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This is the correct answer.
Easter, Christmas... these are Christian holidays, not every person in UO is a Christian. So you miss an event because you are spending time with your family. Who cares? Really?
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Can EMs stop having events for holidays on the holiday itself?
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Easter, Christmas... these are Christian holidays, not every person in UO is a Christian. So you miss an event because you are spending time with your family. Who cares? Really?
You ever thought that before you post on here what your shards Em's are going to do giving in detail the times and everything that you just might make it harder for those of us on the shard to get anything????? As with the events today on GL. The first one there were a nice amount of people the second one after I am sure they read this post can we say an mob of people showed up most of which I have never saw before which left many people not all to happy. Also causes alot of lag. Yes I guess they could go and find out this info on stratics somewhere but you just made it easy for everyone...thanks now I can go see what our shards silly carrots are selling for on other shards
just hold it the day of plus a day before or after to make it more accessible. I don't think anyone would complain if it was more than a day. Look how long the dev stuff like trick or treating goes.. or valentine boxes drop. two - three diff times would make folks more happy
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Crystal Canyon
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There is a problem with this suggestion also for some players. In fact, because I have several kids that are grown and have families of their own, we usually celebrate holidays the day before or several days before so that they can also spend time with their significant others family.
Yesterday we celebrated Easter. So if the EMs would have had the event then, I would have missed it. See my point?
How can anyone here think that they are the only player that counts when it comes to scheduling events, when we all pay the same amount to play?
If they change it so that all events are the day before each holiday, should I scream that I'm being treated unfairly?
Bottom line is this. We should all have enough, as you say, common sense to realize that the EMs cannot cater to each individual on the game. That would be impossible. It is our responsibility as adults to decide to play the game when the events are scheduled or to live our lives according to our own priorities.
Its all on us...not the EMs.
JMO
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Tuchman
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Please I really like to see carrots selling for more gold than 120 mage scrolls.
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Trevelyan
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Actually, they're Pagan, so take that a bit further and i'm sure the Big Red Guy is just cause for celebration!
Happy Ēostre, Avatar! *drops the Na'vi into the sea*
Also, don't believe that the two are in any way connected? Check out this egg!
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I do not think there can be correct or wrong answer on this particular topic, but individuals' opinions.......
What can be the correct answer to someone's point of view, not necessarily can be that of someone else's...
Since, supposedly, the owners of the game should address their content to everyone, to me this means that the content should NOT be available at limited time and days like with EMs but should be more readily enjoyable by players like with General Events, at players' best convenience.
You ever thought that before you post on here what your shards Em's are going to do giving in detail the times and everything that you just might make it harder for those of us on the shard to get anything????? As with the events today on GL. The first one there were a nice amount of people the second one after I am sure they read this post can we say an mob of people showed up most of which I have never saw before which left many people not all to happy. Also causes alot of lag. Yes I guess they could go and find out this info on stratics somewhere but you just made it easy for everyone...thanks now I can go see what our shards silly carrots are selling for on other shards
I do not understand the point....
Shouldn't Events be for as many players as possible ?
I mean, what is the advantage for the game of having any given Event only attended by a handfull of players ?
I am lost here..........
Life is all about choices - Do you want to spend time with your meatspace people or play a game?
And remember that not everyone follows your particular sky wizard hate-women-unless-they-make-babies philosophy or gives a flop about your special dates that your zombie man supposedly did something special.
And remember that not everyone follows your particular sky wizard hate-women-unless-they-make-babies philosophy or gives a flop about your special dates that your zombie man supposedly did something special.
I dissent.
Personally, I think that it is neither on the players NOR on the EMs.
It is on those in charge of running the game, IMHO.
"IF", as it looks to me, 1 or 2 EMs for a shard is not enough to ensure ample participation to Events, then, it is clear, at least to me, that the system is not working well.
A game feature only for a few ain't a good game feature.
The success of Events, as I see it, is measured on the basis of participants and the more the better.
The Developers should design a way that keeps track, somehow, of how many players participate to any given Event.
There should be a bare minimum for Events and if the number of participants is below that the Event should be called off and not run at all.
And, if a given Event Moderator has a record of a few Events with too few participants, then the moderator should be changed.
The goal should be to ensure the widest participation possible of players to Events.
To this scope, increasing the number of Event Moderators per shard would allow to run a given Event across many more days and at different time schedules to cater different time zone or playing schedule players.
Again, the goal should be that to make all those changes necessary to make sure that EM Events get the widest participation possible.
That's how I see it.
Besides, as EM Events are now it is also killing interest in rares.
A rare is a rare because of scarcity.
But if every (or way too many) item(s) in the game is(are) a rare than collectors need to go after way too many rares and, eventually, the interest in the whole rares' hunting becomes moot.
What I am trying to say, is that eventually the goal of a collection is to "complete" the collection at some point.
But if rares keep popping up at EM Events like mushrooms in a forest well, eventually collectors will realize it is pointless to keep going after them and boom, rares interest in UO goes away, entirely....
The surfacing of new rares should be really, but REALLY limited with perhaps a few once or twice a year. A limited occurrance.
EM Events, instead, seem to be like a factory of them....
It backfires, IMHO.
Let me educate you a little bit popps. An exercise in futility, I realize. Yet, still...
Britannia is a world. A world in which things happen, even when we cannot be online. As a citizen of Britannia:Atlantic, I find it extremely interesting to hear about things that happened when I was not online. As someone hailing from an European timezone playing on Atlantic, I have been able to attend only 3 events thus far. Yet, I read about everything that happens (not just on Atlantic but several shards, in fact). Not only read, my RP characters react to what has happened when I was not "online".
I, nor anyone else, do not need to be present during the event in order to participate in it.
If this concept is lost upon you, then you will not truly enjoy an event even if you attended one. You will, like the OP, remain just another toon chasing pixels and getting grumpy when cannot have a shot at it. A pitiful experience when compared to what you miss!
General events are good. However, comparing them with EM events is comparing apples with oranges. They are both fruits and I savor them but I would not want to be in a world without either one of them.
I realize that you are incapable of grasping this concept but, for your sake, I hope that you do. Even if you do not, it cannot be beyond your imagination to grasp that a lot of us enjoy EM events and that is why the program exists.
Well, I am sorry, but I find that quite hard a concept to grasp.
I can support an Event even when not attending it, by advertising it to others but to me participation means attendance.
If I am not there, I did not participate to it.
I may have supported it, I may have helped it in some way but I did not participate to it if I did not attend it......
And, scarcely participated Events I see them as failed Events, and moderators should be penalized for running Events where only a handfull of players attend.
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NewThunder
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This would lead to boring generic events. Why should events be brought down to a low common denominator. Currently each shard has a uniqueness all its own. The diversity of the events across the shards is one of the great aspects of the game. You want to end that. I would suggest you find a shard that more suits your playing time. Perhaps the time you use to post and reply on these boards could be used in game to participate in events. Oh yeah, I also Pay for the game, but I am not going to make ignorant requests of the Dev team.
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Heartseeker
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This..
OMG Please shut up already.
I don't know about your shard, but EM events on GL are generally quite packed, and the EMs advertise their events quite well.
I'm sure your EMs do as well, try opening your eyes and experiencing the game instead of whining about it incessently - it really does get quite tiresome.
Check your shard's forums here on Stratics for the link to their EM forums, or go to YOURSHARDNAME.uoem.net for their news page. People who do not know about these sites are at a severe disadvantage brought upon by their own laziness.
As to the topic of the OP... COPE. Life happens. Oh, and don't speak for others who can certainly speak for themselves.. And if they don't speak, well, then they don't care. Not a difficult concept.
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Heartseeker
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And this....
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Fink
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I hate to dig up prior posts.. heaven help me if people hold me accountable for the rubbish I say.. but weren't you just telling us that EM events should be run outside of prime-time hours to service a minority of off-shore players who played irregular hours?
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We can fix that luck part for you.
1. Have kick butt EMs making sure they get the information out the best they can.
(I must say I can't think of an event they ran without trying to let everyone know.)
2.Have a kick butt news reporting team that wont rest until they have the info.
(which I am sure the EMs find annoying at times because I know I annoy myself and Morpheus.)
3. Have a team willing to send out 120 icqs when a EM event will happen or when one starts.
(Hand cramps? Suck it up!)
4. Listen to your EMs about where to check for event info.
(For Chesapeake its the Hall of Commons meeting every Sunday at 9pm est. Rarely does it not happen on that day and time.)
**Off topic but giving a shout out. You will find EM Dudley runs a tight ship during the meetings and will not stand for anyone being put down. Even people from other shards.**
Uniqueness of their own ??
Then why do I see these EM Events' items inevitably take off, for the most part, to other shards ??
I am sorry, but I cannot see no shard uniqueness. Events should not be a factory of items to sell for fast gold on other shards where they do not exist, IMHO Events should be participated for the storyline, the fun of it.
Instead, and sadly, my impression is that these Events often are seen as just a gold mine to dig.
And, as I said, this will eventually kill the whole rares concept in the game.
If rares are too many and all over, players will eventually give up hunting for them.
There gotta be a line drawn, creating new items in a limited number a go-go is NOT good for the game in the long run, IMHO.
Think of a nice natural setting. Then a building comes, the setting is still nice. Then 2, ok still possible to withstand that much, but then they become 3, then 4, then 10, then 50........
Everyone wanting to have a cut at the profit making natural setting lost the wider picture and now the place is junk because of way too many constructions, noone wants to go there any longer and everybody looses out.
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Beer_Cayse
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How many holidays are there between Europe, North America, Korea, Japan, Australia/New Zealand and goodness knows where else. Now let's say that no EM events are on any days/dates for a holiday. How many days does that cut out of the even schedule.
Oh yeah ... since Christianity is not the only religion with holidays, how about no EM events on Jewish or Muslim holidays? Buddhist holidays ... anything else we can add in here?
Oh yeah ... since Christianity is not the only religion with holidays, how about no EM events on Jewish or Muslim holidays? Buddhist holidays ... anything else we can add in here?
Probably I lack the gift of being able to explain my thinking...
I will try to explain it again, hopefully trying to be able to make myself better understood this time.
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Events should be as participated as possible given the shard population.
I go as far as saying that if an Event is not widely participated, given that shard overall population, then the moderators for that Event organization should be penalized, even removed if several Events are not widely participated.
Participation shows to me that the Event was a success, scarce players participation shows the Event was not organized well, whatever the reasons, and therefore something should be done about it.
Now, if # 1 is the goal (ample participation to Events), since players play at different times and have different schedules, this means that Events should never EVER be a one shot thing of an hour or 2.
They should always span on several days, possibly even across at least one weekend, and at various times of the day so to ensure participation from players of different time zones or different gaming schedules. I mean for the same one Event, not different ones....
And the success of the Event should be totalled at the end of it, after it has been run for several days, at varioud times and as many players as possible have been able to attend it, if they wished so.
Of course, it is possible that moderators do not have all the time that would be needed to have the same one Event span over several days, including at least a weekend, at different time of the day to facilitate players participation.
This means, that having 1 or 2 moderators per shard is not enough. We need "teams" of moderators for each shard so to ensure that the same one Event can effectively be run over multiple days at various times of the day, including at least 1 weekend, by the various moderators for that shard taking "shifts" for the playing of the Event over all those days and times.
So, when I mentioned having moderators play the Event at off hours, I meant the same one Event that also plays at prime hours only, catering to different players having different schedules.
If the Event is the same, that at one time we have 3 people participating and at another time we have 50, it matters nothing since the overall participation for THAT given Event is still the total of the 53 players attending, at different times, that given Event.
I hope this one time I was more clear about my opinion on this issue.
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Yalp
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I think you have explained yourself well, and over and over.. I think the majority of respondants in this thread have responded with a resounding rejection of your pov.
Holiday events are just that.. holiday events. There is no reason to consider them "event" if they are going to be held day in day out over a period of a week. They would just be another in game activity in the diversity which is UO. If you can make it, bully for you.. if not, maybe next time. If you must ensure everyone has activities they can do in accordance with their individual schedule.... then I'd direct you to champ spawns, peerless, monster farming, yew gate sitting, crafting, skill training, questing, gardening, etc.. etc...etc
I have seen these kind of threads pop up from time to time, and they always make me scratch my head and wonder what planet these people who make these posts come from. I miss out on a lot of EM events, player made events and world wide events, constantly. I wouldn`t dream of arguing that these events should fit my schedule. Eh? Are you for real?
Can't we just be thankful that we have EM's to do events. Not every event is going to be convient for everyone, and I know several people that can't make the weekday or Saturday events because they are usually working during the times the events are being held.
Also, it's not like the EMs get paid for this, they're volunteers, they have lives too. Be thankful they even do these events when they do them! Yes, let's have them do an event over the span of a week because spending time with my family, heaven forbid you do the same!
They do get paid....That doesn't make many of the complaints make any more sense though.
As I recall from the announcement some time ago, the hours and pay were pretty limited.
Basically they are Seers who are paid just enough to make EA not run afoul of the Fair Labor Standards Act. Somehow I don't think the pay quite makes up for enduring the bitter complaints of some of us who feel pathetically entitled, so hopefully the gratitude and genuine enjoyment of the rest of us is enough to compensate.
-Galen's player
Or the griefers. Doubt any payment is enough to justify dealing with them.
Well, personally I see them differently.
As they are now, which I do not like, they look to me just a factory of new rares to sell off on other shards to make quick gold.
And I do not like it.
I do not like it, because eventually this will break rares in Ultima Online.
Why ?
Because one thing is having 30, 50 or perhaps 100 "rare" items in the entire game, an entire other thing is having 500, perhaps even 1,000 of items all rares (at the pace that EM Events crank out "rare" items it won't be long before the game gets there...).
If the game is flooded by a too large number of items, all rare, this will make it impossible for any collector to hunt them thus breaking the "rares game", so to speak.
It won't be long before players might think "why bother" with rares when they are simply way too many to be ever possible to collect them ?
The goal of a collector is to sometimes complete the collection. But it must be a reachable task otherwise, "why bother" ? If the items are way too many and each costing a whole lot, it just ain't much feasible to complete a rares' collection especially, since every week several new "rare" items get added to the game and the catching up goes on and on and on and on, forever with the finish line always pushed forward.
When seeing that finish line always pushed forward chances are, IMHO, that players might give up hunting for rares, althougether.
And this, I think, will eventually harm Ultima Online killing one of the things to do in the game.
So, rather than thinking short term (i.e. grabbing a few Events' items to make a few millions of gold, easy, on some other shard), I prefer to think long term and actually try to foresee what could possibly happen if this status of things is left going for too long.
As EM Events are now, I think it as eventually harmfull to UO, not helping it out.
I'm going to stop you at your first sentence.
Have you even GONE to an EM event?
If you have you'd know the rewards are generally worthless deco items. They look nice, but nothing that you need.
So you want EMs to use up all there free time planing an organizing Holiday events, which are meant as a good jesture and a nice "Thanks for playing! Happy holidays!" from your EMs, so you can get your renamed honey jar?
WTF is wrong with you?
IN ZU!
Edit: Also, I haven't seen (though I haven't explicitly looked) any even items being sold for, "Loads o Gold."
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Crystal Canyon
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Popps,
Why don't you just say this, because it seems that this is what you are truly wanting anyway:
"I want the EMs to consult me first before they set a date for any event so that I can let them know if I will be available or not. If I cannot attend on that date, they are to reset the date to one that I can attend. I also require them to give me at least one rare that I can sell for a few mil. If the EMs cannot conform to my rules, they shall be penalized, errr, fired immediately."
The rest of us will just sit back and hope that we can attend on "your" given dates. If not, we will just wish you well and hope the next event will be one that we can attend. That's just how it works for most people.
Why don't you just say this, because it seems that this is what you are truly wanting anyway:
"I want the EMs to consult me first before they set a date for any event so that I can let them know if I will be available or not. If I cannot attend on that date, they are to reset the date to one that I can attend. I also require them to give me at least one rare that I can sell for a few mil. If the EMs cannot conform to my rules, they shall be penalized, errr, fired immediately."
The rest of us will just sit back and hope that we can attend on "your" given dates. If not, we will just wish you well and hope the next event will be one that we can attend. That's just how it works for most people.
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MaidenAmerica
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Although I disagree with the thread, the fact that Atl's event is 2 days long, doesn't end thread, as that's one shard.
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Flora Green
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Just yesterday, I saw someone at the bank spamming some Event "rare" for 20 millions.
Not a 1997 rare, mind you, rather some "deco rare" gotten at an Event the same day or the day before....
Just spending some time at bank on several shards can show what I am trying to say, that items from Events end up up for sale, quite fastly, for many millions of gold.
Robes, rabbits, books, whatever. As long as it is something that in the game there is only a few like it, it won't be long before it shows up at some bank being sold for millions, perhaps even tens of millions.
On Pacific, a few weeks back I overheard a chat between some players mentioning some sash gotten for performing some PvP Event. Well, that "deco sash" from what I heard was discussed moving to Atlantic for being sold something like 70 or 80 millions of gold.
As I said, just spending some time at banks will make one see how many Event rewards go up being sold and for how much.
And I think this will eventually hurt the game, as I explained.
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UOKaiser
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Thats how it's being when it started and hasn't hurt anything just improved the trammel way of life. Besides you always say how a newbie has a hard time starting out. There you go he joins UO yesturday go to event today gets lucky at a rare and sell it to a vet player tommorrow Now he has 80mil gold and only played for 3 days. How easy is that to help a newbie be on even footing as you want to call it.
Yeah!! I can't ALWAYS bank at the time the bank is open...so I think we need 24 hour banks!! With Live People!!
And...and...I sometimes want to go to a ball game at 2 AM, but there ARE no Ball Games at 2 AM!! LAME!!!
Plus!! I think all restaurants should be open 24 hours, too!! *All of Them*...Because...well...*I*Pay for their food, so *They* should cater to *My* whims so that *I* get just what *I* want, and *I* don't have to plan, or anything!!! *I* can just get in my car...no WAIT!!
ALL restaurants need to have 24 hour delivery!! That way I don't even have to leave my house!!
I HATE being inconvenienced by others, just because they are so selfish that they didn't already HAVE home delivery!!
Bastages!!
*Shakes Fists*
I heard of a person that sold a Vet Reward...a VET REWARD mind you, for like 53 Million GP...that is bound to hurt the game.
[sarcasm]They should discontinue Vet Rewards. People just get the items, and sell them.
I think no event or vet reward should be able to be sold...plus...I think they should just drop the reward for the event in to everyone's backpack, as they log in during, or after the event at any time. That way these capitalistic players won't be able to hurt the game so much with their selling of items like this...[/sarcasm]
So... You're upset because people are dumb enough to pay 20 mil for a deco item?
Or are you upset because YOU didn't get the deco item?
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Eyes of Origin
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This is just a computer game, you guys are right about that. So, it shouldnt matter if some of us have missed every EM Holiday event due to celebrating that same holiday irl, right?
We pay to play just like those who dont miss those events. We would enjoy having the chance to participate as well.
I understand some players don't have family to celebrate the holiday with, so it's nice for them to be able to do something on the holiday with their community in game.
There are some people who don't celebrate the same holidays as the rest of us do and the holiday events are just an other event, but an event they like doing, just like everyone else.
I know how much we love to hear about WoW, but they do one thing right. They run their holiday events for a week. From Sunday to Sunday.
I'm not asking the EM's to reschedule their events because I celebrate the holidays outside of game or because I celebrate them at all.
I'm not saying UO has to do the same thing as WoW, nor should they, but, could it really hurt to run the events two days in a row, as some shards are doing or have done?
Seriously, what would it hurt to set aside a couple hours the day before OR the day after the holiday for those of us who do celebrate the holidays?
You can make all the sarcastic remarks you want regarding this, but honestly, I will say, there shouldnt be one arguement at all as to why this shouldnt be allowed and why we cant have the events on the holiday and one day before or one day after.
We pay to play just like those who dont miss those events. We would enjoy having the chance to participate as well.
I understand some players don't have family to celebrate the holiday with, so it's nice for them to be able to do something on the holiday with their community in game.
There are some people who don't celebrate the same holidays as the rest of us do and the holiday events are just an other event, but an event they like doing, just like everyone else.
I know how much we love to hear about WoW, but they do one thing right. They run their holiday events for a week. From Sunday to Sunday.
I'm not asking the EM's to reschedule their events because I celebrate the holidays outside of game or because I celebrate them at all.
I'm not saying UO has to do the same thing as WoW, nor should they, but, could it really hurt to run the events two days in a row, as some shards are doing or have done?
Seriously, what would it hurt to set aside a couple hours the day before OR the day after the holiday for those of us who do celebrate the holidays?
You can make all the sarcastic remarks you want regarding this, but honestly, I will say, there shouldnt be one arguement at all as to why this shouldnt be allowed and why we cant have the events on the holiday and one day before or one day after.
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