classic shard information

[dum3886]

A classic shard would be:

1: aimed at drawing back old vets.
2: maintaining the population of people who are getting bored of the current game but still would stay if there is a classic alternative shard. (keeping a subscription rather than losing one is > than gaining a brand new subscriber as they tend to stay longer - many ppl join a game but quit within the first few months... people who have played for a long time tend to stay longer)
3: Draw people from free shards who never played an OSI (in a sense brand new player for EA but not to UO)
4: Its a different game... will draw in a small number of new players.

 

[Arch Magus]

Any news on the Classic Shard yet?

Just wondering.
I always stop back in every month or so.

 

[Taylor]

Re: Any news on the Classic Shard yet?

No.

 

[Aragon100]

A classic shard would be:

1: aimed at drawing back old vets.
2: maintaining the population of people who are getting bored of the current game but still would stay if there is a classic alternative shard. (keeping a subscription rather than losing one is > than gaining a brand new subscriber as they tend to stay longer - many ppl join a game but quit within the first few months... people who have played for a long time tend to stay longer)
3: Draw people from free shards who never played an OSI (in a sense brand new player for EA but not to UO)
4: Its a different game... will draw in a small number of new players.

Agree.

Old vets like me wont subscribe to today UO, but i would subscribe instantly to a classic shard. That's the word of my guildmates also.

We tried DF and MO but those games is far from as good as the classic UO was.

I so hope that the EA/Mythic developers have a positive approach towards a classic shard so all of us that have been searching for a game as good as old UO and never found it could see the light in the tunnel and finally get back the long lost original UO feeling many of us misses so much.

 

[Sergul'zan_SP]

Agree.

Old vets like me wont subscribe to today UO, but i would subscribe instantly to a classic shard. That's the word of my guildmates also.

We tried DF and MO but those games is far from as good as the classic UO was.

I so hope that the EA/Mythic developers have a positive approach towards a classic shard so all of us that have been searching for a game as good as old UO and never found it could see the light in the tunnel and finally get back the long lost original UO feeling many of us misses so much.

I personally think a classic shard would not only bring a lot of people back, but it would also decimate the current shard populations. Many, many people are waiting for a classic shard to be implemented, and if so they wouldn't waste their time on the Blizzard port of UO that we are currently playing. A game where you can hop on and be completely competitive within a week is far superior to a game where you have to spend months doing things you can't stand to have a possibility of competing.

Here's my statistical approach...all these numbers are REAL I swear!!!!

73% of modern production shard players would leave for a classic shard. Of those, 93% would not return to play on the production shards ever again. The UO population would increase by 500% due to returning vets and the such..but would eventually decrease by 200% after the initial charm wore off. 100% of the Post-AoS shard players would continue to cry and flame players of the classic shard, and 10% of people on the classic shard would waste their time on these forums defending it.

The classic shard will be released on 11/11/2011, and we will have a little over a year to play it before the world ends on 12/12/2012. At that point, nothing in these forums nor in-game will matter anymore.

Except on the classic shard, which will live forever because God favors it.

 

[Amber Moon]

Here's my statistical approach...all these numbers are REAL I swear!!!!

Well, yes they are real by the mathematical definition, but I think that is about as far as it goes.

The truth is, that even if the dev's did market group research and such, I not sure even that would give an accurate picture. No one will really know unless they actually do it. So there is the risk involved.

The other thing is, people unfamiliar with commercial mmo development will likely underestimate the cost of development and maintenance of yet another code set.

So there are the trade offs. Will they do it, particularly now when the economy is bad the the entire game industry is cutting back? My guess is rather large very very unlikely.

 

[Phineas le Monge]

Re: Any news on the Classic Shard yet?

 

[GarthGrey]

Re: Any news on the Classic Shard yet?

Just wondering.
I always stop back in every month or so.

And you're not capable of reading when you stop back in every month or so? You've offered nothing except another worthless thread about it. See you when you "stop back in " in a month or so.

 

[Coldren]

Re: Any news on the Classic Shard yet?

You've offered nothing except another worthless thread....

And here I was concerned that the value of the discussions and topics was getting TO high around here..

Clearly this post is a new low for Stratics, amirite?



No, no news yet, OP. They said they might not have a definitive answer until the end of the year. Best to check back in January.

 

[Taylor]

Re: Any news on the Classic Shard yet?

I disagree. I think it's the usual low.

 

[GarthGrey]

Re: Any news on the Classic Shard yet?

And here I was concerned that the value of the discussions and topics was getting TO high around here..

Clearly this post is a new low for Stratics, amirite?



No, no news yet, OP. They said they might not have a definitive answer until the end of the year. Best to check back in January.

Some of the classic threads are good, this one, is yet another worthless one. What was wrong with saying that?

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

Re: Any news on the Classic Shard yet?

Brother. There will never be a classic shard.

No one can define classic. Sorry.

Bottom line. Unpopulated siege not good enough. Fel, not good enough. Trammel doesnt have Fel stuff. Malas barren. Ilsh interesting. SA goog content. 5 rule sets already. That the problem.


Classic worked because of the volume of players in one area. The lands are to big now. The player base is to small.

Anything "classic" will just be 12 people standing around lamenting on how lame the shard is.

ARGH.

A land mass without insurance, stat loss, greys, stealing and massive enough that there aren't choke points would suffice. In the land... A gizzillion things to do and find.

Ain't happening.

 

[Aragon100]

Re: Any news on the Classic Shard yet?

Brother. There will never be a classic shard.

No one can define classic. Sorry.

Bottom line. Unpopulated siege not good enough. Fel, not good enough. Trammel doesnt have Fel stuff. Malas barren. Ilsh interesting. SA goog content. 5 rule sets already. That the problem.


Classic worked because of the volume of players in one area. The lands are to big now. The player base is to small.

Anything "classic" will just be 12 people standing around lamenting on how lame the shard is.

ARGH.

A land mass without insurance, stat loss, greys, stealing and massive enough that there aren't choke points would suffice. In the land... A gizzillion things to do and find.

Ain't happening.

A classic shard is any time before AoS. AoS was what made UO a totally different game.

A classic shard would as i see it work very well when it comes to subscribers. Take my guild alone, we will bring +20 to that classic server and then i counted low. That's 8 more from our guild alone then the 12 you saw joining up.

The players EA/Mythic would address if they open a classic shard want no insurance of items, we want full loot. We want statloss, greys and thiefs. That thrill isnt for everyone sure, but the ones that prefer such a game is as i see it alot more players then you can imagine.

Take the dissapointed DF and MO UO-veterans. Take the freeshard players. Take the newcomers that never had a chance to play the old UO. I'm sure the subscribers isnt the problem here.

 

[Metalstorm]

Good points on both sides of the fence.

But I think all will readily agree that the #1 focus of a 'classic' shard is skill based play over item based play.

The rest is just details which gives a lot of room to make things really good or really bad.


I would love to see a skill based shard but I'm also a realist so I'm slooowly adapting to this item based world.

It's a "Hope for the best, prepare for the worse" kind of habit of mine

 

[SirZ]

Re: Any news on the Classic Shard yet?

Just wondering.
I always stop back in every month or so.

 

[puni666]

Learn from the past and don't dwell on it. It's like a funny tv show you used to watch when you were a kid. You go back and watch it now and think... hmm this isn't really that enjoyable... There's better things now. (sure a lot still needs balancing but that's a different thread.) The players lost by things that are new is far out weighted by new subscribers, and people purchasing multiple accounts for personal use, and to make profits off of selling items.

Sure they might make it, but in the end it's going to flop and be run by a certain guild like every other shard, and ruin the past enjoyability of it.

 

[Aragon100]

Learn from the past and don't dwell on it. It's like a funny tv show you used to watch when you were a kid. You go back and watch it now and think... hmm this isn't really that enjoyable... There's better things now. (sure a lot still needs balancing but that's a different thread.) The players lost by things that are new is far out weighted by new subscribers, and people purchasing multiple accounts for personal use, and to make profits off of selling items.

Sure they might make it, but in the end it's going to flop and be run by a certain guild like every other shard, and ruin the past enjoyability of it.

Excuse me but what give you the right to tell us classic shard supporters what we should enjoy? I tried DF, MO and even UO after AoS and none of those was enjoyable.

This is not an old TV-show. This classic shard would for me and many other's be many times better then any MMO out today, including today UO.

There was features in old UO that has never been reproduced. It was a unique MMO.

 

[HD2300]

Same people. Different puppet accounts.

Please keep posting for another 5 months until Christmas... Suckers. Ho Ho Ho

 

[Aragon100]

Same people. Different puppet accounts.

Please keep posting for another 5 months until Christmas... Suckers. Ho Ho Ho

I have one account here on stratics and ended my UO subscription after AoS. Never been here posting since my interest in UO is way back.

Now we might be able to play our beloved game again and thats the only reason i'm here discussing.

My guildmates that also posted in these classic threads is in the same situation, one account.

So we that want a classic shard is alot more then you could imagine in your wildest dreams. Just look up the interest other threads on the subject raised, those threads is the most discussed ones. 745 have signed the petition on getting a classic shard and just imagine how many didnt vote but should if they knew of it.

 

[Nihilus]

I can't believe people still deny the huge demand for a classic UO shard. If it makes you feel better to think every person who posts something in support of a Classic shard is a "dummy" account then please yourself, but as far as reality goes it's just sad and your simply deluding yourself.

Try looking past the end of your nose, don't just look here on Stratics, look on all kinds of generic MMO boards, look on all the Free shard boards, look at YouTube, look at other Sandbox MMO forums (DF, MO, Eve). There are litterally hundreds of users across these sites all in total agreement about the state of UO now is an utter shadow of it's former greatness...in fact it's pitiful what the game has become and how it has tried so hard to emulate modern theme park MMO's that it has lost all identity and memory of what made it successfully and unique in the first place, it's open sandbox design.

Putting the argument of Classic UO aside, to state that there is just a handful of people demanding a classic shard is simply ludicrous. Peak populations for free shards have reached up to 1500 active at any one time on a single shard, Add in all the silent lurkers of which i've been one for many years and there are likely thousands of potential ex UO vets that would sign up to a shard. Whether the shard would retain that number is another question entirely but unquestionably, there is both interest and demand.

 

[Yen Sid]

745 have signed the petition on getting a classic shard and just imagine how many didnt vote but should if they knew of it.

Umm, and this petition is where exactly? Where is 745 coming from? Do you have a source? Did you know that 67% of statistics are made up on the spot? rolleyes:

 

[Aragon100]

Umm, and this petition is where exactly? Where is 745 coming from? Do you have a source? Did you know that 67% of statistics are made up on the spot? rolleyes:

This is the petition -

http://www.classicuo.com/

 

[HD2300]

^^

Classic Crack Up

 

[Aragon100]

^^

Classic Crack Up

So the petition i linked above is also same characters with multiple accounts? You have to verify with your e-mail that you is you and there is only one vote per e-mail.

There is loads of players that want to play a classic UO server and if you havent graped that already then i dont know what to say.

 

[Sergul'zan_SP]

So the petition i linked above is also same characters with multiple accounts? You have to verify with your e-mail that you is you and there is only one vote per e-mail.

There is loads of players that want to play a classic UO server and if you havent graped that already then i dont know what to say.

Nothing usually works pretty well. It's entertaining to watch the haters boost the thread over and over all the while complaining that the thread exists. You can't convince them of anything because they've already decided they're against it. After a while the threads get even more entertaining when you get the same five people arguing over what classic edition of UO would be better.

The only valid argument against it is developer time. No matter what "edition" of a classic server is implemented, a majority of the players calling for one will play it.

 

[Evlar]

Re: Any news on the Classic Shard yet?

A classic shard would as i see it work very well when it comes to subscribers. Take my guild alone, we will bring +20 to that classic server and then i counted low. That's 8 more from our guild alone then the 12 you saw joining up.

See... that's more than play on a couple of the production shards already!

 

[Evlar]

The players lost by things that are new is far out weighted by new subscribers, and people purchasing multiple accounts for personal use, and to make profits off of selling items.

"The players lost by things that are new is far out weighted by new subscribers"

So which Christmas cracker did you pull that one from?

Considering that shard populations appear to be less than half what they were pre-AoS, I would think that one through again...

Providing a classic option is an opportunity for the game to rekindle interest. To recoup some (yes "some"), of the players who weren't happy with complete gameplay changes implemented within Age of Shadows, or Renaissance.

Does it not occur to some people, that there's a perfectly good reason why, despite a very brief "peak" in subscribers after these expansions, the game has been in well documented and observed decline ever since?

Why is it that even with further expansions since those two major impact ones, there's only a brief, small and short-lived rise in subscribers, followed by a bit of a plateau, then further decline? Because all that's added, is more "stuff".

It's the pre-Ren or pre-AoS gameplay that most of those that have left UO miss the most. We've no desire to change the gameplay you love. You're welcome to keep it. All we ask is for an alternative option, to enjoy the gameplay (or as near to it we can get), that we miss.