My solution to the Fel v Tram stuff that is always happening.

[Winker]

Go and check out the Darkfall forums.

I just did, i see no mention of any numbers of subscribers from the DF team. Maybe you would like to provide a link? Or maybe not if you were just talking hot air!

Last i heard they had over 50k of subs from the 2 servers. When i stopped playing a few months back the EU server had loads of players all be it spread over a very large game map. Far more than any of the UO servers seam to have, except the Japanese who have 70k of subs on their UO serves. Best figures I can get for UO is around 135k subscribers for ALL the shards and around 70k of them are on the Japanese’s shards

 

[WarUltima]

PS/Harry in tram... may the newb zero (0) risk farming begin...

And the trammies says the Fel players are the whining crowd. Look at all the threads for the past 3 days... yeahhh freaking hypocrites.

 

[Coragin]

when I see a post like the one above, I see Golem from LOTR with a pile o f PS's saying "My PRecioussssss"

 

[UOKaiser]

PS/Harry in tram... may the newb zero (0) risk farming begin...

And the trammies says the Fel players are the whining crowd. Look at all the threads for the past 3 days... yeahhh freaking hypocrites.

One sec. Fel players are the whinning crowd. The past few days tram players being whining about a book in fel. Past 10 or more years everyday there is at least 1 fel player in one of these forums trying to get another playstyle nerf. I think Fel has Tram beat

 

[WarUltima]

One sec. Fel players are the whinning crowd. The past few days tram players being whining about a book in fel. Past 10 or more years everyday there is at least 1 fel player in one of these forums trying to get another playstyle nerf. I think Fel has Tram beat

Please repost them
I want to see them dated as well...
Fel players whined about getting no one to kill for 8 years... and trammie nubs whined about two book that takes 0.5 second to click... are you sure you dont want to play Hello Kitty Online?

 

[BeefSupreme]

Not arguing about anything in particular, but you guys realize if they put powerscrolls in trammel, they will become pretty worthless in a short time.

 

[UOKaiser]

Please repost them
I want to see them dated as well...
Fel players whined about getting no one to kill for 8 years... and trammie nubs whined about two book that takes 0.5 second to click... are you sure you dont want to play Hello Kitty Online?

I don't whine about anything but the market and things being too easy so im not even in the same camp as these playstylie whines. There so many to name it's like a history of archer this, tamer this, dexter this, alchemy that, faction that, bushido this, myst that, necro that, mage this, chiv there,i losed and i shouldn't have lost to 10 guys this, He is speedhacking cause hes faster than me this,using scripts that cause he heals to fast that,Gargoyeles have become to useful that,ninjutsu there,mage weapon over there,safe zone there,then comes the individual abilities per skills after a change is made repeat again over and over and over as it repeats during the years heh. Even in this first page we got the protection=invincibility and the insurance post and it's only because the book issue has being cloging up the pages these past 3 days if not am sure the usual will be focusing on another group to take down. There are so many everyday. Sorry Fel-PVP players have Tram beat.

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

The "Fel v Tram stuff that is always happening" has no actual solution. This is because it's caused not by mechanics or circumstances, but by the Felucca mentality, which tells the afflicted Fellie that he or she must "win," even if there is no actual competition at the moment.

There is no solution.

-Galen's player

 

[Evlar]

Blimey...

I go away for a little while, the thread buzzing along with some decent ideas and discussion, a few ping-pong insults in the mix...

...I come back and there's a debate on why/why not the USA shouldn't bail anyone out financially and who they should/shouldn't bomb the crap out of.



Let's all please hope that nobody here is actively, or considering, a career in politics eh!

As for any of the on-topic debate...

Just goes to show what I suggested earlier. Too many "groups" with their own agenda, unwillingness to listen to what the other half think or like, so it all goes nowhere fast.

THAT is why I suggested three options. Might as well split the player base apart than try to keep it together. It obviously isn't working...

 

[the 4th man]

An Event gone bad, and we all become experts in formulating plans about changing the game to fit our choices.....?

PVP isn't dead Coragin. Us Feluccans PVP even WITHOUT any incentive OTHER than fighting itself!

It's the Trammel side that keeps wanting more rewards with less risk, or to bring the game in their field, or shape it so that they enjoy it more.

If you're not ready to fight just for the sake of it you probably have no place in Felucca, and can't really grasp the meaning of it. Don't assume to propose anything about something you don't understand, then.

Some of you don't want to fight other people? Fine. Why should you be offered incentive to do so?... Seriously. Who actually invited you again? No offense but the lot of you posting rants about this Event are sooooo self-centered and feel the need to be needed...

What a mess. I hope they NEVER, EVER organise an Event like that. It gives people some very twisted ideas and impressions about Felucca.

And if you think Feluccans are all bullies or whatever you should make a PVPer, join a Fel-based guild and their Vent channel or something and then you tell me if these people(us) sound like what you make us to be.

Sorry to say this, but **** off. Some of you are really insulting, I hope they give you EVERYTHING that you can find in Felucca, in Trammel, so that you simply stop whining...!!

Sickboy......I do enjoy fighting, but usually after a few beers at the local ginmill (another name for a bar).....getting tough on a computer, and a "game" shows alot about a person, and who they really are. That's why you never see me argue on here like some idiot.

When I don't want to be bothered, I pretty much mean it. Seriously,.....how, if I want to hang in "fillyland" do I keep some snot nosed punk from giving me the business? What, kill him on a computer, and he's up and talking moo-cow in what a minute later?? Yeah, that accomplishes alot. Pretty much a brain dead enjoyment.......reminds me of kids with coffee can mufflers because they're manlyhood is questionable.

I've read over the past week all the same old arguements rattling on, year after year.....it's all individual wants. "come to seige" (translated- it's so dead here,please join us to save us)

"risk vs reward" (translated, as posted, your risk ='s our reward) Face it, all the fiily's have is power scrolls.......and some ugly scenery.

There's plenty of ga-ga arguement, and honestly, I wish the mods would stick this lame stuff in the rants column or some fillyland forum.


say what you will, I never look back.


later

 

[Liquid_Ape]

The "Fel v Tram stuff that is always happening" has no actual solution. This is because it's caused not by mechanics or circumstances, but by the Felucca mentality, which tells the afflicted Fellie that he or she must "win," even if there is no actual competition at the moment.

There is no solution.

-Galen's player

Heh. It's funny listening to tram players talk about fel mentality and fel players talk about the tram mentality.

You could have just as easily pointed out that this is caused by the Tram mentality, which tells the afflicted trammie that he or she must "win", even if there is no actual competition at the moment.

Or maybe it is human nature to want to win. The PvM people want to try their skills against the toughest fastest critters with the best AI. The PvP people want to try their skills against something tougher, faster and with far better AI than any computer controlled critter - other people.

(not directed to Galen's player)

Perhaps if, instead of blind conjecture and over-broad generalizations, we stuck to things we actually knew about, the conversation might be less contentious.

One last thing: people lately have been throwing around terms which are not necessarily interchangeable and using them as synonyms:

Red
PK
PvPer


You can PvP and not be a PK. PKs can be red, but they can also be blue. Reds can be PvPers but not necessarily PK's. Reds can even be anti-PKs and some blues can be PKs. Many of the old school Pirates were PK's but would hardly qualify as PvPers. I have seen honorable PK's kill you, then offer a res or a gate to a healer, didn't loot you and didn't kill you again. I have been witness to reds RPing with blues in a constructive manner. I have also seen dishonorable blues who would repeatedly kill and dry loot anyone who accidentally went grey (it happens sometimes). I have seen more grief tactics in tram than I ever have in fel because the people in tram had no consequences for their actions. You repeatedly steal spawn and you get killed in fel. In tram, you leave and let the punk win. Admittedly, I haven't seen any griefing in the past 6 months since I came back. At least that's a positive thing.

 

[slaveone]

Honestly i don't get it bro. What's your beef with the way things are. Your ideas just make everything more complicated than it already is. If you don't like Fel then just don't go there problem solved! See wasn't that EASY?!? Now Quit wasting your time coming up with a bunch of balony ideas that have less than a 0% chance of ever being implemented and just go play UO in tramville and buy your scrolls like everyone else who plays in tramville what's so darn wrong with that?

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

Heh. It's funny listening to tram players talk about fel mentality and fel players talk about the tram mentality.

You could have just as easily pointed out that this is caused by the Tram mentality, which tells the afflicted trammie that he or she must "win", even if there is no actual competition at the moment.

I apologize for not reading the rest of your post; I will try and read it later.

I stopped here for now, however.

No, I couldn't say that. Or, rather, I couldn't say that and still be within the bounds of reality.

"Winning" in Trammel means attaining certain specific goals. Killing a monster, finding an artifact, etc.

Only rarely is one in competition against other players in any meaningful sense. I'm pretty sure I can count the exceptions on one hand.

Felucca, by contrast, is competition against players. That's just true by definition. Whether it's scrolls, pride, "rights" over some monster spawn," or Sigils....Whatever the MacGuffin is, and regardless of how much the actual MacGuffin does or does not mean to any given player or character. For most Felucca players, the competition is the point, not the goal.

How do I know this? They've said so, time and time again. When they haven't said so, their behavior and statements have implied it.

And they take it out-of-game routinely.

Ever been in UO Global Chat?

"Message board PvP," their term not mine, is also quite prevalent, and it gets pretty far, to the point of driving other players from the boards. My favorite was a thread where people posted RL pictures of themselves going to one of the UO town hall meetings. Fellies posted a litany of horrendous insults directed at the appearance of these players and the UO team members. The moderators did nothing for a couple of days, finally deleting the offending posts. And that was small-time compared to what they've said about me, with hardly any moderation whatsoever.

There was no good reason to do any of this....Except that Fellies felt the need to "compete" over nothing.

So when you say:

You could have just as easily pointed out that this is caused by the Tram mentality, which tells the afflicted trammie that he or she must "win", even if there is no actual competition at the moment.

No, I could not say this and remain within the bounds of reality. It is demonstrably false.

Also, be aware that if you judge Trammie by the percentage of time a player spends in each rules set, then I am certainly a Trammie now, but I wasn't always. I used to have a lot of nice screencaps of my enemies' corpses to prove it, but then I deleted them all. Too much space on my hard drive to prove something that no one would ever believe, no matter how much evidence could be presented.

-Galen's player

 

[Liquid_Ape]

I apologize for not reading the rest of your post; I will try and read it later.

I stopped here for now, however.

No, I couldn't say that. Or, rather, I couldn't say that and still be within the bounds of reality.

"Winning" in Trammel means attaining certain specific goals. Killing a monster, finding an artifact, etc.

Only rarely is one in competition against other players in any meaningful sense. I'm pretty sure I can count the exceptions on one hand.

Felucca, by contrast, is competition against players. That's just true by definition. Whether it's scrolls, pride, "rights" over some monster spawn," or Sigils....Whatever the MacGuffin is, and regardless of how much the actual MacGuffin does or does not mean to any given player or character. For most Felucca players, the competition is the point, not the goal.

How do I know this? They've said so, time and time again. When they haven't said so, their behavior and statements have implied it.

And they take it out-of-game routinely.

Ever been in UO Global Chat?

"Message board PvP," their term not mine, is also quite prevalent, and it gets pretty far, to the point of driving other players from the boards. My favorite was a thread where people posted RL pictures of themselves going to one of the UO town hall meetings. Fellies posted a litany of horrendous insults directed at the appearance of these players and the UO team members. The moderators did nothing for a couple of days, finally deleting the offending posts. And that was small-time compared to what they've said about me, with hardly any moderation whatsoever.

There was no good reason to do any of this....Except that Fellies felt the need to "compete" over nothing.

So when you say:



No, I could not say this and remain within the bounds of reality. It is demonstrably false.

Also, be aware that if you judge Trammie by the percentage of time a player spends in each rules set, then I am certainly a Trammie now, but I wasn't always. I used to have a lot of nice screencaps of my enemies' corpses to prove it, but then I deleted them all. Too much space on my hard drive to prove something that no one would ever believe, no matter how much evidence could be presented.

-Galen's player

The exception does not prove the rule. You have a few loud people screaming, "look at me! look at me!" and you make the false assumption that all people who appear similar to them must have the same attitudes.

I still believe that if you reverse your statement it holds true. Trammies (used non pejoratively) want to win. Whether it is "get the artie" or "click the book and get the reward" or "be the most invincible person in the dungeons." What I believe Fel does is allow them the possibility that they will not win. They may not be able to click the book, or they might die while fighting spawn or someone might "get them" while they are harvesting resources.

The mere possibility that they will not "win" sometimes means that they refuse to play or complain very loudly about it. I have seen this in children these days (I have kids and have met their friends!) They are very reluctant to try something unless it is easy and they are guaranteed to win. Failure is too tough for them. They have spent the past 6 or 8 or 10 years having the adults in their lives blow sunshine up their you-know-whats until they feel they are entitled to whatever they want. They will not fail because winning is an entitlement. And every time someone plays without any true risk, they essentially guarantee themselves a "win."

It's why you hear people gripe so much about the random number generator. If something is a 1 in 2 shot of being crafted and they fail 4 times, then they complain because its unfair and broken - ie "they didn't win." Since crafting only happens in tram, (right? only evil PK's in Fel) those must be trammie "I didn't win" complaints, yes?

And while it seems like I am hammering the trammies, I would point out that this is just human nature. People play games like these to have fun. If they have fun then they win. Whether that is bank sitting or chasing down helpless miners. They are playing to "win." The desire to compete and to win and to have fun does not solely reside in players of either facet. If you are only seeing one side of this whole fel/tram thing then I would say you need to get out more.

I guess my Fel is different than yours. Perhaps you should take a look at mine sometime. I'll take you to a player town or two, let you interact with some nice Fel RP guilds, show you good spots to gather resources etc. Once you turn your desolation off, you forget you are even here except for push through.

 

[Lady Michelle]

My solution power scrolls, factions, and pvp need to stay in fel. I play both facets I am what you call a felammel or maybe a trammucca. I don't mind dieing in fel if a red catches me that is the fel rule set that you follow when you step into fel its risk vs reward I got that. but I wouldnt be against reds coming to the trammel. Just as long as they follow the trammel rules.

 

[Uvtha]

Blimey...

I go away for a little while, the thread buzzing along with some decent ideas and discussion, a few ping-pong insults in the mix...

...I come back and there's a debate on why/why not the USA shouldn't bail anyone out financially and who they should/shouldn't bomb the crap out of.



Let's all please hope that nobody here is actively, or considering, a career in politics eh!

As for any of the on-topic debate...

Just goes to show what I suggested earlier. Too many "groups" with their own agenda, unwillingness to listen to what the other half think or like, so it all goes nowhere fast.

THAT is why I suggested three options. Might as well split the player base apart than try to keep it together. It obviously isn't working...

Boy, just what I thought. This thread really became a cock swinging contest fast.

 

[maroite]

Go take alook at darkfall it has a masive following, and its way harsher than UO ever was. So no the game would not have failed, but EA would not have made as much $$$ as they did by changing the rules.

But by changing the rules the game still lost millions of players why? coz they never REALY wanted to play a sandbox type of game in the first place!

ahahahahaha Thats amusing, DarkFail has a following? It HAD a following, when it was being developed. Then the developers dropped the poo'd in their own bed and FAILED miserably.

The fact is that the majority of gamers are NOT full time pvpers. You have weekend pvpers and sometimes pvpers and you have people who can literally just play a game an never pvp. The amount of these people in most games far out weighs the people who want PvP 24/7.

Also, I am all for getting rid of trammel, as long as pre age of shadow restrictions on reds are put back in place. Stat/skill loss, no access to cities, limited res options. Completely remove red NPC healers, because those are lame. You want to be the bad red dude, deal with the consequences.

I guarantee at LEAST 50% of reds playing no wouldn't play their reds, and the number would be closer to 75%. After the first couple deaths and stat/skill loss hits I bet even more would stop playing there reds.

 

[Salya Sin]

And since you can't grasp the meaning of "I play UO for my own enjoyment, not so I can be someone else's" then you probably shouldn't be discussing this in the first place. Don't presume to make judgements on players about whom you understand nothing. When one playstyle is rewarded to the detriment of all of the others you have what is known as a "bad design decision". What you don't have is a leg to stand on when trying to tell other players that their playstyle is unimportant because a very small minority of players need to kill fish in a barrel in order to feel fulfilled. This choice of the Devs was nothing more than them throwing PK'rs a bone, as having the book location on an island with no way off was nothing more than that, fish in a barrel. Reading the general chat in game that day was more like watching a bunch of sharks in a feeding frenzy than playing UO.

What I find hilarious are all of the posts and threads created about ways to bring people to Fel, while the people that are already in Fel are doing everything they can to turn other players off from wanting to go there. Watching counterproductivity is always good for a laugh or 2.

And this wins my vote for the most logical post... well said!

 

[HD2300]

And since you can't grasp the meaning of "I play UO for my own enjoyment, not so I can be someone else's" then you probably shouldn't be discussing this in the first place. Don't presume to make judgements on players about whom you understand nothing. When one playstyle is rewarded to the detriment of all of the others you have what is known as a "bad design decision". What you don't have is a leg to stand on when trying to tell other players that their playstyle is unimportant because a very small minority of players need to kill fish in a barrel in order to feel fulfilled. This choice of the Devs was nothing more than them throwing PK'rs a bone, as having the book location on an island with no way off was nothing more than that, fish in a barrel. Reading the general chat in game that day was more like watching a bunch of sharks in a feeding frenzy than playing UO.

What I find hilarious are all of the posts and threads created about ways to bring people to Fel, while the people that are already in Fel are doing everything they can to turn other players off from wanting to go there. Watching counterproductivity is always good for a laugh or 2.

And this wins my vote for the most logical post... well said!

Why?? Just why would you create content to cater to very small minority of players that drive other paying players away from your game.

 

[Lady Michelle]

And since you can't grasp the meaning of "I play UO for my own enjoyment, not so I can be someone else's" then you probably shouldn't be discussing this in the first place. Don't presume to make judgements on players about whom you understand nothing. When one playstyle is rewarded to the detriment of all of the others you have what is known as a "bad design decision". What you don't have is a leg to stand on when trying to tell other players that their playstyle is unimportant because a very small minority of players need to kill fish in a barrel in order to feel fulfilled. This choice of the Devs was nothing more than them throwing PK'rs a bone, as having the book location on an island with no way off was nothing more than that, fish in a barrel. Reading the general chat in game that day was more like watching a bunch of sharks in a feeding frenzy than playing UO.

What I find hilarious are all of the posts and threads created about ways to bring people to Fel, while the people that are already in Fel are doing everything they can to turn other players off from wanting to go there. Watching counterproductivity is always good for a laugh or 2.

And this wins my vote for the most logical post... well said!

Trammel guild going to fel to work a spawn for an hour or so. The champ boss spawns in comes the pvpers to roll over the trammel guild. All those hours of work to just have the reward taking from you in minutes. risk & reward is this risk for the trammels & reward for the pvpers. least the champ spawns they have to run around to find you. the book they were their waiting for you. I didn't care if I died I had my mind up I was going to click on every book in this quest, because I was taking the risk, and I was also getting the reward and they weren't.

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

And this wins my vote for the most logical post... well said!

it is not fully logical Sayla...He left out all the parts about the large portion of the grief population being in tram trying to get people to quit. It is not the populace of fel, but a rather small player base which does not need pvp to operate on. There are more holes in his theory, and some small truths (such as the island thing, I don't really know wth was going on putting it on an island, but most of the shards suffered no set back from this) but I really do not care to go on about it, the pvp community, or even the PK community (not the same thing) are not attempting to get our kicks from killing any non-pvper (pks are mostly role playing, and if you can not relate to that (not you sayla but "you" as a populace) then well, you are in the wrong game) A fairly large amount of the Fel populace is always polite to randoms, and helpful even, willing to help show you how to pvp, or perhaps to help you do things such as this quest. Look at siege, while the shard is dead (has nothing to do with this issue) new players to the shard are treated warmly(generally, every community has its outcasts).

Admittingly I will have to say, anyone stepping into fel is considered a potential adversary, basically meaning anyone stepping into fel could encounter a fight at anytime due to either a) players who do nothing but grief b) the very few honest PKs or c) any random person hoping for a good fight and not knowing who you are. With shard transfers it is quite difficult to keep up with who is who, In a normal situation I try to keep acquainted with everyone who steps through the gates into fel, but sometimes if battle has commenced it is not my problem if you are a crafter in the wrong place at the wrong time (not talking about you being alone and getting ganked, I mean you walking into a fight already going on.) basically this tram/fel fight is always a ridiculous one seeing as how the trammel players associate all the players of fel with the griefers of tram. We are not the same group, the tiny population of grief players are just that, they do not require you to go to fel. Not to say the defense from the Fel population on these boards is very good, mostly just trash talking about trammel players....But hey, it is not as if they attacked the trammel players first, right? The resolution? Stop complaining about dying, seriously, not a big deal. Can't handle someone telling you you can't pvp when you basically can't? I don't know what to tell you. Don't like grief players? Quit the game, they are more abundant in trammel than in Fel.

The only valid argument would be that you don't like cheaters, but guess what? they cheat in tram too! What revelations! Dying to a cheater is like dying to the stygian dragon while naked. Why complain about it?

If you ever lose something due to pvp, please let me know. Other wise there is no argument that is valid for this, the event did not go so horrible to warrant all these damn threads!

Crap...I went on again *sighs*

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

Trammel guild going to fel to work a spawn for an hour or so. The champ boss spawns in comes the pvpers to roll over the trammel guild. All those hours of work to just have the reward taking from you in minutes. risk & reward is this risk for the trammels & reward for the pvpers. least the champ spawns they have to run around to find you. the book they were their waiting for you. I didn't care if I died I had my mind up I was going to click on every book in this quest, because I was taking the risk, and I was also getting the reward and they weren't.

Many tram guilds can out number fel guilds. And many times has tram guilds been able to hold off the pvp guilds and finish the champ with out loss. Not that are you wrong, but then again...You could completely finish a champ spawn with out a pvp guild ever knowing about it, and thus recieving your reward for taking the risk. Again, I understand your point very well....Being in a guild of 5 people myself (most tram guilds have to be able to out number this) We tend to have to do the same as the tram guild, difference? We are prepared for it, we are also somewhat pvp savy. Most pvp guilds rely on pure numbers and little ability, so even the odds...have the same numbers and you could win.

I once again do not agree with the book being on that island, the one in occlo is fine by me though.

 

[HD2300]

Most of the time when stupid things happen in Trammel it is because some attention seeker who has no one to seek attention from in Fel goes to Trammel.

UO needs an only consentual PvP shard or a PvP switch.

 

[Salya Sin]

And since you can't grasp the meaning of "I play UO for my own enjoyment, not so I can be someone else's" then you probably shouldn't be discussing this in the first place. Don't presume to make judgments on players about whom you understand nothing. When one playstyle is rewarded to the detriment of all of the others you have what is known as a "bad design decision". What you don't have is a leg to stand on when trying to tell other players that their playstyle is unimportant because a very small minority of players need to kill fish in a barrel in order to feel fulfilled. This choice of the Devs was nothing more than them throwing PK'rs a bone, as having the book location on an island with no way off was nothing more than that, fish in a barrel. Reading the general chat in game that day was more like watching a bunch of sharks in a feeding frenzy than playing UO.

What I find hilarious are all of the posts and threads created about ways to bring people to Fel, while the people that are already in Fel are doing everything they can to turn other players off from wanting to go there. Watching counterproductivity is always good for a laugh or 2.

And this wins my vote for the most logical post... well said!

Why?? Just why would you create content to cater to very small minority of players that drive other paying players away from your game.

LMAO.. I wouldn't... because I don't create content. But I do have to question what in the world you are referencing? What does his statements about some of the griefing on that island or my agreement have to do with driving the majority away from the game? Did you mean to quote? I'm confused...

Also.. now that I have read the entire thread...

Darkfall IS failing... and fast. There are numerous complaints on ALL boards about no one playing anymore. There is now a delay on the 2010 release... I'm guessing it's due to low numbers (that's called an inference... and may or may not be correct)... AND here... I'll post this source for you... http://www.onlinemassivelymultiplay...ng-everything-to-increase-subscriber-numbers/. That's about the same as UO's Come back to Brit idea... oh wait.. no.. that's worse! UO is an old game...

Also... as I've said before I LOVE PvP... I think it's exciting, hilarious at times, but too fast paced for me. Too many variables.. I'm a control freak. What can I say? That said... I don't think the "ganking" red mentality is what Origins had in mind. Being an adult... with children... when I read some of the Fel posts I cringe. It sounds like the hood telling if you don't want to get shot.. don't leave your house? Come on... I wish you guys would learn the difference between PvP and griefing. PvP is fighting... keyword being FIGHTING against another player... NOT killing everything in sight because you have to show how cool you are. If you go to a champ... you run the RISK of being killed. THAT is game mechanics... If you are standing NAKED at a bank in Fel... and you get killed by some idiot who went out of their way to come across screen and set their GD on you for S&G... that's pathetic. Ridiculous... and the reason why there are so many... "COME TO FEL", "DO EVENTS IN FEL!" "WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE?" posts coming from Feluccans who go out of their way to destroy ANYTHING done in Fel... is beyond me.

I think it was great that they put the last two books in Fel... wait.. I did think that. But out came the griefing. The sometimes Fel mentality. A lot of shards saw reds blocking the book entirely... swarming around it and killing EVERYTHING that tried to come there. There was no fight... that was stupid. Eventually they will do one of two things. Mythic will design events separately. One in Fel and one in Tram and the two sides will never meet... or they will stop hosting in Fel entirely. Who will you guys play with then?

As I said... I like Fel. I like the idea... the concept... I don't mind going to Fel to get scrolls or having to defend a spawn. It's a kick to finish one and leave just as the reds show up. HA.. WE DID IT! You were TOOO LAAAATEEE! That is Fel... as it was meant.

Everything else recently is just ridiculous. And all of you who prevented players from finishing this quest because you could... should be ashamed. It was placed there for interaction. Not for you to take advantage and then act like hoodlums.

OT! I can't agree with your suggestions Coragin.. because I don't think it would accomplish what you are hoping for. Spawns should stay in Fel... Although I would not be opposed to Reds in Tram... they just have to follow Tram rules. That's not difficult. You could also set it so that the Reds get the NPC reaction that everything else negative does. I also think faction items should be dropped from Trammel.. or set that you have to continually earn the right to keep them. That way you can't join factions for the loot. Faction items should be earned... as most PvPers have earned theirs... everyone else should have to as well. Not buy them and then go to Tram and forget about Factions. BAD TRAMMIES!

Please don't get all grumpy on me... this is solely MY opinion and it is not personal. If you start attacking me... I'll only laugh. If you get truly nasty... I might pee a little... but it won't disrupt my good cheer! Happy gaming all!

 

[Lady Michelle]

Many tram guilds can out number fel guilds. And many times has tram guilds been able to hold off the pvp guilds and finish the champ with out loss. Not that are you wrong, but then again...You could completely finish a champ spawn with out a pvp guild ever knowing about it, and thus recieving your reward for taking the risk. Again, I understand your point very well....Being in a guild of 5 people myself (most tram guilds have to be able to out number this) We tend to have to do the same as the tram guild, difference? We are prepared for it, we are also somewhat pvp savy. Most pvp guilds rely on pure numbers and little ability, so even the odds...have the same numbers and you could win.

I once again do not agree with the book being on that island, the one in occlo is fine by me though.

I know I have been with guilds with low numbers we have pulled off spawns, and came out with the scrolls many times more than we got raided. My post was more for the trammel players who wont do it than it was for me.
I wasnt really happy either about the book on the island, but I was going to click on that book no matter what. that is why I posted in another thread how I went about doing it banking everything and not giving murder accounts. So if anyone who wanted to take the chance and not lose any gold or items could do what I did.

 

[Arch Magus]

What I find hilarious are all of the posts and threads created about ways to bring people to Fel, while the people that are already in Fel are doing everything they can to turn other players off from wanting to go there.

Wow, is that what he's trying to do?

Maybe you need to reread the post he made (if you even read it at all) because that's not what he's proposing. :loser:

 

[maroite]

Wow, is that what he's trying to do?

Maybe you need to reread the post he made (if you even read it at all) because that's not what he's proposing. :loser:

Maybe you should reread the quoted text and realize that he didn't even mention this post? He said "all of the posts and threads created about how to bring people to fel". That could or could not include this post, but the use of the plural form is more than enough indication that he wasn't only referring to this post, if at all.

Also, I agree with Connor on that point. Its amusing how there have been so many posts lately about how to fix the problems between fel and trammel but when thrown a bone the reds and people who usually play in fel abuse it and use it as a chance to grief people under the guise of pvp no less. Which in and of itself is laughable.

And then do they honestly wonder why people hate felucca?

Not to mention Trammel and Felucca ARE NOT factions. It amuses me even more how the population has been split between Felucca and Trammel instead of people on Felucca making their own factions and fighting amongst themselves. Instead Felucca has created a faction which targets trammel players, most of whom have no desire to pvp or be in felucca.

So really by the majority of Felucca players uniting and choosing trammel players as their primary target they have in essence created this entire problem for themselves.

 

[Splup]

This pretty much looks like another "Put PS:s to trammel" thread tbh.

And about that book... So the book was put to fel, what freaking else shouldv reds done? I mean, if reds did not attack anyone there, it wouldv been exactly same as putting the book to trammel right? There's prolly like 100+ blues for every red in this game, blues couldv used the fancy chat system and go there with big enough groups. Did they? On some shards maybe, but too often this game is played alone and people don't even try to group up. I heard on some shards there was big blue guilds defending the area from reds and they had a blast, freaking great time.

I get that people don't like to get killed, but if there's noone killing ppl in fel it would be the same to make it trammel. Yeah I know, thieves, which is almost dead class in fel already anyways.

 

[XavierGL]

Coragin, if you don't like the way the game is played now just quit!! God have you ever made a post where your not crying about something?? Go and play with your carebears and my little ponies. I am sick and tired of all the cry babies in this game, OMG we can't get PS's BOO HOO. Leave the game the way it is, or just leave the game either way your pointless crying is getting pathetic

 

[Violence]

@4th Boy
Is it anyone's problem you're getting half-drunk, then want to get social in Fel? Or are you implying I'm getting drunk, then come here and post acting like a bully? Or that I'm an idiot for posting what I want?.. Whatevah.

Seriously, who bothered you? I'll slap their hand.. rolleyes:

I don't know about snot-nosed punks, I know about "other players in the game". If you want to hang out where PVPers and murderers and gangers do, go ahead. You know what might or might not happen before-hand, up to you.

And really what do you care what someone you kill does, a minute later? Your involvement with them ends the minute the fight ends. What exactly are you on about?

I know nothing about Siege, I don't play there. Never will. I have no individual wants nor needs to do so, or to play in Trammel save to find an item every now and then as I refuse to farm them. This whole debate has always been about Trammel players' wants and needs, which seem to be a safe Felucca, a pat on the back from the EMs and the Devs and all that makes Felucca interesting transferred to Trammel, in fact ALONG with the people that play Felucca. Oh and rewards for dragging them there..

If you don't like the scrolls and the scenery wait in Trammel for a Feluccan to log on their blue character and stock their vendor. Problem solved!
Of course it's YOUR risk if you want to get the scrolls yourself, and the scrolls are YOUR reward for it IF you can play ball, so to speak.

As for that last bit, true, true. Ga-ga to the last bit of text. Especially your reply.. Laterz, I suppose.

 

[kelmo]

This flamefest is going nowhere...