Buy skill veterancy on uo code?

[bjornef]

man you guys have way to little to talk abouth so i aint even going to give a good reasenable ansver to this

go read a book or some thing for god sake

 

[Ahuaeyjnkxs]

Uh... no, noob.

It's funny Lord Chaos, because you opposed me so often in *ahem* and now you're making your point with me in the background 20 feet tall with a piece of the gem of immortality encrusted in my chest and dragons flying over my head.

As if everything was casual.

You have to remember something UOKaiser... roleplaying is nothing when there is no opposition, without a dark side there is no dynamism creativity soon becomes meaningless because all it builds is pixels, not deep moral values and magic.

Roleplay and pvp were always ultimately linked... how do I know ? Because I have experience, as a seer and also as a player in major roleplay guilds in the day on Atlantic. I have been vehemently opposed when I made my stand as an old school player, and my downfall came juuust in time for Trammel. Every good thing must end I guess...

My point is made, and noone opposes it, thus it stagnates.

 

[Petra Fyde]

I don't see why this has become an issue now. I started my first account, shared with my husband, in 2000. When AoS came out we started another with the new code on the box, then we waited patiently for that account to become old enough to ride ethys, gradually adding in the extra skill points as they became available. Many others did likewise, without complaint, accepting the game as the developers had designed it. Now, because you want to start a new account, the system which has been in place for many years, must change?
Incidentally, you're wrong about new players. I read the chat on Europa as I'm playing. Most of the people conversing in it are new to the game and full of questions about how to do things.

 

[Konge]

I don't see why this has become an issue now. I started my first account, shared with my husband, in 2000. When AoS came out we started another with the new code on the box, then we waited patiently for that account to become old enough to ride ethys, gradually adding in the extra skill points as they became available. Many others did likewise, without complaint, accepting the game as the developers had designed it. Now, because you want to start a new account, the system which has been in place for many years, must change?
Incidentally, you're wrong about new players. I read the chat on Europa as I'm playing. Most of the people conversing in it are new to the game and full of questions about how to do things.

I'ma agree with Petra on this, I mean, There's no real need for +20 base skill points. I did fine with 700, just don't make templates for 720 until you have the base cap and you're fine, even templates that are tweaked to 720, you can find ways (though with compromises) to still incorporate them +skill items, or just lowering some skills down a couple points.

 

[Ahuaeyjnkxs]

do the people with 720 skill can boost their skills over that with items ? :S

 

[bjornef]

lets face it even the best new players moustly get kild by guys in fel with crap worth nothing and they get pissed of abouth it

if you want to be a imortal in uo and never be kild then get a job as a gm and do there work load and shut up abouth the silly 20 exstra skill that all the old players have bean paying for to get over the years

i have payed 12,99 and this days 13,99 a month and if you pay that for 90 month to you can surly get hold of a old acc they not that hard to come by exsept you need to use the uo game store to make it safe

but haveing a old acc aint going to help you know if you suck at pvp get better or keap dieing simple fact of life get over it

 

[Lord Chaos]

I don't see why this has become an issue now. I started my first account, shared with my husband, in 2000.

MMO's are very different now 10 years later, UO should adapt when it needs to, as its done with so many new systems which weren't around 10 years ago.

When AoS came out we started another with the new code on the box, then we waited patiently for that account to become old enough to ride ethys, gradually adding in the extra skill points as they became available. Many others did likewise, without complaint, accepting the game as the developers had designed it.

As far as I know, then you can ride Ethy's regardless of age and if not, then there's always charger of fallen. I don't see many people here accepting the game as the devs designed it, Stratics is full of people wanting change. Making people wait years just to be able to to fully build their character is lunacy, especially in this day and age. It was more feasible to do back when UO was one of the only MMOs and many older or dedicated people were playing.

Not to mention you can already cheat the system by simply buying an old account. (which though then gets you stuck with that persons account name)

Now, because you want to start a new account, the system which has been in place for many years, must change?

Someone I am going to play with is starting a new account and her being somewhat gimped compared to my chars sucks some fun out of playing.

I don't know why you're opposed to making it fair to all UO players and ontop of that give UO more money for development.

Incidentally, you're wrong about new players. I read the chat on Europa as I'm playing. Most of the people conversing in it are new to the game and full of questions about how to do things.

How does that make me wrong about new players?

 

[Lord Chaos]

i have payed 12,99 and this days 13,99 a month and if you pay that for 90 month to you can surly get hold of a old acc they not that hard to come by exsept you need to use the uo game store to make it safe

Well, if you can do that, then whats the problem of paying 19.99 on a new account to get the skill limit increase? Its money for UO directly.

but haveing a old acc aint going to help you know if you suck at pvp get better or keap dieing simple fact of life get over it

None of us PvP in UO, never will.

 

[hawkeye_pike]

My opinion:
While having 20 more skillpoints is nice, it is also overrated. If a player starts with UO, he probably will need 2 years to fully understand the system, and 2 more years perfect his equipment anyways. During this time, he can compensate the lack of skill points with jewelry, if he feels like it. He will not have any noticable disadvantages.

In general, I don't like the idea of "buying a better character" for real money.

 

[The Doctor]

My opinion:
While having 20 more skillpoints is nice, it is also overrated. If a player starts with UO, he probably will need 2 years to fully understand the system, and 2 more years perfect his equipment anyways. During this time, he can compensate the lack of skill points with jewelry, if he feels like it. He will not have any noticable disadvantages.

You're kidding, right? It is April Fool's Day.

I got my PhD in less time. UO is not rocket science. I submit most new players will be up to speed within a couple of months, especially with help from supportive players and guilds. There's a lot of obscure things to discover, but then we have stratics for that. One doesn't even have to work out how to complete most quests (unless you want to).

In general, I don't like the idea of "buying a better character" for real money.

I'd agree. Except we're not discussing a "better" character, merely one with the same opportunities as every else. A newbie pays the same subscription as me, why shouldn't they have the same opportunities?

Veterans get neat gifts that (in the main) don't affect gameplay. I don't see why they should get real gaming advantages - especially since, as someone pointed out, one doesn't even have to work for them, merely forget to cancel your direct debit.

 

[Lord Chaos]

My opinion:
While having 20 more skillpoints is nice, it is also overrated. If a player starts with UO, he probably will need 2 years to fully understand the system

She's fully at my level of understanding the game already, even though I am a 13 year veteran.

and 2 more years perfect his equipment anyways.

She already has better gear than I have.

During this time, he can compensate the lack of skill points with jewelry, if he feels like it. He will not have any noticable disadvantages.

Getting skill points through great can be very difficoult and you have to give up great gear in order to get it.

In general, I don't like the idea of "buying a better character" for real money.

You're not bying a better character, you're buying getting your character up to the same fair level as 99.9% of UO's population has.

And you can already buy a better character for real money.

 

[Petra Fyde]

I don't see why this has become an issue now. I started my first account, shared with my husband, in 2000.

MMO's are very different now 10 years later, UO should adapt when it needs to, as its done with so many new systems which weren't around 10 years ago.

why? It was ok for us to wait and earn something years ago, but you shouldn't have to wait now?

When AoS came out we started another with the new code on the box, then we waited patiently for that account to become old enough to ride ethys, gradually adding in the extra skill points as they became available. Many others did likewise, without complaint, accepting the game as the developers had designed it.

As far as I know, then you can ride Ethy's regardless of age and if not, then there's always charger of fallen. I don't see many people here accepting the game as the devs designed it, Stratics is full of people wanting change. Making people wait years just to be able to to fully build their character is lunacy, especially in this day and age. It was more feasible to do back when UO was one of the only MMOs and many older or dedicated people were playing.
Not to mention you can already cheat the system by simply buying an old account. (which though then gets you stuck with that persons account name)

You are incorrect. You can not ride ethereal mounts till the account is 3 years old, and then only the ones listed as 3rd year rewards. Charger of the Fallen was part of Mondain's Legacy, they were not available when Age of Shadows was new. My characters rode horses or llamas for 3 years. Yes, you can buy an old account, with some risk involved.

Now, because you want to start a new account, the system which has been in place for many years, must change?

Someone I am going to play with is starting a new account and her being somewhat gimped compared to my chars sucks some fun out of playing.

I don't know why you're opposed to making it fair to all UO players and ontop of that give UO more money for development.

I don't consider that I am opposing making it fair, only opposing people being able to buy what others had to earn. If you can not find a way to effectively play with your companion with lesser skill points, I see that as a failing in you, not the game. Many other players manage it quite well.

Incidentally, you're wrong about new players. I read the chat on Europa as I'm playing. Most of the people conversing in it are new to the game and full of questions about how to do things.

How does that make me wrong about new players?

They exist. They are enjoying the game. I see them sharing their experiences and their joy in what they are doing in their chat.

 

[Lord Chaos]

why? It was ok for us to wait and earn something years ago, but you shouldn't have to wait now?

It was really never ok, it was a dumb way of doing things from the get go, but it was less of a problem back then as people already had veteran accounts for the most part and the game wasn't balanced towards 720 being the standard.

You are incorrect. You can not ride ethereal mounts till the account is 3 years old, and then only the ones listed as 3rd year rewards. Charger of the Fallen was part of Mondain's Legacy, they were not available when Age of Shadows was new. My characters rode horses or llamas for 3 years.

Ok, never used Ethys anyway, but then again, your point isn't terribly valid, as I already have extra Chargers of Fallen.

Also the Ethy system is just as flawed really

I don't consider that I am opposing making it fair, only opposing people being able to buy what others had to earn.

As others pointed out, you don't really earn it, its just given to you without effort. And yes, you are opposing making things fair, you want to uphold the arrogance of veterans that really does turn away many players or reduce the fun of new comers.

If you can not find a way to effectively play with your companion with lesser skill points, I see that as a failing in you, not the game.

Sure we can, but its less fun. Its not fun to know that no matter how hard you work, no matter how hard you train, you *cannot* in any way get to the max skill level.

Also it means that certain maxed templates are unavailable outside of skill jewelry.

Many other players manage it quite well.They exist. They are enjoying the game. I see them sharing their experiences and their joy in what they are doing in their chat.

Sure there are, you can find players in support of anything, but I've been reading the chat too (and participating in it), its not really that many players and certainly does not invalidate my point whatsoever.

 

[hawkeye_pike]

She's fully at my level of understanding the game already, even though I am a 13 year veteran.
She already has better gear than I have.

Well, it took me 2 years (after a 6-year break) to catch up with all the changes, and it took me 3 years to have an equipment that is very good, albeit not perfect.
However, I don't compare myself to powergamers who burn through the game content with 10 times the speed and then get bored. I don't want to judge anyone, but I am having a lot of fun with advancing slowly.

You're not bying a better character, you're buying getting your character up to the same fair level as 99.9% of UO's population has.
And you can already buy a better character for real money.

1 year after my return to UO, my mage had acquired a 100% LRC suit with resists around 60, a mediocre set of jewelry and a Scrapper's Compendium. Today I know that this suit was quite lousy, but still for me it was a great suit, because I didn't know better. And it had taken me 1 year to gather the items for that suit.

I had a blast playing UO with that old suit, hunting monsters was a challenge, and still I was able join any group to contribute my part in the fight against dangerous peerless monsters or in the Doom Gauntlet. Not one second I felt disadvantaged against the players with all the uber equipment.

See, the point is that if you give the players too much too soon, they will be grateful and will instantly be able to access all the high-level content, but they also will be bored very soon. What many people don't seem to understand is that the constant development and improvement is what makes UO fun, and that you spoil that fun if you hand a new player the best items and skills on a silver platter.

Many new players I know have skipped 80% of exploring and game content, because they had "help", and thus have missed most of the fun.

I know that my point of view sounds a little extreme, but is a result of my UO experience.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Well, it took me 2 years (after a 6-year break) to catch up with all the changes, and it took me 3 years to have an equipment that is very good, albeit not perfect.
However, I don't compare myself to powergamers who burn through the game content with 10 times the speed and then get bored. I don't want to judge anyone, but I am having a lot of fun with advancing slowly.

And many players get bored simply because they can't get anywhere. Introduced dozens of people to UO the old fashioned way and just let them find their own way (with help in the form of advice), but they too got bored very quickly.

Besides, its not fun just having to wait around for years just to get a skill increase that you can't work for yourself.

1 year after my return to UO, my mage had acquired a 100% LRC suit with resists around 60, a mediocre set of jewelry and a Scrapper's Compendium. Today I know that this suit was quite lousy, but still for me it was a great suit, because I didn't know better. And it had taken me 1 year to gather the items for that suit.

Whatever floats *your* boat. Just be aware that this does not hold true for everyone else.

I had a blast playing UO with that old suit, hunting monsters was a challenge, and still I was able join any group to contribute my part in the fight against dangerous peerless monsters or in the Doom Gauntlet. Not one second I felt disadvantaged against the players with all the uber equipment.

See, the point is that if you give the players too much too soon, they will be grateful and will instantly be able to access all the high-level content, but they also will be bored very soon. What many people don't seem to understand is that the constant development and improvement is what makes UO fun, and that you spoil that fun if you hand a new player the best items and skills on a silver platter.

It might make it fun for you, but most people dislike having to work years to get little things in a computer game, which is why UO is one of the smallest MMOs in existance.

Many new players I know have skipped 80% of exploring and game content, because they had "help", and thus have missed most of the fun.

I know that my point of view sounds a little extreme, but is a result of my UO experience.

Or perhaps they got to the fun part for them.

In the end, there's nothing wrong with giving them the *choice* of whether they want to get it or not, and ontop of that it would give UO extra money.

Also on that token, the +5 stat bonus is a load of bollocks too.

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

What they need to do is remove the cap at +20 and make it +5 per year for as many years as you've played.

Protip: People who do something longer than someone else are supposed to have an advantage.

lol...guess you don't pvp much.

 

[Konge]

It's 20 points, it's not a huge gimp. + skill items if you really need that 20 points. Or nerf your template by twenty points and add the 5 points each year.

Also, you kind of argued the fact for Etheys, then dismissed them when you were wrong? The 20 points is the only really "useful" thing that people who've played for a period get, Soulstones are arguably useful too, if you like changing skills a lot.

The point is, we all waited, your friend can too. You're not even at that big of a disadvantage. At worst, you can only have 2 110 skills, or 2 90 skills, instead of 100, or a 100 instead of a 120, big whoop, you can easy sacrifice two mod slots to get the +20 you need and move on with your life.

 

[Lord Chaos]

I don't see why a player should sacrifice themselves just to satisfy the arrogance of veteran players who so desperately want to justify their time spent paying and feel superior.

Yes, you can get + to skill items, but then you get vastly inferior items usually, as you're not just giving up a mod, you're giving up the whole item and having to look for something worse in the other mods too usually.

In fact, the funny thing is that its usually the veterans who are the true "me me me" crowd, they want to hoard it all to themselves and force others through the same process.

UO should evolve, UO should get better. It should allow both the +5 stat bonus and the +20 skill bonus to be purchasable with money. It would give UO more money and better development = better game for us all.

 

[UOKaiser]

Nope. Time has to count for something. We payed the blood and sweat. We deserve something for sticking it out. I remmeber the +5 stat reward given to us that played the beggining of aos because of the buggyness and down timnes for over a month for that launch. They didn't refund our money so they gave us some clothes and +5 stat reward. then later on they decide to include it on everyone that last 6 month. Excuse me they werent there for AOS launch they didn't lose monthly subscriptions fees because of it. Why the hell did they get it? Where is our reward then if that wasn't it.? Give us 2-3months free then!!
Either way you got to give your time like all the rest of us.

 

[Lord Chaos]

So basically you're one of those arrogant veterans that UO definitely could do without.

Just because you went through hardship shouldn't exclude everyone else who wants to enjoy the game, so heck it would be better to get you out of the game and then get many more new players in who can enjoy the game and have all the game has to offer available.

Its also crappy because it basically prevents even veterans in making new accounts thats really usable for anything.

 

[Konge]

So, basically, you're one of the "Gimmie gimmie" new account kids that we don't want?

 

[Morgana LeFay (PoV)]

But yes, I was saying that everyone should be able to buy the extra 20 skills before time...its not gamebreaking as the game is balanced to 720 skills anyway.

Let say for instance that I got my girlfriend interested in UO, she starts her account and plays with me, but even though I can give her gear, template advice etc...it won't work properly as she cannot have the 720 skills like I have no matter what I do and will be somewhat gimped for the next 2 years, which is very off putting.

Okay then...I stand by my original statement.

The 720 skill cap is a reward for doing something. That something is playing the game for 2 years. You are not being punished if you do not receive a reward for something you didn't do.

The Team USA ladies olympic hockey team won a silver medal this year. I didn't get one. I want one. I should have one. No, better yet, I should have a GOLD medal like the Canadian's got!! Everyone should just have everything everyone else has...right? My boss has a private jet. Where's mine?

It is not punishment if you do not receive a reward if you did not satisfy the conditions to receive said reward. Period.

 

[UOKaiser]

So basically you're one of those arrogant veterans that UO definitely could do without.

Just because you went through hardship shouldn't exclude everyone else who wants to enjoy the game, so heck it would be better to get you out of the game and then get many more new players in who can enjoy the game and have all the game has to offer available.

Its also crappy because it basically prevents even veterans in making new accounts thats really usable for anything.

Yep Uo could do without people like me who have helped keep this game going for over a decade, established long lasting communities,helped those rare new players get started and enjoy there time.
Really if a new player joined tommorow and though well this sucks I can't get extra 20 points of skill to play with so am quitting. Why the hell he joined in the first place!! This isn't UT I keep saying this Ultima a Role Playing Game. Spend the time building community and friendship then get the rewards.
Really I refuse to cater to the 10-20 new players a month who join that usually go around joining every online game and don't stick around longer than there trial period. I cater to the faithful.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Okay then...I stand by my original statement.

Ah well, sad to see yet another self serving veteran who wants to keep the newbies down to feel superior and special.

The 720 skill cap is a reward for doing something. That something is playing the game for 2 years.

You don't have to play for 2 years, simply have an active account or just buy a veteran account.

Completely stupid that the only solution is buying a veteran account, instead of UO making the money.

It is not punishment if you do not receive a reward if you did not satisfy the conditions to receive said reward. Period.

I didn't say it was a punishment per say, but its a penalty when the game is balanced for 720 skills and 99.9% of the population has it. Its a quite severe penalty.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Yep Uo could do without people like me who have helped keep this game going for over a decade, established long lasting communities,helped those rare new players get started and enjoy there time.
Really if a new player joined tommorow and though well this sucks I can't get extra 20 points of skill to play with so am quitting. Why the hell he joined in the first place!! This isn't UT I keep saying this Ultima a Role Playing Game. Spend the time building community and friendship then get the rewards.
Really I refuse to cater to the 10-20 new players a month who join that usually go around joining every online game and don't stick around longer than there trial period. I cater to the faithful.

You don't get the rewards for building community at all, heck you can just buy a veteran account.

Those who don't stick around to the game wouldn't invest in a 720 skill limit anyway, those who stick around would and would give UO more money. No player who just drifts from game to game would pay for stuff like that anyway and even if they did it would mean extra money for UO development, win-win situation.

Again, this hurts nothing but your ego.

 

[Lord Chaos]

So, basically, you're one of the "Gimmie gimmie" new account kids that we don't want?

No, actually I am a veteran from the beginning. Heck having paid and contributed more to this game than most.

 

[Morgana LeFay (PoV)]

I didn't say it was a punishment per say, but its a penalty when the game is balanced for 720 skills and 99.9% of the population has it. Its a quite severe penalty.

It's not a penalty. It is the lack of having something you did not earn. Is it a penalty that the CEO of my company makes more money than I do?

 

[Guido_LS]

To a small degree, I can see where the OP is coming from - in this day and age, a 720 template is practically a requirement to be successful in the PvP world.

By the same token, I'm pretty certain I have read where the OP doesn't PvP... and as sure as it is that you DON'T need 120 scrolls to successfully PvM, you don't need the extra 20 skill points, either. Yeah, they are nice, but hardly needed. Especially with jewels and imbuing...

 

[UOKaiser]

You don't get the rewards for building community at all, heck you can just buy a veteran account.

Those who don't stick around to the game wouldn't invest in a 720 skill limit anyway, those who stick around would and would give UO more money. No player who just drifts from game to game would pay for stuff like that anyway and even if they did it would mean extra money for UO development, win-win situation.

Again, this hurts nothing but your ego.

Heh ego me? Fine offer one 20 skill code for the newbies but the vets get another 20 points on top of that for a total of 740. There I compromised win-win.

 

[Konge]

No, actually I am a veteran from the beginning. Heck having paid and contributed more to this game than most.

You missed the entire point of that post.

 

[Morgana LeFay (PoV)]

Heh ego me? Fine offer one 20 skill code for the newbies but the vets get another 20 points on top of that for a total of 740. There I compromised win-win.

No, then he will want to be able to buy the 740 point cap, and so on and so on.

Everyone wants to start this game maxed out and not work for anything.

 

[Konge]

No, then he will want to be able to buy the 740 point cap, and so on and so on.

Everyone wants to start this game maxed out and not work for anything.

Yeah... When I started the game I knew about the 720, and I learned a lot of what things did, read up on stuff, ect. I never thought "Wow, I wish I could just buy this code to make me have those like all the vets." I thought "Wow, That's a pretty cool bonus for having account age, plus those ethys are pretty shweeet."

Short answer, No +20 skill cap code.

 

[hawkeye_pike]

It might make it fun for you, but most people dislike having to work years to get little things in a computer game, which is why UO is one of the smallest MMOs in existance.

See, the difference in our perspectives is: What you call "work", I call "fun".

I agree that there is a tendency that players want everything too fast and then get bored when they have it. However, I think the problem lies not in the game, but in the people who behave that way. I call them the "Fastfood Society".

I begin to ask myself, why you so persistently defend your idea? Obviously most people don't agree, even the new players I have met never complained about the "missing points" (in fact, they didn't even notice). Instead of thinking about our comments you begin to attack us, saying that "our ego would be hurt".

 

[Evlar]

I think it's entirely fair that someone should have to "work" for what they get in an online world/society. To my mind, part of the "fun" and sense of achievement is working a character to a certain level of ability. When I get their, I feel like I've earned it.

The game as it is now, it's already easy enough to become a "veteran" of sorts, in a matter of days. Skills are arguably much easier to maximise, with little or no interaction required to gain them. The quantity of items available with skill bonus mods, has also removed a lot of the need to "work" skills.

A great chunk of the "fun" of developing characters has already been removed over the years. I'm afraid that effectively allowing almost instant access to further speeding up the process, further deminishes the process.

 

[Lord Chaos]

It's not a penalty. It is the lack of having something you did not earn. Is it a penalty that the CEO of my company makes more money than I do?

It would be if 99.9% of the company makes as much as your CEO and its not based on how much you work, but just how long time you've been there.

Either way, your analogy is very bad. I really can't stand your kind of selfish arrogant veterans. Not only don't you want to help new players, but you also want UO to lose money.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Heh ego me? Fine offer one 20 skill code for the newbies but the vets get another 20 points on top of that for a total of 740. There I compromised win-win.

Every paying member of UO should have the same limits and be able to work their way to the top all the same.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Everyone wants to start this game maxed out and not work for anything.

First noone is maxed out, you still have to work for your skills. Two, waiting two years is not working at all, its just waiting.

 

[Lord Chaos]

See, the difference in our perspectives is: What you call "work", I call "fun".

Just having an account active for 2 years is not work. And anyway, some people find it fun to be desk clerks or lumbermill workers, others don't, we are all different.

I agree that there is a tendency that players want everything too fast and then get bored when they have it. However, I think the problem lies not in the game, but in the people who behave that way. I call them the "Fastfood Society".

This is how UO is already, you can have house, arties, high skills, etc. in no time.

This however is a stupid limitation from ancient times that just doesn't need to be there. It serves no purpose whatsoever.

I begin to ask myself, why you so persistently defend your idea? Obviously most people don't agree, even the new players I have met never complained about the "missing points" (in fact, they didn't even notice). Instead of thinking about our comments you begin to attack us, saying that "our ego would be hurt".

Because you are working from veteran arrogance "we worked for it and so should you"...despite that most veterans DIDN'T work for this bonus, we got it handed to us instantly, as our accounts already were old enough to get it when it was introduced.

The most stupid thing is that it prevents veterans from making new accounts as well, as it would be mostly useless lacking both the +5 stat and +20 skill limits, especially if it would be for PvP.

I don't see why you're so opposed to UO making money, seems quite silly.

Of course many newbies wouldn't notice, as they either wouldn't know the increase was there or wouldn't be aiming for specific templates.

 

[Evlar]

I'm sorry, but...

Lord Chaos + his argument =

(dog with a bone)

Therefore, anything anyone else cares to argue, is null and void. What's the point of discussing it, if you're completely blind to what other people suggest too.



You're entitled to your opinion of course, but so is everyone else!

 

[Lord Chaos]

I think it's entirely fair that someone should have to "work" for what they get in an online world/society.

Except there's no work involved in this at all, you just either purchase a veteran account or wait 2 years.

To my mind, part of the "fun" and sense of achievement is working a character to a certain level of ability. When I get their, I feel like I've earned it.

Except this has nothing to do with achievement or work. But either way, thats your way, this doesn't make it others way.

The game as it is now, it's already easy enough to become a "veteran" of sorts, in a matter of days. Skills are arguably much easier to maximise, with little or no interaction required to gain them.

There really never were any need to interact with others to gain skills. We GM'ed all our skills by ourselves back in the beginning, we got them all to legendary as well, all on our own.

A great chunk of the "fun" of developing characters has already been removed over the years. I'm afraid that effectively allowing almost instant access to further speeding up the process, further deminishes the process.

Just to say again, just because its *your* idea of fun, doesn't make it everyone elses fun.

 

[hawkeye_pike]

This discussion is futile. I'm out of here.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Therefore, anything anyone else cares to argue, is null and void. What's the point of discussing it, if you're completely blind to what other people suggest too.

You're entitled to your opinion of course, but so is everyone else!

There's no suggestions here other than to simply wait and no way am I going to wait 2 years before we can actually play properly in the places we want to play in, I've already waiting over 13 years to be where I am now.

It might be everyone elses opinion, but its based of veteran arrogance. Which is funny, many veterans *didn't* have to wait for getting this skill increase, they got it handed to them on a silver platter with no work or waiting whatsoever.

 

[Lord Chaos]

This discussion is futile. I'm out of here.

Sure, when I don't bow down to your "I walked 20 miles barefooted in the snow back and forth to school and it was much more fun" argument, then you get all huffy and leave, heh.

 

[Evlar]

There you go... argue with yourself. Buh-bye

 

[Morgana LeFay (PoV)]

I really can't stand your kind of selfish arrogant veterans.

And with that...so ends my involvement in this ridiculous discussion.

 

[Lord Chaos]

There you go... argue with yourself. Buh-bye

Thanks Glad the troll left the thread, have a good one.

And with that...so ends my involvement in this ridiculous discussion.

Its only ridiculous because it doesn't bow down to your arrogance. You never worked or waited for your 720 skill, yet you want to force every new player to wait years on it, even though it doesn't affect you the slightest, other than it might give UO extra money to do things like say...hmmm...a classic shard?

Speaking of classic shard, thank you for your argument, you have truly convinced me that a classic shard is a bad idea, instead of how I originally thought that it was a good idea.

 

[Konge]

There's no suggestions here other than to simply wait and no way am I going to wait 2 years before we can actually play properly in the places we want to play in, I've already waiting over 13 years to be where I am now.

It might be everyone elses opinion, but its based of veteran arrogance. Which is funny, many veterans *didn't* have to wait for getting this skill increase, they got it handed to them on a silver platter with no work or waiting whatsoever.

You're so full of yourself. Your opinion is you should buy you way to things you haven't earned.

Everyone else's opinion is to actually earn the reward, that's a the other opinion, and we're entitled to it. Deal with it.

 

[Jesara]

Don't you understand...the journey is the fun. If you can just start that the top and work your way sideways, you might as well not play.

Agree

 

[Lord Chaos]

You're so full of yourself. Your opinion is you should buy you way to things you haven't earned.

Everyone else's opinion is to actually earn the reward, that's a the other opinion, and we're entitled to it. Deal with it.

1. You can already buy it, simply buy a veteran account.
2. You don't earn the reward, its simply given with time. Most veterans didn't earn it either, they were given it *without* having to wait at all, our accounts already being older than 2 years at the time.
3. Not all agrees with it, there are some in the thread that agrees with me. But sure its your opinion and even though its an arrogant game-destroying opinion, then you're entitled to it.

Don't you understand...the journey is the fun. If you can just start that the top and work your way sideways, you might as well not play.

Agree

How exactly is getting an increased skill cap = starting at the top, you still have to actually train the skills, and everything else in the game can be had with no problem. You're constructing silly counter arguments that don't even apply.

But again, arrogance at its best even if it did apply...you want everyone to be forced to play the game *YOUR* way and not the way they want to play.

 

[Konge]

1. You can already buy it, simply buy a veteran account.
2. You don't earn the reward, its simply given with time. Most veterans didn't earn it either, they were given it *without* having to wait at all, our accounts already being older than 2 years at the time.
3. Not all agrees with it, there are some in the thread that agrees with me. But sure its your opinion and even though its an arrogant game-destroying opinion, then you're entitled to it.



How exactly is getting an increased skill cap = starting at the top, you still have to actually train the skills, and everything else in the game can be had with no problem. You're constructing silly counter arguments that don't even apply.

But again, arrogance at its best even if it did apply...you want everyone to be forced to play the game *YOUR* way and not the way they want to play.

Yes, I'm the arrogant one, says the pot calling the kettle black. Then buy a veteran account and just shut up already, EA gets money if you use their service, which makes it safe to do, thus nullifying your argument completely.

Here's your argument.

"My friend wants +20 skill cap now, Do it." "Bull****...bull****...bull****...bull****." "You don't agree with me, you're pompus and arrogant."

Do you see how stupid you look? It's one thing to have the opinion, it's another to shove it down everyone's throat and say anyone who says nay is arrogant.

What are you? The old school Church Of England?