My opinion on the Fel book..

[hen]

I'm glad it was the last two books that were in Fel and not the first two.

 

[Evlar]

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Did any of those people try talking to the pvprs? I'm pretty sure one or two on Atl had spirit speak.

I wouldn't ask if I didn't know for a fact that having good manners goes a long way in Fel. If anyone asked them politely if they could get the book and maybe get a gate, they (in all likelihood) would have let them. It also helps if people keep a good sense of humor in fel... some feed (as it were) off your anger and frustration.

Before anyone says it... no, you probably shouldn't have to ask politely of someone if you could finish the quest, but having good manners will get you things in game you wouldn't get otherwise. rolleyes:

Fyi... running from a red or most other pvpr's is like running from a bear. If you run, they WILL chase you. You'd be better off just playing dead or trying to reason with them. In other words, people need to quit acting like victims and try a different tact.

This

For all the complaints I read about rampant PK'ing back in the old days, or now for that matter, I've never suffered from it personally. Yes, I had characters randomly killed from time to time, but never found it to be a big problem. You know why? Because I actually talk to the other players.

I didn't run off waving my arms around. Sometimes talking didn't work, but most of the time, it did. In actual fact, I gained. I learned other play styles, got tips on defence, who to look out for, who's to be avoided, how to evade, names to drop, etc... Playing mainly crafter/gatherers, I actually built good relationships with PvP'ers, who I would supply with weapons, armour, repairs.

Attitude is a door that swings both ways.

If you go to Fel with pre-conceived ideas, hatred and general distaste for the players there, is it not fair to expect the same in response?

Is talking to other players so difficult? Really? Try it once in a while, some of you might be pleasantly surprised.

Most recently, I found myself doing just that with some of the most feared red raiders on the shard I was playing. They killed my character in a champ spawn. One had spirit-speak, so I began talking to them. I asked for a rez and to 1v1 the player that killed me. They rezzed me and I lost a close battle. They rezzed me again and for over half an hour, we talked about templates and tactics, said our fair wells and parted ways. No animosity. We'd all had some fun and played the game.

I got to talk to players I might never have spoken to before, same thing for them. In future, they "knew" me and I them. When I came against them again, if they killed me, they always rezzed me. They didn't rez kill me, but either let me be to watch what went on, or popped me a gate somewhere if I didn't.

So, just for once try talking to the other players. The benefits certainly outweigh the negatives by a long shot.

 

[Professor Moriarty]

I don't play UO for the "risk" you seem to think everyone should be forced to experience. I play for fun, relaxation, and enjoyment. Getting an adrenaline rush from a video game is not something I need nor want, and the same can be said for most of the people that play the game. Take away the fun, relaxation, and enjoyment and you will see people quitting the game just as they did prior to Tram. No one wants to be forced into a playstyle they don't get any enjoyment from and they damn sure don't want their gameplay interrupted so they can be the source of someone else's enjoyment.

So you want UO to shut down? Because that's what will happen if this becomes the norm instead of the exception. I know that if my normal gameplay starts forcing me to go to Fel to accomplish anything my normal game will not be UO any longer. I will sell my account to the highest bidder and find something else to occupy my time. I know quite a few people that feel exactly the same.

I guess I was smarter than you then, since I didn't die once, not even on my crafters.

You seam to miss the point. No one is forcing you to got o Fellucca. Its your choice. No one said that this is what you have to do today, did they? There was no force on the Dev’s part.

You missed the part where it was YOUR CHOICE TO GO TO FELUCCA. No one forced you to do anything.


You are the reason the game is dieing, not that the dev’s are putting content in felucca. But you! Your wish t have everything handed to you on a plate, not wanting to have to achieve anything. Best you just bank sit if you don’t want any stress in your game play ehh. I mean god forbid you try and kill something that takes effort ehh!!!


Snakes and ladder may be the game of your choice. As UO is a game full of people who love a challenge

 

[Der Rock]

.................
You are the reason the game is dieing, not that the dev’s are putting content in felucca.
..............

you call the book CONTENT LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

dude if you think THIS is the content that fel. need,
then you deserve all my compassion and charity

 

[Picus at the office]

Everyone could skip the spots in fel just like I skiped the one in ilsh. I had no problems hitting every spot on many shards. The fel ones on shards I don't have dedicated PvPers with contacts on those shards I've just waited a few days before going to and, shockingly, I had no problems.

Play smart people, do what you want and have fun. You could also try PvPing as a group and not one at a time. When I was "protecting" the book on Napa from ruthless players arriving from Tram I noted over and over how these people would come one at a time to die, never in a group. At some points there were 5 players on the guard side and little old me beside the book, I would have died from a bola and group spells but it just didn't happen and I left due to bordom. Sigh.

 

[Der Rock]

Everyone could skip the spots in fel just like I skiped the one in ilsh. I had no problems hitting every spot on many shards. The fel ones on shards I don't have dedicated PvPers with contacts on those shards I've just waited a few days before going to and, shockingly, I had no problems.

Play smart people, do what you want and have fun. You could also try PvPing as a group and not one at a time. When I was "protecting" the book on Napa from ruthless players arriving from Tram I noted over and over how these people would come one at a time to die, never in a group. At some points there were 5 players on the guard side and little old me beside the book, I would have died from a bola and group spells but it just didn't happen and I left due to bordom. Sigh.

you missed the point,
i did all my 21 char. to both fel. books without a single death.

the point is that some so called uo"pvp" player think the books are content for fel.

they think they had a pvp challenge

if the fel.crowd think this is what they need to "pvp", then they only affirm WHY fel. is dead and empty

 

[Lorelei Rage]

So let me see if I have this right. You didn't die on any of your chars but just the thought of having to go to fel takes your enjoyment out of the game?

 

[HD2300]

.................
You are the reason the game is dieing, not that the dev’s are putting content in felucca.
..............

you call the book CONTENT LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

dude if you think THIS is the content that fel. need,
then you deserve all my compassion and charity

non-PvPers were the content for pkers.

 

[Der Rock]

So let me see if I have this right. You didn't die on any of your chars but just the thought of having to go to fel takes your enjoyment out of the game?

attend,
most times i post, i dont post for egoistic content,
i look at the whole game,condition and status

i know, most fel."pvp" crowd will never ever accept that all those :

"put content to fel.that trammies need, and fel. will "live long and prosper"

was and is a completly failure of the devs.
listen to 5% and anger 95% will always end in a disaster !

explanation of disaster :
-felucca empty
-siege empty
-"classic shard" will remain also empty

 

[Professor Moriarty]

you call the book CONTENT LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

dude if you think THIS is the content that fel. need,
then you deserve all my compassion and charity

What now you're not happy with the type of content. It was a 1 day event held in felucca. There were loads of fel players there that day for the "Content". They all seamed prety pleased with it too, so whats your problem? There were battles between fell guilds and there was loads of plain old PKing. Fel players knew that people would be there and they came on mass on some shards. I would say it was a total sucsess.

 

[Professor Moriarty]

attend,
most times i post, i dont post for egoistic content,
i look at the whole game,condition and status

i know, most fel."pvp" crowd will never ever accept that all those :

"put content to fel.that trammies need, and fel. will "live long and prosper"

was and is a completly failure of the devs.
listen to 5% and anger 95% will always end in a disaster !

explanation of disaster :
-felucca empty
-siege empty
-"classic shard" will remain also empty

Felucca is far from dead. Only a true tramie would even think thats its dead. TBH i see more people in fel that i do in the new SA expansion

 

[Picus at the office]

you missed the point,
i did all my 21 char. to both fel. books without a single death.

the point is that some so called uo"pvp" player think the books are content for fel.

they think they had a pvp challenge

if the fel.crowd think this is what they need to "pvp", then they only affirm WHY fel. is dead and empty

It was content as these books were based in Fel. That said I thought all but 2(3?) of the books were in Fel also with matching ones in Tram or so it seems when I go through my book of runes for this event so its clearly a duel facet event.

I'm sorry that some people would wish to have PVP removed, it's a real shame. IMO the end game is PvP, who else could give a good run for the money. There is nothing a player cannot solo save for a few monsters and those could be done with some thought.

Fel is not dead and empty. I and my fellow guildmates rarely have to step into tram except to fill our vendors or look at the bank sitters. Don't miss out on half the game due to some misguided fear.

 

[Der Rock]

I'm sorry that some people would wish to have PVP removed, it's a real shame.

why is it that you all think that we wish to pvp removed?????

THERE is NO real PVP in UO

do YOU you call "ambushing a tailor around a small red book" pvp ?

do you call killing and trash talking a tailor pvp ?

uo-pvp = joke

 

[Winker]

why is it that you all think that we wish to pvp removed?????

THERE is NO real PVP in UO

do YOU you call "ambushing a tailor around a small red book" pvp ?

do you call killing and trash talking a tailor pvp ?

uo-pvp = joke

Your lack of understanding is way out there, try having some consideration for other play styles, im sure the PvPer thinks there is no need for PvM in the game either. But right now you are looking like a baby who has just thrown his toys out the pram due to not getting his own way

 

[Der Rock]

I and my fellow guildmates rarely have to step into tram except to fill our vendors or look at the bank sitters.

with this sentence alone, you degrade yourself again.....
(why all fel.pvp people of the same art ?)

what does this mean :"look at the bank sitters" ????????

be glad we have bank sitters....those people also make it possible that YOU can still play this game.

is trashtalk the main skill "pvp" have?


p.s. look at the general chat trash talk every day you can see the heros trash talking

 

[Der Rock]

why is it that you all think that we wish to pvp removed?????

THERE is NO real PVP in UO

do YOU you call "ambushing a tailor around a small red book" pvp ?

do you call killing and trash talking a tailor pvp ?

uo-pvp = joke

Your lack of understanding is way out there, try having some consideration for other play styles, im sure the PvPer thinks there is no need for PvM in the game either. But right now you are looking like a baby who has just thrown his toys out the pram due to not getting his own way

see my post above

 

[Picus at the office]

why is it that you all think that we wish to pvp removed?????

THERE is NO real PVP in UO

do YOU you call "ambushing a tailor around a small red book" pvp ?

do you call killing and trash talking a tailor pvp ?

uo-pvp = joke

The risk you take in bringing a tailor to Fel is clearly worth the reward you might receive, or so it must seem as you clearly did it.

And yes I do call cleaning up the UO cest pool of worthless tram tailors who dare to cross my path in a clearly combat based area as Player vs Player action. If you had entered a gate and not recalled you would have had to click the consent to travel to a scary place, opening your rune book is the same action. By default you accepted all and any events that might occur by YOUR actions, it's not my fault you got your arse kicked bring a TAILOR to fel(what the heck were you thinking?).

At no point did anyone say you had to come to the party.

 

[Der Rock]

why is it that you all think that we wish to pvp removed?????

THERE is NO real PVP in UO

do YOU you call "ambushing a tailor around a small red book" pvp ?

do you call killing and trash talking a tailor pvp ?

uo-pvp = joke

The risk you take in bringing a tailor to Fel is clearly worth the reward you might receive, or so it must seem as you clearly did it.

And yes I do call cleaning up the UO cest pool of worthless tram tailors who dare to cross my path in a clearly combat based area as Player vs Player action. If you had entered a gate and not recalled you would have had to click the consent to travel to a scary place, opening your rune book is the same action. By default you accepted all and any events that might occur by YOUR actions, it's not my fault you got your arse kicked bring a TAILOR to fel(what the heck were you thinking?).

At no point did anyone say you had to come to the party.

so what?
devs failure !
they start 8 runes out of fel. and also the last 2 runes dont belong to fel., because its pvp area.

 

[Jesusislord]

(To no one in particular)

Stupid is as stupid does.
Felucca is very much alive these days..

AND as I gathered from the writing in the books, the whole quest had something to do with the creation of trammel. Why we wouldn't have to travel back to the ORIGINAL facet to find the truth, is something that wouldn't make sense.

So a couple of your chars couldn't get the book to hand in for a magic bracer? That probably has more to do with your paranoia than anything else.

 

[Viper09]

Sad to see people who both do not understand why people like to play a certain play-style other than their own and then choose to bash it out of arrogance.

Edit: I mean it's ok to not understand why people enjoy PvP when you do not but there is no need to bash it. I personally don't see the thrill of roleplaying or buying/selling items in UO as a play-style but I don't go around bashing it because I know people enjoy RPing and buying/selling as their play-style.

 

[Professor Moriarty]

why is it that you all think that we wish to pvp removed?????

THERE is NO real PVP in UO

do YOU you call "ambushing a tailor around a small red book" pvp ?

do you call killing and trash talking a tailor pvp ?

uo-pvp = joke

Taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultima_Online

The success of Ultima Online opened the door for the creation of many new massively multiplayer games. Ultima Online is a fantasy role-playing game set in the Ultima universe. It is online-only and played by thousands of simultaneous users (who pay a monthly fee) on various game servers, also known as shards. It is known for its extensive timing-based player versus player combat system. To maintain order in the online community, there are Game Masters who resolve player disputes, police the shard for terms of service violations, and correct glitches in the game.

 

[Llewen]

To maintain order in the online community, there are Game Masters who resolve player disputes, police the shard for terms of service violations, and correct glitches in the game.

That's pretty optimistic, but the rest of it seems accurate.

 

[Evlar]

To maintain order in the online community, there are Game Masters who resolve player disputes, police the shard for terms of service violations, and correct glitches in the game.

Really?

 

[Professor Moriarty]

To maintain order in the online community, there are Game Masters who resolve player disputes, police the shard for terms of service violations, and correct glitches in the game.

Really?

Well i can coment on the last two, I have had a GM turn up and ask if i am AFK macroing, and a few weeks back my char had a bug and was sitting at -16 Physical resist when naked. GM came along and sorted it out. So yeah the last 2 they still do but im not too sure about the "resolve player disputes" part

 

[Salya Sin]

I just don’t get it! You got to the SA Dungeon and try to kill the slasher, he kills you many times before you kill him, but yet you accept this. You got felucca and a PK kills you once and look at all the treads crying coz they had to go to felucca and they died.

Would you try and solo the slasher? (ok some do). Most people bring a few friends to try and kill the slasher. So why don’t you look at the pk’s as a high level monster that needs more than one person to take it down. If you go down in a group 3 or 4 you would be fine, when the pk is targeting your mate…you read the book. Let the Pk target you, so then your friends can read the book.

I just don’t see why people cry when a PK kills them but they don’t cry when a high level monster kills them. Death is Death! It make no difference if it s a red or a high level monster. You get a res and try it from a different angle…

Strangely enough... I actually get what you are saying. But I think you are missing the point that some players are trying to make...

It's not the death part... it's the "being set-up" part. If they had stuck a hoard of Crimson Dragons (just picked something that causes quick death... big scary dragon) on that island with that book... the complaints would have been the same.

FOr the most part... the island is the big issue with most. No one got upset about having to go to the ruins and die by the undead there (I have some really lame characters) and no one got upset about going to die at the Ilsh spawn (again... ratman archers and pathetic characters) but both those places allowed you to escape. Run and go back. You could use a bit of strategy to get in and out.

Not so with the PKers... there was no way to avoid, run, or anything else. And they camped there with high numbers attacking and killing OVER AND OVER... you were dead long before you could get anywhere near the book. Max frustration that... the quest was important for the storyline... the books will be important later... but players who could not be "tricked" into moving away from the book... which was placed in a TINY area with no room to move around... camped there just to harass anyone who showed. And this all took place in an area that allows for it... I think the point you are missing is someone didn't think about what could happen, and did, at this location.

CLOAK- Yes sir.. on Napa it was griefing BY Tram players IN Fel. One being a fellow guildmate who had another character in another guild... and once on the character he has IN my guild. We had a chat with that player... as my PM box exploded... because the rez kills were NOT acceptable... In Tram we have to deal with luring, vocal harassment, spawn left, kill steals, etc... but no matter what that player does... they can't actually stop your game play. They can hinder... they can be annoying... but even luring, if you are a diligent player... will not get you ghosted.

I agree with you... I do... it's not the reds. I didn't see a single red griefing in Napa... but the argument is the location they put the book... NOT Fel players. There are some AWESOME Fel players in Napa who didn't show up to grief... it was the LOCATION that allowed the players to get away with this. There are some things you can only do in Fel... and yes, Tram players show up there to do the same as Fel players.

I apologize if anything I said seemed to be targeting FEL Players only... I was simply discussing the location... and players who came to that location. We actually had a couple of reds show up to fight the Tram players on Napa... they allowed people to click the book. Though why everyone didn't just wait a day or two... Fel is empty in those areas now?

 

[Morgana LeFay (PoV)]

It's not the death part... it's the "being set-up" part. If they had stuck a hoard of Crimson Dragons (just picked something that causes quick death... big scary dragon) on that island with that book... the complaints would have been the same.

Probably not. I don't think most people would have complained if it would have been NPCs that spawned there. There might have been a few complaints from people that it was too difficult, but the cries would not have been nearly has shrill.

I agree with the poster that you quoted. I am starting to understand why some people don't voluntarily PvP, but I am still having trouble understanding why people differentiate dying to NPCs over PCs.

FOr the most part... the island is the big issue with most. No one got upset about having to go to the ruins and die by the undead there (I have some really lame characters) and no one got upset about going to die at the Ilsh spawn (again... ratman archers and pathetic characters) but both those places allowed you to escape. Run and go back. You could use a bit of strategy to get in and out.

Not so with the PKers... there was no way to avoid, run, or anything else. And they camped there with high numbers attacking and killing OVER AND OVER... you were dead long before you could get anywhere near the book. Max frustration that... the quest was important for the storyline... the books will be important later... but players who could not be "tricked" into moving away from the book... which was placed in a TINY area with no room to move around... camped there just to harass anyone who showed.

Again...why is it "harassment" when you are attacked by a player, but not when it is an aggressive NPC?

The primary difference I can gather from what you have posted here is the difficulty level. I agree, fighting your way through 8-12 players is going to be a LOT more difficult than fighting your way through 8-12 of any monster in the game...but, if people had worked together (as the person you quoted suggested) it would have been possible.

 

[Evlar]

I don't think anyone will misinterpret your post as being against Fel players Salya Sin. Indeed, it's refreshing to see someone look at both sides of the coin.

Only thing I will pull you up on, is referring to the griefers as "players". They are what they are... griefers. Referring to them as "players" is a little like saying all supporters of football (soccer for my American friends ), are "hooligans", when it's actually a tiny proportion of such idiots who spoil the sport for the genuine supporters.