He's not talking about where we can pvp.. it's the BALANCE OF PVP JESUS!
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Canary is right in that UO has ALWAYS had an issue of "half-done and abandoned" stuff, but I think most of that tends to be due to the upper management changing directions on a dime all the time. Sucks but there it is.
No, no apologies for my earlier statements on sea travel and the 2d client since the Devs themselves said that very thing.
I'm glad a later team has been able to update things (though to be fair, we don't know how smooth it will be in 2d vs the EC based on the EC video) to make it work though.
Canary is right in that UO has ALWAYS had an issue of "half-done and abandoned" stuff, but I think most of that tends to be due to the upper management changing directions on a dime all the time. Sucks but there it is.
No, no apologies for my earlier statements on sea travel and the 2d client since the Devs themselves said that very thing.
I'm glad a later team has been able to update things (though to be fair, we don't know how smooth it will be in 2d vs the EC based on the EC video) to make it work though.
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Sorry, it's you that just doesn't get it. As we grow up we learn that sometimes things happen in life that makes other things not pan out the way you intended. Sometimes you have to take on new challenges as the game grows, it's hard to explain to someone who really doesn't have the desire to understand.
UO has taken many paths in the course of it's lifetime, some things implemented and some not. Is it perfect, no, of course not, nothing is going to be in life.
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canary
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OK, I'm saying if you start something, it is in ones best interest to finish it.
Arenas were advertised in the recent newsletter as already being on TC.
They are not. And god knows when/ if it will be done.
These are issues they need to avoid.
I'm sorry this is over your head, but it is very true that the follow up is important to show the company is invested in a vision.
Sweetie, I think you're a little confused. That's not Jesus, that's Storm. I understand your confusion, but really, it's Storm. And there's no need to shout
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Sweetie, I think you're a little confused. That's not Jesus, that's Storm. I understand your confusion, but really, it's Storm. And there's no need to shout
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Rofl yep just me i promise although I can see why the confusionSweetie, I think you're a little confused. That's not Jesus, that's Storm. I understand your confusion, but really, it's Storm. And there's no need to shout
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I realize from your response that this is hard for you to understand.
I know you don't know the man-power involved in releasing a full expansion, but it's more than you realize.
Instead of putting all that manpower into a full expansion, they've released this mini-expansion instead so that they can focus more on the rest of UO. Please try to understand, the Booster is in exchange for the greater manpower that a full expansion would incur, therefor releasing more time to the team to focus on a broader spectrum of things.
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canary
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LOL I only understand that, as usual, you are wrong, Flutter. But again, if you are not a consumer who wants things done correctly, timely, and with a desire to be finished, that is your choice. You are fully entitled to have low expectations. I prefer not to.
/agreeAnd I'd just like to say I'm super happy about the price. Once again the devs show that they are listening.
lol owned easilyPerhaps the Devs are feeling in need of a little appreciation so decided to do something for that part of the player base that knows how to show it. Instead of that part of the player base that just whines that it's "all wrong" every time the Devs go in to try and sort stuff out. Just a thought
Alas, this seems to be true of the vast majority of UO players. Players who are happy with what little scraps they are thrown and thank the Devs like they are doing us a favour when in fact we as paying customers deserve a lot better.
This is not a criticism of the booster, more UO in general and the absurdly low level of customer service that its paying players are preapred to accept.
I just love how they ducked nearly every question during the "Question & Response" portion. I also find it amusing that they knew they couldn't rightfully call it a "Question and Answer" session since so few of their responses were actual answers...
As for the content, it looks interesting.. I just hope they finish it. Since SA remains incomplete and the Bane event has been in limbo going on a month now.
As for the content, it looks interesting.. I just hope they finish it. Since SA remains incomplete and the Bane event has been in limbo going on a month now.
I really hope that they make 105, 110, 115 and 120 fishing powescrolls obtainable through fishing itself (fishing up chests, perhaps ?) and NOT at regular Champ powerscroll spawns.
It would be VERY unfortunate if players had to spend 20 or 30 millions on these scrolls (as it would likely happen if they were made to spawn at regular Champ spawns...) in order to enjoy fully an expansion which they just paid 14.99 $ for.......
If players pay REAL money for an expansion focused, entirely, on fishing, and fishing is pumped up to legendary, as a skill, well, then the above GM scrolls should all (included the legendary ones) be obtainable through fishing itself so that any and all players who just paid REAL money to buy the expansion, WILL BE ABLE to earn their scrolls through the expansion and not have to pay exorbitant amounts of gold to buy the scrolls needed to fully enjoy the new expansion.
That's how I see it.
It would be VERY unfortunate if players had to spend 20 or 30 millions on these scrolls (as it would likely happen if they were made to spawn at regular Champ spawns...) in order to enjoy fully an expansion which they just paid 14.99 $ for.......
If players pay REAL money for an expansion focused, entirely, on fishing, and fishing is pumped up to legendary, as a skill, well, then the above GM scrolls should all (included the legendary ones) be obtainable through fishing itself so that any and all players who just paid REAL money to buy the expansion, WILL BE ABLE to earn their scrolls through the expansion and not have to pay exorbitant amounts of gold to buy the scrolls needed to fully enjoy the new expansion.
That's how I see it.
Ya I honestly couldn't agree more. I'd pay 14.99 just for them to release a massive patch making PvP fun again. At least they're thinking about the trammies I guess. (Oh ya, and don't say there will be PvP on the high seas because we all know everyone will just stay on the tram side.)
Does anyone have the video saved somewhere?
Fixing the high seas is about time.
Fixing the high seas is about time.
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they did mention the arena but I cant remember if it was slated for the next booster or this one!
I think it all depends on if they can get it done in time
Wouldn't that be nice. I also like how people mention the arena's like it's going to improve game play somehow lol. They just don't get it...
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what was stated was its intended to get more people interested in pvp because as it stands the vast majority have no interest in it!Wouldn't that be nice. I also like how people mention the arena's like it's going to improve game play somehow lol. They just don't get it...
these are not my words but what cal and others stated
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Maybe if the LEGIONS of PvPers were out PvPing instead of waving their e-peen in general chat on on the boards you'd see people out PvPing.
Maybe.
Maybe if the LEGIONS of PvPers were out PvPing instead of waving their e-peen in general chat on on the boards you'd see people out PvPing.
Maybe.
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canary
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No, not as a booster. But it will be done... sometime.
Considering the Virtues were supposed to be done 'sometime', we may be in for a long wait.
If I was a returning player who saw Cal's newsletter that arenas were currently up and working on TC, and that was an enticing part of the game for my return, you best believe I'd be sending him an email for my money returned due to false advertising.
just jumping in to say that as an alternative to a Japan only release, or a botched deco package release, this concept stands head and shoulders above.
I would still like to see some sort of Crimson dye for armor. Many of the other invasion armor colors are now available, and of course all the set I hoarded are good only for bank sitting as I can only imbue to 450, and I don't bank sit.
I would still like to see some sort of Crimson dye for armor. Many of the other invasion armor colors are now available, and of course all the set I hoarded are good only for bank sitting as I can only imbue to 450, and I don't bank sit.
They will definitely only be available through fishing quests. Crafting power scrolls are never available through champion spawns.
Definately a quote from someone who has never worked in software development. Or actually, any kind of production development.
IIRC, thou I might be mistaken, the original idea was to have imbuing scrolls done through champs.
The problem with that logic is that Fishing isn't a crafting skill, its a general skill and so far general skills have all been from Champ spawns.
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Lol, since when is UO "Life"
UOForums have been uploading the Town Hall.
Part 1: YouTube - UO Town hall 2010 - Part 1
You can find the other parts by clicking the down arrow above the video, It'll drop down more.
Part 1: YouTube - UO Town hall 2010 - Part 1
You can find the other parts by clicking the down arrow above the video, It'll drop down more.
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canary
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Well, to some people, that's probably all they have.Lol, since when is UO "Life"
Thanks for the video link Mapper!
Very cool
ship battles could be fun, but ****, what reason do we have to fight on ships? icq another guild and say, hey, get on a ship and we'll play marco polo?
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The_Traveler
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Concur.
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Trevelyan
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You know, I dont know if this was mentioned, but how about reviving NPC docks in towns?
- NPCs give merchant quests to deliver things to other ports
- Can get stopped by NPC pirates who will try and steal your cargo
- Players can steal the cargo in fel and deliver it themselves
That is just an example of the cool things you could do with docks. Really make them useful. And, with Britain having the docks near the bank, you could really kill Luna off and bring everyone back to Brit
- NPCs give merchant quests to deliver things to other ports
- Can get stopped by NPC pirates who will try and steal your cargo
- Players can steal the cargo in fel and deliver it themselves
That is just an example of the cool things you could do with docks. Really make them useful. And, with Britain having the docks near the bank, you could really kill Luna off and bring everyone back to Brit
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Wojoe
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I like the part about being able to catch crabs...im itching already lol
Should be fun reguardless
Should be fun reguardless
Well, I'm sure some may or may not have noticed in the chat during the stream, I'm less than happy about it.
Now don't get me wrong. Yes, Pirates and ship combat are a long requested feature. I couldn't be happier that those who want it are getting it.
Yes, Fishing did need some love. Between new T-Maps from MIBs, and all that's coming with this "Booster Pack", I couldn't be happier that those who want it are getting it.
I'm glad that the dev's have listened to the player base in regards to the fact that we don't NEED more land. We need to make the land we have purposeful. I couldn't be happier about this.
Here's what I'm NOT happy about:
1) There was a post a while back where people complained that SA wasn't an expansion pack worth the price and the time. Now you have essentially a "Booster Pack" which adds random fish types, new boats, adds naval combat, more storage (Which technically is already there with boats, maybe they increase the hold size, that's about it), and fixes boat movement issues that should have been addressed long ago.
Do people really think this is worth half the price of SA, which had a whole new LAND, new RACE, Imbuing, a whole new itemization and conversion system for that new race, and a new CLIENT (Still in beta, but the point is there) for this?
I honestly don't think it's worth even half what SA was, because it seems like glorified bug fixes with minor editions. That's why I'm concerned about Cal's tale of Jeff Hickman pulling him into his office alone. It sounds like they're trying to milk the cow, which is fine if you like the milk... But the cow is getting hoof rot. Sounds like they think UO can pull a DA:O/ME2 and start doling out for what amounts to DLC for those two games, and people will pay a premium for it because it's MMO based.
2) The EC client. It has so, so much potential. But the art, the ART, needs so, so much work - It's the absolute worse properties of KR and Classic bastardized into one horrific form. The interface is there, and it's fantastic. It has it's bugs, but they're getting better. The modding is there, and people already do some amazing things with it. But for the love of Pete, pull in some artists and get them making the client looking better. Get the Dev's who are doing content to focus on developing tools to help the artists and enhancing the graphics pipeline, or a crowd-sourcing project.. SOMETHING.. GET RID OF MY GARBAGE CAN HEAD!
3) Other half finished content.. Been mentioned before. Virtues, Factions that have some kind of purpose, making existing dungeons useful and unique again, give metal armor a damn purpose, balance item properties, skill fixes, an ICON for consecrate weapon, for the love of jeebus, a HOUSE PLACEMENT TOOL THAT ACTUALLY SHOWS WHERE THE HOUSE WILL BE PLACED RELATIVE TO YOUR CURSOR.. Are these things, which have been a part of UO longer than pirates so FUBAR and worthless that they'll be ignored till the end of time?!
4) They're trying to position naval combat as a group endeavor... Does anyone actually feel that groups are still popular/common in UO? People are trying to SOLO perless, champs, SLASHER, rather than INTERACT with community as it stands now! When was the last time you saw a smith rather than buy a deed? When's the last time your guild went to war with another guild, and there were more than 8 people on the screen?
So now you want to put people in the middle of the ocean, which is vast (And Tram or Fel, by the way, to fight other players, not NPC's), and hope they'll coordinate and bump into each other?
A few guilds might go out of their way to do this, but for most, I really just don't see it happening. It was stated by one of the devs (Sorry can't remember the name) that the COMMUNITY is what really makes UO, and this is true. But this... It seems like such a small contribution to things you could be doing to improve the community as a whole, expanding or enhancing it..
Again, I know how badly some people here wanted pirates and fishing. I'm glad you're getting it, really I am. And I'm sure the devs worked very, very hard on it - This isn't a denunciation of any individual or a beratement of what they accomplish.
But was this really so requested everywhere that this was a worthy priority? Do they think this is going to really do anything to increase the size of the community rather than just milk the current playerbase?
I can't help but feel a resounding no to this. And does anyone really think these "Booster Packs" will show up with the frequency they're expecting? Or are we going to have to pay for patches and that's why they'll come through more quickly, while current patches and bug fixes that would be fre will be staggered in priority to make more cash?
Mark my words.. One day... Virtues will be a BOOSTER PACK.
Now don't get me wrong. Yes, Pirates and ship combat are a long requested feature. I couldn't be happier that those who want it are getting it.
Yes, Fishing did need some love. Between new T-Maps from MIBs, and all that's coming with this "Booster Pack", I couldn't be happier that those who want it are getting it.
I'm glad that the dev's have listened to the player base in regards to the fact that we don't NEED more land. We need to make the land we have purposeful. I couldn't be happier about this.
Here's what I'm NOT happy about:
1) There was a post a while back where people complained that SA wasn't an expansion pack worth the price and the time. Now you have essentially a "Booster Pack" which adds random fish types, new boats, adds naval combat, more storage (Which technically is already there with boats, maybe they increase the hold size, that's about it), and fixes boat movement issues that should have been addressed long ago.
Do people really think this is worth half the price of SA, which had a whole new LAND, new RACE, Imbuing, a whole new itemization and conversion system for that new race, and a new CLIENT (Still in beta, but the point is there) for this?
I honestly don't think it's worth even half what SA was, because it seems like glorified bug fixes with minor editions. That's why I'm concerned about Cal's tale of Jeff Hickman pulling him into his office alone. It sounds like they're trying to milk the cow, which is fine if you like the milk... But the cow is getting hoof rot. Sounds like they think UO can pull a DA:O/ME2 and start doling out for what amounts to DLC for those two games, and people will pay a premium for it because it's MMO based.
2) The EC client. It has so, so much potential. But the art, the ART, needs so, so much work - It's the absolute worse properties of KR and Classic bastardized into one horrific form. The interface is there, and it's fantastic. It has it's bugs, but they're getting better. The modding is there, and people already do some amazing things with it. But for the love of Pete, pull in some artists and get them making the client looking better. Get the Dev's who are doing content to focus on developing tools to help the artists and enhancing the graphics pipeline, or a crowd-sourcing project.. SOMETHING.. GET RID OF MY GARBAGE CAN HEAD!
3) Other half finished content.. Been mentioned before. Virtues, Factions that have some kind of purpose, making existing dungeons useful and unique again, give metal armor a damn purpose, balance item properties, skill fixes, an ICON for consecrate weapon, for the love of jeebus, a HOUSE PLACEMENT TOOL THAT ACTUALLY SHOWS WHERE THE HOUSE WILL BE PLACED RELATIVE TO YOUR CURSOR.. Are these things, which have been a part of UO longer than pirates so FUBAR and worthless that they'll be ignored till the end of time?!
4) They're trying to position naval combat as a group endeavor... Does anyone actually feel that groups are still popular/common in UO? People are trying to SOLO perless, champs, SLASHER, rather than INTERACT with community as it stands now! When was the last time you saw a smith rather than buy a deed? When's the last time your guild went to war with another guild, and there were more than 8 people on the screen?
So now you want to put people in the middle of the ocean, which is vast (And Tram or Fel, by the way, to fight other players, not NPC's), and hope they'll coordinate and bump into each other?
A few guilds might go out of their way to do this, but for most, I really just don't see it happening. It was stated by one of the devs (Sorry can't remember the name) that the COMMUNITY is what really makes UO, and this is true. But this... It seems like such a small contribution to things you could be doing to improve the community as a whole, expanding or enhancing it..
Again, I know how badly some people here wanted pirates and fishing. I'm glad you're getting it, really I am. And I'm sure the devs worked very, very hard on it - This isn't a denunciation of any individual or a beratement of what they accomplish.
But was this really so requested everywhere that this was a worthy priority? Do they think this is going to really do anything to increase the size of the community rather than just milk the current playerbase?
I can't help but feel a resounding no to this. And does anyone really think these "Booster Packs" will show up with the frequency they're expecting? Or are we going to have to pay for patches and that's why they'll come through more quickly, while current patches and bug fixes that would be fre will be staggered in priority to make more cash?
Mark my words.. One day... Virtues will be a BOOSTER PACK.
I like your idea Trevelyan--I hope ideas like this can be added before it is released or in the future. Can not wait for the Booster to come out. Well worth $15.00 to me.You know, I dont know if this was mentioned, but how about reviving NPC docks in towns?
- NPCs give merchant quests to deliver things to other ports
- Can get stopped by NPC pirates who will try and steal your cargo
- Players can steal the cargo in fel and deliver it themselves
That is just an example of the cool things you could do with docks. Really make them useful. And, with Britain having the docks near the bank, you could really kill Luna off and bring everyone back to Brit
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UOKaiser
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Which won't work. People know pvp. They don't want to pvp cause they don't want to pvp. The original ultima games was not about pvp. If they want to pvp there are way enough games updated out there that they can do it. Uo did developed alot of pvp in it's early years then that crowd went away for better games and pvm type players overcame the pvp crowd by 10x fold. Now these days they are trying to undo 10 years of pvm focus and the pvp crowed is not coming back yet the pvm crowed who kept this game going are leaving because of there game losing merit and bein focused on pvp by trampling on pvm goals. At the end it's going to be sad to see ultima go but it had to end sometime might as well speed it up. A moment of silence....
Maybe I'll post some more detailed thoughts at some point. But probably not.
For now I'll just post my overall verdict, on the new content based on what we've seen so far:
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-Galen's player
For now I'll just post my overall verdict, on the new content based on what we've seen so far:
.-Galen's player
When I heard about the changes, I thought it was a publish. It s ignoring 99% of what the player base is asking, but providing new events it was keeping people busy. Now, I hear that is supposedly a mini expansion...
15 dollars... Wow... For something that will amuse people one week... Seriously. Even Travian wouldn't dare to do that. With what I gave to EA in the last 12 years I could have bought a Ferrari. Would you think they d have fixed anything with that money? We're just milk Cows. When I saw what their mega project was I thought of cancelling my 3 active accounts. Seriously, I feel insulted.
Now about the content... Are you players masochists enough to pay 15 dollars for an expansion nerfing your skill. Nerfing? Yes, I have read about legendary fishing. It s clear that our GM fishermen will be completely useless unless they reach that 120. Which will ruin our templates. I at least hope they thought of putting in fishing jewelry.
We dared to complain that fishing has been broken for ten years? We ll have to pay 15 dollars for a fix that should have been done so much time ago and our current fishermen will be completely ruined anyway. (If that patch is thunt changes quality I give it one month before people start to complain).
What s next plan, 15 dollars to fix factions? 15 dollars to use the stuck option when you are stuck under a house and after 3 hours of wait NO GM replied to you?
or 45 to get a new skill that will be completely overpowered and ruin all the pvp fun for month if not years?
15 dollars... Wow... For something that will amuse people one week... Seriously. Even Travian wouldn't dare to do that. With what I gave to EA in the last 12 years I could have bought a Ferrari. Would you think they d have fixed anything with that money? We're just milk Cows. When I saw what their mega project was I thought of cancelling my 3 active accounts. Seriously, I feel insulted.
Now about the content... Are you players masochists enough to pay 15 dollars for an expansion nerfing your skill. Nerfing? Yes, I have read about legendary fishing. It s clear that our GM fishermen will be completely useless unless they reach that 120. Which will ruin our templates. I at least hope they thought of putting in fishing jewelry.
We dared to complain that fishing has been broken for ten years? We ll have to pay 15 dollars for a fix that should have been done so much time ago and our current fishermen will be completely ruined anyway. (If that patch is thunt changes quality I give it one month before people start to complain).
What s next plan, 15 dollars to fix factions? 15 dollars to use the stuck option when you are stuck under a house and after 3 hours of wait NO GM replied to you?
or 45 to get a new skill that will be completely overpowered and ruin all the pvp fun for month if not years?
Because, you know, Feluccan-based ship-to-ship combat between players is completely ignoring the PvP playerset.
The playerbase certainly isn't down because they created Trammel, so get over it.
Or if it was balanced enough to actually enjoy instead of waiting around for them to actually balance any part of it. I'm pretty sure myself and many others have only been waiting 5+ years.. I gave them a few years of time/money playing in complete imbalance holding my breath, but 90% of the pvp population have already lost hope. Looking at announcements like that, they had good reason. All I read on other forums of people praising UO revolves completely around PVP, not catching stupid fish....
Maybe if the LEGIONS of PvPers were out PvPing instead of waving their e-peen in general chat on on the boards you'd see people out PvPing.
Maybe.
What’s worse is that its patently obvious that they are pushing back other things so they can work on this booster near exclusively. Yes, it might give them more working capital and that might lead to new hires for the team.....or it might lead to EA milking us for cash for everything new.
The scary thing is: What if they release this like they did T-maps - Playable in a general sense, but knowingly buggy?
The idea of 2 boosters a year is comical, seeing that work on everything else has come to a screeching halt while they prepped what little they showed at the Town Hall. The comment that they weren't working on the EC is downright appalling.
Virtues - Abandoned
EC - Perpetual Beta
Factions - Indefinitely Delayed
Arenas - Delayed
Bane Event - Limbo (I know they said the Live Events would restart "Soon"(tm))
The scary thing is: What if they release this like they did T-maps - Playable in a general sense, but knowingly buggy?
The idea of 2 boosters a year is comical, seeing that work on everything else has come to a screeching halt while they prepped what little they showed at the Town Hall. The comment that they weren't working on the EC is downright appalling.
Virtues - Abandoned
EC - Perpetual Beta
Factions - Indefinitely Delayed
Arenas - Delayed
Bane Event - Limbo (I know they said the Live Events would restart "Soon"(tm))
Where did they say the Sea Market was going to be located?
South of Moonglow, above Fire Island I believe.