Please Remove 3.0 Pinks from Major bosses

[Elden of Baja]

I grow really tired of doing Navreys, Stygians, and medusa for hours on end, and the only "Real" Drop is a 3.0.... 90% of the time that 3.0 is in

Forensic Eval
Item Identification
Herding
Meditation
Focus
Begging
Camping

Which is Just Even More frustrating. I'm Sure everyone would much rather have a tangle, Medusa floor tile, Navrey night eyes, Tangle, ETC ETC than 3.0 Pinkies in skills Few people Care about or skills that aren't hard to train.

 

[Martyna Zmuir]

Er... No?

Lots of people like SoTs, and getting them from boss mobs is the best way to obtain them if you don't want to go to Fel or pay obscene Luna prices.

Other loot is one way to limit Tangles from flooding the shards more than they aready have.

If you don't like the SoTs you get, then give the ones you don't want away. Sell them. Drop them on the ground. Who knows, you may get a 3.0 taming SoT and be able to sell it for 15m. Yay?

 

[Bazer]

i persoanlly love to get the sot's myself, easy way to get some skills up fast.

 

[Elden of Baja]

Oh no, Once i get up to 100 Forensic eval, Herding, Item Identification, begging, I'm going to make a completely Useless template, eat the SOT'S and then Delete the character.

 

[Tazar]

What? No Taste ID?

 

[cdavbar]

So stop doing boss mobs and the like. Out of hundreds of navreys I have yet to get one pinkie.

Out of the countless primeevils i have gotten many-a-crappy 105 *insert skill here* scroll. But i dont complain, becuase eventually i do get that higher end PS or that 1.0 taming/magery/melee/etc etc that will either work great on one of my char in progress or make me a nice profit.

IMHO this OP is on as stupid as all the blance this balance that crybabies.

 

[ikaikaman]

I think,should remove these worthless Pinks provisionally.Devs said "planning to change worhless skills like Item Identification"the past. so accept these are worthless,It has no problem if these have removed.

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

So stop doing them.

Argh.

Fishing was once useless. Now they sell for millions.

Move along people and stop trying to change what you dont like. Move along.

 

[Nails]

I would love to get a pink... over 100 medusas , 50 narveys, and countless minor bosses and never got one.

 

[[JD]]

I got a 3.0 snooping. Haven't been able to sell it on Sonoma.

 

[MalagAste]

Never gotten an SoT from any boss.

 

[cdavbar]

If you remove the "useless" ones than the ones people pay for become more common. THUS DESTROYING THE MARKET FOR PINKIES. There is no economy if everyone can just go out and get what they want themselves. Look at the SoS chest loot "down"-grade. Sure they added more gold, gems etc. but the "rare drops" are so common they arnt worth a damn to get anymore. I sadly have a bag of SoS scrolls sitting on my floor becuase I am now more frustrated at the loot than I was before their so called upgrade.

People that play this game and have played this game and who truly love this game dont want everythign to be EASY we dont want it all handed to us. And if that means getting a crappy pink scroll that i store away for a day when that skill *might* be usefull again, say in 10 more years then so be it and im fine with that, as well as a lot of other people.

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

If you remove the "useless" ones than the ones people pay for become more common. THUS DESTROYING THE MARKET FOR PINKIES. There is no economy if everyone can just go out and get what they want themselves. Look at the SoS chest loot "down"-grade. Sure they added more gold, gems etc. but the "rare drops" are so common they arnt worth a damn to get anymore. I sadly have a bag of SoS scrolls sitting on my floor becuase I am now more frustrated at the loot than I was before their so called upgrade.

People that play this game and have played this game and who truly love this game dont want everythign to be EASY we dont want it all handed to us. And if that means getting a crappy pink scroll that i store away for a day when that skill *might* be usefull again, say in 10 more years then so be it and im fine with that, as well as a lot of other people.

Well Spoken!

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

If you remove the "useless" ones than the ones people pay for become more common. THUS DESTROYING THE MARKET FOR PINKIES. There is no economy if everyone can just go out and get what they want themselves. Look at the SoS chest loot "down"-grade. Sure they added more gold, gems etc. but the "rare drops" are so common they arnt worth a damn to get anymore. I sadly have a bag of SoS scrolls sitting on my floor becuase I am now more frustrated at the loot than I was before their so called upgrade.

People that play this game and have played this game and who truly love this game dont want everythign to be EASY we dont want it all handed to us. And if that means getting a crappy pink scroll that i store away for a day when that skill *might* be usefull again, say in 10 more years then so be it and im fine with that, as well as a lot of other people.

Agree with Raven, said very well.

But if the OP is trying to say to remove the SoTs completely in hopes that they will get the other drops, then perhaps they should be made aware that the SoT drop is not on the same rng as say, night eyes or tangle. But if they are just saying to remove the useless skills then what I quoted is the best example for me.

 

[Lady Storm]

It's just his luck to get no so well used skill SoTs.
I have gotten a few odd ones but many times the better ones have shown up.
Tangles have been ajusted, they dont drop so many anymore if you havent noticed of late.

 

[Elden of Baja]

The drop rate for something on Navrey is about 1 in 10-15

This is either
Night Eyes
Tangle
3.0 Pinkie

And ilshenar spawns are actually one of the best places in the game for pinks. Out of All my Drops Ever in around 200 Medusas/Navreys.

Medusa
1 Floor Tile < - YAY
1 Medusa Statue < - Yay
1 3.0 Anatomy <- Could be worse
1 3.0 Item ID <- Whats this for again?
1 3.0 Forensic Eval <-
1 3.0 Blacksmithin <- WOH actually useful for when I decide to train up a 3rd one

Navrey
2 Night eyes <- Sweet, Except you can't dye them.... Purple....
0 Tangles <- YES, Awesome
2 3.0 Item Id <- Back to back none the less!!!
1 3.0 Herding <- AWESOME, Now I can herd monsters, Make some sheep herding quests.
1 3.0 Focus <- all you need is a cloak of corruption and to sit in luna....
1 3.0 Med <- Refer to Focus


And in all the ones i've done with guildmates, I've never seen a pink, and an artifact drop. The 1 in 10-15 for navrey, if I get a pink, I know it will be 10-15 more before I get any other drop, so I'm pretty sure they aren't on the same system.

Mind you after posting this I did get the medusa Statue last night. I put my 3.0 anatomy on the ground, put the medusa statue on top of it, and locked it down so I didn't have to look at it anymore.

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

The drop rate for something on Navrey is about 1 in 10-15

This is either
Night Eyes
Tangle
3.0 Pinkie

And ilshenar spawns are actually one of the best places in the game for pinks. Out of All my Drops Ever in around 200 Medusas/Navreys.

Medusa
1 Floor Tile < - YAY
1 Medusa Statue < - Yay
1 3.0 Anatomy <- Could be worse
1 3.0 Item ID <- Whats this for again?
1 3.0 Forensic Eval <-
1 3.0 Blacksmithin <- WOH actually useful for when I decide to train up a 3rd one

Navrey
2 Night eyes <- Sweet, Except you can't dye them.... Purple....
0 Tangles <- YES, Awesome
2 3.0 Item Id <- Back to back none the less!!!
1 3.0 Herding <- AWESOME, Now I can herd monsters, Make some sheep herding quests.
1 3.0 Focus <- all you need is a cloak of corruption and to sit in luna....
1 3.0 Med <- Refer to Focus


And in all the ones i've done with guildmates, I've never seen a pink, and an artifact drop. The 1 in 10-15 for navrey, if I get a pink, I know it will be 10-15 more before I get any other drop, so I'm pretty sure they aren't on the same system.

Mind you after posting this I did get the medusa Statue last night. I put my 3.0 anatomy on the ground, put the medusa statue on top of it, and locked it down so I didn't have to look at it anymore.

The SoTs and the artifacts are not on the same drop roll, unless the developers post that this has changed since the last time it was discussed then I will stick to this point. You could in theory receive both an artie drop and an SoT drop with the rng rolls "yes" on both. Just like at champ spawns, you have a 30% chance to get a replica drop, that 30% is then cut up into three other drop categories, all of these 3 are on the same drop roll, but the chance to get an SoT or a powerscroll is not on the same roll. Same with the bosses in abyss.

But again if a Developer has said or wishes to step in and say that the drop rate for these items are in fact on the same roll of the rng then I will allow you to complain about it in freedom (although it is sort of ridiculous and the champs in ilsh don't give the best sots ).

 

[Martyna Zmuir]

1 3.0 Item ID <- Whats this for again?

Item ID helps with Imbuing, specifically the unraveling of items.

 

[G.v.P]

Never gotten an SoT from any boss.

I didn't even know anything other than Nav dropped pinks -- other than Corgul spawn (outside of normal spawns). Hehe I've never gotten one from a Medusa or Styg.

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

Item ID helps with Imbuing, specifically the unraveling of items.

Where did you get this information from? Just would like a source.

 

[Martyna Zmuir]

Item ID helps with Imbuing, specifically the unraveling of items.

Where did you get this information from? Just would like a source.

From the Five on Friday on 2/27/09:

Will Item Identification finally get some love with Stygian Abyss?

Item Identification will allow a Merchant who is also an Artificer to identify what Imbuing Ingredient an item will produce when it is magically unraveled via Imbuing.

Currently, here are the Imbuing skill requirements to Identify and magically unravel a magic item:

0 Imbuing skill is required for an item that will produce Magical Residue
50.1 Imbuing skill is required for an item that will produce Enchanted Essence
95.1 Imbuing skill is required for an item that will produce a Relic Fragment

Note: these minimum skill requirements are subject to change and are slightly less for Gargoyles.
-Leurocian

I also seem to remember reading that Item ID would allow you to recover more of the 'magic' when you unravel items. However, I can't seem to find where I read it.

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

From the Five on Friday on 2/27/09:



I also seem to remember reading that Item ID would allow you to recover more of the 'magic' when you unravel items. However, I can't seem to find where I read it.

ok the fof simply means when you use item id on an item it will say "relic" or w/e you will get from it. I do remember reading they were thinking about having item id tie into the unraveling but do not recall them ever actually doing it, that's why I asked for the source In case I read wrong.

 

[ikaikaman]

If you remove the "useless" ones than the ones people pay for become more common. THUS DESTROYING THE MARKET FOR PINKIES. There is no economy if everyone can just go out and get what they want themselves. Look at the SoS chest loot "down"-grade. Sure they added more gold, gems etc. but the "rare drops" are so common they arnt worth a damn to get anymore. I sadly have a bag of SoS scrolls sitting on my floor becuase I am now more frustrated at the loot than I was before their so called upgrade.

People that play this game and have played this game and who truly love this game dont want everythign to be EASY we dont want it all handed to us. And if that means getting a crappy pink scroll that i store away for a day when that skill *might* be usefull again, say in 10 more years then so be it and im fine with that, as well as a lot of other people.

Broadly,Agree with you.But Devs said "useless",balancing economic-system with useless Items,It is unhealthy.All skills should be attractive,Of course structured.These Unhealty is Dev's fault. So,remove these worthless Pinks "provisionally".This is the part of process of putting the UO-MARKET right.