
What is Origin's policy regarding harassment?

ANSWER

"In Ultima Online, our goal is to build a strong community that offers a comfortable atmosphere for all of our players. This means seeing that players have the ability to combat antisocial behavior.

Some tools created to achieve this purpose include the "Ignore Player" option and the obscenity filter. The "Ignore Player" option permanently blocks all of an offending player's comments, and you can also choose to block certain offensive words through the UO Obscenity Filter."


and:


"Also considered as harassment is any behavior that is incessant, inescapable, derogatory and directed specifically at you or your group. This includes the act of intentionally targeting and disrupting player events, which is never considered acceptable. An important point to note regarding this type of harassment is that a genuine attempt to alleviate the situation must have been made. This could be an attempt to leave the area or the offending player, or simply the act of asking them politely to stop. If a sincere attempt has been made to solve the problem and the offending player persists in the harassing behavior, it can be considered harassment, and the harassment tool should be used at this time."




"Invalid Harassment"

"Any use of the harassment tool that is not at all related to harassment, or is simply an attempt to get ahead in the GM queue, will be considered Invalid Harassment. We understand that even these calls can be the result of unintentional mistakes, and we will generally allow players a free instance or two without punishment. If the tool is being consistently and blatantly misused, it is possible that the player submitting the logs will receive a warning or temporary suspension."



My Notification Requests


Just wanted to point out the rules for paging for harassment.


I just asked someone in general chat to stop advertising an illegal 3rd party website and they claimed they paged on me...

 

[Dermott of LS]

...

It got me to wondering about the psychology of such a person. I wonder what's wrong with her/him? Is it a plea for attention? Napoleon complex?

G.I.F.T. in action.

 

[WootSauce]

This is a funny article - particularly of interest is item number three.

It needs to be read, and re-read by many many people

5 Internet Life Lessons Parents Need to Start Teaching Kids | Cracked.com

 

[MalagAste]

Who says I page Harassment?

First off the use of racial and sexual explicit language against another player is a violation of the ToS. Period.

I don't even care about the Harassment part. And pointing that out in the ToS isn't the issue. Someone talking nasty about someone else during a fight is one thing... and all the smack talk isn't what I'm talking about NOR was that what the OP was talking about.

What was being discussed went WELL beyond smack talk.

THAT is what I page on. I don't need to hear extremely graphic sexual talk about what someone said they were going to do to someones mother in General Chat. I have paged for that..... trust me. And I'm pretty sure the person got a perma ban for that too.

There are things that don't belong in chat, in-game or in civil conversation... and are NOT tolerated and should NOT be tolerated.

Yes I'm aware of the ignore feature.... however, clear violations of the ToS.... should be reported. It would be the same as you seeing someone hack someone elses account or seeing someone duping and not reporting it.

Many people report scripters.... it isn't any different that reporting on folk for violation of the ToS by using inappropriate racially motivated hate language and describing sexually explicit things in Chat.

If you think that's acceptable behavior than someone has failed you.

 

[Wintermute56]

Hi MalagAstre,

I agree with you completely. I even wonder if the particular person I'm referring to and the reason for my original post isn't violating some kind of hate crime law or something. Anyway, I appreciate you paging on folks like this. They are very few (I've only run across this one goober). So I don't think it would reduce the player base by dumping them--in fact, it might help increase it.

Ultima is a great game. I've spent many years here and on other games like Dungeons and Dragons online, LOTR, Wow. They are fun for a while, but get boring fairly quickly. Ultima, for me anyway, has not. Part of this is the freedom and wide range of things to do. I certainly don't want to limit this freedom by censoring people, But I really appreciate the filter option

 

[MalagAste]

Your right UO is a wonderful game and I enjoy it a great deal.

Again if you need anything on GL's just let me know.

Hope you continue to enjoy your time on GL's.