Still no macros on the numberpad on 2d?

[Mervyn]

Why can you still not save uo macros on the numberpad? you can record a macro and it will work fine until you log in and out again, it's taking up a lot of my uoassist macros, my friends don't have this problem as the non legal equivalent to uoassist does not limit you to 16 macros.

Regards Mervyn

P.S i know you can record macros on enhanced client on the numberpad fine but i play as a mage and enhanced client does not support mages.

 

[Saris]

I have no problem saving them in uo to my number pad, just make sure you number pad is in the same state IE. num lock is on or off when you use them, also you must clear out UOs macro that make use of the arrow function of the number pad if you use the number pad off state.

 

[Tazar]

Why can you still not save uo macros on the numberpad? you can record a macro and it will work fine until you log in and out again, it's taking up a lot of my uoassist macros, my friends don't have this problem as the non legal equivalent to uoassist does not limit you to 16 macros.

Regards Mervyn

P.S i know you can record macros on enhanced client on the numberpad fine but i play as a mage and enhanced client does not support mages.

Other than the Num-lock issue Saris mentioned - I have no idea about the number-pad issue.

But I have to say - your statement about the EC not supporting mages really made me laugh. EC is exceptionally well tuned for mages! I can do oh, so much more now than I ever could with 2D or 3D - and do it faster!

 

[TheGhostRaider]

UO have already a few macro under the keypad/arrow. it for you boat command. ensure that you erase them before making new one. Fo far I have macro all over my KB for UO and UOA. It wil be nice to hve more few key on my KB.

 

[TheMac]

UO have already a few macro under the keypad/arrow. it for you boat command. ensure that you erase them before making new one. Fo far I have macro all over my KB for UO and UOA. It wil be nice to hve more few key on my KB.

You have more then 86 Macros! thats not even counting the alt, ctrl, and alt ctrl combos. thats alot of friggin macros!

 

[Tazar]

You have more then 86 Macros! thats not even counting the alt, ctrl, and alt ctrl combos. thats alot of friggin macros!

And even with that, I still use a Logitech G-15 keyboard with an extra 18 macro-keys (56 with toggle switch) and a Logitech G-13 (even more macro-keys). Not sure you can ever have enough.

 

[Fink]

But I have to say - your statement about the EC not supporting mages really made me laugh. EC is exceptionally well tuned for mages! I can do oh, so much more now than I ever could with 2D or 3D - and do it faster!

I never really enjoyed playing mages until using EC. I just considered it too much of a hassle. I suppose some would say that's the test of a true mage, but it felt like using a typing tutor.

As for the numpad in CC I had two sets of macros for it, toggled by the numlock. Check that there aren't any macros in the list ahead of the ones you're trying to save that have the same key bindings.

 

[Winker]

Why can you still not save uo macros on the numberpad? you can record a macro and it will work fine until you log in and out again, it's taking up a lot of my uoassist macros, my friends don't have this problem as the non legal equivalent to uoassist does not limit you to 16 macros.

Regards Mervyn

P.S i know you can record macros on enhanced client on the numberpad fine but i play as a mage and enhanced client does not support mages.

You can!

Change the file in your UO directory called Keynames.txt. It is set up for American Keyboards and needs to be set up for UK keyboards.
If you look in that file you will see it has set your numeric keypad to:

num 1
num 2
num 3

It needs to be:

NUM 1
NUM 2
NUM 3

Best way to see what keys are being renamed to is to record them in UO and before you shut UO down copy your macro file else where so it does not get over written and look in side this file to see what they keys have been renamed to and just copy the new names into the Keynames.txt file, over writing the old keyname.

 

[Petra Fyde]

for future reference, this is documented on uo.stratics.com here: http://uo.stratics.com/content/guides/macro.shtml#4

 

[Mervyn]

ok the solution was to rename the keynames.txt file and capitalise the nums

 

[Winker]

ok the solution was to rename the keynames.txt file and capitalise the nums

I will take that as a thanks then...rolleyes:

 

[Mervyn]

A thankyou from the mervynator is rare, however winker, i shall doth my cap.

 

[Llewen]

But I have to say - your statement about the EC not supporting mages really made me laugh. EC is exceptionally well tuned for mages! I can do oh, so much more now than I ever could with 2D or 3D - and do it faster!

Yes, yep, and absolutely! to this. The way EC macros work is perfect for mages. You can put a spell with current target or target self on a key with a fast repeat and just hold it down. You can't do that even with UOA.

You have more then 86 Macros! thats not even counting the alt, ctrl, and alt ctrl combos. thats alot of friggin macros!

And even with that, I still use a Logitech G-15 keyboard with an extra 18 macro-keys (56 with toggle switch) and a Logitech G-13 (even more macro-keys). Not sure you can ever have enough.

I exactly the same set up and it rocks! If you use the thumb joystick for movement it allows you to use your mouse to interact with your desktop while you move around. You can't beat it.

 

[Mervyn]

The slower spell casting and cast recovery time is no good for pvp purposes, neither is automated self healing, you need full control of when and who'm you'll be healing, the enhanced client does not provide a range check for the last target so all spells are declared null and void for pvp on EC.

However winker has solved my problem on the CC, end of discussion i feel.

 

[Llewen]

The slower spell casting and cast recovery time is no good for pvp purposes, neither is automated self healing, you need full control of when and who'm you'll be healing, the enhanced client does not provide a range check for the last target so all spells are declared null and void for pvp on EC.

However winker has solved my problem on the CC, end of discussion i feel.

Have you ever actually tried the EC? There is no "slower spell casting and cast recovery time". It's true that you have to watch your spell ranges, but I don't find that to be much of an issue. There are so many other advantages to the EC that they more than make up for that minor inconvenience.

In fact I'm going to post about that right now. That's something that can probably be changed.

 

[Mervyn]

Ofcourse i've tried it, and i love it (except for pvp with a mage). The EC does have longer FC and FCR, True story.

 

[Llewen]

The EC does have longer FC and FCR, True story.

The only way the EC has longer FC and FCR is if you are using a cheat with the CC that lowers your FC and FCR. I only mention that because I've heard such a thing exists...

 

[Mervyn]

Do you even pvp as a mage? If you did and you competed on such a high level as myself, you would not only notice the difference, but could demonstrate it in spell combos, i'd be glad to show you.

 

[Llewen]

Do you even pvp as a mage? If you did and you competed on such a high level as myself, you would not only notice the difference, but could demonstrate it in spell combos, i'd be glad to show you.

Utter and complete nonsense. As I said, the only way you cast spells faster in the CC is if you are using a cheat that breaks the 6/2 caps. And in fact, because there are things I can do with the EC that I can't do with the CC, I cast faster on the EC than I do with the CC, but not because one is inherently faster than the other.

 

[Mervyn]

if EC was equally as fast for casting spells, why would i not use it? same with everyone who PVPs as a mage, with the EC you can clearly run faster than on CC which gives you a huge advantage for pvp, it's just overshadowed by the slower spellcasting.

 

[Llewen]

if EC was equally as fast for casting spells, why would i not use it? same with everyone who PVPs as a mage, with the EC you can clearly run faster than on CC which gives you a huge advantage for pvp, it's just overshadowed by the slower spellcasting.

Two reasons:

1. Familiarity.
2. The cheats that so many are addicted to don't work with the EC.

And allow me to clear up another misconception that you have. You don't move faster in the EC, you move "better". Your top speed is the same as it is in the CC, but you have auto evade in any direction, and the EC is less affected by lag and latency.

Personally with movement I have another advantage with the EC. I use a thumb joystick to move, something you can't do with the CC. This means I accelerate faster than players using mouse controlled movement typically do, and I can change direction faster as well.

 

[Mervyn]

Personally, i don't cheat, and i use the EC for all other functions except pvp on a mage. I agree that the EC has automatic path finding in any direction, however the top speed is still faster than CC, this can be tested in areas with no objects to maneuver around like the lost lands.

It really is just the slower casting and cast recovery times on EC (and lack of range check) that prevents me using it for pvp on a mage, for dexxers it's brillo.

 

[Llewen]

Personally, i don't cheat, and i use the EC for all other functions except pvp on a mage. I agree that the EC has automatic path finding in any direction, however the top speed is still faster than CC, this can be tested in areas with no objects to maneuver around like the lost lands.

It really is just the slower casting and cast recovery times on EC (and lack of range check) that prevents me using it for pvp on a mage, for dexxers it's brillo.

Both of your so called "facts" are completely out to lunch. I've run many times with all kinds of different players in a straight line with no obstacles on the EC and I don't run any faster than anyone playing the EC. I get away from them when we move into trees, or other rough terrain, and when I turn faster than they do, and when they lag.

And no matter what you may think, you do not cast faster with the CC anymore than the EC allows you to run faster than someone using the CC. You may think you cast faster because you are used to the mechanics of the CC together with UOA, but I absolutely guarantee you the spells don't cast any faster, and you don't recover any faster with the CC.

Now the range thing, that is a legitimate complaint and a bunch of us have put in a request that the EC change the way it handles targets that are out of range.

 

[Llewen]

It really is just the slower casting and cast recovery times on EC (and lack of range check) that prevents me using it for pvp on a mage, for dexxers it's brillo.

And no matter what you may think, you do not cast faster with the CC anymore than the EC allows you to run faster than someone using the CC. You may think you cast faster because you are used to the mechanics of the CC together with UOA, but I absolutely guarantee you the spells don't cast any faster, and you don't recover any faster with the CC.

Well this is me eating crow. Mervyn isn't right about the EC allowing you to run faster, but he may well be right about the slower casting. I was fooling around with a friend tonight and when he was chain casting lightning, I couldn't cast greater heal, but when I was chain casting lightning, he could cast greater heal. And I was casting lightning about as fast as it is humanly possible to cast it with the EC. So unless he was using some kind of cheat, something is definitely up.

 

[Winker]

Well this is me eating crow. Mervyn isn't right about the EC allowing you to run faster, but he may well be right about the slower casting. I was fooling around with a friend tonight and when he was chain casting lightning, I couldn't cast greater heal, but when I was chain casting lightning, he could cast greater heal. And I was casting lightning about as fast as it is humanly possible to cast it with the EC. So unless he was using some kind of cheat, something is definitely up.

CC + UOAssist, cast your chosen spell and use queue self/last target, its much faster than trying to wait untill you see the cursor and its a tad faster than the EC can cast

 

[Llewen]

CC + UOAssist, cast your chosen spell and use queue self/last target, its much faster than trying to wait untill you see the cursor and its a tad faster than the EC can cast

Ya, I was using current target with the spell so there should be 0 delay for targeting and it was still slow.

 

[Llewen]

Well this is me eating crow. Mervyn isn't right about the EC allowing you to run faster, but he may well be right about the slower casting. I was fooling around with a friend tonight and when he was chain casting lightning, I couldn't cast greater heal, but when I was chain casting lightning, he could cast greater heal. And I was casting lightning about as fast as it is humanly possible to cast it with the EC. So unless he was using some kind of cheat, something is definitely up.

Just to add to this. I found out the slower casting wasn't a problem with the EC, it was a problem with the way I was using it. My mistake was resulting in cast times that were almost twice as slow as they should have been for certain spells. So I'm back to where I was before, cast times aren't any slower with the EC.

 

[Petra Fyde]

On the assumption that others may be making the same mistake, most notably, Mervyn, would you be prepared to go into more detail as to what that mistake was?

 

[Llewen]

On the assumption that others may be making the same mistake, most notably, Mervyn, would you be prepared to go into more detail as to what that mistake was?

I doubt anyone else plays the game the way I do, but I'll explain myself anyway. I have my bigger spells bound to keys on my G13, but my small spells I have on my desktop as icons, and I can use them effectively because I use the thumb joystick on my G13 to control my movement.

I thought that I could set the target to current or self on those icons and click like mad on them, and they would cast as fast as they possibly could, and it seemed to work. What I didn't realize though was that for every time they cast properly, they were, for some inexplicable reason, being interrupted only once.

I don't know why this happens, I would have though if clicking like mad would interrupt the casting, it would do it every time, not just once, but that is what was happening. As a result my spells were taking almost twice as long to cast as they should have.

So now I have discovered that I have to do what any good pvp mage does, and time my spells. It takes a lot more discipline and skill, and it is going to be a while before I get good at it, but I have already noticed a huge improvement in my ability to pvp as a mage.

In a way it's one of those "Well duh!" things that makes me feel a bit stupid, and it's a wonder I was able to do as well as I was with the way I was handicapping myself...

However it doesn't meant that the last year pvp'ing has been lost for me, I'm a bit of a slow learner, and there has been a lot for me to learn. Three years ago I used to pvp primarily as a tamer, with the magery half of my template only supplying support for myself and my pets, who were the primary damage dealers, and I did quite well that way, but I did always have it as a goal of mine to learn to pvp as a mage as well as a tamer.

However, when I came back a year ago imbuing changed everything, and it was no longer possible to pvp solely as a tamer with the magery playing only a supporting role, and still be successful. So the past year I have been learning to play as a mage as well as a tamer. The "click like mad" method of casting spells allowed me to concentrate on other things, such as learning how to play with the EC and my G13, which was also new to me, without having to worrying about spell timing. Well now I've learnt those other things and learning how to time my spells isn't going to be as big a challenge as it would have been a year ago with all the other new things I had to learn.

 

[Mervyn]

I am a pro mage player and have all spell macros assigned to keys, i have every single spell set to target cursor(which you need if you're a pro) (although i've used the legacy targeting system too) and i can confirm and others too that there is a casting issue on the E.C

The actual problem is not slower spell casting
The speeds of casting each spell is the same, on the E.C you must have a small delay after doing last target before casting another spell or the spell will simply not cast.

If you can't notice the difference then you're not a great mage or don't have a low ping.

This is not true for classic client so in effect, classic client allows for faster casting.

 

[Tazar]

(although i've used the legacy targeting system too)

And there's your problem...

Use the EC as it was intended rather than trying to force it to work hand-in-hand with an outdated system and you will find that it works great.

 

[Mervyn]

I use the new targeting system, i mentioned i tried the legacy targeting system just to say that the casting issue is not to do with the new targeting system

Besides, you need the new targeting system for the lucitus special mobile targeting to work and also for mount horse macro to work.

 

[Llewen]

The actual problem is not slower spell casting
The speeds of casting each spell is the same, on the E.C you must have a small delay after doing last target before casting another spell or the spell will simply not cast.

I don't use last target, I use current target. That means I cast with no targeting delay whatsoever. But you are right, I'm not a great mage, although I'm learning and getting better.

But as far as I am concerned trying to use the same system for casting with the EC that you use with the CC is pointless, there are other ways to do the same thing that are just as fast, or faster because they eliminate a step. I don't cast then target, I don't even need to do it with a two step macro, I just cast.

 

[Mervyn]

I don't use last target, I use current target. That means I cast with no targeting delay whatsoever. But you are right, I'm not a great mage, although I'm learning and getting better.

But as far as I am concerned trying to use the same system for casting with the EC that you use with the CC is pointless, there are other ways to do the same thing that are just as fast, or faster because they eliminate a step. I don't cast then target, I don't even need to do it with a two step macro, I just cast.

You're right, you don't have to use target current, if you're doing pvm or if you're a tamer or something, but for a pro mage who needs to time all spells correctly you need target cursor.

 

[Llewen]

You're right, you don't have to use target current, if you're doing pvm or if you're a tamer or something, but for a pro mage who needs to time all spells correctly you need target cursor.

No you don't. When you use target current or target self the spell targets instantly with absolutely no delay. You'd be stupid not to use it. The real issue here is you are used to playing one way, and can't wrap your head around the fact that there might well be a better way of doing it.

 

[Mervyn]

No you don't. When you use target current or target self the spell targets instantly with absolutely no delay. You'd be stupid not to use it. The real issue here is you are used to playing one way, and can't wrap your head around the fact that there might well be a better way of doing it.

Duel me, i will play with target cursor, you play with auto targeting.

I will win.

 

[Llewen]

Duel me, i will play with target cursor, you play with auto targeting.

I will win.

Give me a month or two and I just might be able to make you eat your words...

 

[Mervyn]

i'll let you know something before you make a complete ass of yourself, you can't win a mage duel with auto targeting on unless the person you're dueling is equally ******** and uses auto targeting.

 

[Llewen]

i'll let you know something before you make a complete ass of yourself, you can't win a mage duel with auto targeting on unless the person you're dueling is equally ******** and uses auto targeting.

Guess we'll see. It's working for me so far. Are we talking about the same thing? You can set what anything targets in the EC. One option is "current" and another is "self". As far as I can see there is no way you could target faster using the cursor because it targets with no delay after the spell is cast. But who knows, maybe I'm wrong, wouldn't be the first time...

 

[Mervyn]

Llewen, do me a favour and stop replying to my comments, no using the cursor then last target is not as fast as having the E.C target yourself or last target automatically, i'm not even going to bother explaining why you need mage spells on target cursor as there are so many reasons and it's so obvious, i'll just wait for R.C or any other pvper to read your ridiculous comments and flame you, you're not worth the stratics infraction points.

I haven't actually tested to see if the casting issue is still true with the target self or target current system, either way, it's a moot point.

 

[Llewen]

Llewen, do me a favour and stop replying to my comments, no using the cursor then last target is not as fast as having the E.C target yourself or last target automatically, i'm not even going to bother explaining why you need mage spells on target cursor as there are so many reasons and it's so obvious...

I'm no longer sure what you are saying. Are you being sarcastic, or are you agreeing with me that current target and self are faster than using a target cursor? If you truly are agreeing with me then we have a place to start.

Some spells I have on current target, some I have on self target, and some I have on cursor, it depends on what they are, and what I use them for. My guess is that most of the spells you use last target with most of the time I have on current target, and selecting a target is as simple for me as clicking on their health bar in my mobiles display, which I can do very quickly and easily any time because I don't use my mouse to control my movement, I use the thumb joystick on my G13, which frees up my mouse to interact with my desktop, which has all kinds of advantages.

Like I said, give me a month or so, then we can go have a proper duel on TC if you like. You might be in for a bit of a surprise...

 

[MalagAste]

2d is so inferior.... you should put away the old ways and come up to the new.

 

[Mervyn]

omg!!!!!

YES the current target and self are faster than target cursor, but if you fail to realise what advantages target cursor give, there's no working with you.

A serious mage will have absolutely every single spell on target cursor, i'll spell it out to you again, you cannot beat a real mage if you're using target self/current for your spells, try dueling someone even semi competent.

 

[Mervyn]

2d is so inferior.... you should put away the old ways and come up to the new.

the top pvpers use 2d because of the casting benefits,

I'll be honest, if it werent for the slower casting, lack of range check, lack of ability to change your spell casting colour to your opponent, lack of ability to disarm shield with a spell pre casted, and broken 'last spell'

I would use E.C, i love the lucitus targeting system.

 

[Llewen]

YES the current target and self are faster than target cursor, but if you fail to realise what advantages target cursor give, there's no working with you.

A serious mage will have absolutely every single spell on target cursor, i'll spell it out to you again, you cannot beat a real mage if you're using target self/current for your spells, try dueling someone even semi competent.

And I think that is your opinion, and there is more than one way to successfully play a mage. I'm guessing you are very good at playing a mage a certain way, and you think that's the only way that works as a result. I've made a huge advance as a mage in the past couple of days, but I'm still pretty mediocre. Give me a month or two to learn to play the new way I am playing, I might be able to show you that there is more than one way to successfully play a mage...

I'll be honest, if it werent for the slower casting, lack of range check, lack of ability to change your spell casting colour to your opponent, lack of ability to disarm shield with a spell pre casted, and broken 'last spell'

I would use E.C, i love the lucitus targeting system.

You are right the lack of a range check is a big issue, one I'm hoping will be fixed. Lucitus' targeting system almost makes up for that, but not quite...

 

[Mervyn]

And I think that is your opinion, and there is more than one way to successfully play a mage. I'm guessing you are very good at playing a mage a certain way, and you think that's the only way that works as a result. I've made a huge advance as a mage in the past couple of days, but I'm still pretty mediocre. Give me a month or two to learn to play the new way I am playing, I might be able to show you that there is more than one way to successfully play a mage...



You are right the lack of a range check is a big issue, one I'm hoping will be fixed. Lucitus' targeting system almost makes up for that, but not quite...

you won't