Devs please - Protect us already :(

[Lord Chaos]

No one called him a troll.

 

[Lord Chaos]

So you basically not only want all the rules that currently apply today to "secure log-out" areas extended to every tile of the game but also want those rules modified so that you log out instantly if you recently took damage from a monster, something that doesn't even happen today in your house?

Uhm no? Come on, you're smarter than this, it clearly states a GRACE period where you're in some way protected, during that period combay ceases and you're not attacked, though once this grace period expires you are still there and attackable. So its fairly useless as a log out mechanism.

 

[Lord Frodo]

And yes, I have reinstalled both UOA and UO, that didn't help. UOA has been borky for ages. It no longer stops veteran reward pop-ups and it doesn't stop the whole doubleclick pathfind/follow thing.

The crashes happen at several different moments. But its most often when I am moving, like if bandaging the pet and then moving, looting and accidently have activated pathfinding/follow at the same time, moving shot when on archer and so on.

It also sometimes happens when a renowned spawn, if I am house teleporting to Abyss and several other situations.

I don,t know what your problem with UOA is but mine stops the Vet reward for me with no problem.

As to your crash problem, how much garbage do you have running in your background on your computer and how good is your internet provider? You want UO/EA to fix a problem that doesn't effect everyone usnig CC/UOA just so you can be safe. I known things happen while I play UO (12 years) and if my computer stops or I lose my connection (due to provider/my fault) I am not going to whine to UO to fix what may be my problem.

If there is a problem with the CC crashing you would think there would be posts all over this forum asking for a fix. Yours looks like the only one as of now and most of your posts appear to be centered around protecting YOU from big bad UO so YOU don't lose anything.

As to your 2 min. grace period is a joke. Shutdown/reboot/reload user/reload UO/relog back into UO takes longer then 2 min. so you are dead anyway. Your solution solves nothing. You just want to whine about UO.

 

[Tina Small]

So you basically not only want all the rules that currently apply today to "secure log-out" areas extended to every tile of the game but also want those rules modified so that you log out instantly if you recently took damage from a monster, something that doesn't even happen today in your house?

Uhm no? Come on, you're smarter than this, it clearly states a GRACE period where you're in some way protected, during that period combay ceases and you're not attacked, though once this grace period expires you are still there and attackable. So its fairly useless as a log out mechanism.

So you not only really want the secure log-out rules extended to every tile in the game with special rules that don't even apply when you log out in your house (i.e., you can insta-log within seconds of taking monster damage), but you also want programming to bring you back online in two minutes with all your stuff safe and sound?

 

[Ransom_of_BiC]

You can't discuss a "fix" for a perceived problem without discussing the problem's causes.

Agreed.

Also, I call cow-poo to the 'worse than ever' statement. If he played at all during the fail launch that was AoS-- then he definitely crashed more than now.

 

[RawHeadRex]

chaos did you check event viewer yet to see if something is conflicting with your rig ? just asking.

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

I never said it enhances game play. I'm just stating a fact. If you hunt in some areas and you die (for whatever reason) you may not make it back to your body in time. It's a risk we all take.

A crashing client is not a balance issue. If it's crashing because of a problem with your computer, it seems to me as though that would be your problem to fix, not the dev team's.

This is an obvious stability issue, and not dealing with just his computer. I have two comps...and UO crashes on both of them...one is a fresh install. This happens daily...a common occurrence. I crash at least 3 times a day regardless of WHICH computer I play with. Just because you seem to be a lucky one does not discount any of this from happening...I suggest you poke around.

 

[Supreem]

I'm going to stick my head in here and say this:

If you are experiencing issues with the classic client crashing, please make sure you mail in your crash information in the dialog that pops up. This information makes it much easier for us to hunt down and fix these crashes.

Thanks!

 

[Flutter]

I crashed once this past week. It actually surprised me since it doesn't happen very often to me.

 

[Luc of Legends]

LOL Supreem you beat me to the punch

Chaso, I feel Devs cant fix the stablility if we dont send in bug reports. That be like take your car to the shop and saying fix my car it doesnt work. No discribtion of what sound its making or what is or isnt doing. Another example going to the Dr and say i dont feel good.. not tell where or what hurts, or feels wrong. Cant help you unless you tell them where to look and what to look at in your body.


Petra ask you some direct queston which i find interesting that instead of answering you get defensive.

Sorry but there are enough expliots in UO llets not give the cheaters an other one.

Instead of "grace-period", send in the bug report so they can Fix the car right and find the REAL issue not band-aid fix it so you dont loose aids or pots.

Aids and pot are expendable.. make more.. i make my own aids and pots.. Boring as hell but i save gold.

Your fix is like adults wearing diapers... OMG i might soil myself guess i will wear diapers (not talking about peeps incontients as they cant help it but normal peeps with no urniary or colon issues)

Sorry but no to "Grace periods".. i have died to crashes and lost all my stuff on me.. oh well i get more stuff. Ask any i pick up more **** at legends banks then most newbies. Yes crashing and loose my goodies sucks but oh well life goes on.

I like to see the stablility fix tho but no this way.

 

[Ozymandies]

When I crashed the other day, my client just disappeared from my screen. The executable ended w/out warning. I was flying through the royal city and "poof", client gone. Tried to reproduce it but couldn't.

oZ

 

[RawHeadRex]

ten to one Chaos responds with, "why should I have to..." type of response ?

 

[Black Sun]

Be nice.

 

[RawHeadRex]

Be nice.

you're right, I apologize Chaos. Please submit the crash report.

 

[Kat]

When I crashed the other day, my client just disappeared from my screen. The executable ended w/out warning. I was flying through the royal city and "poof", client gone. Tried to reproduce it but couldn't.

oZ

That has happened to me a couple of times over the past 2-3 months. "Poof" client gone, no warning or error gump, no message, nothing. Once was while going through one of my own gates. Another was while I was doing something with a vendor, but I can't remember what, exactly.

 

[cdavbar]

No, my statement is correct for me, I have never crashed as much and as often since the last major patch. Never in the over 12 years I've played.
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Maybe its your ISP? I never had connection problems until Comcast won their battle with the FCC in the Supreme Courts. Now its so bad it isnt funny. I have great connection speeds of 20-40ms but here and there my entire connection drops for a split second causing UO and Team Speak to crash.

Just a thought as the second poster added with time this game has become more stable and the majority of crashing issues are either ISP problems or your own computer problems.

 

[Lord Chaos]

I'm going to stick my head in here and say this:

If you are experiencing issues with the classic client crashing, please make sure you mail in your crash information in the dialog that pops up. This information makes it much easier for us to hunt down and fix these crashes.

Thanks!

Well, thanks Supreem.

If you made a grace period it would be a lot easier for us to mail our crash information to you, instead of having to shut it down as fast as possible to frantically try and save our characters.

 

[canary]

Well, thanks Supreem.

If you made a grace period it would be a lot easier for us to mail our crash information to you, instead of having to shut it down as fast as possible to frantically try and save our characters.

The potential for abuse of what you want to happen would be astounding.

 

[Dermott of LS]

...

Enhanced Client, no crashes here.

Just sayin'

 

[Lord Chaos]

Chaso, I feel Devs cant fix the stablility if we dont send in bug reports.

I will take this very slowly as people seems to have a really hard time understanding this.

This
thread
is
not
about
fixing
client
stability
issues

That be like take your car to the shop and saying fix my car it doesnt work.

No, its like telling an manufacturer that you'd really like for their model to come with airbags because many people die or are maimed due to the lack of airbags of their models.

Then some annoying guy comes a long and tells me to instead of asking for airbags, I should instead submit a bug report about my car crash.

Instead of "grace-period", send in the bug report so they can Fix the car right and find the REAL issue not band-aid fix it so you dont loose aids or pots.

Bug reports fixes issues beyond the client? wow, can they do my dishes too hehehe

Honestly, quit being silly.

 

[Lord Chaos]

The potential for abuse of what you want to happen would be astounding.

Like what? I've asked a few times and no one has been able to come up with any significant abuse possibilities with this.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Agreed.

Also, I call cow-poo to the 'worse than ever' statement. If he played at all during the fail launch that was AoS-- then he definitely crashed more than now.

I almost never crashed during AOS, even during the mad dash for houseplots. It was mostly the server that was unstable and crashprone/telestormprone/revertprone.

 

[Lord Chaos]

So you not only really want the secure log-out rules extended to every tile in the game with special rules that don't even apply when you log out in your house (i.e., you can insta-log within seconds of taking monster damage), but you also want programming to bring you back online in two minutes with all your stuff safe and sound?

No, its not that hard to do, as they've already things that are in the same area. Its no more hard than simply to check if the client is no more sending data and then enter grace period, in this grace period you are now invisible/logged out or whatever solution there is. As soon as the server recieves a log in on that char again, it cancels the protection and resumes.

This is one of the "features" of UO that puts the game in a negative light compared to other games and it brings nothing good to the game, why keep it?

 

[Lord Chaos]

This is an obvious stability issue, and not dealing with just his computer. I have two comps...and UO crashes on both of them...one is a fresh install. This happens daily...a common occurrence. I crash at least 3 times a day regardless of WHICH computer I play with. Just because you seem to be a lucky one does not discount any of this from happening...I suggest you poke around.

Most I know has stability issues too. All after the new patch.

 

[cdavbar]

Bug reports fixes issues beyond the client? wow, can they do my dishes too hehehe

Honestly, quit being silly.

Here you just said it yourself. There is more issues than the client itself. HINT YOUR computer, YOUR settings, YOUR ISP or connection to the internet.

 

[LordDrago]

LC, I suspect that you do not want to hear this, but this is a stability issue. What you are looking for is a bandage on a symptom, and not a cure for the problem.

While this might work, it is probably even more likely to result in additional exploits. Additionally, programing "bandages" rather than "cures" is a very poor method, and in the long run will likely cause significant problems in the future.

Also, if as you say, you are being ganked after your client crashes, take a snapshot of your screen of the crash dialogue box when it comes up, then log back in and save what you can. Then, once safe, use your screenshot to send in the crash report. The extra step should only take a couple of extra seconds, and may result in greater stability of the client so you will not crash if a solution is found.

 

[Black Sun]

This
thread
is
not
about
fixing
client
stability
issues

You don't seem to be able to see past the end of your nose. Everyone is trying to tell you that if you fix the client stability issues you won't need this fix.

 

[Dermott of LS]

...

But Black Sun... getting God Mode is so much more important than fixing the problem.

 

[Pawain]

I will stick to the topic.

NO! I do not want a grace period!

 

[Basara]

Actually, it's not unreasonable to have unflagged people autolog from a real crash. But, how can one tell the difference?

Do note that if you LOG OUT, your pet logs out - but if you CRASH, your pet doesn't log out - which means the game doesn't know you're not there.

There's why it probably won't happen. the actual nature of a real client crash means that the game usually takes a few minutes to realize ou're not there.

 

[Konge]

No, my statement is correct for me, I have never crashed as much and as often since the last major patch. Never in the over 12 years I've played.

Other than that, no, its just no fun going off hunting and then die due to no fault of your own and its unpreventable.

It not a challenge, its just dying with no chance whatsoever and its getting really tiring.

Every idea you have is correct to you, that's what makes it your idea. Whether or not it's correct in the real world is a different subject.

You used the word ever, while, that is subjective and can mean different things to others, it is assumed that by ever you mean "of all time." Not just "since I started play."

Thus, in short, your post was "my opinion is correct for me."

But to the OP.

You really love this game to be easy mode, don't you?

That do you loose by dieing?

Some GP, some fame, some resources, and maybe, just maybe, faction loss.

Not really any reason to change it. Not to mention, being disconnected for 2 minutes to instant log would change anything, as you'd probably be killed before the 2 minutes anyone.

Yay +1 postcount!

 

[Lord Chaos]

You don't seem to be able to see past the end of your nose. Everyone is trying to tell you that if you fix the client stability issues you won't need this fix.

Honestly, are you trying to troll?

Name me ONE single fix to the client that can resolve external issues beyond the client?

I've told this about 10 times now, this topic is not about fixing the client, its about fixing a much larger problem that affects the UO playing experience, which is that we stay logged in and pummeled to death if we get disconnected/crash or whatnot. It doesn't matter WHY people get disconnected/crash or otherwise unable to control their character, it matters that they DO get it, always have and always will.

 

[Lord Chaos]

You really love this game to be easy mode, don't you?

This has nothing to do with easy or hard whatsoever.

That do you loose by dieing?

Some GP, some fame, some resources, and maybe, just maybe, faction loss.

Time getting ressed, time getting back, possible loot, time restocking, etc. etc. And in some cases, in case of closed areas, it can be hard or impossible to get back. This is fine if you died due to the game and playing, but to die because of things beyond that just sucks.

Not really any reason to change it. Not to mention, being disconnected for 2 minutes to instant log would change anything, as you'd probably be killed before the 2 minutes anyone.

Several other UO players have reported issues on this forum, a request from many UO players definetly makes it something for the devs to look into. Other than that, you completely misunderstood what was requested.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Actually, it's not unreasonable to have unflagged people autolog from a real crash. But, how can one tell the difference?

Do you need to? It doesn't actually give you any benefits beyond what you can already do.

Do note that if you LOG OUT, your pet logs out - but if you CRASH, your pet doesn't log out - which means the game doesn't know you're not there.

Don't know about you, but my pets logs out when I crash, hence part of my problem, my tamer gets chewed up because the pet isn't there anymore.

The game does know that you're not there, the system is just set up to react to the log out process.

There's why it probably won't happen. the actual nature of a real client crash means that the game usually takes a few minutes to realize ou're not there.

That is not true.

 

[Lord Chaos]

I will stick to the topic.

NO! I do not want a grace period!

Thank you. Though a bit more reasoning would be nice, why don't you want it? You like dying to things beyond your gameplaying? Or does it just not affect you?

 

[Black Sun]

Honestly, are you trying to troll?

Name me ONE single fix to the client that can resolve external issues beyond the client?

I've told this about 10 times now, this topic is not about fixing the client, its about fixing a much larger problem that affects the UO playing experience, which is that we stay logged in and pummeled to death if we get disconnected/crash or whatnot. It doesn't matter WHY people get disconnected/crash or otherwise unable to control their character, it matters that they DO get it, always have and always will.

If I wanted to troll you I would. No, what trying to do is get you to realize that if you fix the problems causing the crash (client side) this system would be an unnecessary fix. And frankly (I'm sure I'm not alone here) I would rather see dev time and resources going into making a more stable client, not a bandaid for a problem that's easily solved.

As for your external problems (ie. outside the client, on your machine) causing crashes, well if you're gaming on an unstable rig that's your problem, not ours. No need to waste precious resources to make a fix because Joe gamer is running out of date software full of conflicts and other bugs that cause him to crash every 20 minutes.

You can beg me to "stay on topic" all you want, but whether you like it or not you can't discuss a fix for a problem without discussing the problem.

 

[Lord Chaos]

No, what trying to do is get you to realize that if you fix the problems causing the crash (client side) this system would be an unnecessary fix.

Uhm, no it isn't.

And frankly (I'm sure I'm not alone here) I would rather see dev time and resources going into making a more stable client, not a bandaid for a problem that's easily solved.

Its not easily solved, in fact its UNSOLVABLE in and of itself.

As for your external problems (ie. outside the client, on your machine) causing crashes, well if you're gaming on an unstable rig that's your problem, not ours. No need to waste precious resources to make a fix because Joe gamer is running out of date software full of conflicts and other bugs that cause him to crash every 20 minutes.

Who says anything about unstable rigs? Its completely stable, everything plays and runs flawlessly without any errors at any time and the system is up to date. The only problem is UO. This is also problems beyond the rig itself, like for instance distance to game server, connection stability (as UO has very little protection against connection instability unlike just about every other MMO out there, its also a lot more sensitive towards it.)

You can beg me to "stay on topic" all you want, but whether you like it or not you can't discuss a fix for a problem without discussing the problem.

Thats called a strawman, you're making up a problem which isn't the topic and then you're arguing against that.

 

[Lord Chaos]

But ok Black Sun, lets assume you're serious here for a moment.

And lets assume that the devs fix any and all current issues. (like they've fixed the insurance bug and others, lol)

Can you then guarantee that for all time forward there will never be released any patches that in any way crash, has instabilities or gives other problems?

 

[Lord Chaos]

Oh yeah, and its pretty funny that people whine for days on end about a minor change of having to spend slightly more time to fill pitchers instead of using endless pitchers, yet wanting a change that cuts down on a lot of downtime and removes un fun parts of the game, is just a biiiiiig no-no to talk about, LOL.

More likely this is simply a case of cluster-trolling.

 

[Magdalene]

This cluster has reached its end.

 

[Black Sun]

Who says anything about unstable rigs?

You did just a few posts back.

Name me ONE single fix to the client that can resolve external issues beyond the client?

If there are no issues with the client, it must be something outside the client. Hence not a problem that the UO staff should need to worry about. You're the worst pendulum poster I have ever met. One minute it's the client, next it's external problems, then it's the client again. Make up your mind.

Or don't. I really don't care anymore. I'm through with this thread. Rather than waste more of my time trying to get you to see logic I'm going to go do something productive. Like trying to turn lead into gold.