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As a solo template, it isn't quite as powerful as the sampire since you have to step out to heal every once in a while.
But in a group of two, this is an absolutely insane template.
The template is:
120 swords
120 tactics
120 healing
120 anatomy
120 mysticism
120 focus
The idea is to use cross healing in a group of two. With the fast bandages (2-3 seconds, depending on dexterity) and the fact that you're never bled or poisoned in stone form, you always heal damage. That means that your enemy would have to do extreme amounts of damage in order to even stand a chance against you and your buddy.
And no single enemy can do that without raising cries of foul from everyone who doesn't run these templates.
The only down side is you have to trust your partner pretty much completely.
And for extra power, add more of the same to the mix! Two people cross healing you is much more efficient than one.
When I tried the template myself, I found it great for soloing everything I came across (up to DH/Medusa, never tried higher), but it really REALLY shines in pairs. There's literally nothing in the game which you can't kill with a pair of rock-form mystics with swords... and usually faster than all other templates.
(Side note, I HATE it when those two show up at Corgul... you know who I mean... that means that our groups always loses out on two of the drops) (Side side note, I still can't be mad at them, because one of them was instrumental in my own creation of the same type of template, as well as teaching me more about the game than I could ever post here)
But in a group of two, this is an absolutely insane template.
The template is:
120 swords
120 tactics
120 healing
120 anatomy
120 mysticism
120 focus
The idea is to use cross healing in a group of two. With the fast bandages (2-3 seconds, depending on dexterity) and the fact that you're never bled or poisoned in stone form, you always heal damage. That means that your enemy would have to do extreme amounts of damage in order to even stand a chance against you and your buddy.
And no single enemy can do that without raising cries of foul from everyone who doesn't run these templates.
The only down side is you have to trust your partner pretty much completely.
And for extra power, add more of the same to the mix! Two people cross healing you is much more efficient than one.
When I tried the template myself, I found it great for soloing everything I came across (up to DH/Medusa, never tried higher), but it really REALLY shines in pairs. There's literally nothing in the game which you can't kill with a pair of rock-form mystics with swords... and usually faster than all other templates.
(Side note, I HATE it when those two show up at Corgul... you know who I mean... that means that our groups always loses out on two of the drops) (Side side note, I still can't be mad at them, because one of them was instrumental in my own creation of the same type of template, as well as teaching me more about the game than I could ever post here)
L
Lord GOD(GOD)
Guest
You could always forget Healing and split between Necro/SS for Curse Weapon.
Are you going gargoyle or human?
What about:
120 Swords
120 Tactics
120 Anatomy
100 LJ
120 Mysticism
120 Focus
20 whatever
Then you can take advantage of that new LJ bonus and the regular LJ DI bonus. How is everyone compensating for the -10 SSI? Are you just redoing your weapons with more SSI or including tinker leggings if you haven't already?
My suit does not have tinker leggings just 5 ssi ring and 5 ssi cloak.
Also does this template work without Focus? Is the only benefit focus gives the +resists and resists caps?
What about:
120 Swords
120 Tactics
120 Anatomy
100 LJ
120 Mysticism
120 Focus
20 whatever
Then you can take advantage of that new LJ bonus and the regular LJ DI bonus. How is everyone compensating for the -10 SSI? Are you just redoing your weapons with more SSI or including tinker leggings if you haven't already?
My suit does not have tinker leggings just 5 ssi ring and 5 ssi cloak.
Also does this template work without Focus? Is the only benefit focus gives the +resists and resists caps?
*grumbles*
There goes the idea of:
Soulstoning 120 Myst/focus on, casting Stone Form and then soulstoning it off. Soulstoning 33 mysticism back on to maintain the form.
I already tested it on test center and the resists stay at 75 but if it effects cure/curse resilience then that is probably not good.
D
Dimebag
Guest
You would drop out of stone form the moment you stoned off 120 mystic, works the same as all other forms as far as I am aware
As long as you swap the skills quickly you maintain the form. I have already tested that part. You also maintain the 75 resists cap. The question really is if you still have poison and curse immunity.
It might fall under the extension they gave to vampiric embrace as well. I think it is a three minute timer on vampiric embrace?
Quoted from uohearld:
Adding back in 33 mysticism satisfies the requirement. I was able to maintain the form until I logged out.
Doesen`t it boil down to pros vs. cons?
Stone Form:
Pros:
+5% resist caps
+?% DI
Immunity to certian specials
Cons:
Penality to swing Speed? don`t know
Slow Movement Speed
Sampire: (human or elf)
Pros:
20% Life Leech
Immunity to lvl 4 & below poison
15 SR
Armored Swampy-20% Damage Reduction(excp armor), & mounted movement speed
Cons:
Cure Pots, & Garlic based spells?
Doese the extra 5% resist make up for the Swampies 20% damage reduction? This doesen`t factor in any support skills.
Stone Form:
Pros:
+5% resist caps
+?% DI
Immunity to certian specials
Cons:
Penality to swing Speed? don`t know
Slow Movement Speed
Sampire: (human or elf)
Pros:
20% Life Leech
Immunity to lvl 4 & below poison
15 SR
Armored Swampy-20% Damage Reduction(excp armor), & mounted movement speed
Cons:
Cure Pots, & Garlic based spells?
Doese the extra 5% resist make up for the Swampies 20% damage reduction? This doesen`t factor in any support skills.
L
Lord GOD(GOD)
Guest
You need full Focus and full Mystic for the immunities to work 100%. Tried it way back in beta.
Stone Form is +20 DI, -10 SSI, no movement penalty you're just on foot.
& -25 fire resist is also a con to Vamp Form, you're not exactly immune to Poison either, you still get poisoned it just Cures on first tick.
Stone Form is +20 DI, -10 SSI, no movement penalty you're just on foot.
& -25 fire resist is also a con to Vamp Form, you're not exactly immune to Poison either, you still get poisoned it just Cures on first tick.
You cannot compare the two templates.
Mystic dexxer is a group char and shines there, where a sampire is best played solo.
Without bushido, chiv and no mana discount at all , damage output from weapon is very low , and some things dispel or destroy a colossus very fast.
Then there is no parry, evasion, confidence or feint so sampire comes out much better defensive wise. Also hard to put 120 resist on mystic dexxer, whereas its easy to do on sampire.
The only real problem a sampire has is level 5 poison sometimes, bleed is cured 100% by joat bandies.
Mystic dexxer is a group char and shines there, where a sampire is best played solo.
Without bushido, chiv and no mana discount at all , damage output from weapon is very low , and some things dispel or destroy a colossus very fast.
Then there is no parry, evasion, confidence or feint so sampire comes out much better defensive wise. Also hard to put 120 resist on mystic dexxer, whereas its easy to do on sampire.
The only real problem a sampire has is level 5 poison sometimes, bleed is cured 100% by joat bandies.
What is on your suit?
I admit this title is driving me nuts. The "u-rai" part of the "Rock-u-rai" implies a samurai. The Stone Form Mystic Dexxer typically does not use bushido. It could, but it's a tight template and that is one skill usually left off. So it really isn't a "u-rai" at all. Why don't we go with the original convention and call it a "Mystic Dexxer" or a "Stone Form Mystic Dexxer"?
As for the effectiveness, Lord God's "Mysitic Dexxer Solod Slasher" thread is a good place to start. I worked on TC with a curse weapon Mystic Dexxer and it didn't work as well for me. I probably could have gotten it to work if I kept at it, but I could see that the karma loss from curse weapon was going to negate the effectiveness of my chiv spells. EOO duration and Consecrate Weapon are pretty important for a Stone Form Mystic Dexxor. I have a new Mysitic Dexxor build going now. He's using Lord God's original template, except I am starting with 100 tactics (instead of 120) and 60 chiv (instead of 70). I'm boosting the Chiv on my jewelry to 70. Training is going well and so looks like a good team-based template with healing as its key component. I switched up the suit a little and used M&S Glasses instead of the Faction Spirit of the Totem (my guys isn't in factions). I'm also trying swords instead of macing and using an elf instead of a human. Once I finish him I'll give a report on how it goes.
-OBSIDIAN-
As for the effectiveness, Lord God's "Mysitic Dexxer Solod Slasher" thread is a good place to start. I worked on TC with a curse weapon Mystic Dexxer and it didn't work as well for me. I probably could have gotten it to work if I kept at it, but I could see that the karma loss from curse weapon was going to negate the effectiveness of my chiv spells. EOO duration and Consecrate Weapon are pretty important for a Stone Form Mystic Dexxor. I have a new Mysitic Dexxor build going now. He's using Lord God's original template, except I am starting with 100 tactics (instead of 120) and 60 chiv (instead of 70). I'm boosting the Chiv on my jewelry to 70. Training is going well and so looks like a good team-based template with healing as its key component. I switched up the suit a little and used M&S Glasses instead of the Faction Spirit of the Totem (my guys isn't in factions). I'm also trying swords instead of macing and using an elf instead of a human. Once I finish him I'll give a report on how it goes.
-OBSIDIAN-
i use that mystic template, that lord god made, love it i enjoy it better than my sampire.
i wanted to add some bushido to it, so i made a new char and made the template and suit again.
100 swords - Cap hat to 120
100 tact
90 heal
90 ant
100 bush
120 mystic imbued skill on ring and brac (20)
120 foucs imbued skill on ring and brac (20)
60 chiv.
( something like this im at work so i cant really say)
As yet i havent had really any time to even use it, its almost finsihed only thing i need to do is finish off healing ( at 70 atm).
i got a basic LRC LMC suit, i need to redo that to add Stamina onto it but i get the feeling it wont be as good as the original mystic template.
i wanted to add some bushido to it, so i made a new char and made the template and suit again.
100 swords - Cap hat to 120
100 tact
90 heal
90 ant
100 bush
120 mystic imbued skill on ring and brac (20)
120 foucs imbued skill on ring and brac (20)
60 chiv.
( something like this im at work so i cant really say)
As yet i havent had really any time to even use it, its almost finsihed only thing i need to do is finish off healing ( at 70 atm).
i got a basic LRC LMC suit, i need to redo that to add Stamina onto it but i get the feeling it wont be as good as the original mystic template.
I do count 800 skillpoints here. But even with +30 on ring and brace , this can be made to work well. Possible to get enough hci,dci,di,lmc and stat increase for a good solo char. But i would probably got without 100lrc.
Fencing instead of swords for leafblade, and just spam feint and heal trough everything with bandies and healing stone. Damage output and first mana discount are there , thats one mystic dexxer template i actually like.
Damn, just did see Captain John's hat only comes with swords.
Play Siege, then they cant just jump in on the party.
has anyone tried:
100 swords
109 tactics
100 healing
100 anatomy
120 mysticism
120 focus
61 chiv.
Or some other variation to increase damage output?
100 swords
109 tactics
100 healing
100 anatomy
120 mysticism
120 focus
61 chiv.
Or some other variation to increase damage output?
J
[JD]
Guest
far, with only 100 swords you are going to whiff and be hit more often.. throw on a captain john's hat to solve that
Ok, after a lot of tweaking I came up with a very solid template that is incredibly versatile and get beat almost anything. Works best as an elf in order to use stitchers mitten (+10 healing). Total of 810 skills.
Mystic 120
Focus 120 (90 +30 on jewels)
Archery 120 (100 + Hunters headress)
tactics 100
bushido 100
anatomy 90
healing 90 (80 + stitchers mittens)
Chivalry 70 (40 +30 on jewels)
Suit is 100% LRC, All 65's (bumps to 75 in stone form), 32 LMC, 32 DCI, 6 MR, 80 DI (incl weapon), 25 HCI, +25 dex & +30 stamina, +17 int
Arty's used
Hunters Headress
Stitchers Mitten
Tangle
Spell focusing sash
Shroud of the condemned
Ranger's cloak of augmentation
Legendary detective boots
Conjurer's trinket
Imbued - leather armor, jewels
tunic (lrc, lmc, stam, mr, resist)
legs (lrc, lmc, stam, mr, resist)
gorget (lrc, lmc, stam, 2 resists)
sleeves (lmc, stam, mana inc, 2 resists)
ring (15 focus/chivalry, 15 DCI, 10 LRC, 4 dex)
brac (15 focus/chivalry, 7 DCI, 14 DI, 8 dex)
Most bows are balanced (to use heal stone), SSI, DI, ML, SL
Mystic 120
Focus 120 (90 +30 on jewels)
Archery 120 (100 + Hunters headress)
tactics 100
bushido 100
anatomy 90
healing 90 (80 + stitchers mittens)
Chivalry 70 (40 +30 on jewels)
Suit is 100% LRC, All 65's (bumps to 75 in stone form), 32 LMC, 32 DCI, 6 MR, 80 DI (incl weapon), 25 HCI, +25 dex & +30 stamina, +17 int
Arty's used
Hunters Headress
Stitchers Mitten
Tangle
Spell focusing sash
Shroud of the condemned
Ranger's cloak of augmentation
Legendary detective boots
Conjurer's trinket
Imbued - leather armor, jewels
tunic (lrc, lmc, stam, mr, resist)
legs (lrc, lmc, stam, mr, resist)
gorget (lrc, lmc, stam, 2 resists)
sleeves (lmc, stam, mana inc, 2 resists)
ring (15 focus/chivalry, 15 DCI, 10 LRC, 4 dex)
brac (15 focus/chivalry, 7 DCI, 14 DI, 8 dex)
Most bows are balanced (to use heal stone), SSI, DI, ML, SL