Something is wrong with the new fishmongers' quests rewarding system ?

[popps]

Well, I just delivered an Order, a large one to Skara Brae :

- 15 Dungeness Crabs value 0.5 * 15 = 7.5 points

- 15 Blue Crabs value 0.5 * 15 = 7.5 points

- 10 Rock Crabs value 0.5 * 10 = 5 points

- 15 Tarpon value 1.0 * 15 = 15 points

- 15 Yellofin Tuna value 1.0 * 15 = 15 points

- 20 Green Catfish value 0.5 * 20 = 10 points

Total value of Order = 60 points.
Total weight 700/1200 stones.

My reward ?

A "Blue Lobster Bait", 60 charges...........

Totally not funny. A whole lot of time went into filling up that large Order.
I was expecting something really much better. like a Powerscroll given that 10 points have been reported as giving baits and as low as 30 points for a powerscroll.

I fill up an order that totals 60 points which means that it was very time consuming, and get the same reward as a lousy 10 points order ???

This is ridicolous and not balanced out, IMHO.

 

[Kas Althume]

It could have been one of those "rare" books. Be glad you got atleast something you can use.

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

So what do you want?

An island.


You do know the quest is about fishing so you will get lots of baits and fishing stuff.

 

[Divie]

yeah you should have been given the keys to the kingdom and a sparkly housboat for doing a single quest right?

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

PS Ive done many rewards

58 baits. Not one of them blue lobsters.

 

[Kas Althume]

So what do you want?

An island.

Yes!

I wont some island large enough for a keep. Walking along my keep-walls while fishing .. no more sailing ... no more storage issues ... one can dream

 

[popps]

So what do you want?

An island.

You do know the quest is about fishing so you will get lots of baits and fishing stuff.

Well, having done Bulk Order Deeds for a long time, one thing I appreciated there was the somewhat locked up rewards.

That is, there was "some" randomness but not as much to screw up players so much.

I think the fishmongers' rewards should also be locked to the weight of an order much and avoid such a randmness where one can get with a very time consuming order of 60 points' value the same thing that comes with a 10 points' value order....

Besides, if people got a powerscroll with 30 points delivering an order for 60 points should much more so grant it, shouldn't it ?

I am not asking for who knows what, just rewards being less jumping and more in line with the actual value of the work done to fill the order.

I enjoy fishing, but being screwed up like that by an order I do not find it as funny.
Besides, all a Blue Lobster Pie does, is Soak Cold Damage by 5 for 5 minutes. Big deal.........

I'd rather get a 105 powerscroll a thousand times........

 

[jaraxlebaenrae]

where did you get the formula for points? thats the first I have heard of exactly what each item is worth in points.

 

[popps]

where did you get the formula for points? thats the first I have heard of exactly what each item is worth in points.

Fishing forum......

 

[LeBaiton]

[sarcasm]

Dear Mythic developers,

I killed one of your random new end-bosses in your game, but when I opened up the corpse to check the loot, all I saw was random magic items with random mods. When I killed the monster, I wanted it to drop leather armor, rings and bracelets, and I wanted them to have maxed out mods! This is obviously broken. I don't want my loot to be random, but I want the monster to know what it should drop beforehand!

[/sarcasm]

 

[Gowron]

Popps, bottom line:

If you aren't having fun actually doing the quests, then you'll never be happy.

Quite frankly, yes, I would have been disappointed for not getting a 105 PS, but I wouldn't come onto this forum crying that something is broken.

Heck, I'd be looking on the bright side. I imagine after fishing long enough to fill that order, I'd have a bunch of MiB's, nets, and tmaps. On another note, I'd have a pretty good number of scales and hides to either sell or turn in to the library.

Despite not getting what I originally wanted, I would still have things to entertain me.

Oh well, here's a kleenex.

 

[popps]

Popps, bottom line:

If you aren't having fun actually doing the quests, then you'll never be happy.

The issue is not having or not fun, I enjoy the fishing but nonetheless, I do not appreciate that a Quest rated 60 points gives me the same reward as one rated 10 points.....

I will make you an example.

Say you worked up that Valorite Bulk Order Deed, found all of the plate exceptional smalls, digged up the valorite ore (which is casual, random spawn...) but then you get a gargoyle pickaxe as a reward ??

I mean, MUCH less work can get that same gargoyle pickaxe and I simply do not see why one should spend countless hours, instead.......

 

[ikaikaman]

Well, I just delivered an Order, a large one to Skara Brae :

- 15 Dungeness Crabs value 0.5 * 15 = 7.5 points

- 15 Blue Crabs value 0.5 * 15 = 7.5 points

- 10 Rock Crabs value 0.5 * 10 = 5 points

- 15 Tarpon value 1.0 * 15 = 15 points

- 15 Yellofin Tuna value 1.0 * 15 = 15 points

- 20 Green Catfish value 0.5 * 20 = 10 points

Dungeon fish rates 1.5*n BUT.... require to be over 106 skills.

We have to use scrolls sheets,because getting 10 scrolls as rewards are kidding with out dungeon fish.

Of course,complete 105*8.......horrible too lol.

 

[popps]

Now, I was unable to verify this, it was just told to me.

But apparently, someone got a 105 powerscroll for fishing, turning in a 15 Green Catfish order. That is a 7.5 points order folks........

Now, "if" this is true then the whole reward system was coded wrongly, IMHO.

Green Catfish is a shallow sea fish. It hardly takes any effort to pull it up.

It is amazing, astonishing, flabbergasting that the filling of an order which takes only a few minutes will yield a better reward than an order which may take hours to fill.

"If" what I was told is true, then I stand by my original post that my opinion is that the rewarding system for the fishmongers' quests is all messed up.

Rewards should more take into account the compexity and time consuming of the order.

That's at least as I see it.

 

[Gowron]

The issue is not having or not fun, I enjoy the fishing but nonetheless, I do not appreciate that a Quest rated 60 points gives me the same reward as one rated 10 points.....

I will make you an example.

Say you worked up that Valorite Bulk Order Deed, found all of the plate exceptional smalls, digged up the valorite ore (which is casual, random spawn...) but then you get a gargoyle pickaxe as a reward ??

I mean, MUCH less work can get that same gargoyle pickaxe and I simply do not see why one should spend countless hours, instead.......

I think a more comparable argument would be if I worked up a dull copper exceptional BOD and got a gargoyle pickaxe instead of a powder would be a more accurate comparison. If it will take me 4 years to fill that fishing order, then your analogy of comparing the fishing quests to BOD filling would be proportional. However, after all that, a 105 power scroll will hardly suffice.

Nonetheless, you really do need to wipe your nose. It's running now after all the crying.

 

[popps]

I think a more comparable argument would be if I worked up a dull copper exceptional BOD and got a gargoyle pickaxe instead of a powder would be a more accurate comparison.

Well, I guess it is a matter of opinions....

I do not think by all means that as the game stands now a 105 fishing powerscroll can compare to a powder of fortification.

The Bods to get a powder are many and easy to get while, though the dynamics of the system are still unclear to me, it seems that the larger fishmonger orders (5 and 6 parts) are not easy to get.

Not to mention, that the time needed to fill a powder order and the time needed to fill a 5 or 6 parts fishing order are as different as the light for day and night time, IMHO.....

As in regards to the whining, I have no clue why, once someone complaints about something not working well, then by default it goes into a whining issue.

So criticism is no longer allowed ?

We need to always say yes, that we are happy whatever happens otherwise it becomes a whining issue ?

I dissent.

I think criticism is an important factor in promoting improvement and the bettering of things. I laid down my experience and the facts I personally went through when working up the fishmongers' quests and which brought me to build up my opinion that the reward system is just not right as it is.

So, now having an opinion and being a critic is a synonimous to whining ?

Then what a wonderfull country must be a comunist country where everyone is in line with the government, there is no criticism, and nobody would speak against nothing.

Perhaps we should take that as an example ?

/sarcasm

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

Popps its not that hard to fill the orders.
Really.
It does take time and some money.

ON atlantic there are now fish order deeds for 1k or 2k a fish. 1000's. The window for profit is dieing but the window for easily filling monger orders is opening.


OH my point. If it took you 4 months to fill your monger order, Id be with you.


I know from fishing, and I posted a week back, you can fish a ton of fish up in a hour.

You can probably make some gold grabbing a blue lobster and making it a trophy. Then save up the gold and by your fish scroll.

 

[Uvtha]

You should just stop bothering with it until it changes. Ive done many 5-6 part quests and 100+ others and ive only got one 105 to show for it. And you wont ever get more than a 105, so youll have to get 8. It's a lot of work a lot of luck and its not worth it.

 

[Ralco]

The main problem I see with fishing is that there is no bottom cap on the orders. This makes sense with BODs because you can use them to fill large ones. This is not the case with fishing quests and I think it is a major design flaw.

I've been doing orders since launch. Just a casual player. I've completed maybe 40-50. That's a guess as I haven't been keeping track. Yesterday I got an order for 10 shore fish. A complete waste of time.

I know it's not going to give me anything useful. I can't cancel because then I loose standing.

As you gain in standing the fish mongers need to stop giving you crap orders.

 

[Sellingahouse]

Popps Im with you. In last 2 days I filled 12, 5 & 6part orders and didnt get a PS. I got 2 ps in the 1st few days and now none. I have 22 lava traps, 13 lava poles, unknown amount of bait (when I got to 125 I started to combined them), books I just drop on the docks. I dont know how many quest I have done but I really think something is wrong with the rewards right now.


Well just did 4 quest and got a PS. Maybe complaining helps.

 

[hawkeye_pike]

<cynisism>
Fishing rewards are random. Not calculable.
Funny how some people always ask for instant gratification...
</cynisism>

 

[Gowron]

As in regards to the whining, I have no clue why, once someone complaints about something not working well, then by default it goes into a whining issue.

So criticism is no longer allowed ?

We need to always say yes, that we are happy whatever happens otherwise it becomes a whining issue ?

I dissent.

I think criticism is an important factor in promoting improvement and the bettering of things. I laid down my experience and the facts I personally went through when working up the fishmongers' quests and which brought me to build up my opinion that the reward system is just not right as it is.

So, now having an opinion and being a critic is a synonimous to whining ?

Then what a wonderfull country must be a comunist country where everyone is in line with the government, there is no criticism, and nobody would speak against nothing.

Perhaps we should take that as an example ?

/sarcasm

Well, Popps, it's as simple as this. You whine so much, so often, and quite frankly over the trivial, that you have gotten to the point where you are the proverbial "Boy who Cried Wolf".

The bulk of your "criticisms" is pretty much akin to "I want it now!" despite the fact that nothing in the game was meant to be such...except perhaps the loot from mongbats. You seem to expect getting a jackals collar from killing a mongbat.

It's this kind of whining and expectations that lead to communism setting in.

Good job! Not only have you convinced me that you're a whiner. You've convinced me that you are the type who wants everything and never have to work to get it. Karl Marx would be proud of you.

 

[popps]

<cynisism>
Fishing rewards are random. Not calculable.
Funny how some people always ask for instant gratification...
</cynisism>

I guess we probably have different opinions on what "instant" gratification might be....

Personally, working on a fishmonger quest that takes many many hours to complete the assigned order, I do not see it much at all as exactly "instant".....

Sure, if one buys the crabs, lobsters or fishes required it takes only a matter of minutes but that is a work around because the actual intended way is fishing them up on one's own, not buying them....

 

[popps]

You seem to expect getting a jackals collar from killing a mongbat.

I have said it a thousand times that I am of the opinion that player vs. player combat, in order to thrive, needs to be balanced out, on an equal footing and with as much as possible an open ended combat. Meaning, that no side should overwhelmingly be able to have the upper hand. Once combat is initiated, neither party should expect a victory regardless from one's own armor, weapons, modifiers.

Only doing this would ensure the thrill of the challenge.

In order to achieve this, it is necessary, IMHO, that items needed for PvP combat are readily available to all players and not exclusive of a limited number of players, only.

This is an item based game, items and their modifiers make people win fights.

In order to have fights be open ended, balanced out and thrilling to all and thus have PvP thrive and prosper, these items needed for PvP combat should be all over and easily obtainable by players.

If this means getting jackal collars from mongbats, then be it.....

My point of view is motivated, reasoned and has nothing to do with comunism or getting everything for nothing. It merely has to do with having PvP prosper and thrive since design has chosen to make this an item based game.

If Ultima Online was still a skill based game then we'd probably be talking a different argument but since (unfortunately) it is no longer, this is the argument that, for the better sake of the game, I feel to make.

By the way, and for the record, "/sarcasm" implies the presence of a sarcastic paragraph the precedes it....

 

[popps]

Yet another piece of information that convinces me even more that something ain't right (and probably is wrong...) with the way that fishmongers' rewards are working now.

Someone reported getting a 110 powerscroll as a reward from doing "dungeon" fishing quests.

For the record, dungeon fishing seems to only kick in "after" one reaches 106 fishing skill.

But if 110 PS only show up past 106, how is one supposed to reach 106 to start with ?

Yes, binding up 8 105 PSs is a possible "work around" to go past 105 and hit 106 so that one can keep moving up. Still, it is a work around and the game dynamics should not rely on this not to mention the fact that if one has already "created" a 110 PS from binding up 8 105s, I do not see the point to then "earn" a 110 PS....

As I said, yet another piece of information that convinces me further that something is wrong with the way that rewards are working for fishmonger quests.

It is not about wanting any island or a comunism paradise, it is merely about having a reward system for fishing that could work better taking into account players' efforts and time spent more........

 

[Gowron]

Yet another piece of information that convinces me even more that something ain't right (and probably is wrong...) with the way that fishmongers' rewards are working now.

Someone reported getting a 110 powerscroll as a reward from doing "dungeon" fishing quests.

For the record, dungeon fishing seems to only kick in "after" one reaches 106 fishing skill.

But if 110 PS only show up past 106, how is one supposed to reach 106 to start with ?

Yes, binding up 8 105 PSs is a possible "work around" to go past 105 and hit 106 so that one can keep moving up. Still, it is a work around and the game dynamics should not rely on this not to mention the fact that if one has already "created" a 110 PS from binding up 8 105s, I do not see the point to then "earn" a 110 PS....

As I said, yet another piece of information that convinces me further that something is wrong with the way that rewards are working for fishmonger quests.

It is not about wanting any island or a comunism paradise, it is merely about having a reward system for fishing that could work better taking into account players' efforts and time spent more........

Finally, you say something rational and well thought out. I can concur with this.

 

[Umfufu]

I was the one that finally got a 110 PS, after binding 8 105's to get the 106 mark to be able to get the next level orders.
Now I am sure as stated buy a dev that one can get a 110 with 105 fishing.
In my case it was faster to get 9 105s then the one 110 ...
Untill I I got this dungeon fish orders ... and I do not know yet if it was sheer luck or if the 110s will drop now for me as the 105s did.

Now to make clear ... I do not mind working for what I wish ... I didn't mind getting 9 105 scrolls to progress ( I ate the first, so needed 8 more).

What does scare me atm ... is what now ...
To get the 9 scrolls took me 339 Quests ... I think this is doable if one wishes 110 enough.
But now ... because of lack information, and the fact I did a pretty hefty order to get this one ... I can only guess what is needed for a 115 or even 120.

To make a 110 is easy compaired to making a 115 .. that would be 12 x 8 scrolls ?
.. and to make a 120 ...

I do not wish stuff on a silver platter but I must admit .. if this trend goes on as is, the path to 120 does make me shiver a bit.

On the other hand, we do not have enough information yet to go by ...
Is this it ?
Is there a next sort of threshold to meet to advance more in the orders ?
Will the odds get better as one get more and more rep ?
Will the orders at one point exeed more then 6 lines ?
Will that be rep or skill related ?

So besides the fact that atm it does "feel" for many one needs a 110 to get one.
There is more time needed for players to write down more of their experiances so we can piece the puzzle together.


I cannot say if we need more input from the devs on this.
I do like the way the mystery unfolds as players post their experiances.
I am scared a bit atm, because as the situation is now, I just don't see what is needed to get a 115 or 120.

Meanwhile I do still continue doing this quests and enjoy most of it, I do keep hoping for the best.

 

[popps]

I was the one that finally got a 110 PS, after binding 8 105's to get the 106 mark to be able to get the next level orders.

First and foremost, thank you for sharing your experience with us.

Now I am sure as stated buy a dev that one can get a 110 with 105 fishing.
In my case it was faster to get 9 105s then the one 110 ...

Personally, I cannot see earning nine woundrous scrolls of fishing (105) as reasonable versus earning an exalted scroll of fishing (110) before them.....

I mean, I could have understood you getting 2, 3 even 4 woundrous scrolls of fishing before bumping into a 110, but getting 9 of them, sounds to me like something just ain't working well in the rewards department.......

Untill I I got this dungeon fish orders ... and I do not know yet if it was sheer luck or if the 110s will drop now for me as the 105s did.

Now to make clear ... I do not mind working for what I wish ... I didn't mind getting 9 105 scrolls to progress ( I ate the first, so needed 8 more).

What does scare me atm ... is what now ...
To get the 9 scrolls took me 339 Quests ... I think this is doable if one wishes 110 enough.
But now ... because of lack information, and the fact I did a pretty hefty order to get this one ... I can only guess what is needed for a 115 or even 120.

To make a 110 is easy compaired to making a 115 .. that would be 12 x 8 scrolls ?
.. and to make a 120 ...

Yes, that sounds scary to me....

As I said, there should be more of the Bulk Order Deeds rewards guidelines into the fishmongers' Quests rewards i.e., higher rewards should more stick with certain large orders so to avoid that large and time consuming orders might go wasted receiving petty rewards like baits or, worse, "rare" books which are not really rare at all (players drop them on the floor as they get them)...

I do not wish stuff on a silver platter but I must admit .. if this trend goes on as is, the path to 120 does make me shiver a bit.

On the other hand, we do not have enough information yet to go by ...

That something is hard to get, I can understand, the problem is, that if something becomes unreasonably too hard to get this might scare off some players who could give up the task of getting that one item.

Now, do NOT get me wrong.

I am NOT saying here that getting a 120 fishing Powerscroll should be made easier than what it is.

NOT AT ALL..........

I am saying, as you said, that I need more informations from the Developers before being able to make up my mind about what could or not be more reasonable.

It all goes down to "what" bonus will 120 Legendary fishing bring.

If the bonus that the Developers have designed and coded is comparable to the work and effort to earn that 120 Legendary Powerscroll then I am all in favour of leaving the difficulty of getting it as it is, even a nightmare. Even if it took 1 year of playing or 5,000 Quests to get.

What I would hate, though, is when getting a 120 Legendary fishing Powerscroll was a nightmare only to realize that the bonus received from it was not worth the time, effort and hassle.

But since we simply do not know what 120 Legendary fishing brings as a bonus to fishing, I cannot formulate an opinion on this and I would love to know more from the Developers so as to figure out whether my time, work, effort, dedication and mental sanity is worth it or not.

Is this too much to ask ?


I am impressed then that you counted all quests you did from the first 'till the 339th....

I have been doing quests over and over but not really counting them.

Even playing more than I could afford, I end up being able to do like perhaps 10 or so a day, it also depends on how large the order is (there is also the Halloween Event, the Bane Event and questing, the Pirates Capturing which take up playing time as well...). Keeping this pace (which is not easy for me as I got a ton other things going on in my life at the same time...) that would mean like some 33 days to get a 110 powerscroll, go figure how long to make Legendary.......

That would still not be a problem for me "IF" and I stress it as a BIG "IF", the bonus coming from Legendary fisherman status will be comparable with the work, effort, dedication AND time put into it.

At this point, only the Developers know it, though, and I am not sure whether I want to enter a dark tunnel that I see no light at the end, at this one time.......

 

[Petra Fyde]

The issue is not having or not fun, I enjoy the fishing but nonetheless, I do not appreciate that a Quest rated 60 points gives me the same reward as one rated 10 points.....

This is inaccurate.

The reward you got was 60 charges to catch a rare lobster. A quest rated 10 points would only give 10 charges of bait, and not for that particular creature. Chrome found during testing that there were different levels of bait. Our information on that aspect is incomplete, but what we have is here: Fishing Quests

 

[popps]

The issue is not having or not fun, I enjoy the fishing but nonetheless, I do not appreciate that a Quest rated 60 points gives me the same reward as one rated 10 points.....

This is inaccurate.

The reward you got was 60 charges to catch a rare lobster. A quest rated 10 points would only give 10 charges of bait, and not for that particular creature. Chrome found during testing that there were different levels of bait. Our information on that aspect is incomplete, but what we have is here: Fishing Quests

Well, my understanding is, that all baits are for rare catches be them fishes, lobsters, crabs.

The charges..... Well, most baits I get with much smaller orders are on average coming up with 30 charges anyways so, I do not see the "extra" charges I got with my rewards much a justification for the waste of a much more time consuming large order like that.

Why would players want "rare" fishes anyway ? Because of the buff pies....

Well, the "rare" lobster baits I got for the 60 points large order makes a pie that absorbs cold damage (5 points, that is.....) for 5 minutes. Big deal........
And, mind you, the use of a bait does not even guarantee the catch, only helps it.

Increasing in fishing skill, intead, is a permanent buff which helps (I guess because at this one time it is not much known what higher fishing skill brings as a bonus....) in the chances to get white pearls, MiBs, rare fishing nets and blah blah.

I would have preferred a million times getting a 105 powerscroll rather than that "rare" lobster bait......

 

[Petra Fyde]

why do you want a fishing power scroll anyway? What will it allow you to do that you actually want to do?

 

[Kas Althume]

[...thats a carp...]

I want a fish THIS BIG
The higher the fishing the higher the chance for special fish.

 

[popps]

why do you want a fishing power scroll anyway? What will it allow you to do that you actually want to do?

My expectation (but as of now I have no idea what 120 fishing might bring as a bonus...), is that at the very least it will allow me to get what I need/want in less time spent on it since my higher skill will considerably increase my chances of getting what I want/need.

Stuff like white pearls, special nets, Ancient SOSs, special catches and, who knows, perhaps even new stuff that only Legendary Fishermen can catch thanking to their superior skill.......

 

[Umfufu]

why do you want a fishing power scroll anyway? What will it allow you to do that you actually want to do?

That is a good question ...

Why most that want it, want it ??
Because they put them in game ?
Because it a part of the new booster we paid for and was advertised in as such ?
Because it makes my fisher looks cool?
Because it makes me feel I prefect my fisher ?
Because it a goal to achieve ?

You ask this in such a fashion as if I should feel ashamed for wanting one period.

Tbh ... I myself do not expect more from a higher fishing skill then a chance to catch the rare fish I can catch now with a somehwat better successrate, and the chance to catch the rare ones I did not have the honor yet to catch at all ... I have the feeling some require a higher skill to pop up.
I honestly haven't read or heard of any other benefit then this.

I was hoping as a crafter to give my cook more purpose with the new Fish Pies ... I like crafting .. the Fish Pies looked so useful ...
Sofar I am wrong, I put a selection of Fish Pies on my vendor and they are barely moving ... why ? ... maybe all make themselves, maybe because they do not stack ... I cannot say yet ...

But please do not try to make me feel "guilty" for wanting one ....

 

[Umfufu]

It all goes down to "what" bonus will 120 Legendary fishing bring.

If the bonus that the Developers have designed and coded is comparable to the work and effort to earn that 120 Legendary Powerscroll then I am all in favour of leaving the difficulty of getting it as it is, even a nightmare. Even if it took 1 year of playing or 5,000 Quests to get.

What I would hate, though, is when getting a 120 Legendary fishing Powerscroll was a nightmare only to realize that the bonus received from it was not worth the time, effort and hassle.

Popps I am afraid for you ...
I really believe myself all higher fishing skills brings is a better chance to catch rare fish.
Ofcourse I cannto say this for sure, but this is what I believe for now.

 

[Petra Fyde]

no guilt implied, I'm hoping for one myself, but doing things in a more leisurely fashion. I'm doing the quests because I enjoy doing them.
Just wondering, for those that find them a chore and the rewards not worthwhile, why are you bothering?

 

[Silverbird]

Actually i hope for 120 doing:
- remove fishing-fails (Having to wait for the fishing pole timer and catching nothing is not fun. )
- improve the ratio common crabs/lobster to uncommon ones (Thought this one is a problem that we had not before the new booster and popps might argue: if we didnt got the booster, we wouldnt need this one ... )
- enable my fisher to have a chance to catch up every available fish (Maybe it also improves the outcome of a bait.)
- with some luck, it also might give a better chance for arties when spawning leviathans (Remember ... GM fishers have an initial chance of 25% for an artefact drop when throwing a net and the leviathan gets killed.)
- higher chance to fish up the new strongboxes from normal sos messages
- maybe little higher chance for a asos when opening a mib

 

[Umfufu]

no guilt implied, I'm hoping for one myself, but doing things in a more leisurely fashion. I'm doing the quests because I enjoy doing them.
Just wondering, for those that find them a chore and the rewards not worthwhile, why are you bothering?

I don't find it a chore, I still do the quests with fun.
Yes .. at first I admit to be a little too obsessed ... till I realized I was ... and adjusted my approach ...
Now I only do them when I am in the mood for it, and not like it a race or something ... I do not wish to spoil my love for fishing over this.

I do admit ... I am not the biggest fan of crab fishing as it is now ... but when I do manage to catch what I need to turn in a delivery I feel content again ...
And yes ... I do grumble when I work for 2-3 hours for a delivery to get a book, my monitor does have to endure some grumbling I put its way and my cat looks at me strange.
BUT ... it part of the challenge ... despite my grumble ...I realize that without this grumbling ... the satisfaction of finally getting what I want won't be so great.
Maybe I am a masochist (that was a joke)

But on the other hand I do understand what popps is trying to say.
Atm it seems it is going to be a huge challenge to obtain a 120 ...
He wants to know if it worth it for him.
Maybe he wants to see the light at the end of the tunnel ... ?
He tries to say that the path to the reward should be in pace with the reward given.
I agree with this ... but do feel that each can view this different.

Again on other hand ... we do not know all yet ... it is hard to judge for now ... it will take more weeks or longer for all of us see the results of all fishers and to understand more of this Monger system.

 

[hawkeye_pike]

Just wondering, for those that find them a chore and the rewards not worthwhile, why are you bothering?

Some people want instant gratification just for the sake of gratification. No logic applies to this. Sounds strange, but many players act this way.

Oh well, here I said it again. "Instant gratification". Bygones.

 

[Umfufu]

Some people want instant gratification just for the sake of gratification. No logic applies to this. Sounds strange, but many players act this way.

Oh well, here I said it again. "Instant gratification". Bygones.

I think that was very mean to say ...

I do not want instant gratification ...
I have put in my effort for what I wanted ...

And sometimes not all works perfect when just ingame and gets finetuned along the way.
There were some bugs with the Monger Quests and Crab Fishing, the devs say themselves and fixed alot already.

But they need the feedback of players to realize this and look into the matter. I assume if they feel the feedback is just they then adjust the situation as they have done sofar.
This feedback is NOT always asking for instant gratification !

Mesanna tweak the drop rate of the 105 2 times, and for the first time she admit it was too low ...
I am sure if there was unreasonable demands she would not do this.

Now I for one am still awaiting the experiances the next weeks of all fishers.

But as it look now if feels for some to go to the other side of the world ... by foot ...
Some gulp at this .. this gulping still doesn't mean they want all NOW and easy ... maybe they just ask for a little more balance ?

Why you have to word this into the extreme opposite I do not understand.

 

[popps]

no guilt implied, I'm hoping for one myself, but doing things in a more leisurely fashion. I'm doing the quests because I enjoy doing them.
Just wondering, for those that find them a chore and the rewards not worthwhile, why are you bothering?

The thing is, at this one time too little is known about what good might the Legendary fisherman status bring.

In the meantime, since the time to get the powerscroll and the training will take considerable time, I am trying to do what I can to make it there.

Of course, I'd like to know whether my efforts, dedication and most importantly, time is well put into the effort.

As of now, I lack sufficient informations that would allow me to make a responsible choice for my time. I am looking forward to knowing whether 120 Legendary fisherman is all worth the effort or not.

 

[popps]

Just wondering, for those that find them a chore and the rewards not worthwhile, why are you bothering?

Some people want instant gratification just for the sake of gratification. No logic applies to this. Sounds strange, but many players act this way.

Oh well, here I said it again. "Instant gratification". Bygones.

I do not know about others but for me, it is not about instant gratification but more about "sufficient", "worthwhile" gratification......

I do not mind having to spend 1 year to get a 120 fishing powerscroll and having to work on some 5,000 Quests if necessary (hardly a reward that is "instant"....) BUT, I want the bonus that comes with all of that hard work, dedication, time, well worth it........

I do not this this is too much to ask.

People always spend zillions of words on risk vs reward well, there is also a time vs. reward issue here, IMHO.

At least, I would like to know what I will get for the time I will need to spend on the effort and make a responsible choice whether for me it is worth it or not.

As of now, I am unable to make that responsible choice because all I know is that getting fishing powerscrolls is very, but very hard and time consuming.

I am NOT questioning this harshness at all. Only, I would like to know what good higher fishing skill will bring to me so that I can make up my mind whether or not I want to go for it or whether I might consider it a waste of my playing time.

 

[LeBaiton]

I do not know about others but for me, it is not about instant gratification but more about "sufficient", "worthwhile" gratification......

I do not mind having to spend 1 year to get a 120 fishing powerscroll and having to work on some 5,000 Quests if necessary (hardly a reward that is "instant"....) BUT, I want the bonus that comes with all of that hard work, dedication, time, well worth it........

I do not this this is too much to ask.

But that's not your original question. Your original post states that you completed a quest which you spend, in your eyes, a considerable ammount of time on, which didn't offer a, again in your eyes, suitable reward...

This is ridicolous and not balanced out, IMHO

You could have started out a little more humble and ask the devs if they need to iron out some flaws, of if it's working as intended.

Anyway, you say you don't want instant gratification, but let's be honest here. If you reread what you've stated in your first post, and what you're stating right now in your last post, can you really blame people for calling you out on it? If you didn't mean to come across as someone who wants instant gratification, just man up and say that you didn't mean to come across that way, or that you ment to say something else with your original post. Don't dodge, get defensive about it all and call the rest of us bullies...

 

[popps]

But that's not your original question. Your original post states that you completed a quest which you spend, in your eyes, a considerable ammount of time on, which didn't offer a, again in your eyes, suitable reward...

Well, 15 Dungeness Crabs,15 Blue Crabs, 10 Rock Crabs, 15 Tarpon, 15 Yellofin Tuna and 20 Green Catfish took quite a bit to gather and I never thought they would have brought me the same bait type reward which a 10/15 single type order can bring...

Sure, 60 charges are not the regular 30 something I see but bait charges are not a guaranteed catch, only an increased chance.

Anyways, I felt that large order, I mean orders of that magnitude, were sort of "locked" in the type of reward they can bring (moreless like it happens for Blacksmithy and Tailoring Bulk Order Deeds) and not be so much subject to the nastiness of the RNG.

Now I know I thought wrong, but the discovery was not a funny one.

You could have started out a little more humble and ask the devs if they need to iron out some flaws, of if it's working as intended.

Actually, the title of the thread does have a question mark.... Perhaps I should have put 2 question marks to make it more that sort of a "question" you are talking about ??

Anyway, you say you don't want instant gratification, but let's be honest here. If you reread what you've stated in your first post, and what you're stating right now in your last post, can you really blame people for calling you out on it? If you didn't mean to come across as someone who wants instant gratification, just man up and say that you didn't mean to come across that way, or that you ment to say something else with your original post. Don't dodge, get defensive about it all and call the rest of us bullies...

I think we perhaps have a different opinion on what "instant" might be.

Personally, working on a large fishing order that takes me hours upon hours to complete is not exactly "instant".......

Besides, I was not saying that 60 points 6-parts large order should have brought in a 120 PS but merely a 105, hardly what I could consider an "instant" gratification......

 

[hawkeye_pike]

I admit, my post was borderline trolling. I apologize. I just couldn't resist to hold a mirror up to someone who was once so dedicated about explaining to us that some game content was meant to be difficult, and lectured us about how bad "instant gratification" was.

Popps is passionate about UO, which is a good thing. Maybe too passionate sometimes. I don't want to discourage her. Sorry again.

 

[Umfufu]

That was very nice of you.

I must say looking at Imbuing ... to get this 120 scroll considering the "worth" of this skill they almost made rediciously easy.
On the other hand as it looks now ... again, we have not all information yet ... but as it looks now ...
For the "worth" of this skill they made it hard.

Now the "worth" is ofcourse in the eye of the beholder ... but I myself see it as above.

 

[Gowron]

OK, now it's out. Popps is tired of the grind and wants his cookies now! He's been pancakes about getting his cookies for so long that now he doesn't know if he wants chocolate chip or peanut butter.

This thread has gotten lame. Everyone knows that the rewards are random. If you're getting disenchanted, you have two viable choices:
1. Move on to something else. You are obviously not having fun.
2. Quit your bitchin'.

Out of all the drivel on this thread, I only saw one discussion point that actually had merit. The rest is just mindless pancakes. If you feel insulted, it's not because I have insulted you, it's because the truth rings solid in your ear and it hurts.

 

[Petra Fyde]

I think it's time to call a halt to this one.