[UO Herald] Producer's Update - June 2010

[RaDian FlGith]

imo the bane dragon issues highlights why there should be separate PvM only and PvP only shards. You will have less bored or greedy people wrecking the game for the majority. The game should be designed so that the majority can enjoy it, not for a small minority to profit or grief.

No offense, but how does having a PvM or PvP only shard have any bearing on whether or not someone gets griefed?

PvP only shards would be full of it -- the only difference being you could fight back. Of course, since the event is taking place in Felucca as well, that sort of stifles that particular argument.

As for a PvM only shard, the griefing would still happen, so I'm unsure what would be solved by that.

In short... there wouldn't be much of a change. Just a difference in the style of shards. But you could always check with Siege Perilous and see how things are going over there. I suspect probably well because they have folks over there on the PvP-only shard that work to protect each other, so yeah, it's probably not too bad there.

 

[HD2300]

As for a PvM only shard, the griefing would still happen, so I'm unsure what would be solved by that.

Many times it is bored "fringe PvPers" that cause problems at events or areas in Trammel. Then you have profiteers doing selfish things to also inflate prices and make a living off UO. So when you limit opportunities to grief and profit you encounter less problems, like on a PvM only shard, because it wont be worthwhile for these type of players to play there.

 

[Winker]

Reading through this thread is see that quite a lot of replies are about the lack of 3rd party program detection and the on-going saga of the dev's telling us they are working on it.

Its clear that its the hottest topic among us UO players right now, and yet the dev's appear to be dragging their feet on the subject yet again.

How about they hang off doing the next content update and they all start working on getting this detection system working. Then they can start to work on new game content.

New events are no good if people are abusing the new event content as well as the old content. A good example is that the new event can not be done in fel without speedhackers trying to kill you, so the new content is useless in fel.

Focus on getting things fixed before you add new stuff!

 

[dukarlo]

Reading through this thread is see that quite a lot of replies are about the lack of 3rd party program detection and the on-going saga of the dev's telling us they are working on it.

Its clear that its the hottest topic among us UO players right now, and yet the dev's appear to be dragging their feet on the subject yet again.

How about they hang off doing the next content update and they all start working on getting this detection system working. Then they can start to work on new game content.

New events are no good if people are abusing the new event content as well as the old content. A good example is that the new event can not be done in fel without speedhackers trying to kill you, so the new content is useless in fel.

Focus on getting things fixed before you add new stuff!

If im not mistaken it took until 2006 for them to even talk about punkbuster. That fell thru and its now 20010. Theres nothing to make anyone believe all the talk about cheat detction etc wont go the same way as punkbuster. Up to this point EA/Mythic has never done anything about cheating and theres no reason with thier track record to believe that they ever will. As someone else said, Cal should be a politician. Once again we are all idiots if we are still playing UO as money is the only thing EA understands.

 

[Nok]

So what if the UO dev team decided to go ahead and start using the anti-cheat measures now? Before they have finished collecting the data they need to determine what a cheat is and is not? They do it, find x amount of cheaters and ban them.

You -know- there will be some of those banned coming to UHall to voice their complaints and sympathizers siding with the banned... "the devs rushed it out the door too soon", "it's all *OSI/EA/Mythic/Garriott/not Garriott/pick-a-company-or-dev-with-or-formerly-associated-of-your-choice*'s fault", "I'm innocent because of *pick-a-lame-reason*", etc., blah-blah-blah, yada-yada-yada, ad nauseam. People would gripe.

The team is trying to take their time to do this as best as can be done. But at least by taking the time to learn what cheaters are doing, how they cheat, and what they use to cheat... will allow them to develop the best policies, practices and tools for dealing with cheaters as best as can be done. But given that, people are still going to gripe... just maybe a little less than rushing it out the door.

The devs are doing their jobs, be glad they are doing it. The anti-cheat system they are working on now, has no relevance to the lack of anti-cheat measures 10 years ago... give it a break and rest your necks.

 

[Evlar]

Many times it is bored "fringe PvPers" that cause problems at events or areas in Trammel.

So where did you pluck that idea from then? Rather judgemental is it not?

As usual, you're happy to point the finger at a group of players, under the misguided assumption that you're always correct. You're sort of comment isn't too dissimilar to "all <insert racial group here> are all thieves and robbers" type statements.

I'm what you might refer to as a "bored fringe PvP'er". As in, PvP accounts about a fifth of my gameplay and I'm bored or what UO has become in some respects. That doesn't mean that I head off to cause disruption at EM events, grief people or hog spawns.

Griefers are griefers, plain and simple. To assume they come from any particular group of players, which I gather you may have a distaste for, is utter hogwash.

Yes there's always been disagreements of opinion between those who's playing preference, places their activity more so in Fel or Tram, but I would argue that there's likely more griefers in Tram than in Fel these days. In Fel or Siege, griefers aren't much of a problem, because the rest of the players are able to resolve such issues themselves. What can they do in Tram? Page a GM and waste precious hours of game time for a canned reply?

My suggestion, is that if an individual player is griefing everyone else, get a sizeable group of players to all page reports about them. Just maybe, the GM might actually take some action. Only by working together as players, will we likely see a positive outcome to solving the problem of griefers.

 

[HD2300]

^^ change bored "fringe" pvpers to bored "crap" pvpers... the ones that cant win in Fel so they go to trammel and disrupt things.

btw I support enhancements to Siege, the creation of a PvP only super shard with insurance (Siege with insurance), creation of PvP Arenas.

I dont respect the opinions of a small minority, judas's who sold out and make a living off UO and "griefers" that ruin the game for the majority.

 

[Picus of Napa]

On Napa, my main shard, one can do the event all day long in Fel. There is no one bothering to go and stop/fight you, not a single player cares. Having a strictly non PvP server is pointless simply because 4/5 of the game is already like that and 4/5 of the grief happens in those lands. At the very lease on Seige you could kill a player, I'd be shocked if you were a member of one of the larger groups on that shard you would have a problem.

The total lack of player justice is the biggest issue with the bane dragons atm.

 

[Lorax_Pacific]

The developer/player relationship is an interesting one.<snip>

"...When developers have to make decisions for 10s of thousand of players, and many 10s of thousands watching, choices are even more difficult."

More...

So the answer to the age old question about current population is less than 100k. Assumption, but seems likely he would have said decisions for over 100k players or 100's of thousands of players. Assumption agreement? BTW...I love this game and will never leave!

-Lorax

 

[Evlar]

^^ change bored "fringe" pvpers to bored "crap" pvpers... the ones that cant win in Fel so they go to trammel and disrupt things.

That may be the case for some players, but I would venture for every such "player" you label as such, there's just as many who grief, hog spawns, are antisocial, etc... who never actually set foot in Fel.

As for "crap" PvP'ers, possibly. Most of the better PvP'ers left UO to look at other games, when AoS was introduced and completely changed the mechanics of the game.

There are still a few genuinely good PvP'ers around though. I've played with and against some of these in factions on Great Lakes. They're a dying breed though.

btw I support enhancements to Siege, the creation of a PvP only super shard with insurance (Siege with insurance), creation of PvP Arenas.

I understand that in the context of the item-driven game UO has become. But why not also have the pre-AoS "classic" option which is more about character and player skill, than items then? It's likely to draw more players than "another" AoS item based option.

Siege is already an alternative option. What you're suggesting, "Siege with insurance" could easily be implemented, on Siege. I think that would split what's left of the Siege community though. Essentially though, you already have that option on all the production shards, in Fel. So really, you're not offering a worthwhile alternative.

I dont respect the opinions of a small minority, judas's who sold out and make a living off UO and "griefers" that ruin the game for the majority.

So here you go again. You cast aspersions. Might as well put it in your signature, to save you typing it repeatedly. It's getting like a stuck record now and honestly, quite laughable. Do you realise what a fool you're making yourself look like?

I'm a regular player, just like anyone else. Every time someone disagrees with something you say, or the wild statements you make, they're instantly accused of being a broker or gold farmer or some such, a cheater, or that they were/are a griefer. As if that's supposed to give your arguments some ground to rest on.

Well, shoot enough bullets, you might hit one or two random targets. The rest of us are what we are... regular players, like everyone else, who would like an alternative option. That option being the same concept of Ultima Online we signed up to all those years ago.

Oh, before you head off on the PvP tangent again, it isn't just about PvP, just as Siege isn't just about PvP. It's about overall gameplay, challenges, adventure, community and freedoms in a virtual world, that just aren't the same now.

So, you're free to not respect whoever you like. Do you honestly think people respect the drivel and baseless accusations you're so readily willing to type?

 

[HD2300]

^^ Just to clarify the shards I want...
1. Production shards
and 2. Siege and Mugen
and 3. PvP only shards (like Siege but with insurance)
and 4. PvM only shards with factions and guild wars

PvP Arenas and banning RMT like many other games would be nice too.

Talking about fools. A fool would be someone who comes here saying they are a markeey dragoon founder, their job was to sell gold for living, post multiple times that they hate stratics, then post "if they ban cheaters uo will die", including in the producers thread. LOSER. A tool is someone who sucks up to such a fool. LMAO

 

[Violence]

My view on the anti-cheating campaign's progress, if I may call it that : "Tick.. Tock.. Tick.. Tock.." Just until next month's end or maybe August's end.

My account's got a kill-switch. I suggest that all the remaining legit players install one as well, I completely agree with us being idiots for allowing this to go on by actually paying EA/M to play if another month goes by without any anti-cheating getting implemented.

And I couldn't care less for such "news" as this last Update. Check it out, seems like half the letter caters to a major portion of players who will keep paying either way, the other half can be safely 100% ignored(I've never been on a game's boards where the Devs try to incite sympathy by mentioning the health conditions of members of their team, no offense to Messana)... And a small bit at the end is playing on "Loop" about how things are looking up. Yay.. rolleyes:

I'll post a Player's Update - June 2010

I'm really trying to enjoy the game. I'm trying to be constructive in my suggestions regarding changes and additions or balancing. I am paying EA/M and log in almost daily so that I may keep up to date with the game's state. I even talk to my friends about UO though there is not much to say because every single thing I tell them is answered with "Yeah, but how about cheating?". Those that did come back did so for the sake of team-play, which could be found pretty much on any other MMO. Just that we have some hopes still.

EA/M has absolutely no direction to take UO to and do not care. They randomly throw in additions(Yay, duels.. With cheats.. Or, Uhmm.. "Look ma! I can haz wings in UO! And like.. New monsters which.. Uhmm. Just drop items and have high HP, a really original idea!") and fixes(in the line of "You can now receive less Water Pitchers off Water Elementals", ZoMG?!) but their prioritization sucks(NEW FACTIONSZZ!? But who cares.. Even if cheating is taken care of, there's so many imbalances that people are not interested in PVP), they can't handle cheating nor Public Relations any more. And what they fix leaves more than 50% of the people they try to please, quite displeased, as for the rest they simply do not care by now.

Cal posts monthly, yet this month's post took all credibility from the previous two posts and threw it out of the window. Players post daily, getting no satisfactory reply, whether it is about broken mechanics, skills, or cheats.

Messana is recovering- Gee, my brother is recovering too, I suppose this interests the rest of the UO players just soooo much and it somehow shows something about my quality as a player and the problems I face as one.. What BS, sorry.

So I'll be quitting next month or the one after, tops, if cheating is not handled properly. If it does I suppose I could be patient about ALL the other issues like PVP re-balancing, skill enhancements and such. It's like, I want to play, I like the game. It just can't be played the way I want it because of a couple of issues. And I'm tired of getting accused of not enjoying it or whining too much from people who don't get what I'm saying, too.

- A Player

 

[agpga]

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July, we are putting together a small present for new players, and those who wish to reactivate some of their under-developed or forgotten young accounts. There are some minor tech hurdles we are working through, but right now we are planning to press the visibility and accessibility of Ultima Online from multiple fronts.
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doesn't that just figure as i just yesterday reactivated an old account. Oh well guess I miss out again!

 

[GarthGrey]

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July, we are putting together a small present for new players, and those who wish to reactivate some of their under-developed or forgotten young accounts. There are some minor tech hurdles we are working through, but right now we are planning to press the visibility and accessibility of Ultima Online from multiple fronts.
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doesn't that just figure as i just yesterday reactivated an old account. Oh well guess I miss out again!

This is how they're going to ban the "other" accounts of those they've already identified as 3rd party abuser accounts. Pretty smart actually, it's like those episodes of Cops, where they call the Most Wanted and pretend their a radio station and that they've won some kind of prize/lottery...and the fools all drive up to collect and WHAMMO IN THE SLAMMO...<---- yeah that sucked I know...

 

[Trebr Drab]

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July, we are putting together a small present for new players, and those who wish to reactivate some of their under-developed or forgotten young accounts. There are some minor tech hurdles we are working through, but right now we are planning to press the visibility and accessibility of Ultima Online from multiple fronts.
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doesn't that just figure as i just yesterday reactivated an old account. Oh well guess I miss out again!

This is how they're going to ban the "other" accounts of those they've already identified as 3rd party abuser accounts. Pretty smart actually, it's like those episodes of Cops, where they call the Most Wanted and pretend their a radio station and that they've won some kind of prize/lottery...and the fools all drive up to collect and WHAMMO IN THE SLAMMO...<---- yeah that sucked I know...

Haha, they're going to draw the old time cheaters back so they can ban them finally. That would be funny. (I know you're just joking, so am I. )

 

[maroite]

"On the 3rd party program detection: as stated we’ve already put in tracking to determine different apps working through the client. We’ve had to continue to update how we parse the information so that we don’t take unfounded action."


Maybe this decade then? This is so old and stale...why don’t you just address this issue once and for all...hearing it's almost there for the last 10 years is pathetic...Believe it or not, I was almost banned for paging on people who...you guessed it...are all banned for cheating now. Either address the issue or make it available to everyone. It's truly unfair to people that don’t use cheat programs to auto-train or auto-heal or auto-gather...what's wrong with you people?

Simple solution, make a shard with no gold...exile all the cheater's accounts there...they can play, and pay...it's a win win for everyone!

UOA can be set up to auto-train/auto gather. . . Maybe not to the extent of some other illegal programs, but the ability is still there.

Not sure if it can auto heal, but it does make healing a lot easier in some ways/cases.

So is it unfair to people who don't want to pay $15 extra dollars for a third party program which makes the game easier that people who do pay $15 extra for said third party program have access to these macros and ease of use settings?

 

[Yalp]

I'd love to see a post from Cal that says..

"For the last month, we've had our GM's in stealth mode on all shards observing the pvp action. From our observations, we've identified actions done by individual players which seem highly suspicious.. such as ...being on foot, outrunning chasing players; while having protect casted, being able to outcast other mages; Instantaneous curing; instantaneous dismount/remount when someone on screen prep's a bola; running through para fields; Running through objects; Looting a corpse dry in 0.5 seconds; These individuals we've observed doing such questionable actions have been flagged by our EM's and we are currently running our third party detection software on these accounts. "

First this would say .... we see it, we know it's wrong and we know whose doing it.
Second, this would say, if you're doing it and you know you're being watched, you're either not gonna log in (which is fine by me.. good riddance) or you're not gonna start up your programs (which is also fine by me.. play fair and level, if you can).

** just a tale to tell.. a known hacking speeding pvp'r decided to turn off his enhancements and try out playing on the up and up. Where we couldn't kill him with 6 people before, we dropped him repeatedly with just 2 then.. over and over.. he was so pissed... turns out he's not the l33t player he boasted he was, and his general chat insults and comments quit... a loser if ever there was one!***

 

[chuckoatl]

I'd love to see a post from Cal that says..

"For the last month, we've had our GM's in stealth mode on all shards observing the pvp action. From our observations, we've identified actions done by individual players which seem highly suspicious.. such as ...being on foot, outrunning chasing players; while having protect casted, being able to outcast other mages; Instantaneous curing; instantaneous dismount/remount when someone on screen prep's a bola; running through para fields; Running through objects; Looting a corpse dry in 0.5 seconds; These individuals we've observed doing such questionable actions have been flagged by our EM's and we are currently running our third party detection software on these accounts. "

First this would say .... we see it, we know it's wrong and we know whose doing it.
Second, this would say, if you're doing it and you know you're being watched, you're either not gonna log in (which is fine by me.. good riddance) or you're not gonna start up your programs (which is also fine by me.. play fair and level, if you can).

** just a tale to tell.. a known hacking speeding pvp'r decided to turn off his enhancements and try out playing on the up and up. Where we couldn't kill him with 6 people before, we dropped him repeatedly with just 2 then.. over and over.. he was so pissed... turns out he's not the l33t player he boasted he was, and his general chat insults and comments quit... a loser if ever there was one!***

The L33T will stay leet. I havent played with anything on in well over `a year. I still get accused of it cause I can get off a horse and remount it to miss a bola, cure my pet "magicly", and can pop a box when I am para'd .

Funniest thing was being accused of hacking because I got a stealther on tracking the other day. I think the kid actually paged on me because my toon was human

 

[Yalp]

I don't for a second believe you can get off a horse in time to avoid a dismount legally. Especially when it's a group fight, the bola is prepped off screen, no overhead names, and multiple people are dumping on the target. It's not humanly possibly for the target to simultaneously cure/heal, t-box, apple, pot chug and dismount remount macro in one fell swoop. It is possible when the computer (through 'enhancements') is doing it for you.

 

[chuckoatl]

I don't for a second believe you can get off a horse in time to avoid a dismount legally. Especially when it's a group fight, the bola is prepped off screen, no overhead names, and multiple people are dumping on the target. It's not humanly possibly for the target to simultaneously cure/heal, t-box, apple, pot chug and dismount remount macro in one fell swoop. It is possible when the computer (through 'enhancements') is doing it for you.

Ya, its hard for me to hit alt-q to dismount, then alt-w to remount. Impossible I say. then I have the daunting task of pressing alt-1 to chug a cure pot, alt-4 to pop a box, and OMG press alt-3 to apple........ Utterly impossible I say. No matter what is doing it for you (human reactions work 100x better than any script) you cant do them all at once. When you try to, you get the message "you must wait to perform another action" which I get alot. Amazing that I can press macros isnt it. I can even cast spells, bola and heal........ Just call me a freak of nature.

Just because it's impossible for you to see what is coming, which is why most good PvPers get accused of cheating, it's not impossible. Once you have been PvPing long enough its second nature to watch above peoples head for spells like poison. When you see it you get ready to macro. If a bola is prepped on your screen you have an internal clock that lets you know when to dismount. When your fighting a dismount archer, fight him on foot. If need be it lets you quickly remount and get away. I know this is hard for you people who scream scripts all the time, but it is possible. Practice makes perfect, not pancakes to developers because you suck.

 

[Sergul'zan_SP]

Ya, its hard for me to hit alt-q to dismount, then alt-w to remount. Impossible I say. then I have the daunting task of pressing alt-1 to chug a cure pot, alt-4 to pop a box, and OMG press alt-3 to apple........ Utterly impossible I say. No matter what is doing it for you (human reactions work 100x better than any script) you cant do them all at once. When you try to, you get the message "you must wait to perform another action" which I get alot. Amazing that I can press macros isnt it. I can even cast spells, bola and heal........ Just call me a freak of nature.

Just because it's impossible for you to see what is coming, which is why most good PvPers get accused of cheating, it's not impossible. Once you have been PvPing long enough its second nature to watch above peoples head for spells like poison. When you see it you get ready to macro. If a bola is prepped on your screen you have an internal clock that lets you know when to dismount. When your fighting a dismount archer, fight him on foot. If need be it lets you quickly remount and get away. I know this is hard for you people who scream scripts all the time, but it is possible. Practice makes perfect, not pancakes to developers because you suck.

All of the above you mentioned isn't cheating...it's just how the game is played. I think the people complaining about cheating are referring to speedhacking and 3rd party programs used for stuff other than PvP.

Personally I think the reason that PvP sucks these days is because of the lack of players. In the old days you could run into somebody in fel, battle, and run away to either get healed or make your getaway with all the lootz you could carry. PvP now carries no reward nor does it carry a purpose.

I'm sorry people...champion spawns aren't PvP. They were implemented to bring trammies to fel so it would look like there are still people there. These trammies either ZERGed up until their numbers were sufficient to outnumber people 9-1 or retreated to the yew gates where "guards" became their battle cry.

UO PvP was about every individual having an opportunity to battle regardless of wealth, guild affiliation, or time available. It is now about how much time you can spend farming items or gold, how many alts you can put in your guild to make it look scary, and how many ways you can find to abuse the available templates.

Conclusion? Cheating is just a *minor* problem in UO PvP. Yes, I agree it should most definitely be fixed with the utmost urgency, but it is not going to make everybody rush to fel to PvP. If you want people in fel, then it needs to be more like it used to be.

 

[HD2300]

Personally I think the reason that PvP sucks these days is because of the lack of players.

They have the players, but they are spread over 25 shards. Community would be 100 times more awesome if the population was consolidated into fewer shards.

 

[chuckoatl]

I can find a fight on atl at almost any hour of the day.

 

[HD2300]

I can find a fight on atl at almost any hour of the day.

A case in point. Atlantic has higher population, and 'I can find a fight on atl at almost any hour of the day'.

PvP was better 4 years ago, and it was because there were double the number of players then. You can blame it on neon pets or other things, but really more players = better PvP. More players = better community.

That is why shards should be consolidated somehow.

 

[Yalp]

Ya, its hard for me to hit alt-q to dismount, then alt-w to remount. Impossible I say. then I have the daunting task of pressing alt-1 to chug a cure pot, alt-4 to pop a box, and OMG press alt-3 to apple........ Utterly impossible I say. No matter what is doing it for you (human reactions work 100x better than any script) you cant do them all at once. When you try to, you get the message "you must wait to perform another action" which I get alot. Amazing that I can press macros isnt it. I can even cast spells, bola and heal........ Just call me a freak of nature.

Just because it's impossible for you to see what is coming, which is why most good PvPers get accused of cheating, it's not impossible. Once you have been PvPing long enough its second nature to watch above peoples head for spells like poison. When you see it you get ready to macro. If a bola is prepped on your screen you have an internal clock that lets you know when to dismount. When your fighting a dismount archer, fight him on foot. If need be it lets you quickly remount and get away. I know this is hard for you people who scream scripts all the time, but it is possible. Practice makes perfect, not pancakes to developers because you suck.

nice try. No one is claiming you can't set up a macro to do all those things, but the ability to see, recognize, process, transmit to the body part to take action, fire neurons to contract muscles, and.. NEVER miss... I mean really.. is anyone buying your bull that humans ability to out think a computer is true? Really? The thousands of computations my watch does in 1 second is far faster than anything my brain can do on a good day. My hard drive is gonna be slower? Really? It's one of the more laughable excuses put forth to try to debunk that there's any real cheating going on.

instantaneous (or in the case of bolaspreemptive) actions on the part of the player are not "skills" or macros.. or good timing.. or good connection.. or legal game play.. it's running a script that reads a bola is in the air toward you, which you can neither see, nor hear.. and dismounting you before it lands, and remounting you the second after it lands. none of which is within the realm of human ability... claim what you will.. we both know the program is out there.

or chugging a pot before you get the message you've been deadly poisoned no.. that's not skills, or faster connection, or better human at the keyboard, or even ESP.. that's a script.

or the ability to chain apples.. no.. that's not better game play.. that's a script...

or being able to outrun everyone while you're on foot.. no that's not a better connection that is a script...

or running protection and still outcasting everyone... no.. that's not a better computer.. that's scripting.

or running full speed through a series of para fields not skipping a beat.. that's not skill or macro or better connection.. that's a script.

 

[Yalp]

Conclusion? Cheating is just a *minor* problem in UO PvP. Yes, I agree it should most definitely be fixed with the utmost urgency, but it is not going to make everybody rush to fel to PvP. If you want people in fel, then it needs to be more like it used to be.

I don't think people will flock to pvp even if they eliminate cheating every which way till sunday. Fel is a place where the strong can take advantage of the weak.. the privileged over the disadvantaged, the rude over the kind, the opportunists over the cooperative. The ability to kill anyone at any time (ok there's exceptions, of course) is what drove the players away from fel. That isn't gonna change with elimination of cheating (which I think will happen when hell freezes over.. I look forward to eating those words).

 

[ATLPvPer]

nice try. No one is claiming you can't set up a macro to do all those things, but the ability to see, recognize, process, transmit to the body part to take action, fire neurons to contract muscles, and.. NEVER miss... I mean really.. is anyone buying your bull that humans ability to out think a computer is true? Really? The thousands of computations my watch does in 1 second is far faster than anything my brain can do on a good day. My hard drive is gonna be slower? Really? It's one of the more laughable excuses put forth to try to debunk that there's any real cheating going on.

instantaneous (or in the case of bolaspreemptive) actions on the part of the player are not "skills" or macros.. or good timing.. or good connection.. or legal game play.. it's running a script that reads a bola is in the air toward you, which you can neither see, nor hear.. and dismounting you before it lands, and remounting you the second after it lands. none of which is within the realm of human ability... claim what you will.. we both know the program is out there.

or chugging a pot before you get the message you've been deadly poisoned no.. that's not skills, or faster connection, or better human at the keyboard, or even ESP.. that's a script.

or the ability to chain apples.. no.. that's not better game play.. that's a script...

or being able to outrun everyone while you're on foot.. no that's not a better connection that is a script...

or running protection and still outcasting everyone... no.. that's not a better computer.. that's scripting.

or running full speed through a series of para fields not skipping a beat.. that's not skill or macro or better connection.. that's a script.

Okay, let me debunk myths that you present us with.
I'm not claiming cheats or scripts do not exist, but the situations you present here are all things a good PvPer can easily do with his own ability.
You 'can' see a bola, it gives a bola message, whereas you dismount yourself. There is no such thing as a script that can somehow read UO game code offscreen where somehow someone somewhere is prepping a bola.
Chain apples? You can only eat them every 12 seconds. If you don't have the ability to press one macro, once every 12 seconds, you should not be attempting PvP.
Outrunning everyone on foot, you've got a point there, that would be speedhacking, a big problem in PvP that will hopefully be fixed soon.
Running protection and casting faster than everyone? That is impossible. It does not happen. I don't know what fairy tale land you PvP in, but speedhacks do not make players faster casters, and in protection you will 'always' be 0 faster casting, regardless of anything you are running. Unless you think the players have found a way to code the game themselves and sneak it into our patches.
Chugging a potion? If I see someone casting In Nox, I can have my finger on the gcure macro, which happens to be on my mouse wheel, which is quite nearby. My reaction time would be much quicker than anything you can muster. A script for curing is ridiculous. I would just continuously poison a player until he is out of pots since he can't control his curing. If you need a script to chug potions, you are not good at PvP and it is a detriment to your overall ability.
Running through para fields? No one can run through them full speed. What they can do, though, is run into one, hit trap box macro, run into another, trap box, another, trap box. I have a G500 mouse, so this allows my trap box macro to be on my mouse, a 4th button. So when I'm simply hitting a mouse button, in your eyes, it must be a script.

Simply put, people are a lot better at PvP than yourself and you do not give them any credit. When you see these things still occurring 'after' all these bannings or whatever happens, I want you to come here and apologize to all the legit fighters you've been accusing for who knows how long.

 

[Yalp]

yes, there are tons of people better at pvp than I am. In fact If you get killed by me, it's cause you were afk, sleeping, logged out in fel w/o hiding, casted some devastating spell on yourself, forgot to cure/heal, or slip yourself an apple. I have never claimed to be some wiz at pvp That is totally beside the point... and you know it.

But let's not bull**** a bull****ter. There's exactly the kinds of scripts running out there that I've described. Yes.. any player can set up macros to do the same thing.. however, and you know it.. the ability to do it instantaneously and without fail is not because someone has some kind of ESP link to the game.. it's cause they are running scripts.

Be better legitimately and I'm happy to point that out. Try to lead the stratics posters that there's just skill involved.. it's crap.. and I have no problem calling it for what it is.. bull.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Its clear that its the hottest topic among us UO players right now, and yet the dev's appear to be dragging their feet on the subject yet again.

A few dozen Stratics posters != hottest topic amongst UO players.

How about they hang off doing the next content update and they all start working on getting this detection system working. Then they can start to work on new game content.

How about they don't and care about what the most players care about, new content and having fun in the game. This game shouldn't be held hostage by a minority.

New events are no good if people are abusing the new event content as well as the old content. A good example is that the new event can not be done in fel without speedhackers trying to kill you, so the new content is useless in fel.

LOL! As many have demonstrated, there aren't really any speedhackers there, nor would it even matter. They're likely on the EC on a clear connection on a good computer, and the way UO works will make it seem like they're running circles around you.

 

[Lord Chaos]

yes, there are tons of people better at pvp than I am. In fact If you get killed by me, it's cause you were afk, sleeping, logged out in fel w/o hiding, casted some devastating spell on yourself, forgot to cure/heal, or slip yourself an apple. I have never claimed to be some wiz at pvp That is totally beside the point... and you know it.

But let's not bull**** a bull****ter. There's exactly the kinds of scripts running out there that I've described. Yes.. any player can set up macros to do the same thing.. however, and you know it.. the ability to do it instantaneously and without fail is not because someone has some kind of ESP link to the game.. it's cause they are running scripts.

Be better legitimately and I'm happy to point that out. Try to lead the stratics posters that there's just skill involved.. it's crap.. and I have no problem calling it for what it is.. bull.

You're absolutely silly. First off, several of the things you describe (like "speedhacking" and other manipulations of the game) is not scripting. That would be external programs.

And btw, noone is casting faster. They can't, its not possible, as its a server cap, no matter how much they cheat. And honestly more real PvP would have noticed and whined by now if it existed.

Secondly. Whatever a script can do automatically, a human can do better and faster. They just need to be attentive and/or have advanced hardware such as G13's, N52's, G19s, etc. then you're way better than any script ever could be.