Archer vs Mage = Mage Mage Mage, why? (PVP)

[Vaelix]

Uh-Oh

The last Devs that said that were MrTact and Speedman. What did we get?

Machine gun Archers

Machine gun Archers with Perfection and LS

Death strike archers

Dog Archers

Machine gun Archers with WOD

Machine gun Archers with high property bows

Dismount Archers

Archer tamers

Mystic Archers

Man it is kind of like 31 flavors ...

Ok enough. Just do not play an archer. Play a mage.

But none of that was over powered, what is overpowered is that Parry Mages actually have a chance against others!

*Plays a mage*

 

[Divster]

I'll tell you I'm trying to learn how to PvP mage myself. I'm finding it fun if a bit challenging ... trying to get my template right ... I think it's a growth thing for me ...

And no I will not PvP anyone on a Live shard ... yet ...

well please do before you make any further changes!

 

[red sky]

Someone delete this useless thread already. Please.

 

[Chardonnay]

What if I play a Archer, I can not kill the Mage?
I can kill him if he would stand and not move ..
Have you ever Developers, Archer played against the Mage?
Mage 120 parruying, 120 Bushido (45/75 dci), how do I kill him? if my arm goes past ...
One invas Mani, and the magician is full of life
My Archer - 190 stamina (45hci,100di,55ssi,50ep,50hld,)
You just mess up this class, and I even no desire to fight against Mage, TK I'M INTERESSNO DRINK FROM BANKS AND GET 10 arrows 1.
Think.
My ping 70/90 - I can not physically play the Mage

Your avatar fits your thread...

 

[Rumpelstiltskin]

Look A dexxer can be great But since the beginning of UO a dexxer can only be so good,

they have a glass ceiling, because their entire damage is based on RNG, this has been said many many times.. Now what makes you a good dexxer is the ability to take a mage dump when the rng kicks in, and be able sustain a exp eb fs lighting without leaving screen. Now if you are on a dexxer you miss x6 in a row, well your just **** out of luck and if it pisses you off play a mage and your spells will never miss,

 

[Small]

Your avatar fits your thread...

Eyes closed, I can tell, you play a mage
Would you like to play Archer?

 

[deraiky]

People are so deluded.. its incredible..

 

[Alezi]

I'll tell you I'm trying to learn how to PvP mage myself. I'm finding it fun if a bit challenging ... trying to get my template right ... I think it's a growth thing for me ...

And no I will not PvP anyone on a Live shard ... yet ...

If I renew my subscription next month will you mage-duel me on Europa?

 

[Smoot]

I'm not even going to comment on how funny this post is. But i do think there is one thing worth mentioning. The New Gear. Damage Eater / Fire Eater makes the majority of mage spells very ineffective. Sadly, unless the caps on pvp mage sdi are raised the new gear stats look like they will kill the pure pvp mage.

 

[WarUltima]

Hmm so there are still dexers out there that dies to a pure DEFENSIVE mage 1v1 eh. I dont know how you managed to do it but if you dont get it try to play a mage... oh and I already play an archer which imo is one of the most powerful PvP template. I have yet to die to mages 1v1 because it's so easy to offscreen from a mage (when RNG makes me whiff whiff whiff) there's just nothing they can do about it. And when they try to offscreen against an archer/archers? they get moving shot spammed (that also procs fireball and velocity) right up their asses.

 

[G.v.P]

Forgive me if someone has already said this, but in a straight up duel, archers should never be as good as a mage or dexxer. It just doesn't make sense. Archers should always be support chars in PvP :/. Damn moving shot, conc, double lol .

 

[G.v.P]

I'll tell you I'm trying to learn how to PvP mage myself. I'm finding it fun if a bit challenging ... trying to get my template right ... I think it's a growth thing for me ...

And no I will not PvP anyone on a Live shard ... yet ...

Give up on your Thrower too, Cal?

Actually, Cal, what's your main?

 

[Lythos-]

I'll tell you I'm trying to learn how to PvP mage myself. I'm finding it fun if a bit challenging ... trying to get my template right ... I think it's a growth thing for me ...

And no I will not PvP anyone on a Live shard ... yet ...

IRONY:

The main man that has access to all game mechanics with the click of a mouse is having trouble getting his template right.

 

[Violence]

That must be you "SMALL", right? In [SL] Faction, in Europa? Frequenting Yew Gate, Felucca, with your 2-3 Dismount/Archer/Stealther friends all named "Black Dragon"?

If I am right, I have a few words of advise. If not, ignore this message altogether and never mind it.

Let's see..
4 out of 5 times we've "fought" you've attempted to jump me 3 on 1. I say "attempted" because you apparently failed. And you three often fail to be honest, as I notice sitting in my house around that area.
And you failed even on that last attempt earlier today when you were on your own, which ended up with me hunting you down all over Yew until I was really tired and you got in a Paralyse Shot with your bow- Which set me back in my hunting you down. Good call that, seeing you were really desperate to escape.

So, you're unable to kill your target and I personally have no Healing nor Parrying and play a melee Ninja/Poisoner so I can see why you are so troubled as to seek help.

I have to say, you and your friends are doing something VERY wrong. In fact the only thing you're doing RIGHT, is spamming GCures and if you couldn't do that I'd be really surprised by your incompetence. But, back to the point, I cannot really come out and tell you how to kill, but you need to examine your approach. If I can live through all that you dish out(let alone live through all that the 3 of you dish out), any template with Magery will not only survive your attacks but also probably defeat you.

And it will not have much to do with your Net speed. I can deal with casters and I am between 60 to 80 MS for a week now. Mind you, not completely destroy them, but I'm fine so to speak. Also from what I've gathered there are some speed adjustments coming soon, courtesy of EA/M, supposedly balancing speed differences between players.

Now my advise, which may sound a bit offending(depending on how seriously you take yourself I suppose) :

- Do not confuse ill-conceived gang attempts with what you claim to be 1-On-1 here on the Forums where no-one can really see what it is you're doing and tend to assume you're being honest.

- Your character(all our templates, except "Flavour-Of-The-Week" ones when available, like yours at one time) is set so it can kill certain other characters, but it can also be killed by particular others. If one "class" is giving you trouble, move on. Pick your fights carefully.
Or change "flavour" if you know what I mean. rolleyes: Chiv/Archery isn't exactly that good compared to other Archery templates(and it does look like Archery definitely is a "flavour" that will be staying for a while, by the way).

- A Bushido/Parry/Mage can prove especially difficult to kill for weapon-based templates depending on their items and personal skill. Perhaps you should try disarming them which removes half their template effectively. I am almost certain that while a character is under the "Disarm" effect they cannot even arm a shield, though I can't remember if you can Disarm a shield as well with a second Disarm still. I think that was a bug and no longer stands.

- It is not a particular template you're having issues with, your problem is your basic approach to PVP as I said and that is my opinion which you can of course tell me to shove it, or adjust your tactics. What I am saying is indicated by your running off, your constant ganging attempts and such. rolleyes: At least seeing how you know how and when to run away spamming all kinds of potions on the run, I can tell you you've conquered the first step : Managing to stay alive on a 1-On-1 against a melee character, even if it means you constantly run. ;S And I'm not being ironic either!

 

[Splup]

. I am almost certain that while a character is under the "Disarm" effect they cannot even arm a shield, though I can't remember if you can Disarm a shield as well with a second Disarm still. I think that was a bug and no longer stands.

Shields can no longer be disarmed. And also one of SMALL:s problems is his weapons. Most of his weapons are not enhanced, I suggest SMALL get imbued+enhanced weps with 40 SSI.

 

[Harlequin]

To sum this all up.

months ago it was "Archers spam moving shot, unbalanced!"

Exploit for insanely high archery removed, mages learned to put parry on to fight archers.

"Mages are so unbalanced, they block my arrows! How is dat possible!?!?!?! Nooooooo!"

So we're left with "Adapt or Whine."

You can Adapt
- Change your archer to have magic offensive abilities to compete with matches you can't hit.

- Add Fencing or wrestling to disarm the mage weapon then quick swap to bow

-ect

You can Whine

-Post on stratics demanding a nerf to the template you can't beat.

Option 2 helps no one.

Option 1 helps yourself.

Speaking about that, an archer with moving shot should never ever lose to a mage 1v1. Even after the they nerfed JOAT to let the skills qualify for mana cost reduction.

An archer when hurt badly, can keep running away to heal/confidence/pot while still being able to attack offensively. Just 1 bow with moving shot is good enough, plus 1 or 2 more for specials you can switch between. No need to carry 20 weapons around.

A mage will freeze in place while casting spells. So as the mage run away to heal/confidence/pot, he can't go on the offensive at the same time.

Now, add in explosion pots. Archers can throw pots without worrying about the target cursor screwing up their spell targeting cursor.

Next, if you archer has skills like ninjitsu, that will qualify you for the mana cost reduction at 300 skill points, you aren't affected by the JOAT nerf.

Mages do not have that option.



It's about knowing the weakness of other templates and playing to your own strengths. If you are losing to a mage as an archer, you need to rethink your strategy rather than focusing on gear.

 

[Small]

Shields can no longer be disarmed. And also one of SMALL:s problems is his weapons. Most of his weapons are not enhanced, I suggest SMALL get imbued+enhanced weps with 40 SSI.

I have all weapon for more than 40 Ssi
The problem is not in it...
So, I do not wish to play the Fencer of the Archer - I wish to play the pure Archer.
The problem is not in me - I of charms on the mage very often does misses, because of it skills and 45 + dchi
When I am at war 1x1 with the mage - I simply do not have desire to be at war with it, it is waste bottle

 

[Small]

...

In fact my nickname in the game

SMALL SL Pwn.

I wanted to ask your nickname, something would have to understand who you are

Yes, and I have no friends stelserov, I have enemies stelsery that its boom, may make cancer part of my char: D
But you probably something confusing, very long time in the game I play 1, which is a very big mistake
I am a single parish, I have always been fighting with the players against a 2/3/4/5
1x1 - very rarely have to fight, as you begin to fight, immediately call your friends for help
When I kill the 2/3/4 player - is it war? against 1 player? No, of course, so often fall:%)
I think you confuse something

 

[WarUltima]

If you are losing to a mage as an archer, you need to rethink your strategy rather than focusing on gear.

This... read it over and over.

I have yet died to ANY mage 1v1 on my archer. Given that I run when I have to but hey offscreen is essentially "God Mode" against a mage. And most importantly our DEV thinks its fine so why not use it like everyone else. Oh and dont be stupid and get fielded in between houses or get stuck somewhere, and if you did it's YOU that's incapable of PvP properly not your character.

 

[SixUnder]

there is well there are very few mages these days.

what they have done is added, and in no specific order, other complately seperate casting classes... i.e. nerco, spellweave, mystic, etc..

those arent mages, and in my opinion if you have magery, you should have a penalty for adding to your class.

people gonna say huh?

what no one seems to want to talk about is combining necro with mystic is absoulty devasting.

with 120 resist still fail to resist sleep. ok curse, usually takes twice with apple timer..explo...hailstorm, spell trigger pick your poison.

the real problem lies in the combination of classes not in one class.

 

[Berethrain]

Let me sum the answer up to this thread in one post.


If you cannot kill a mage with an archer 1 vs 1, it's not an imbalance. You're just not that good.

 

[SixUnder]

speaking of mystics..

is anything going to be done with hailstorm dmg? spell triggers?
the casting delays? or how about getting dimsounted when your a mystic goin into that rock dude form and outrunning people on horse back? lol

or how about the bug with the healing stone? healing 90+ hp with a use.

how about having 120 resist and failing to resist sleep. thats just wonderful.

 

[Taylor]

Right archer with the right suit can kill anyone. Even I know that and I'm a trammie, lol. What's your template? Maybe we can help you improve.

 

[Small]

My Skills:
120 Archery
120 Resist Spels
110 Anatomy
110 Tactic
90 Meditation
90 healing
60 Chivarly

I here think, can make here so?

120 Archery
120 Resist Spels
120 Anatomy
120 Tactic
120 Meditation
90 healing
0 Chivarly

classic archer

55 ssi, 190 stamins, 55 DI, 50 EP, 45 HCI, 40 LMK 35 DCHI, 30 HLD,138 str/ 137 hp 150 dex, 96 mana + weapons bows

 

[Taylor]

Your gear is better than mine. Hmm...

One possible fun option would be to stone 120 resist for 120 weaving. Pixies of doom! Plus, more survivability due to gift of renewal and attunement. Of course, this would assume that your shard has enough weavers for you to get reliable focus.

 

[Death Adder]

My Skills:
120 Archery
120 Resist Spels
110 Anatomy
110 Tactic
90 Meditation
90 healing
60 Chivarly

I here think, can make here so?

120 Archery
120 Resist Spels
120 Anatomy
120 Tactic
120 Meditation
90 healing
0 Chivarly

classic archer

55 ssi, 190 stamins, 55 DI, 50 EP, 45 HCI, 40 LMK 35 DCHI, 30 HLD,138 str/ 137 hp 150 dex, 96 mana + weapons bows

IMO this template doesn't have enough offense to kill people 1v1. It would function best as a support character. Your only damage output is your bow and maybe Holy Light... you don't really have any way to stack damage (unless you use GE pots) or interrupt spells/healing consistently, and you are way too vulnerable to the (overpowered) Disarm special. I've thought ever since AOS that pure dexxers aren't nearly as effective as hybrids, who can stack well and have options when Disarmed.

I would consider dropping Tactics to 90, Anatomy to 81 or 61, and maybe lowering Med to make room for an additional skill like Ninjitsu (for stars/shuriken for disrupting and blocking heals, plus Dismount protection) or SW, or even considering major surgery to your temp to allow addition of a Necro/SS or Mystic/Focus combo. I'm currently running a Necro Archer (kind of an old school temp these days) and having things like Corpse Skin (with a 100% poison bow), Poison Strike, Pain Spike, Blood Oath and Strangle are very helpful in stacking damage and getting quicker kills.

In any case, seeing how your template is so limited in its offense, I'm not surprised that mages can hang with you. Even 1 or 2 misses gives them time to heal up, and your only blocking options (mortal and maybe serpent arrow) are pretty easily thwarted via items (plus mortal is overrated, my Necro can heal right through it with his various drains and SS).

 

[Locryn Finck]

This thread is hilarious.

Archery could be deleted from the game and it would be a benefit. It is BY FAR the easiest skill to master in UO from a player input perspective. You don't even have the concern of proximity that melee does.

The mobility means that you have to risk almost nothing in fights - if you don't want to die 1v1, you don't have to. If you come in unprepared and suicidal, that is your problem. Play your cards right, and its only a matter of time before the RNG hands you a well timed mortal or AI.

I know several players who are actually delusional enough to believe that they possess more "Skill" on their archer than mages do. People need to be realistic. It is beginner level pvp. If a friend was wanting to pvp effectively in UO and had never played, I could have him trained, scrolled and outfitted to wtfpwn on an archer in a week for about 20m. ANYBODY can play an archer. ANY-BODY.

PS

To the person saying that UO used to be MORE about player skill in the old days: Stop. Just stop. Non Archery based UO pvp is more complicated and intense now than at any time in UO's history.

 

[KalVasTENKI]

hmm what did they remove the 80 dex req for parry?

No way... That template is crap anyways. No dexxer can hit you but to actually kill somebody 1v1 on that template is stupid hard. Not worth it , just rock 70% DCI and everything is cash. :gun:

 

[Violence]

SMALL SL Pwn.
I wanted to ask your nickname, something would have to understand who you are

The name is right on my signature below, I have nothing to hide and I have nothing to be confused about. I won't turn this into a trolling session so I'm resting my case as I've offered any and all advise I had to offer to the likes of you. I'm certainly not in the mood to incite more of your VERY incomprehensible replies. No offense, not everyone's English, but I just don't care enough to decipher it all. Your average performance on the field speaks for itself quite universally.

Enjoy the game- Errr, the "war". rolleyes:

 

[Small]

The name is right on my signature below, I have nothing to hide and I have nothing to be confused about. I won't turn this into a trolling session so I'm resting my case as I've offered any and all advise I had to offer to the likes of you. I'm certainly not in the mood to incite more of your VERY incomprehensible replies. No offense, not everyone's English, but I just don't care enough to decipher it all. Your average performance on the field speaks for itself quite universally.

Enjoy the game- Errr, the "war". rolleyes:

So I was at war with you only 2 times, you for me not is Problem of
1 minus - that that you very quickly ran on my screen
1x1 - you to me perhaps not the contender, but the good fighter

I am am excited with destiny the magician against Archer (Archer the classic)

 

[Konge]

I have all weapon for more than 40 Ssi
The problem is not in it...
So, I do not wish to play the Fencer of the Archer - I wish to play the pure Archer.
The problem is not in me - I of charms on the mage very often does misses, because of it skills and 45 + dchi
When I am at war 1x1 with the mage - I simply do not have desire to be at war with it, it is waste bottle

So... your template is not effective against anything with parry. Yet you want the game mechanics to change because you wont adapt? That's gonna happen.

 

[Violence]

Re:

Lots of things the OP is trying to do usually do not happen.. Shouldn't be an issue. rolleyes:

 

[Small]

...

hm hm hmmmmm.....


Thanks for the advice, will that change anything