navery

[[JD]]

gave navery a shot and did well til i got webbed or para/frozen... how do you fight while you're webbed? it didn't seem to let me attack.. do i need to trap box, apple, or just double click navery again (last attacker)?

 

[Macrophage]

gave navery a shot and did well til i got webbed or para/frozen... how do you fight while you're webbed? it didn't seem to let me attack.. do i need to trap box, apple, or just double click navery again (last attacker)?

There is a quest that gives you a item to prevent that. I personnally gave up because that quest is a grind. Besides that I think your best bet are pots (including maybe invis pot). You could also use a HLA weapon and be about ok for the duration of the web.

 

[funkymonkey]

Really? what quest is that?

 

[Yen Sid]

There is a quest that gives you a item to prevent that.

You get one and it only works once. Not worth the time. Just go with HLA over a slayer. I have done Navrey a few times on my Sampire using an Ornate Axe/Rune Blades (depending on if she hits me down while webbed) with HML, HSL, HLA, SSI, DI.

 

[Lord GOD(GOD)]

Aside from the Acid Popper Navrey is another one where Mirror Images are a good option.

 

[[JD]]

Ok ill see if I can craft a specialized daisho for navery. Invis pots while webbed make sense too. But would they work? I tried using an apple while webbed on my mystmage and it said the web prevents me, or something to that effect. So not sure you can actually pot while webbed....

Ok thanks LG, I am gonna have to work up Ninjitsu it seems!! Who would you actually recommend Bush for?!

 

[[JD]]

How important would HLA be for a spider slayer fire daisho?

I actually cranked out an either 80 or 100% fire daisho the other day, but it had some unwanted mod on it. So instead of being able to have: hml, hsl, slayer, di, HLA, I will lose the HLA to the last unwanted mod.

The 'unwanted' mod is either life leech or hit magic arrow. I think I can overwrite that with hit fireball...so its not a horrible one... just not as nice as HLA

So far, getting good elemental daishos has been a pain in the booty.

Thanks

 

[Thunderz]

If i had to drop one mod it would be slayer, as its easy as a sampire to overight the bonus and hit max di anyway.

Thunderz

 

[[JD]]

Hey Thunderz, i got this 100 fire daisho but its got life leech on it. i should have enough ssi/sta on my suit to swing at cap without imbuing ssi, but i do need DI on it.

i wanted HLA but dont think it will fit.

hml, hsl, di, spider slayer, hit life leech...

that worth the 10 white pearls for the spider slayer?
or do i absolutely need HLA?

how would i get 300% dmg if I didn't imbue the slayer?

100 DI
50 EOO
100 Honor/perfection
?

thanks bud. you're the weaponmaster

 

[Thunderz]

Hey Thunderz, i got this 100 fire daisho but its got life leech on it. i should have enough ssi/sta on my suit to swing at cap without imbuing ssi, but i do need DI on it.

i wanted HLA but dont think it will fit.

hml, hsl, di, spider slayer, hit life leech...

that worth the 10 white pearls for the spider slayer?
or do i absolutely need HLA?

how would i get 300% dmg if I didn't imbue the slayer?

100 DI
50 EOO
100 Honor/perfection
?

thanks bud. you're the weaponmaster

Aye 100DI + EoO + perfection puts your at 300% So slayers are usless unless your fighting a mob that dies before perfection kicks in; like balrons

Thunderz

 

[[JD]]

Or fighting multiple mobs you just dont have time to honor each one cause so many coming. So EOO is 100% dmg, not just 50%?

Lastly, I'm not using my nice 100 fire + life leech daisho for this. Doing a test run with a mostly fire elemental, hml, hsl, hla, DI... what should last mod be?

Theoretically this weap will be for either mephitis or navery

 

[[JD]]

I did it... I killed Navery about 4-5x last night.

Didn't get any Tangle or anything other than a Spider Carapace or Ichor, though. Someone mentioned using the rocks might be bad. I used the rocks 2-3x in each fight (took me a while to kill him).

Here's how I went in there.

120 sword
90+15 tac (15 on ring)
111 Bush (Wasn't using slayer so I wanted EOO and perfection)
94 Ninja (Stoned off Anat for ninja from another character)
99 Nec
87 SS (Haven't finished training)
71 Chiv

Weapon: Elemental 30 phys, 40 fire, rest in energy/cold, hml, hsl, hla, di, Daisho. (test weapon, wasn't fully finished)

Whenever I get frozen/webbed, is when I get in trouble. I quickly learned that one of two things happens. Either he melees you down to a 10% sliver of life, or he poisons you and leaves you at 1/3 life.

If I was meleed to a sliver, I run offscreen and use divine aura for sta and cleanse wounds to heal up. I'd run outside to beat on wolf spiders to get hp back but it's not worth the risk when I can more safely cleanse wounds. Navery is SLOW

If I get poisoned and left at 1/3 hp, I offscreen and use cleanse by fire (chiv cure). Sometimes it takes multiple casts. My Karma is going down from the necro spells the entire fight, not sure if this has any effect.

So I tried 2 ways to fight.

First I tried LG's ninja/whammy mode. I assume he wanted me to be a whammy as you can't be on a swamp dragon and summon mirror images. This did OK, but when it came to the 'getting in trouble' part, I wasn't able to offscreen effectively and I croaked. I did get going for a minute or two using this method and it was working really well. Probably just a timing issue.

Next I tried the sampire+swampy method. I did much better and this is how I killed him for the most part. I would have been more effective with anat using this method. I tried Deathstrike but it didn't seem to do much so I mostly used LS, Feint, and sometimes a double strike.

I was relying on EOO, perfection, and chivalry a lot for consecrate. I would curse weap sometimes.

It took forever to kill him. I finally started just jousting. He seems to freeze you in place less if you joust him.

I think I was also having mana issues and need a larger pool (have around 40 now and 35 LMC). Of course if I actually get the tangle that will help it a lot. I can play with my stat distribution as well, I'm just not looking forward to my hp dropping. ;/

 

[Macrophage]

Aye 100DI + EoO + perfection puts your at 300% So slayers are usless unless your fighting a mob that dies before perfection kicks in; like balrons

Thunderz

Interesting point of view... According to Stupid Miner DI insnt involved in the 300% cap but rather taken into consideration beforehand. So 100 DI + 300% slayer bonus should give you an additional damage of "your weapon damage" * 3 ie around 45, I guess. (before resist).

 

[Lord GOD(GOD)]

I run offscreen and use divine aura for sta and cleanse wounds to heal up.

Probably easier to use Confidence.

If I get poisoned and left at 1/3 hp, I offscreen and use cleanse by fire (chiv cure). Sometimes it takes multiple casts. My Karma is going down from the necro spells the entire fight, not sure if this has any effect.

If you're using the Primer it can also instantly Cure you in an emergency so worth macroing. (30 minute recharge though)

First I tried LG's ninja/whammy mode. I assume he wanted me to be a whammy as you can't be on a swamp dragon and summon mirror images. This did OK, but when it came to the 'getting in trouble' part, I wasn't able to offscreen effectively and I croaked. I did get going for a minute or two using this method and it was working really well. Probably just a timing issue.

Not necessarily, you can still be in Vamp Form on foot, you can also summon Images then remount. With only 94 Ninjitsu it would only give 64% chance too compared to 90% at 120, glad you gave it a try though, hope you saw the potential.

I tried Deathstrike but it didn't seem to do much

Yeah DS won't do any good in PvM and its scaled on Hiding & Stealth anyway.

 

[Thunderz]

Interesting point of view... According to Stupid Miner DI insnt involved in the 300% cap but rather taken into consideration beforehand. So 100 DI + 300% slayer bonus should give you an additional damage of "your weapon damage" * 3 ie around 45, I guess. (before resist).

The 100 isnt involved in the calculations, its taken into account first as in "base DI" i.e. if you have 100 on your suite * 50 = 150 * 100 = 300%.

So if you only had 10 on your suite you would have DI of 30%..

Thunderz

 

[Thunderz]

Or fighting multiple mobs you just dont have time to honor each one cause so many coming. So EOO is 100% dmg, not just 50%?

Lastly, I'm not using my nice 100 fire + life leech daisho for this. Doing a test run with a mostly fire elemental, hml, hsl, hla, DI... what should last mod be?

Theoretically this weap will be for either mephitis or navery

No EoO is 50%.

100DI on suite is you base di * 50% from EoO = 150% * 100% from perfection = 300%

Gratz on the kills

I find it waaayyy easier on my sampire archer as by the time she gets to you your free of the web


Thunderz

 

[Klapauc]

Found a non necro warrior works very well there,for the simple reason that you can use greater cure pots while webbed.
Template that does excellent there is
120 fencing
120 anat
120 healing
120 ninjitsu
90 tactics
60 bushido
70 chiv or 90 resist

30 hci/dci are enough for this,but you may want 1 fc 2-3 fcr to spam enough images, 40 lmc helps alot.
As long as nobody does ae spells you cannot die and as a bonus navrey is happy to teleport and web your mirror images instead of you.
So you could probably soulstone off necro and ss and get healing and anat.
To help with healing,use cat/dog or unicorn.Switch to wolf/bake when the pillars are ready and use them.

Weapon is a bronze leafblade with 20ssi, hml,hsl,hll, spider slayer.

 

[Old Man of UO]

I did it... I killed Navery about 4-5x last night. ... Someone mentioned using the rocks might be bad. I used the rocks 2-3x in each fight (took me a while to kill him).

Can someone explain how to use the rocks? I read that there is a timer on the pillars, but I don't see those in the EC client. Am I looking in the wrong spot?

 

[Yen Sid]

Can someone explain how to use the rocks? I read that there is a timer on the pillars, but I don't see those in the EC client. Am I looking in the wrong spot?

The part of the pillars that you click flash faster and faster until they go solid, when solid, time is up, you just gotta find the one that lasts the longest, then the next longest and then the shortest, can only do it if mounted.

 

[[JD]]

this was wrong - they randomly switch or something
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[[JD]]

well i imbued my 100% fire daisho. it came with DI and Hit Life Leech so I was stuck with those. Ended up with 60 HML, 60 HLL, 44 HSL, 45 DI. Left 5th mod open.

I also stoned anat back onto my template. I pretty much spanked Navery this time.

So, what should I put as the 5th mod? I didn't need HLA. I didn't need a slayer. Should I go HLA anyway "just in case", or go like Hit Fireball?

This will be a Navery/Mephitis Daisho. Or any other fire vuln critter

edit: Confidence worked like a charm. Thakns LG. Gonna have to figure out how/where I can use ninja

 

[Myna]

i always read use this and that while being webbed.

either you never fought navery or i am doing something wrong.

i canot use anything while being webbed ... not a pot not an apple not anything, all i can is talking and waiting for unfreeze

 

[Macrophage]

i always read use this and that while being webbed.

either you never fought navery or i am doing something wrong.

i canot use anything while being webbed ... not a pot not an apple not anything, all i can is talking and waiting for unfreeze

Well I ve double checked today and I can. Though invis pot can be interrupted, but other pot types are fine. Are you using 2 handed? you cannot pot while holding 2 handed. I use a macro equiplastweapon to switch to one handed and pot.

I used that template :
120 sword
120 tac
120 bush
120 parry
100 anat
80 chiv
40 necro/ss

weapon : bronze daisho: 40 DI 50 HLA 15 HCI (30 on suit, and I tend to miss a lot on that mofo with only 30) 44 HSL 57 HML.
DCI 45, resists max. FC 2/4 nothing else special [edit : forgot to mention also use mace and shields] (was on swampy but armor broke quite quickly starting fight with 3400 durability). Use of consecrate didnt add much damage.

Honor and EOO, probably best to open with evade. Then feint and hit lightning. Mana pool 65 did OK. I used pots agility and str and ran a few times and drank Greater Cure and used confidence (though I could probably stand toe to toe didnt want to take risk). Rather slow fight. Upping necro for 100% corpse and using 100% fire would make it much faster. I tested: 100+ damage with feint with consecrus arma and the mofo under corpse skin. Had just enough regs to test it though. Could be interesting going there with corpse skin regs in case someone is there and you cannot honor. Overall I d say it was easy, easier than dreadhorn, even though it s slow ( a lot of HP).

 

[Macrophage]

Ok I did it once more tonight and I learnt a bit more about that monster.

Keeping strength high is important. Need to bring a stock of str pot and apples ( 30 str and around 20 apples). Dex also important to a lower degree.

Also it was actually much easier to do that on wammy than on swampy, because actually leeching mana prevents it to cast a lot of you, particularly when you run it s usually out of mana and cannot interrupt your confidence.

Took me around 30 minutes to drop it to 50%, then 3 people came. (same template and items as above).

 

[[JD]]

ok so i finally imbued my 100% fire dmg daisho with:
60 hml
44 hsl
60 hll (this property was on it at runic creation time, was stuck with it)
45 di
44 HLA

running feint and hla on navery works pretty well and i can completely stand toe to toe with him running eoo/perfection. crits can be as high as 150 with ls..

but he still freezes me and then its basically a gamble if i'm going to get unwebbed in time to run off and use confidence. i'd expect there's nothing i could do except have mirror images or SUPER high hp to live through it - is that correct?

i could stone off bush for ninja images, but then i'd need to recraft a spider slayer weapon since I wouldn't have perfection. or I could stone off anat for ninja, but then I'd just do lower dmg. that might be the easier of the two...

hp wise, not really a whole lot I can do without redoing my entire suit - something i don't want to do right this moment. or maybe pop some str potions, but i dont think you get much hp.

lastly now that i can kill navery (though sometimes i need to res...) what peerless/champ should i go for next?

ty

 

[Yen Sid]

Dreadhorn is a good start. That was my first peerless as a Sampire. Pretty easy.

 

[Thunderz]

Now you'v got your shiney new daisho's go for proxy as they will work great against him.
You'll need an energy pair for putrifier.

Spam curse wepon and feint and both are pretty easy to kill.

Thunderz

 

[Yen Sid]

Now you'v got your shiney new daisho's go for proxy as they will work great against him.
You'll need an energy pair for putrifier.

Spam curse wepon and feint and both are pretty easy to kill.

Thunderz

Faint for Paroxy? pff, he is a cake walk without it lol. I just used rune blades while poisoned cause my stam was always under 180 :\ but when not poisoned kicked it into high gear with my ornate . I used anat instead of ss as well so no curse wep. Putrifier I didn't even try, not after the horror stories i have heard rofl.

 

[Thunderz]

Faint for Paroxy? pff, he is a cake walk without it lol. I just used rune blades while poisoned cause my stam was always under 180 :\ but when not poisoned kicked it into high gear with my ornate . I used anat instead of ss as well so no curse wep. Putrifier I didn't even try, not after the horror stories i have heard rofl.

I dont use them for him either, but if he's not done it before it might help him stay alive while he gets the hang of it.

Thunderz

 

[[JD]]

btw it is confirmed, if you switch to a 1h weapon you can chug an invis pot while webbed. you just might get interrupted by melee, poison, nuke, etc...

seems half the time i can do the invis trick until im free.

80% of the time i live through the webbing anyway , but its the 20% which is really, really annoying! lol

how many times avg do you have to kill navery before you get the tangle drop? ive done him 10-15x now, only got a 3.0 hiding sot.

im using the boulders though... 2-3x per fight.

i noticed that the boulders seem to be "public" or "environmental" damage. so if i use boulders, i have to wait for corpse to go public to see everything on his corpse (including the stuff he loots from me if i died!)

 

[Macrophage]

btw it is confirmed, if you switch to a 1h weapon you can chug an invis pot while webbed. you just might get interrupted by melee, poison, nuke, etc...

seems half the time i can do the invis trick until im free.

80% of the time i live through the webbing anyway , but its the 20% which is really, really annoying! lol

how many times avg do you have to kill navery before you get the tangle drop? ive done him 10-15x now, only got a 3.0 hiding sot.

im using the boulders though... 2-3x per fight.

i noticed that the boulders seem to be "public" or "environmental" damage. so if i use boulders, i have to wait for corpse to go public to see everything on his corpse (including the stuff he loots from me if i died!)

Keeping HP at 140 with the use of str pot I don t die while webbed. I usually don t switch to one handed ( makes lose 10% defense chance, so I only use at the beginning of a web if I need fast repot while I m still covered by HLA and feint) and keep feint up and have HLA on Daisho so for a few seconds it cannot hit me at all. I find that encounter much faster with non melee templates though.

 

[NickyDishes]

i beat him every single time solo with the basic sampire set up.....the trick is to use feint, but its hard to have it connect before u get webbed........i also use hla on my weapon, no slayer, and i consecrate because i havent had the beautiful 100% damage type weapon bestowed upon me like you lucky people......anyway as long as u have hla, 120 parry, 45 dci, one handed weapon to chug, and the occasional evade and youll be fine......the only time i have a problem is if he leathal poisons me before i get webbed without feinting him.....other than that i just sick back and let my toon do all the work.....oh and another tip....you want to have counter attack up at all times....this way when your frozen and u parry u have a chance to hit him back, not to mention the potential critical strike which has saved my azz more than once while i was webbed and hurt.

 

[[JD]]

with joat parry and 120 bush and counter attack would i ever actually counter attack?

btw elemental fire shouldnt be too hard to get - i posted a thread on crafting lately. you can craft something with the majority fire, like 60 fire, 40 phys, and enhance bronze, which turns the 40 phys into 40 fire, and then you have a 100 fire weap... check the crafting forum for thread info

i did it the hard way and got my 100 fire daisho with about 20-25 dc runic hammers ;/