Attention Devs! My EvalInt isn't worth anything now

[Scarst]

I log on today on my mage who has 120 magery 120 EvalInt and go to the ophidians to commence earthquaking with a reptile slayer and I saw i was only doing 30's when yesterday I was doing 70's so I go to haven and attack an ettin with lightning and only do 14 damage at this point I know it's attacking like I have no EvalInt so I tryied stoning it and reapplying and it's still acting like that.

I'd like this fixed and so it never happens again I've had this character for over 8 years and have spent a lot of time on it. Things like this shouldn't happen and I'd like to bring it to your attention.

 

[Alvinho]

Re: [Attention Devs] My EvalInt isn't worth anything now

[brackets] are for stratics personnel, as was posted before

 

[Yen Sid]

Re: [Attention Devs] My EvalInt isn't worth anything now

[brackets] are for stratics personnel, as was posted before

Wow way to troll, you could have at least added something to help him.

@OP, page a GM as I'm sure your character is bugged cause I don't think the devs added any ninja patches that changed eval.

 

[Flutter]

Re: [Attention Devs] My EvalInt isn't worth anything now

Scarst did you try paging a GM to fix your character?? (its been known to happen on a rare occasion)

 

[Scarst]

Re: [Attention Devs] My EvalInt isn't worth anything now

Wow way to troll, you could have at least added something to help him.

@OP, page a GM as I'm sure your character is bugged cause I don't think the devs added any ninja patches that changed eval.

Thanks but I already did and nothing happened, sorry I didn't know about the bracket thing and I'll change it. I got a canned response and I sent in a bug report and I plan on spamming help request until someone actually comes to help me.

 

[Flutter]

Re: [Attention Devs] My EvalInt isn't worth anything now

You will get a warning if you page too many times and a decent GM isn't on to help you.
Did you do anything at all unusual before you logged out last?
I have heard of other people having this problem although I don't recall ever hearing if it was resolved or not.

 

[Kat]

There was a guy on Siege that had this same problem. GM's wouldn't help and threatened to ban him. He submitted bug reports... or at least said he did... I have no way of knowing for sure. Either way, it was never resolved. He ended up quitting.

 

[Harlequin]

If it was just earthquake, the damage varies according to how much HP the mobs have left.

But if it's affecting lightning as well, then probably bugged. Like what Flutter asked, do you remember what was the last things you did prior to this happening?

Other quack solutions to try if you are not getting a response from GMs, try killing your char or changing race to "reset" your character.

 

[popps]

There was a guy on Siege that had this same problem. GM's wouldn't help and threatened to ban him. He submitted bug reports... or at least said he did... I have no way of knowing for sure. Either way, it was never resolved. He ended up quitting.

I do not understand.

What good does it do not to fix a player's problem with the game when this eventually can loose a subscription to the game ?

Ain't it better for the game to actually fix the problem rather than risk subscriptions ?

It kinda sounds obvious to me but apparently it ain't or, that player would have had the problem fixed and not closed the subscription....

Can someone please explain what is the logic here (i.e. not fix players' problems and risk them closing their subscriptions) because I fail to understand it.

 

[Harlequin]

I do not understand.

What good does it do not to fix a player's problem with the game when this eventually can loose a subscription to the game ?

Ain't it better for the game to actually fix the problem rather than risk subscriptions ?

It kinda sounds obvious to me but apparently it ain't or, that player would have had the problem fixed and not closed the subscription....

Can someone please explain what is the logic here (i.e. not fix players' problems and risk them closing their subscriptions) because I fail to understand it.

GMs are employees. They get paid the same whether they send canned responses or actually managed to help someone.

It doesn't occur to most working Joes including ourselves, that if the company loses its customers due to poor quality of service from them, this means their job is at stake. Unfortunately, this happens at management levels too, when they are looking at which dept to cut costs on.

I am not sure what country GMs are staffed at currently, how many GM staff there are dedicated to UO and whether these are generic staff shared between multiple EA games that may not fully understand UO's mechanics.

But it seems that the GMs are perpetually understaffed and taught to send canned messages first.

 

[LordDrago]

Scarst,

Another possible solution is to soulstone off EvalInt (and maybe magery), raise the skills a bit, then soulstone them back on. This may also reset your character in regards to how this is working.

 

[Scarst]

You will get a warning if you page too many times and a decent GM isn't on to help you.
Did you do anything at all unusual before you logged out last?
I have heard of other people having this problem although I don't recall ever hearing if it was resolved or not.

Yeah I figured I'd get a warning if i did plus i don't have the patience to wait 17 hours to go off 4 requests for help. And I just sent a request just now and got another canned response this time from GM Fiper, gotta collect them all, saying the same thing except adding "we will not replace any lost or stolen items" not sure what gave the impression my evaluating intelligence was an item but okay.

Before I logged the last few things I did were kill ophidians, go to my house and stack my blackrock then talk to someone in guild chat and check my 7 plants. Only thing strange there is that I'm growing plants.

Scarst,

Another possible solution is to soulstone off EvalInt (and maybe magery), raise the skills a bit, then soulstone them back on. This may also reset your character in regards to how this is working.

I tryied dying it was pretty much my first thought after taking the skill off checking my lightning on another ettin (same damage) which raised me to 2.5 evalint and then stoning it back on.

I have not tryied changing race mostly because I don't want to be an elf, no offense, because if I change it and it doesn't work I'm stuck because without evalint I can barely kill an ettin let alone ice fiends and efreets.

What really ticks me off is the fact they refuse to help me when it's clearly something that wont fix itself and I can't get back on my own or with any players help unless I rebuild the whole dang character which I really don't have the gold to buy all the scrolls. And with my luck even if I did I'd get the same bug the next day.

(I'd rather get banned trying and tic off a few jerk GM's than just cancel my subscription, either way if it doesn't get fixed I think I'm done.)

 

[Flutter]

Ya they aren't helping you because they don't understand the problem. You have to get really lucky and get a GM that plays (I thought Fiper did but I guess not)

Do you have another character you can stone the eval and magery to just to see if it works?

I would try a lot of goofy stuff like.... go buy it up from the Haven NPC, work it to 50... then get it off the stone? I mean I really don't know I am just fishing here.

 

[Farsight]

Good thoughts Flutter!

He tried those too. No dice. His character just doesn't accept that Evaluating Intelligence is a skill that has anything to do with magery. I've never seen anything like it.

On the other hand, it was fun stripping naked and having him hit me for 18 damage with energy bolts/explosions!

 

[Scarst]

Yeah, that was awful.

And no Rotep Is my only mage that is scrolled up which is why I'm upset really because it took me along time to get the scrolls, I mean if the scrolls were easy I could just remake the character which I really don't want to do but I have enough soul stones to move any thing that actually mattered, Short of emailing the developers or something I have to clue what I can do besides keep paging.

 

[Flutter]

Hmm ya I don't have the scrolls to donate to ya either.
Maybe send that Mark dev a PM?
I mean it's worth a try.

 

[Scarst]

No idea who mark is and I don't want to be a charity case, I'd just like to be able to play how the game was meant to be played, with all the skills working, and have some fun. Having to complain about something that shouldn't be happening isn't what I want to do on UO.

 

[Beleg Megil]

Mark Mystic

Anyway, Scarst if you are on meet me at Knights Rest, I got some ideas. You won't like them. Wear a cup.

 

[G.v.P]

I log on today on my mage who has 120 magery 120 EvalInt and go to the ophidians to commence earthquaking with a reptile slayer and I saw i was only doing 30's when yesterday I was doing 70's so I go to haven and attack an ettin with lightning and only do 14 damage at this point I know it's attacking like I have no EvalInt so I tryied stoning it and reapplying and it's still acting like that.

I'd like this fixed and so it never happens again I've had this character for over 8 years and have spent a lot of time on it. Things like this shouldn't happen and I'd like to bring it to your attention.

Well, I understand your problem is that Eval doesn't seem to work at all, according to Farsight, however, after 8 years of playing the game you should know that slayers don't affect EQ and as someone else mentioned, EQ depends on the target's max HP and % of HP left in addition to their physical resist.

 

[Beleg Megil]

Quick related questions before I ruin Scarst's character forever:

Race change tokens. Will they screw up or negate any of his stat/skill scrolls? I don't want his cap to drop back down to 100 in anything.

Also Race Change Tokens: Is there a timer? If I get him to use one today to go to Elf, will he be able to use another immediately to come back to human? Is there a timer? Or worse, can you only use a race change token once per character ever?

Edit: One more question. Something tells me a long time ago there was a problem with someone that could not gain skill anymore even though they had room and it was determined that the "death" fix worked to solve that but only if it was death by poison. Did I dream that?

I searched but had no luck finding the answers.

 

[Beleg Megil]

Ok, Race Change tokens didn't work and killing him with poison didn't work. Now I'm gonna bug the crap out of GMs til they fix him.

 

[Flutter]

No idea who mark is and I don't want to be a charity case, I'd just like to be able to play how the game was meant to be played, with all the skills working, and have some fun. Having to complain about something that shouldn't be happening isn't what I want to do on UO.

I wouldn't consider it a charity case. If I have scrolls I don't mind sharing, sadly the best I could probably do would be 115s.

Try umm dying and then self ressing? Dying and then crossing a server line to res? hmmm...

 

[Jasonleebeck]

@OP,

Do you have another char with Eval on them? No matter what amount, did you consider trying on their eval on this char? Did you kill yourself initially with eval on, or without eval on? With no eval on this bugged character, did you try using items with eval on them and attacking stuff to see if there's a difference between real and shown?

...just throwing out ideas, hope you get it working.

 

[Scarst]

@OP,

Do you have another char with Eval on them? No matter what amount, did you consider trying on their eval on this char? Did you kill yourself initially with eval on, or without eval on? With no eval on this bugged character, did you try using items with eval on them and attacking stuff to see if there's a difference between real and shown?

...just throwing out ideas, hope you get it working.

I've tried a lot of things but not the item one I've tested with and without eval and gaining a bit of eval, I only have one mage on the shard with eval int the other one only has magery as travel because he's a tamer. But I did lower my EvalInt by .1 to see if it reset my eval and it did nothing tomarrow I'll get it back to 120 and see if that has any effect. but at this point I figure it's a glitch in the game caused by my character identification number or something.

Thanks for the ideas.

 

[Stupid Miner]

I log on today on my mage who has 120 magery 120 EvalInt and go to the ophidians to commence earthquaking with a reptile slayer and I saw i was only doing 30's when yesterday I was doing 70's so I go to haven and attack an ettin with lightning and only do 14 damage at this point I know it's attacking like I have no EvalInt so I tryied stoning it and reapplying and it's still acting like that.

I'd like this fixed and so it never happens again I've had this character for over 8 years and have spent a lot of time on it. Things like this shouldn't happen and I'd like to bring it to your attention.

Skimmed the thread so someone may have suggested this. Try soulstoning the skill off and back on?

 

[DarkVoid]

I log on today on my mage who has 120 magery 120 EvalInt and go to the ophidians to commence earthquaking with a reptile slayer and I saw i was only doing 30's when yesterday I was doing 70's so I go to haven and attack an ettin with lightning and only do 14 damage at this point I know it's attacking like I have no EvalInt so I tryied stoning it and reapplying and it's still acting like that.

I'd like this fixed and so it never happens again I've had this character for over 8 years and have spent a lot of time on it. Things like this shouldn't happen and I'd like to bring it to your attention.

Question: Have you tried using the EvalInt skill (at 120) on a NPC, creature, or monster while on the affected character? To uise the EvalInt skill, open paperdoll and click skills button, or use Alt-k keyboard shortcut in 2D. Then find the EvalInt skill in the menu wherever it is, and try using it with the button next to it.

If successful, you should get the message about what their level of intelligence is. Actually using the EvalInt skill may reset it so the game will start calculating it again. It should work, theoretically, on anything from mongbats to high-end champs, so you don't need anything very powerful or dangerous to try it out on.

If this is not successful, please post a response including what it told you.

 

[Jasonleebeck]

Question: Have you tried using the EvalInt skill (at 120) on a NPC, creature, or monster while on the affected character? To uise the EvalInt skill, open paperdoll and click skills button, or use Alt-k keyboard shortcut in 2D. Then find the EvalInt skill in the menu wherever it is, and try using it with the button next to it.

If successful, you should get the message about what their level of intelligence is. Actually using the EvalInt skill may reset it so the game will start calculating it again. It should work, theoretically, on anything from mongbats to high-end champs, so you don't need anything very powerful or dangerous to try it out on.

If this is not successful, please post a response including what it told you.

This makes me think of the honor bug.

@OP - do you honor stuff/yourself? Use virtues at all? Do you get 'error' messages when trying to use a virtue?

 

[Scarst]

Question: Have you tried using the EvalInt skill (at 120) on a NPC, creature, or monster while on the affected character? To uise the EvalInt skill, open paperdoll and click skills button, or use Alt-k keyboard shortcut in 2D. Then find the EvalInt skill in the menu wherever it is, and try using it with the button next to it.

If successful, you should get the message about what their level of intelligence is. Actually using the EvalInt skill may reset it so the game will start calculating it again. It should work, theoretically, on anything from mongbats to high-end champs, so you don't need anything very powerful or dangerous to try it out on.

If this is not successful, please post a response including what it told you.

This makes me think of the honor bug.

@OP - do you honor stuff/yourself? Use virtues at all? Do you get 'error' messages when trying to use a virtue?

I log on today on my mage who has 120 magery 120 EvalInt and go to the ophidians to commence earthquaking with a reptile slayer and I saw i was only doing 30's when yesterday I was doing 70's so I go to haven and attack an ettin with lightning and only do 14 damage at this point I know it's attacking like I have no EvalInt so I tryied stoning it and reapplying and it's still acting like that.

I'd like this fixed and so it never happens again I've had this character for over 8 years and have spent a lot of time on it. Things like this shouldn't happen and I'd like to bring it to your attention.

Question: Have you tried using the EvalInt skill (at 120) on a NPC, creature, or monster while on the affected character? To uise the EvalInt skill, open paperdoll and click skills button, or use Alt-k keyboard shortcut in 2D. Then find the EvalInt skill in the menu wherever it is, and try using it with the button next to it.

If successful, you should get the message about what their level of intelligence is. Actually using the EvalInt skill may reset it so the game will start calculating it again. It should work, theoretically, on anything from mongbats to high-end champs, so you don't need anything very powerful or dangerous to try it out on.

If this is not successful, please post a response including what it told you.

I actually used the skill on Farsight and it worked how it should have it's just the damage portion of it.

I do have compassion and I honored things up to seeker awhile before this happened. But that was a few weeks back for the honor thing.

 

[Beleth of Atlantic]

Keep trying to get in touch with a dev team member. They can easily delete and remake your character for you.

Only other idea that comes to mind is.. a character transfer. Move from one server to another and back but it is a pricey test.

Maybe drop eval int to 119.9 then re-raise to 120?

 

[AirmidCecht]

I suggest you walk 8 steps forward, then 3 steps back, turn once (once only!), drink 5 sips of ale, eat an orange petal, walk 3 steps forward, then 8 steps back....

Seriously...do we need a vuvuzela here? How can you tell if it's a character bug unless a kind GM visits the character in game? Color me sad for Scarst.

 

[Harlequin]

I suggest you walk 8 steps forward, then 3 steps back, turn once (once only!), drink 5 sips of ale, eat an orange petal, walk 3 steps forward, then 8 steps back....

Seriously...do we need a vuvuzela here? How can you tell if it's a character bug unless a kind GM visits the character in game? Color me sad for Scarst.

Unfortunately, for some reason, the GM thinks the OP has lost an item and cannot "replace" it...

OP, don't over page and risk getting suspended/banned. PM Cal instead. He should be able to assign someone to look into your issue and what is causing the GM team to suffer an astonishing lack of product knowledge.

 

[Scarst]

I've paged twice once saturday when I found it happened and once sunday morning and I plan to do it monday after noon with the fact I've filed a bug report and again saying whats wrong and that I've tryied several things on my own including but not limited to change race stoning the skill trying to set it down and back up .1 dying, dying by poison, going through a house teleporter (don't ask), and paging a gm twice and getting a canned response twice once the GM evidently didn't read it or misread because they though it was an item.

 

[Harlequin]

I've paged twice once saturday when I found it happened and once sunday morning and I plan to do it monday after noon with the fact I've filed a bug report and again saying whats wrong and that I've tryied several things on my own including but not limited to change race stoning the skill trying to set it down and back up .1 dying, dying by poison, going through a house teleporter (don't ask), and paging a gm twice and getting a canned response twice once the GM evidently didn't read it or misread because they though it was an item.

To give them the benefit of doubt, it could be an auto reply rule that upon finding keywords like lose, lost, loss, missing, gone etc prompts GMs to reply using a certain template. Maybe all the GMs do when they see this is click "yes to all".

Or maybe they are swarmed with so many pages that they don't have time to look into the issues properly.

Or maybe the are severely understaffed.

Or maybe they are using canned messages to filter off calls, and since people give up after a while, they might be thinking the problem was resolved by telling players they cannot replace items.

Or maybe the GMs lack product knowledge/training.

Or maybe they lack motivation. Job sucks, no career advancement prospects. Repeated mass layoffs.

These are management issues that the company can improve on.



Now, what is not excusable is if it's due to GMs being irresponsible temps that aren't serious about their jobs,

Or due to the GMs are outsourced to a different company that doesn't give a damn about their service levels other than showing how many tickets they close a day,

Or because they don't care and don't realize this is detrimental to EA's customer base and ultimately their jobs.

Or because the GMs are lazy bums that would rather have a doughnut break, IM all day and play facebook games than to work,

Then this is a staffing problem that needs to be dealt with harshly. I am generally positive on most things, but am riled by dead weight not doing their own job and undermining the genuine hard work that the devs and others are putting in.

 

[Winker]

I log on today on my mage who has 120 magery 120 EvalInt and go to the ophidians to commence earthquaking with a reptile slayer and I saw i was only doing 30's when yesterday I was doing 70's so I go to haven and attack an ettin with lightning and only do 14 damage at this point I know it's attacking like I have no EvalInt so I tryied stoning it and reapplying and it's still acting like that.

I'd like this fixed and so it never happens again I've had this character for over 8 years and have spent a lot of time on it. Things like this shouldn't happen and I'd like to bring it to your attention.

I had this last week on my mage, very same thing! I called a GM he said the problem was unable to be fixed by him and i had to submit a bug to [email protected].

But here is how i fixed it my self:

I tryed to stone eval int on and off that didnt work.

What did work for me was putting 120 Focus on and 120 Mystic, taking off magery and eval int.

I tryed the damage from the mystic and it was working properly, so i then stoned the Focus and the mystic and put the magery and eval back on, which fixed the problem for me.

Hope this helps

 

[maroite]

I have had a GM help me/fix my character when I had problems with skills/quests not working correctly... on multiple times and occasions.

I don't think I have ever been told they couldn't help me.

Maybe its the way you're wording your page? ...

 

[Scarst]

I had this last week on my mage, very same thing! I called a GM he said the problem was unable to be fixed by him and i had to submit a bug to [email protected].

But here is how i fixed it my self:

I tryed to stone eval int on and off that didnt work.

What did work for me was putting 120 Focus on and 120 Mystic, taking off magery and eval int.

I tryed the damage from the mystic and it was working properly, so i then stoned the Focus and the mystic and put the magery and eval back on, which fixed the problem for me.

Hope this helps

I kind of already have mysticism on him and had imbuing but stoned it awhile ago to finish my inscription. I'll try putting imbuing back on and casting.

 

[Scarst]

Sorry, to double post but what winker told me to do worked I put imbuing back on and lightninged myself and did 12 instead of the 4's I'd been doing.

Thank you everyone who gave me suggestions and Winker for knowing how to fix it without a dev or GM, I really appreciate it.

 

[Winker]

Sorry, to double post but what winker told me to do worked I put imbuing back on and lightninged myself and did 12 instead of the 4's I'd been doing.

Thank you everyone who gave me suggestions and Winker for knowing how to fix it without a dev or GM, I really appreciate it.

Happy its fixed it for you

 

[G.v.P]

Sorry, to double post but what winker told me to do worked

cool

 

[Jasonleebeck]

Good deal Scarst

And good thinking Winker !

 

[Saint of Killers]

This just happened to a friend of mine 3 days ago. We couldn't figure out how to fix it.

Thanks for the solution! I'll let him know.

 

[Uvtha]

GMs are employees. They get paid the same whether they send canned responses or actually managed to help someone.

It doesn't occur to most working Joes including ourselves, that if the company loses its customers due to poor quality of service from them, this means their job is at stake. Unfortunately, this happens at management levels too, when they are looking at which dept to cut costs on.

I am not sure what country GMs are staffed at currently, how many GM staff there are dedicated to UO and whether these are generic staff shared between multiple EA games that may not fully understand UO's mechanics.

But it seems that the GMs are perpetually understaffed and taught to send canned messages first.

Im willing to bet that the GMs are pretty constricted about what they can and cannot do. I think getting mad at them is the same as getting mad at a cashier at the drug store because the price on the ice cream is wrong, and they cant do anything about it.

Thats not excusing poor CS. I just think its wrong to blame it on the GMs. All of the GMs I've dealt with have been very prompt and helpful. I think they do what they can, and yes, I'm sure some of them are morons.

But to the OP I would just page a GM. Page late night if you can, thats when all the nice ones seem to be working.