Bank sitting at Luna is fatal - how frustrating

[RainQueen]

Remember Halloween 2006 and the Grim Reaper? He was the champ who would appear in a graveyard after you'd killed enough red undead spawn. When he appeared in Brit graveyard, he would do this neat little trick and disappear suddenly in the middle of the battle - and reappear at Brit bank (WBB), giving all the bank sitters a jolt of adrenaline.

Great fun because he didn't target anyone unless they targetted him first. But when and if someone attacked him the battle would rage all around the bank. All passive players, banksitters etc. were unharmed - but at least they got to see that there was a great big world out there in UO ....... one where you could actually whack something :gun:

 

[Lord Chaos]

If something happens in game to change the status of "doing nothing", yes. It is against the rules you quoted. You suddenly become active.

Read it again. It only deals with LEAVING your character active, aka. its the status of your character when you leave your computer that counts, not whether anything changes it while you're gone.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Gotta wait for someone? go somewhere completely neutral

There's no place really completely neutral if any place can be invaded.

 

[Lord Chaos]

I think recalling into a lag zone is bad however if you are logged in you should play and not be sitting around taking up bandwidth. I still say don't be afk or take precautions or pay the price. It's not part of the game to be afk. How does this add to playing UO? Do people still bank sit to work off murder counts? What reason could there be to being afk? It only takes a couple clicks to log out.

There has already been mentioned numerous reasons to be AFK while in town.

Not to mention it helps making the game feel like its alive. There's nothing worse than going to a town and find it empty because everyone has logged out. As a paying member of the community (and paying 130 dollars a month), I have as much right to "take up bandwith" as you do.

This thread really only goes to prove how removed from the actual game Stratics posters really are. Hell, we can't even know if everyone commenting are even playing the game or paying for it.

 

[Lord Chaos]

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Blah blah blah, screw the rules lawyering, if you don't want anything bad to happen to your character while you're not sitting at the computer to control it, then LOG OUT. It really is that simple.

There has already been shown numerous examples of reasons why you'd want to leave your character AFK in a town zone.

There's no way for your character to be receiving messages either if logged out, UO doesn't have a mail system or PM system. Not to mention if you're keeping track of something going on, especially with the advent of chat in UO.

How many stories have we had over the years about the rules being rather different from one GM to the next? Do you really trust a GM to follow YOUR interpretation? If not, then either be able to attend to your character or log out.

I have never heard of a GM interpretating it that way and the rules are very clear, its OK to be afk as long as you didn't leave your character actively doing something.

 

[Lord Chaos]

They gave a catalyst, with the WBB renovations.
That didn't work, because people don't just up and move on a whim. It took an invasion making WBB unsittable for a prolonged period to solidify Luna's position as primary.

If this is an attempt to push people back to WBB by forcing people away from Luna, then it's terrible.
Far worse than simply not considering that people need a peaceful place to enjoy other aspects of the game.
Attempting to enact change through destruction of the thing you want to change is about the worst way to go about it.

This

 

[Drafgard]

The green deamon probably killed my char while i was afk for about half hour.

When i'm back i lost these
1. all my potions in backpack
2. all my orange petals in backpack, 10 of them just purchased yesterday
3. three martys just collected over the weekends

Not to mention insurance gold which goes into the sink.

Just wanted to share to all and don't bank sit at Luna and think you are safe.

Were you completely unaware that there is an event going on at the minute? With putrifiers running around in town? Perhaps you should ask the powers that be to put the event on hold, while you go AFK at Luna. Hell, be thankful there is such a thing as insurance these days. Way back when you'd have lost *everything* on you're character.

 

[the 4th man]

Gee, that's too bad........learn a lesson??

 

[Trebr Drab]

I think everyone has to understand something, including the Devs (and I'm sure they do from some comments in the past). Luna is a much better set up for a city than most others in UO. You have easy access to everything, including player vendors.
We complain about Luna because of the related problems, but the setup is good if not perfect. It gives us all a clue about how cities need to be built in sandbox games, and it shows us the problems at this stage of presentation.

As far as bank sitting, I agree that it's no crime. But I don't want the game world to stop at some line in the sand drawn to protect us from every action we might take. We all have our own opinions, this is mine.

 

[Kiminality]

Remember Halloween 2006 and the Grim Reaper? He was the champ who would appear in a graveyard after you'd killed enough red undead spawn. When he appeared in Brit graveyard, he would do this neat little trick and disappear suddenly in the middle of the battle - and reappear at Brit bank (WBB), giving all the bank sitters a jolt of adrenaline.

Great fun because he didn't target anyone unless they targetted him first. But when and if someone attacked him the battle would rage all around the bank. All passive players, banksitters etc. were unharmed - but at least they got to see that there was a great big world out there in UO ....... one where you could actually whack something :gun:

That's not entirely accurate.
The Grim Reaper used to follow people, even through recalls, so people used to take it to Brit Bank to stir things up.
I read reports that the Grim Reaper did attack AFK banksitters, and some items were lost.
Also, with respect, you seem to make two specious assumptions - that the banksitters do nothing but banksit, and that they should see/witness/partake in another person's playstyle.

 

[Surgeries]

If something happens in game to change the status of "doing nothing", yes. It is against the rules you quoted. You suddenly become active.

Wrong again, it only counts when you LEAVE your character, what happens afterwards does not count. Its only at the moment at leaving your character has to be inactive.

Seriously, LC...you call that Logic? Really? Seriously.

OK, Mr. "I Have All The Fargin' Answers"...here's one:

A player wearing a HP Regen Suit in Vampiric Embrace (let's just say well set up, and it is NOT going to die...fighting weaker spawn...whatever).

Now...there is a three minute lull between spawns. Your character is Inactive (i.e. No Spawn), and YOU get up and go to the bathroom...then the phone rings...it's work...something went wrong, and it takes you 10 minutes to straighten it out.

You go back to your computer. Your character is still logged in, is now in Jail.

Now...according to you, if the character you are playing is INACTIVE when you got up to go to the bathroom, then you are FINE according to the rules...yes?

Then...why would anyone get in trouble for this? I mean...after all...they WERE inactive, when the player left the computer...right? Since you TECHNICALLY didn't leave an ACTIVE character logged in...right?

Oh God...I can't wait for your reply.

It sure does seem that you will say just whatever you need to to support your point, regardless if the entire...and I mean entire...Stratics community tells you that you are wrong.

Wow.

 

[Taylor]

He thrives on mass opposition.

 

[Surgeries]

He thrives on mass opposition.

Actually, I am pretty sure he thrives on his fingers in his ears, eyes wide shut, and constant disharmonious "La-La-La-La-La-La-La" repeated very loudly, while looking at the floor.

Pretty sure.

 

[Taylor]

He likes to give logic a good thrashing.

 

[Kiminality]

I think what LC's trying to say, albeit badly, is that it's down to intent.

Say the scenario is that I recall to Luna Bank from hunting Ogre Lords in Despise, with the aforementioned HPR and all that, because I needed to go clean up some cat sick or something time sensitive.
To attend to whatever emergency presents itself, I forego the 30 second logging out process (which wouldn't work anyway, because of the 2 minute aggressor flag).
Now, I'm not setting up a winding scenario to prove a specific point, so much as a concept. To the best of my knowledge, I'm in a safe area.
Should there happen to be an invasion of lizardmen while I'm purging the carpet of undesirable things, then my character would become active, autodefending against them.
In that case, there's a strong case that there was no intent for your character to be active, and the circumstances that lead it to be were outside of your control.
But, if I were to similarly go AFK at a repond spawn like the Painted Caves, then that's a whole new situation.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Seriously, LC...you call that Logic? Really? Seriously.

OK, Mr. "I Have All The Fargin' Answers"...here's one:

A player wearing a HP Regen Suit in Vampiric Embrace (let's just say well set up, and it is NOT going to die...fighting weaker spawn...whatever).

Now...there is a three minute lull between spawns. Your character is Inactive (i.e. No Spawn), and YOU get up and go to the bathroom...then the phone rings...it's work...something went wrong, and it takes you 10 minutes to straighten it out.

You go back to your computer. Your character is still logged in, is now in Jail.

Now...according to you, if the character you are playing is INACTIVE when you got up to go to the bathroom, then you are FINE according to the rules...yes?

Then...why would anyone get in trouble for this? I mean...after all...they WERE inactive, when the player left the computer...right? Since you TECHNICALLY didn't leave an ACTIVE character logged in...right?

Oh God...I can't wait for your reply.

It sure does seem that you will say just whatever you need to to support your point, regardless if the entire...and I mean entire...Stratics community tells you that you are wrong.

Wow.

You really have trouble reading, the rules are clearly stated, END OF STORY. That Stratics posters can't read, is not my problem.

And lol@your scenario. That is covered by other rules btw, but really if your character is AFK and it autodefends on a mongbat spawn, NOT looting, NOT doing anything and CLEARLY not gaining anything other than durability loss, then a GM will not do anything or hell, they'd be banning every "banksitter" there are.

 

[Lord Chaos]

And which part of:
You may not leave an active character or pet in game while unattended. If your character is performing a skill, text or action, you must be able to respond to a Game Master when one attempts to speak to you.

Do you have problems understanding. It clearly states you may not leave an active character in and if you're performing any activities then you have to be able to respond to a GM.

Now you can make up all kinds of stupid scenarios, but I am pretty sure a GM (despite stratics posters opinions) are smart enough to figure out if you're gaining anything and as such was set up to be left active or with the intent of being active.

 

[longshanks]

I'm not a big bank sitter but I think its good for the game in that it provides a hang out that gives the appearance of activity, even if theres no activity. In essence it makes a given shard look populated. This winds up being PR to a degree.

In comparing say an Atlantic server with a Sonoma the amount of bank sittiing in Luna gives an indication of the activity on the shard.

How many times have you read a new player coming back to the game and posting on the boards that the game map is a ghost town?

So IMHO, I would tell you that it is good for the game to have a place to hang out.

 

[Sergul'zan_SP]

Speaking of pervasive worlds... I am going to meet my son. He is getting married to a wonderful girl. If i could choose family, I would choose her. wedding is just over a week away.

LC... see you later.

Oh... and AFK bank sitting is bad.

Ob la di. Ob ld da. Life goes on...

Congrats to your son and the lucky lady.

Wait...Kelmo has a son???

The world is not ready for this revelation.

 

[Surgeries]

And which part of:
You may not leave an active character or pet in game while unattended. If your character is performing a skill, text or action, you must be able to respond to a Game Master when one attempts to speak to you.

Do you have problems understanding. It clearly states you may not leave an active character in and if you're performing any activities then you have to be able to respond to a GM.

Now you can make up all kinds of stupid scenarios, but I am pretty sure a GM (despite stratics posters opinions) are smart enough to figure out if you're gaining anything and as such was set up to be left active or with the intent of being active.

As soon as your character "Uses" a skill, speaks, etc., then that char is Active in the world, regardless of the condition of the char when you walked away from the computer.

Well...to MOST people.

All except you.

We get that.

 

[Lord Chaos]

But, if I were to similarly go AFK at a repond spawn like the Painted Caves, then that's a whole new situation.

Right, its all about intent.

But as such, if a GM is seeing your char is doing nothing but just stand there autodefending, nothing being looted, nothing being gained, no one being helped and all thats gained is durability loss, then I really doubt they're going to do anything other than maybe logging you out or simply moving you to the gate room to make you safe.

I mean really, to give my own scenario, now that surgeries gives scenarios. If someone in your family screams (because they've injured themselves or otherwise), are you going to go "Oh hold on, I am going to get away, recall and log out of UO first" or are you going to run to them immediately without hesitation?

 

[Lord Chaos]

As soon as your character "Uses" a skill, speaks, etc., then that char is Active in the world, regardless of the condition of the char when you walked away from the computer.

lol? Exactly what I said.

If you left your character AFK and your character starts using skills or speaking AND YOU'RE NOT THERE TO RESPOND TO A GM, then the GM can safely conclude that you're using an illegal program or otherwise have left an activity running.

But again, being completely AFK in a town has nothing to do with using skills, speaking, setting it up to fight a golem, gains, etc.

 

[RainQueen]

That's not entirely accurate.
The Grim Reaper used to follow people, even through recalls, so people used to take it to Brit Bank to stir things up.
I read reports that the Grim Reaper did attack AFK banksitters, and some items were lost.
Also, with respect, you seem to make two specious assumptions - that the banksitters do nothing but banksit, and that they should see/witness/partake in another person's playstyle.

I'm not making any assumptions, specious or otherwise. Neither am I trying to prove how encyclopaedic my UO knowledge is or how clever and witty I am. And obviously my memory is pretty wobbly as well - so put me in the Stratics stocks and throw rotten corpses at me.

I was merely trying to suggest that there might be a way of allowing these Guardians/Green Daemons to invade the bank areas without upsetting anyone, i.e. if you don’t target them they don’t attack you. That way everyone is happy.

 

[Sergul'zan_SP]

If you're AFK at Luna *actively* burning off counts this argument becomes very interesting.

 

[Arcus]

And which part of:
You may not leave an active character or pet in game while unattended. If your character is performing a skill, text or action, you must be able to respond to a Game Master when one attempts to speak to you.

Do you have problems understanding. It clearly states you may not leave an active character in and if you're performing any activities then you have to be able to respond to a GM.

Now you can make up all kinds of stupid scenarios, but I am pretty sure a GM (despite stratics posters opinions) are smart enough to figure out if you're gaining anything and as such was set up to be left active or with the intent of being active.

Im with LC on this one. Its very clear.

 

[Going Going Gone]

There's a lot of hate against banksitters going on here.

Yes and I really don't understand the problem here. As mentionned by other players, there can be several reasons to bank sit. There is no sign saying "reserved for pvpers who wishes to burn counts". Looks to me someone got killed by the unexpected blue in Fel

 

[Lady Storm]

You know whats funny....

I was on my crafter, not a fighting bone in his body. I spot the Deamon spawn in Luna just outside the back door of the bank. I run deeper in bank to get out of way and yell "RUN DEAMON!!" to the croud not talking or moving. I head out the front door and out of the way. All I hear is dead sounds..... Not one paid attention to me, they died. They got looted too. Deamons have sticky fingers. When one lady I knew there got back from healer she said " Next time you say RUN i'll listen to you!" The cavelry showed up and vanquished the deamon. Moral: Dont think just cause your at Luna bank your safe to go afk for the whole day... you just might loose out.

 

[Old Man of UO]

... I run deeper in bank to get out of way and yell "RUN DEAMON!!" to the croud not talking or moving. ...

Now, that sounds like something fun to try when I'm bored.

 

[Picus at the office]

It can be really annoying to have your invis spell only work when the demon has followed you into the center of luna. It can be hard to warn people about the nasty demon who's following you but you have to look out for number one, right?

 

[hizack]

Were you completely unaware that there is an event going on at the minute? With putrifiers running around in town? Perhaps you should ask the powers that be to put the event on hold, while you go AFK at Luna. Hell, be thankful there is such a thing as insurance these days. Way back when you'd have lost *everything* on you're character.

No, not aware of it. I was just caming back from a dungeon hunt and Luna was like just any other peaceful day. And that char is a swordsman not legendary bank sitter If he is then I probably know the what to do - log out or go to Heaven instead.

And yes thanks to the insurance I didn't lose everything but then, I remember the days to put the vanquishing katana back into bank box right after hunting

 

[R Traveler]

Its very clear. Game Master come in monster form, tried to talk and finally killed afk bank sitter.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Unlikely, but wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Aurelius]

I'm sure I remember a while back, when cities were being invaded, that little HTML screen when you log in had warnings that some cities might not be safe. Looks like they went to all the effort of making that and then forgot they could use it

Maybe they could consider actually using that screen again for something, such as warning of this 'event' making certain cities riskier than others.

 

[Xalan Dementia]

I'm sure I remember a while back, when cities were being invaded, that little HTML screen when you log in had warnings that some cities might not be safe. Looks like they went to all the effort of making that and then forgot they could use it

Maybe they could consider actually using that screen again for something, such as warning of this 'event' making certain cities riskier than others.

yes that was nice of them, but i think they believe it ruins the surprise of an event. The deamons are EM controlled and not on every shard so a log in message was kinda out of thier thought process

 

[Aurelius]

yes that was nice of them, but i think they believe it ruins the surprise of an event. The deamons are EM controlled and not on every shard so a log in message was kinda out of thier thought process

The ones I've fought lately gave absolutely no impression at all of being EM controlled, they acted exactly as a normal monster AI would.

 

[Lord Chaos]

yes that was nice of them, but i think they believe it ruins the surprise of an event. The deamons are EM controlled and not on every shard so a log in message was kinda out of thier thought process

What benefit does a surprise give? None really, other than people dead and some people getting angry. Others will just log on to fight no matter if its a surprise or not.

 

[eve]

I would compare socializing in the midst of a busy shopping center to trying to meet people and chat in Luna.

Perhaps a really cool Tavern could be setup outside the luna walls; possibly near or in conjunction with the fairgrounds (I assume all shards have fairgrounds now). A tavern with a large open area, and some smaller rooms with tables and chairs; and secure logout. Let Luna be the tacky Shopping center...

and I love that luna has been having the occasional invasion..... I logged in there yesterday, upstairs, and was killed immediately. Ah well, we take our chances.

 

[Xalan Dementia]

What benefit does a surprise give? None really, other than people dead and some people getting angry. Others will just log on to fight no matter if its a surprise or not.

so if you would have been sitting at luna, had one spawn, helped kill it and got a nice reward.... youd still get angry cuz it was a surprise. some people enjoy surprises, by your logic surprise parties are horrific.

Now, seeings how no one has lost anything irreplaceable from these em events, lets just let this thread die.

 

[Scarst]

*Skips like half the post assuming it's all the same thing about how it's unfair and counters to that statement*

Honestly this is what happened to Britain during the Repond invasion people couldn't sit safely at the West brit bank so everyone went to luna which I hate.

I mean Malas is awful it has literally 3 places of danger it and one of them you need keys for Bedlam, Doom, and the Labyrinth.

Back on topic, if you are going to be on the game don't sit at the bank unattended it's pretty simple there is an inn right upstairs from the luna bank.

 

[Lord Chaos]

*Skips like half the post assuming it's all the same thing about how it's unfair and counters to that statement*

Back on topic, if you are going to be on the game don't sit at the bank unattended it's pretty simple there is an inn right upstairs from the luna bank.

Or maybe you shouldn't have skipped the posts, as they clearly explains a need to be logged into the game unattended in Luna, not to mention the game benefits from it.

 

[Lord Chaos]

so if you would have been sitting at luna, had one spawn, helped kill it and got a nice reward.... youd still get angry cuz it was a surprise. some people enjoy surprises, by your logic surprise parties are horrific.

Surprise parties that kill in you real life sucks too you know. Also, you don't throw surprise parties for people who have specifically said they hate surprise parties.

Now, seeings how no one has lost anything irreplaceable from these em events, lets just let this thread die.

Actually there's some people who have lost some valuable stuff when recalling into Luna and getting attacked.

 

[Viper09]

Surprise parties that kill in you real life sucks too you know. Also, you don't throw surprise parties for people who have specifically said they hate surprise parties.

Sooo, are you saying because some people in this game don't like surprises the devs shouldn't provide any surprises at all? No thanks.

 

[Martyna Zmuir]

ZOMG. Stop feeding the troll guys.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Sooo, are you saying because some people in this game don't like surprises the devs shouldn't provide any surprises at all? No thanks.

Not when it involves us against our will, no.

If I like surprises that destroy houses, would you like to have your house destroyed to feed my amusement?

Get your surprises elsewhere.

 

[Viper09]

Not when it involves us against our will, no.

If I like surprises that destroy houses, would you like to have your house destroyed to feed my amusement?

Get your surprises elsewhere.

Ridiculous attempt to try to get people to agree with you. Comparing a monster spawning at a bank to an extreme case of houses being destroyed which we both know will never happen. So yes, keep surprises as they are never so ridiculous as you trying to make them out to be.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Ridiculous attempt to try to get people to agree with you. Comparing a monster spawning at a bank to an extreme case of houses being destroyed which we both know will never happen. So yes, keep surprises as they are never so ridiculous as you trying to make them out to be.

They're both ridiculously stupid. There was one guy on Europa talking in chat that he had recalled to stock his vendor with expensive items, only to get killed by one of those things.

If you want surprises and fun, get it outside of town, add a new surprising spawn in one of the dungeons that badly needs a visit. Just keep your griefing attitudes out of our playstyle and fun.