Well well well. This is the reason there WONT be a classic server.

[Petra Fyde]

Please try harder to discuss your differences without insults.
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[Nexus]

My attitude has nothing to do with it.

Why do people keep bleeting on about naked chars crafters in fel being attacked etc. Are the fel players supposed to spot a crafter miner naked char and not take any action?

Thing is that's exactly what many people had as their first experience with PKs. It did happen and quite often at that, for many a return to a classic server would mean a return to those days as well. It's why no matter how many carrots the devs dangle under the noses of the player base a majority of them simply won't go to fel.

Fel is supposed to be a ruthless lawless environment all i can see from reading this post is that generally red pvpers are rping their part of the game perfectly well. Ok u get the odd rk but if you get rk'd more than once your not using your brain.

Ruthless, Lawless, Environment? Sure.. that's why they had a bounty board back in the days. Going red was never supposed to be about RP it was punishment for anti-social attitudes.
Can't go to Town
Can't buy from NPC's
Skill Loss
You had a bounty on your head
Could only rez at the Chaos shrine
Sure that sounds like a reward for good RP right there doesn't it?

Just to clarify i dont believe there should be a fel only server because i dont see the need for it. Its about time trammies start to adventure more and stick up to the red population after all you fight tougher oppenents in pvm than in pvp and you outnumber reds.

Why do most of you not wish to step foot in fel... Greed. Want everything with no risk.

Greed has very very little to do with it. For most they simply care absolutely nothing about PvP. There is a huge difference between dying to a Mob and dying to another player. If you die to a mob you know died to an automation, not something with feeling, thought, and intelligence. When you die to another player in PvP you know you died to another human being that actually enjoys disrupting the game play of others to get his kicks.
Besides that Fel on every shard but Siege and Mugen is just as Care Bear as Trammel. There is no risk, you never leave Fel with anything you can't easily replace in the first place thanks to insurance. Even if you died at a spawn to a raid you didn't loose anything major you didn't already have when you logged on that day. Trying to use the concept of Risk vs Reward for Fel game play is 100% a moot point there is no risk anymore only more reward than in Trammel.

 

[ingsmsico]

And look what happens? They make an event that requires you to read a book in Fel and the Reds come out of the woodwork just to kill naked players, res kill and basicly just grief.

if you run around naked in Fel you probably will get killed yes. and res killing has been legal for a very very long time. the solution is to not res in front of people who are going to kill you. it's very simple, actually.

 

[Lefty]

I cannot believe all the crying going on in this thread. When you go to Fel, do not expect to be handed everything on a silver platter. Some things need to be earned, obstacles to be overcome. This was done ages ago before trammel came to being.

Those that hunted prior to Trammel took friends, hired or allied with guilds to protect them. They fought, they planned and achieved their goals.

From my perspective there are 2 major types of players being strategist and item seekers. Most PvPers fall under strategist and generally get items to enhance their play. There goal is to win their next confrontation.

As far as item seekers there are various degrees, but if you rolled out several characters on the book quest I can assure that your play wasn't RP in nature.

Instead of crying foul and pointing fingers, maybe it is time to step back and reflect on your game play.

As far as myself, greed is a very poor motivating factor to play a game.

 

[Kaleb]

Trying to use the concept of Risk vs Reward for Fel game play is 100% a moot point there is no risk anymore only more reward than in Trammel.

Really? When did all the artifacts in the trammel rulesets start spawning in Fel? I may have to start logging on more last time I was on we only had PS,2x resources.

 

[Nexus]

Really? When did all the artifacts in the trammel rulesets start spawning in Fel? I may have to start logging on more last time I was on we only had PS,2x resources.

What Doom arties? Lets see you can obtain them easier through factions and they are superior to the normal drop one's at least for the really useful ones. Oh lets see SoT's yep you get better one's in Fel, hmm.. 10th anny arties yea they drop in Fel...

Don't get me wrong I've been saying Reds shouldn't be restricted to Fel for ever, they should have access to all facets since they are harmless outside Fel, but I also do not approve of people saying "Risk vs Reward" as like I said you never ever leave fel anymore with less than you can obtain with a handful of mongbat loot. It's not about what you get in Fel, it's about what you loose..... Let me put it this way, you got to a spawn you get a 120 mage, get raided right as the boss falls and get looted.... Ok when you logged in you didn't have a 120 mage right? What did you lose some bandies or some pots? You didn't really make any negative progress. You guys keep focusing on the short term, not the long term long term there is no risk involved with Fel at all no more than in Tram.

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

Nexus has a point, despite his inability to get it across well enough for most to understand.

 

[Aran]

Thanks for proving my point guys, the PvP'ers of today are nothing like it used to be. Bunch of foul mouthed kids that gank, zerg and grief. And thats exactly what happened from what I am reading.

Sounds like they're just like they used to, to me...

 

[Morgana LeFay (PoV)]

Why all the long posts?

This issue can be summed up by just posting:

I don't mind PvP.

or

I am so afraid of PvP that I wouldn't even want it happening on a server I wouldn't even play on.

Done.

 

[Kaleb]

What Doom arties? Lets see you can obtain them easier through factions and they are superior to the normal drop one's at least for the really useful ones. Oh lets see SoT's yep you get better one's in Fel, hmm.. 10th anny arties yea they drop in Fel...

Don't get me wrong I've been saying Reds shouldn't be restricted to Fel for ever, they should have access to all facets since they are harmless outside Fel, but I also do not approve of people saying "Risk vs Reward" as like I said you never ever leave fel anymore with less than you can obtain with a handful of mongbat loot. It's not about what you get in Fel, it's about what you loose..... Let me put it this way, you got to a spawn you get a 120 mage, get raided right as the boss falls and get looted.... Ok when you logged in you didn't have a 120 mage right? What did you lose some bandies or some pots? You didn't really make any negative progress. You guys keep focusing on the short term, not the long term long term there is no risk involved with Fel at all no more than in Tram.

Spawns/harrower=Good fight most of the time, Its something you cant put a price on win or loose. As for faction arties they are ok and not really needed the caps are easy to obtain even more than ever with imbuing, personally I dont use em. besides It hasn't stopped the trammie (sorry for those who are easily offended but there is no other word that fits that discription of playstyle) From obtaining them, thats why a lot of us real factioners who are in it to PvP want faction fighting to be able to take place anywhere. People need to wake up, Year round how many EM/DeV events have been based around the trammel ruleset compared to fel? 2 books are in fel easy to get, and a few get their panties bunched up. Dont you see that as a bit silly? Im sure the devs are laughing it up atm.

 

[Tukaram]

Why all the long posts?

This issue can be summed up by just posting:

I don't mind PvP.

or

I am so afraid of PvP that I wouldn't even want it happening on a server I wouldn't even play on.

Done.

And that shows your total lack of understanding of your fellow players. You seem to enjoy PvP and think cowardice must be the only reason greedy players don't want it. This is also the view a lot of the devs have shown over the years.

How about I enjoy PvM (mostly fishing, t-hunting, solens, and demon temple in my case). I do not enjoy PvP, especially the smack talk from the PvP'ers. I play the game to relax and have fun. Some find PvP fun, some don't. I have no problem with that. There is enough room for all the playstyles, but it is not utilized well. If you take part in PvP a lot and you end up red... now you are locked out of a majority of the game by simply playing the game. That has never made sense.

I don't care what they do to Fel or a classic server. I'd love to see something get done so we can move on. But this has gone on since the abortive Fel/Tram split. Separate servers back then would have been better than separate facets on the same servers.

 

[Nexus]

Year round how many EM/DeV events have been based around the trammel ruleset compared to fel? 2 books are in fel easy to get, and a few get their panties bunched up. Dont you see that as a bit silly? Im sure the devs are laughing it up atm.

I can answer that one I've asked I've gotten answers. It's simple there are two reasons. First the majority of the player base isn't in Fel. Secondly it is almost impossible to have an event in Fel everyone enjoys simply because too many cannot control their baser instincts and raid it like its nickel long neck night at the only bar in town, that creates chaos pure and simple, and it's impossible to control. Want to complain about EM events not happening in Fel? Look and the mirror and point the finger at the person you see that's likely one of the people responsible. That is the fundamental flaw every single one of the PvP "Give Reds better treatment" band wagoners can't comprehend, it is because of their own lack of self control that more isn't handed to them. They get an inch they want a mile, where is the down side to being Red anymore......oh wait I know....

I don't see it as silly or funny, they have always tried to have being Red come with some type of punishment, since there is no real "risk" involved in PvP anymore on regular Prodo shards guess what... there is your punishment so in that since yea they are probably laughing up their sleeves not because they are out to screw over Reds but because players can't understand that being Red brings about certain restrictions.

 

[maroite]

Why all the long posts?

This issue can be summed up by just posting:

I don't mind PvP.

or

I am so afraid of PvP that I wouldn't even want it happening on a server I wouldn't even play on.

Done.

or...

"I `know` pvp in the biblical sense!"

or

"I don't know pvp and dont want to."

 

[Nexus]

And that shows your total lack of understanding of your fellow players. You seem to enjoy PvP and think cowardice must be the only reason greedy players don't want it. This is also the view a lot of the devs have shown over the years.

How about I enjoy PvM (mostly fishing, t-hunting, solens, and demon temple in my case). I do not enjoy PvP, especially the smack talk from the PvP'ers. I play the game to relax and have fun. Some find PvP fun, some don't. I have no problem with that. There is enough room for all the playstyles, but it is not utilized well. If you take part in PvP a lot and you end up red... now you are locked out of a majority of the game by simply playing the game. That has never made sense.

I don't care what they do to Fel or a classic server. I'd love to see something get done so we can move on. But this has gone on since the abortive Fel/Tram split. Separate servers back then would have been better than separate facets on the same servers.

I agree with you on this, I mean sure I enjoy PvM but I also venture into the PvP world, though I play a thief, and I'm not really a "fighter". I don't mind either, but I see the strengths and weaknesses of both sides of the game. And I promise every one that thinks Greed is the main motivator keeping people out of PvP and in Trammel ruleset facets I can tell you it's not, at least not for the majority of us. I don't see Trammies stocking vendors with 120 scrolls at outrageous prices, sure the new arties are expensive but before that the major players in the high dollar market where PvPers. I don't see most "Trammies" Running around with outrageously expensive suits either, so no Greed isn't the major motivator I'd have to say that if anything the opposite is true. PvPers are greedy, they have to be to support their playstyle...

 

[Arch Magus]

Why all the long posts?

This issue can be summed up by just posting:

I don't mind PvP.

or

I am so afraid of PvP that I wouldn't even want it happening on a server I wouldn't even play on.

Done.

hehe, so absolutely true!

 

[Coragin]

Dance puppets, dance!

 

[Petra Fyde]

Done.

hehe, so absolutely true!

Oh good!