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[Storm]

It has been explained in the past by developers why the CC does not have some of the features the EC does! its a matter of coding a client that is 12+ years old! and from my understanding of the posts in some cases it cant be done and in others the potential for disaster with the cc!

The simple answer would have been to make everyone use the EC! but because people are so attached to the cc they have tried to make everyone happy!

I to like the cc But I use 95% of the time the EC!

and if you want to see those posts feel free to use the search methods provided and you can see for your self what I am saying!

And trying to say people are cheating by using the EC is borderline trolling and inflammatory !

 

[Lord Chaos]

I haven't said you're a cheater. I don't know how you play the game, but you are advocating allowing cheating to continue, unchecked, in our current game. A situation that most players have abhored for years and are eagerly awaiting a fix for. In my judgement, and apparently Kelmo's, that thread could go nowhere but downhill into a troll fest. Therefore it was locked.

Ok, now I gotta throw the same question back at you that you once asked me...where are you getting this "most" from? What are you basing this on? Do you have any factual backing for it? Apart from the few posters, what do you actually know of what the majority of UO players feel (to the point of being abhored and eagerly waiting).

the thread was ultimately something for the devs, so the discussion was somewhat irrelevant rehashing, but devs won't see locked threads that run off the front page. And seriously, if it degenerates into a rule breaking scenario, then let the people answer for it, its not a legits threads fault that some people go overboard.

As llewyn(sp) puts it, there are camps...and your "camp" has ruined so much of the game I love for me and the people I care about, far far more than the worst scripter or duper ever did. But of course that doesn't matter, because in that narrow view there's only one true form of players and thats the ones that agree with your vision. In that sense your "camp" is not much different than the classic server camp. Hellbent on a goal and conclusion, damned be the costs.

 

[Splup]

LOL!11!

I will ask my father to ban you from Internet, he invented it.

 

[sablestorm]

Simple reason the Lamp Post was Locked is I could see nothing good coming from it by some of the sarcastic comments being made right off, the bs wasn't needed. So I asked Petra to Lock the post... No Mod intervention at all it was My Wish

This is just as bad as bad moderating, in my opinion, but it's on the part of a poster rather than a mod. You may "own" your post, but you don't "own" the discussions which follow. Next thing you'll see is people requesting their posts be locked to prevent dissenting opinions being posted alongside their own in fear their own positions might be undermined.

I will concede it's annoying having to deal with sarcastic comments. In general the negative tenor of Stratics UHall typically drives me off to greener pastures where I can celebrate UO rather than listen to people constantly whining about it. Nevertheless, these are discussion boards. If a discussion hasn't spiraled out of control, why kill it?

 

[Beer_Cayse]

RTLFC

<shakes head> I can't believe it ... this thread and some remarks in it have actually caused me to add a name or 2 to my ignore list!

 

[Connor_Graham]

...and you're not alone. I have no idea where these new abbreviations keep coming from.

New? That abbreviation has been around for quite a few years now.

 

[Storm]

I think a lot of people would be surprised at what they don't see that goes on behind the scenes here! WE have our own forums where we discuss the best way to handle things and where we ask for help when we are not sure what to do about certain situations!
So when people say certain mods are making things go there way because they dont like something is way way off base and not even close to the truth!
If people would just be civil to each other and not attack each other and stay on the original topic We would not even need mods!
And no matter what we as mods do, even if we do nothing we make someone mad and are targeted as being unfair!

 

[Connor_Graham]

However if I've removed a lot of posts from a thread (sometimes one goes very bad in just a few minutes during busy times)...

Like one of those started by popps?


*looks innocent*

rolleyes:

 

[kelmo]

*attacks Storm*

 

[Storm]

* looks around for a trout to smack Kelmo with*

Ok Kelmo is here to save the day ;-) I am going real life fishing you all have fun now lol!

 

[hen]

I think a lot of people would be surprised at what they don't see that goes on behind the scenes here! WE have our own forums where we discuss the best way to handle things and where we ask for help when we are not sure what to do about certain situations!
So when people say certain mods are making things go there way because they dont like something is way way off base and not even close to the truth!
If people would just be civil to each other and not attack each other and stay on the original topic We would not even need mods!
And no matter what we as mods do, even if we do nothing we make someone mad and are targeted as being unfair!

This is simply not human nature as the last few thousand years have shown.

 

[Storm]

This is simply not human nature as the last few thousand years have shown.

I agree and that is why you all have us to attempt to keep the peace all we ask is to remember we are human and have feelings and faults just like everyone else! and we really do try to make these forums a place for everyone!

 

[Beer_Cayse]

...and you're not alone. I have no idea where these new abbreviations keep coming from.

You gotta be kidding! I never would have guessed that.

For you and sable and anyone else wanting to know what abbreviations mean: Internet Slang/Internet Dictionary

 

[sablestorm]

I agree and that is why you all have us to attempt to keep the peace all we ask is to remember we are human and have feelings and faults just like everyone else! and we really do try to make these forums a place for everyone!

Well, the original intent of my post wasn't an attack against the mods but a request for a policy change. It has now come out that Snakeman requested his thread be locked. I'm against allowing this too because you don't know who still wants their say on a topic and so long as it's within reason, they should have their opportunity.

 

[kelmo]

Let the Mods do their jobs and just enjoy the ride. *tips hat*

 

[Petra Fyde]

My camp? What 'camp' is that?
I ask for no game changes
I ask for no nerfs or buffs.
I am one of the few players who actually play the game as it is, as the developers have developed it. I adapt my playing to what's there without expecting everything to adapt to me.
I abhor cheaters, and don't cheat myself. But I don't presume to tell the developers what they should do about it. It's THEIR game, which I play.
I will support the game, and its players to the very best of my ability. But I will not presume to tell players how they should play it or developers how they should develop it.
And that's me done with this subject.

 

[Old Man of UO]

I've seen bad moderators, and Stratics has had a few... and in my opinion they got rid of them just in time. I like this group of moderators; they each have their own personalities, but have a great sense of humor. I don't always agree with what they say or do, but respect them I do and they do a better job than I could.

I see Petra Fyde and the "mother hen" of the group and can't even begin to say how much things have improved over the past year. Others I am sure could have done as well and she didn't do it alone, but she is the one who oversaw many of these changes. Petra seems to have the personality for it.


How to be a Bad Moderator

1. Don't visit the forums you are moderating often. Twice a month is enough. Nobody cares.
2. Don't start new threads at your forum. That's the users' responsibility. You are only there for editing and deleting threads.
3. Argue with users as much as you can. You don't have anything to loose since you are the moderator. Never bring personal matters to private messages. And remember that your opinion is the only one that counts.
4. Don't respect the other members, make fun of them. If they make spelling errors then criticize them, if they have a poor or unargumented opinion destroy them with words. If they ask for help about using the forum don't help them.
5. If nobody answers a thread don't answer yourself, the user didn't wanted an answer anyway.
6. If a user makes a dupe thread in the forum don't be nice, it's the users’ fault not to know the 40+ pages that the forum has in search of a similar thread. And never ever give him a link to the content he is searching for.
7. Don't edit the bad words in posts. Fights are fun!
8. If a user is misbehaving ban him immediately, don't try sending him a private message or a warning, it's useless.
9. Close all the threads you want. Users love to see closed threads.
10. A way to be cool is to talk about the private forum threads in the public forum. Administrators love the fact that you tell all the users about the content of the private threads.

 

[Uriah Heep]

the "mother hen" of the group

*chuckles*

We could all learn a lot from Petra, The Mother Hen, and Kelmo...

 

[Beer_Cayse]

... Kelmo...

Uh huh. Kelmo, our gruff but caring "Father figure"? rolleyes:

 

[Old Man of UO]

*chuckles*

We could all learn a lot from Petra, The Mother Hen, and Kelmo...

How I see Kelmo....

 

[Uriah Heep]

Well, not to derail the thread since it's moving along so nicely *smirks*
But I have long admired Kelmo for his ability to do his job without holding grudges...and keeping a sense of humor while doing it

The three named above ahve been very patient teachers *grins*

 

[Evlar]

I think the mods here are just fine.

I moderate on the official forums for another game. Same sort of things happen there, as go on here.

*shrugs*

People seem to forget, that most moderators of forums such as these, are volounteers. They're forum users just like anyone else, they just have extra buttons they can press within the forum software, plus they have their own area where they can discuss exciting things like "user not required", IP bans and such

So quit biatching!

 

[Black Sun]

How I see Kelmo....

I've seen his picture, he's not as good looking as that chap.
*runs off to hide*

 

[Derium of ls]

Can maybe we just get a bit more information when a thread is locked? I forget the thread but they said something to the effect of; "I'm tired of this thread" (as I said before) and that puts out a VERY negative feel to the community. I'm not asking for a paragraph or so explaining every thought to us, but a simple "OP requested lock" or "I'm tired of this thread because..." would do nicely. Plus it would make us aware of why our things get locked, so we might be able to avoid doing so in the future.

Ever notice on shows like Cops, when they arrest someone and tell them why they are under arrest, people tend to go more willingly. Yet when the person is yelling "why are you arresting me!?" and the cops won't give an answer yet, the people tend to resist and cause more problems.

I'll admit, when my last thread was locked I took it VERY personal. My question still was not really answered, I was getting trolled, and even though I did give into the troll I was able to squelch them half way through the thread. The conversations were also getting back on topic. So why lock a thread because it had a moment of unrest? Since it's back on topic and people are following the rules, I would have thought that would trump the trolling that has ended. I even stated to the person trolling the only way I would respond to them was via PM or I offered them my phone number.

I think part of my bitterness is because it seems too easy for someone to come in and derail someones thread and get it locked. Of course I'm not blaming the Mods for that, but it's still annoying.

 

[Derium of ls]

and as a side note, on the darkfall forums while we were waiting for their website to work again to order the game, I rickrolled in a thread... I was banned for life from their forums because "we do not tolerate the sh*t".

 

[Black Sun]

Ever notice on shows like Cops, when they arrest someone and tell them why they are under arrest, people tend to go more willingly. Yet when the person is yelling "why are you arresting me!?" and the cops won't give an answer yet, the people tend to resist and cause more problems.

If we're going to start taking procedure cues from law enforcement I want a taser.

 

[Chardonnay]

I would like to say the [email protected] was a complete waste of time i never received a answer back about ****...

That is all...

Atleast the admin and mods are consistent...

 

[Old Man of UO]

I would like to say the [email protected] was a complete waste of time i never received a answer back about ****...

That is all...

Atleast the admin and mods are consistent...

I have ALWAYS received an answer when I PM one of the Mods, and would suggest that first. It's always possible that the above email goes nowhere now, with all the past moderator changes.

 

[Derium of ls]

If we're going to start taking procedure cues from law enforcement I want a taser.

*walks away very slowly...*

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

Isn't the public discussion of moderator activities, which this thread is by definition engaging in, against the terms of service?

I know I've been told that more than once.

*chuckles, shrugs*

Oh well.

-Galen's player

 

[Chardonnay]

I have ALWAYS received an answer when I PM one of the Mods, and would suggest that first. It's always possible that the above email goes nowhere now, with all the past moderator changes.

I don't want to talk to ANY mods i want to talk to who we supposedly suppose to to talk if someone has a problem...

 

[Chardonnay]

Isn't the public discussion of moderator activities, which this thread is by definition engaging in, against the terms of service?

I know I've been told that more than once.

*chuckles, shrugs*

Oh well.

-Galen's player

*chuckles, shrugs*

:loser:

 

[Stupid Miner]

One of the issues with text is you can't hear the tone in the words.

Is what emoticons are for!

... hm, odd having a green one in there, wonder if he's sick?

 

[Magdalene]

I would like to say the [email protected] was a complete waste of time i never received a answer back about ****...

That is all...

Atleast the admin and mods are consistent...

You're right and wrong at the same time.

You're right - we should have answered you by now, sorry.
You're wrong if you think nothing happened "behind the scenes" - the issue you raised was discussed by the admins and we talked to a moderator whose actions you questioned - about that part you will not be informed in detail anyway. As far as infraction goes - you should receive a note very shortly whether it was lifted or not.

(the question was asked in public, so I reply publicly, but from now on it goes back to PM-email level, thank you).

 

[Chardonnay]

You're right and wrong at the same time.

You're right - we should have answered you by now, sorry.
You're wrong if you think nothing happened "behind the scenes" - the issue you raised was discussed by the admins and we talked to a moderator whose actions you questioned - about that part you will not be informed in detail anyway. As far as infraction goes - you should receive a note very shortly whether it was lifted or not.

(the question was asked in public, so I reply publicly, but from now on it goes back to PM-email level, thank you).

 

[Chardonnay]

(the question was asked in public, so I reply publicly, but from now on it goes back to PM-email level, thank you).

I mentioned no names just a GENERAL question...or does violate RoC too?

 

[Kiminality]

...and your "camp" has ruined so much of the game I love for me and the people I care about, far far more than the worst scripter or duper ever did.

And your "camp" ruins the forums for me, every time I stumble across one of your winding trails of letters.
Let's all cry on the internet when we don't agree with someone, and blame them for the completely unrelated things.

 

[Lord Chaos]

My camp? What 'camp' is that?
I ask for no game changes
I ask for no nerfs or buffs.
I am one of the few players who actually play the game as it is, as the developers have developed it. I adapt my playing to what's there without expecting everything to adapt to me.
I abhor cheaters, and don't cheat myself. But I don't presume to tell the developers what they should do about it. It's THEIR game, which I play.
I will support the game, and its players to the very best of my ability. But I will not presume to tell players how they should play it or developers how they should develop it.
And that's me done with this subject.

So you don't want to answer the question, which was the crux of the matter?

How can you presume to speak for the majority of UO players without the slightest evidence or MMO history to support the stance?

Fair enough and you do presume, as you've stated you support the drive toward some sort of anti-cheat system and you abjor cheaters (which is telling players not to cheat, ergo how to play their game)

 

[Lord Chaos]

And your "camp" ruins the forums for me, every time I stumble across one of your winding trails of letters.
Let's all cry on the internet when we don't agree with someone, and blame them for the completely unrelated things.

Then he's a clue from the smart people, don't...read...the...thread.

 

[Petra Fyde]

I said: And that's me done with this subject.

 

[Lord Chaos]

I said: And that's me done with this subject.

And I said thats fine, merely added that this means you jumped around the main question, which was the crux of the matter.

In the end I believe in hard truth and reality.

 

[Tazar]

I mentioned no names just a GENERAL question...or does violate RoC too?

A general question about mod/admin actions is a violation of the ROC if it is posted on the forum. We prefer to handle any such issues on a PM level as we consider it inappropriate to discuss details of a warning/infraction/ban on the public forum. This is private matter regarding the account of the member asking the question so we generally try to keep it private...

But since you asked on the public forum anyway, Magdalene was kind enough to provide you with a general answer (to your general question) and refer you back to PM where the conversation should be.

 

[Tazar]

Then he's a clue from the smart people, don't...read...the...thread.

OK...

We are down to insults and off-topic comments in a thread that has already run far longer than it should have.

*installs padlock*