Sigh, player police?

[Connor_Graham]

So you're doing an activity that is highly scripted in a manner that appears to be highly scripted while ignoring peeps making them think you are scripting and there's Outrage... OUTRAGE I say that someone might page a GM on you?

You must be one of those "people" that can actually see GM speech on your screen. I can't. GM speech is in red, which I have a very hard time seeing against most ground tile backgrounds, which means if someone pages on me, the only indication I have that a GM tried to talk to me is when I'm suddenly in jail. Even when I page a GM myself, I have to sit and watch the corner of my screen very carefully or I won't see it, and then the only way I can read it is if I follow the conversation in my journal. When I'm crafting and have my screen full of crafting gumps, and am watching my backpack so I can fill my bods, seeing something that's all but invisible to me to begin with is impossible. This is a big part of why I hide while I craft to begin with. I don't want to be bothered and have my gameplay rudely interrupted on a regular basis because I happen to spend 4-5 hours or more filling bods and someone thinks that's too long for a "normal" player.

 

[Picus at the office]

I only find it odd in that I have done this on many other shards never having the same issue.

I only said that in my specific case I believe that one would only need to have a minor amount of concentration on the game during bashing as the game itself keeps one logged in, I might have been mistaken but I thought that the TOS indicated that forcing the game to run was the issue and as golem bashing seems like a effective way to raise a skill it should be used. No script needed to do anything, I would look up every couple mins here and there to check durablity on my weapon and life on the golem. Seems ok to me, though this is only my thoughts.

There are many other events that happen in the game that I do suspect that a pager would be correct in calling a GM. SpeedingI(which I have brought up here more than once), gold farming and script resource farming are the main ones that come to mind for myself but bashing a golem is not(again IMO).

None the less good to have a hearty debate on the merits of this case.

 

[Flora Green]

The player police have been around forever. They don't seem to get that I'm (or you, or anyone else are) not obligated to answer them.

 

[Kaleb]

The player police have been around forever. They don't seem to get that I'm (or you, or anyone else are) not obligated to answer them.

Exactly what I do, I refuse to talk to anyone when Im training if I dont know them. They can page on me till their blue in the face for all I care. even when they threaten to page on me I ignore them, in hopes GMs will get sick of the false pages and take action on their accounts.

 

[Ahuaeyjnkxs]

Wishful thinking...

I know it's been mentioned in similar posts before... but some people have very elaborate scripts with multiple accounts running on many machines and when a GM shows up their cellphone will ring and they can talk to GM from ANYWHERE they like...

that problem has been around for more than 3 years... and I know the skunk workers who are part of the gold selling ring that ruined the game are ressourceful like this. They might even hire one person that will take care to reply to GMs for a lot of 50 scripter accounts ; and in the case he gets more than 3 gms at once (which is statistically improbable) well he can dispatch one of them to his friends cell phone, who "take" the call depending on availability.

Childish behavior will do nothing to repair the harm that was passed under silence, crime is crime and is the exact same thing as someone stealing the money I invest into this sandbox.

 

[Stewpid]

Exactly what I do, I refuse to talk to anyone when Im training if I dont know them. They can page on me till their blue in the face for all I care. even when they threaten to page on me I ignore them, in hopes GMs will get sick of the false pages and take action on their accounts.

I do the same thing. I don't have to respond to anyone but the GM. Unfortunately, all this GM paging keeps them busy from the people who really need one.

 

[UOKaiser]

Wishful thinking...

I know it's been mentioned in similar posts before... but some people have very elaborate scripts with multiple accounts running on many machines and when a GM shows up their cellphone will ring and they can talk to GM from ANYWHERE they like...

that problem has been around for more than 3 years... and I know the skunk workers who are part of the gold selling ring that ruined the game are ressourceful like this. They might even hire one person that will take care to reply to GMs for a lot of 50 scripter accounts ; and in the case he gets more than 3 gms at once (which is statistically improbable) well he can dispatch one of them to his friends cell phone, who "take" the call depending on availability.

Childish behavior will do nothing to repair the harm that was passed under silence, crime is crime and is the exact same thing as someone stealing the money I invest into this sandbox.

Gold selling ring? There hasn't being a ring like that since earlie 2000. They moved on to WOW and the others. Just resellers around now. And the occasional dupe that passes through the system. Hell some shards can't even find 50 players lol.

 

[Viper09]

Exactly what I do, I refuse to talk to anyone when Im training if I dont know them. They can page on me till their blue in the face for all I care. even when they threaten to page on me I ignore them, in hopes GMs will get sick of the false pages and take action on their accounts.

This

Who cares if players police and page on people? It has been going on for a long time. No point in arguing over it since players will continue to police regardless. In some cases it's a good thing, in some cases it's not. If you want to avoid being paged on, then DON'T do your "attended" or "unattended" training in a populated place! Simple as that.

In the OP here it was mentioned that this person was golem bashing. Now I can only assume this was in Luna where a lot of people do it. If you have such a problem with people paging on you why not go somewhere else? Why not go to Minoc, Moonglow, Britain, or even you house? If you're so annoyed with people paging go somewhere where there is no players!

 

[jack flash uk]

This is the reason you find the wait list 16 deep, sigh.

I don't think that in all reality it should or is the job of the player to go around playing the role of bad cop. Now if your RPing a stalker then go at it but sometimes things like the above quote take it to far.

Does it not concern you that 16 players feel the need to report something that does not look right

just think of ALL the others that are not being paged on, would be more like 200+

thats the problem NOT the players paging

and you know it really

so what have you been doing then to get paged on, seems like you may get a visit quite often?

 

[Picus at the office]

Does it not concern you that 16 players feel the need to report something that does not look right

just think of ALL the others that are not being paged on, would be more like 200+

thats the problem NOT the players paging

and you know it really

so what have you been doing then to get paged on, seems like you may get a visit quite often?

LOL, I really hope you never find yourself 16th spot in line truelly in need of a speedy reply.

 

[Connor_Graham]

thats the problem NOT the players paging

and you know it really

so what have you been doing then to get paged on, seems like you may get a visit quite often?

The players paging because I'm filling bods in my house ARE the problem. I wouldn't constantly get interrupted in my gameplay if they'd mind their own damn business. There's a reason vigilantes are illegal. They play judge and jury, while the rights of the people they're paging on are being disregarded.

 

[jack flash uk]

The players paging because I'm filling bods in my house ARE the problem. I wouldn't constantly get interrupted in my gameplay if they'd mind their own damn business. There's a reason vigilantes are illegal. They play judge and jury, while the rights of the people they're paging on are being disregarded.

well i have no right to comment on your case of course, but what about heartwood scripter, we all know they are there for the runic fletcher tools, we all know its wrong, should they be allowed to continue?

should we just turn a blind eye when we slave around training fletching, or doing the quests in the hope of a runic kit in the few hours we have to play, while others have bots running for hours upon hours, attended or not?

if only you were on europa, or maybe you are, if you like i can show you some locations, that i have found through idoc hunting, not being a vigilant i assure you, i wold like your take on such things

i can only speculate Conner, maybe you have not come across such odd looking things in your gameplay, maybe thats why you get annoyed about being paged, on, if this is the case i can see where you are coming from

If however you choose to turn a blind eye to suspect looking activities, which we, the players cannot really prove, hence why players post, so the GM team can investigate, then i wish you luck, i will not let such things go, and it appears that many others feel the same way

thats my answer, thats what i do, like i said, i dont go looking for it, that would be crazy i just come across it, plus i posted before, but it got deleted sadly, about the heavy boxes and chests on player steps with piles of blackrock on the floor in front.
on many houses spread all across the land, many small plots hidden away, odd things like this that many players seem to be doing, all the same i cant help but see this, the chests can have up to 2m stones in aswell, with bots recalling in and out, thisis not right, and recently a player mining disappeared, the chest gone, and i have not seen him/her for weeks, so i take that as one less suspect player.

 

[UOKaiser]

well i have no right to comment on your case of course, but what about heartwood scripter, we all know they are there for the runic fletcher tools, we all know its wrong, should they be allowed to continue?

should we just turn a blind eye when we slave around training fletching, or doing the quests in the hope of a runic kit in the few hours we have to play, while others have bots running for hours upon hours, attended or not?

if only you were on europa, or maybe you are, if you like i can show you some locations, that i have found through idoc hunting, not being a vigilant i assure you, i wold like your take on such things

i can only speculate Conner, maybe you have not come across such odd looking things in your gameplay, maybe thats why you get annoyed about being paged, on, if this is the case i can see where you are coming from

If however you choose to turn a blind eye to suspect looking activities, which we, the players cannot really prove, hence why players post, so the GM team can investigate, then i wish you luck, i will not let such things go, and it appears that many others feel the same way

thats my answer, thats what i do, like i said, i dont go looking for it, that would be crazy i just come across it, plus i posted before, but it got deleted sadly, about the heavy boxes and chests on player steps with piles of blackrock on the floor in front.
on many houses spread all across the land, many small plots hidden away, odd things like this that many players seem to be doing, all the same i cant help but see this, the chests can have up to 2m stones in aswell, with bots recalling in and out, thisis not right, and recently a player mining disappeared, the chest gone, and i have not seen him/her for weeks, so i take that as one less suspect player.

But thats because you don't understand the mechanics in the game. Im recalling in and out of my nice quiet plot. Total count on my 2 chest 3855924 stones in one and 8520346 on other. How many times you going to page on me and others like me untill you catch that 1 real unattended player. If you center on one person that would be called harrasment against the rules.. Will you ignore that rule to enforce others? Paging once is enough it will be answered but continue paging on the same person over and over and over again is just abuse of the system.

 

[a slave girl]

The players paging because I'm filling bods in my house ARE the problem. I wouldn't constantly get interrupted in my gameplay if they'd mind their own damn business. There's a reason vigilantes are illegal. They play judge and jury, while the rights of the people they're paging on are being disregarded.

If you are being constantly 'interrupted' in your gameplay while hiding to fill bods by 'vigilantes' who won't mind their own damn business, then why hide to begin with?

You can either be interrupted by your fellow players, this IS a multi-player game after all as someone mentioned earlier, why be so anti-social and hide so you don't have to speak to passersby?

Or you can be interrupted by GMs because other players who are passing by your house and hear the sounds of crafting but can not see a crafter ASSUME that you are hiding because you have something to HIDE.

It is impossible to target a hidden player and if you don't have tracking you can't even tell who is hidden so yes you make yourself look very suspicious when hiding to craft.

As someone who does page on suspected scriptors (I DO have tracking), I usually test to see if they're attended BEFORE I page by saying Hi or dropping bagballs for moving scriptors.

I view players such as yourself as being a waste of GMs time and bad for UO as well if you can't be bothered to type 2 little letters to a fellow player.

You do realize that there's no one to hide from but yourself in single player games?

 

[jack flash uk]

can your macro recall you to a mining location, mine, recall home, RUN into the plot drop ore and gems etc then recall away again, rinse and repeat, and control up to 8 chars ?

i enquired about this to someone i know, to have them admit that their "friend" is using an attended script

is that ok?

and do you drop blackrock in piles outside your house like amny others do?

i bet you don't

i can only comment on what i have seen on my travels, when i see many players doing the same thing, i get suspicious, again, i bring your attention to heartwood, jumping off moving beetles, players now hide, and "work" right next to recycle bin, oh, all standing on each other, all walking and following the same path, EXACTLY
now yes i guess macros can be made, but how does everyone on diff shard and facets do the same thing?

its a script, they should be removed from game

if you are not doing anything wrong, chat to the GM, answer the question and enjoy the rest of your day, it takes them a few seconds i am sure to communicate with you, take a few secs to reply, no hassle, no dramas

when players dont reply then they get watched, job done

so if they check lots of peeps and catch one or two suspects,every hour, every day, week whatever then its good isnt it? better to get rid of then than to ignore?

 

[Connor_Graham]

I view players such as yourself as being a waste of GMs time and bad for UO as well if you can't be bothered to type 2 little letters to a fellow player.

You have to see the players to say anything to them. As my screen is usually filled with crafting and Bod gumps, 99% of the time I don't. Even my friends know to make noise when they hear me crafting because they know I won't know they're there if they don't. You also answered your own question. I hide so I can't be targeted since most of the time I don't even know anyone is there. It cuts down on how often I'm interrupted, which shouldn't happen to begin with if I'm sitting in my own house minding my own business.

You've also got a very skewed view of who and what is bad for UO. It damn sure isn't someone that's never cheated and is doing nothing wrong.

 

[Picus of Napa]

If you are being constantly 'interrupted' in your gameplay while hiding to fill bods by 'vigilantes' who won't mind their own damn business, then why hide to begin with?

You can either be interrupted by your fellow players, this IS a multi-player game after all as someone mentioned earlier, why be so anti-social and hide so you don't have to speak to passersby?

Or you can be interrupted by GMs because other players who are passing by your house and hear the sounds of crafting but can not see a crafter ASSUME that you are hiding because you have something to HIDE.

It is impossible to target a hidden player and if you don't have tracking you can't even tell who is hidden so yes you make yourself look very suspicious when hiding to craft.

As someone who does page on suspected scriptors (I DO have tracking), I usually test to see if they're attended BEFORE I page by saying Hi or dropping bagballs for moving scriptors.

I view players such as yourself as being a waste of GMs time and bad for UO as well if you can't be bothered to type 2 little letters to a fellow player.

You do realize that there's no one to hide from but yourself in single player games?

How on earth is he to say hello to you when you are outside of his private house doing stuff inside of a house he has private just so people like yourself cannot come in?

At some point the expectation of the general players that say one must say hello or I shall page is absurd and it nears greifing just because. There is no reason in a MMORPG that a person has to even talk to another player. UO has provided myself and everyone else ample ablities to avoid the masses if you want to.

Some of the replies I've hear here are not that far from the crazy stuff people say about letting visable minorities on airplanes, if the shoe fits your must be guilty. Fail.

 

[UOKaiser]

can your macro recall you to a mining location, mine, recall home, RUN into the plot drop ore and gems etc then recall away again, rinse and repeat, and control up to 8 chars ?

i enquired about this to someone i know, to have them admit that their "friend" is using an attended script

is that ok?

and do you drop blackrock in piles outside your house like amny others do?

i bet you don't

i can only comment on what i have seen on my travels, when i see many players doing the same thing, i get suspicious, again, i bring your attention to heartwood, jumping off moving beetles, players now hide, and "work" right next to recycle bin, oh, all standing on each other, all walking and following the same path, EXACTLY
now yes i guess macros can be made, but how does everyone on diff shard and facets do the same thing?

its a script, they should be removed from game

if you are not doing anything wrong, chat to the GM, answer the question and enjoy the rest of your day, it takes them a few seconds i am sure to communicate with you, take a few secs to reply, no hassle, no dramas

when players dont reply then they get watched, job done

so if they check lots of peeps and catch one or two suspects,every hour, every day, week whatever then its good isnt it? better to get rid of then than to ignore?

I can macro recall mine recall mine recall home etc.. The only manual part I need to do is move ore. Chatting with a gm is one thing having to chat to a gm 60 times a week is totally something else. You mess with other people issues. Got guild members that use the community drop where we share the resources once a month from the allaince. It's not all the time but they all dedicate at least 1 day a month to drop of there resources for guild use.

 

[Guido_LS]

You have to see the players to say anything to them. As my screen is usually filled with crafting and Bod gumps, 99% of the time I don't. Even my friends know to make noise when they hear me crafting because they know I won't know they're there if they don't. You also answered your own question. I hide so I can't be targeted since most of the time I don't even know anyone is there. It cuts down on how often I'm interrupted, which shouldn't happen to begin with if I'm sitting in my own house minding my own business.

You've also got a very skewed view of who and what is bad for UO. It damn sure isn't someone that's never cheated and is doing nothing wrong.

Exact same thing here - when I'm filling bods, I usually have 3-4 gumps taking up the majority of my screen, and I'm not likely to see anything beyond those.

Some people seem to think that because this is an MMO, it's also ICQ with avatars, and if you don't answer their uh oh, there's a problem, or you aren't really there...

If I'm at home, and I don't feel like talking to anyone, I go into the other room and close the door. Why is that an issue for people in a game?

 

[Mapper]

if you are not doing anything wrong, chat to the GM, answer the question and enjoy the rest of your day, it takes them a few seconds i am sure to communicate with you, take a few secs to reply, no hassle, no dramas

The trouble is, If people keep reporting on attended people the GM queue is filling up and keeping people with serious issues needing to wait longer.

When I had a GM speak to me when I was moving wood with pack horses they wasted atleast 5 minutes of their time, Perhaps more with any 'behind the scenes' stuff they had to do. Had the player just spoke to me, I would have said Hi and perhaps have explained what I was doing.

I can completely understand on reporting on people if they are moving in a similar way etc, but I think people should try speak to the person themselves instead of immediately calling a GM.

In my case I never even saw the player so It was either a stealther or a spot checking GM, Which would be odd considering where I was.

 

[Flora Green]

If you are being constantly 'interrupted' in your gameplay while hiding to fill bods by 'vigilantes' who won't mind their own damn business, then why hide to begin with?

You can either be interrupted by your fellow players, this IS a multi-player game after all as someone mentioned earlier, why be so anti-social and hide so you don't have to speak to passersby?

Or you can be interrupted by GMs because other players who are passing by your house and hear the sounds of crafting but can not see a crafter ASSUME that you are hiding because you have something to HIDE.

It is impossible to target a hidden player and if you don't have tracking you can't even tell who is hidden so yes you make yourself look very suspicious when hiding to craft.

As someone who does page on suspected scriptors (I DO have tracking), I usually test to see if they're attended BEFORE I page by saying Hi or dropping bagballs for moving scriptors.

I view players such as yourself as being a waste of GMs time and bad for UO as well if you can't be bothered to type 2 little letters to a fellow player.

You do realize that there's no one to hide from but yourself in single player games?

If I'm in my house, hidden or not, watering plants with multiple gumps up or chests open or I'm doing bods, I do not want to be bothered. I usually have my crafting and greenhouse areas locked to people other than friends because the interruptions from players is a waste of MY time. There are exceptions such as when I'm just doing some little things and I don't mind if a customer needs to speak with me.

I view players such as you a waste of GM time and bad for UO. You're no different than the neighbors in my old HOA. They spent far more time checking to see if I had brought my trash can up from the road, cut my grass to a "suitable height" or neglected to get permission from the board to (heaven forbid) cut down the remainder of a dangerous tree that had been damaged in a storm. I can count on ONE hand the number of times in THREE years of living there, and two years of building prior, the number of people who bothered to socialize with me.

I have never scripted in this game nor will I. I don't use UO Assist and I have very basic macros set up that I rarely use. If you want to waste your, GM, fellow players and my time snooping around my house or Connors or anyone elses you don't approve of, go at it. I would LOVE to see GM's take action on the accounts of abusive pagers.

I'm hardly anti-social, but if I'm busy, odds are I won't see someone chatting to me, even at the bank. If I DO see someone and they are being annoying, then no I will not type two whole letters to that person.

 

[a slave girl]

If I'm in my house, hidden or not, watering plants with multiple gumps up or chests open or I'm doing bods, I do not want to be bothered. I usually have my crafting and greenhouse areas locked to people other than friends because the interruptions from players is a waste of MY time. There are exceptions such as when I'm just doing some little things and I don't mind if a customer needs to speak with me.

I view players such as you a waste of GM time and bad for UO. You're no different than the neighbors in my old HOA. They spent far more time checking to see if I had brought my trash can up from the road, cut my grass to a "suitable height" or neglected to get permission from the board to (heaven forbid) cut down the remainder of a dangerous tree that had been damaged in a storm. I can count on ONE hand the number of times in THREE years of living there, and two years of building prior, the number of people who bothered to socialize with me.

I have never scripted in this game nor will I. I don't use UO Assist and I have very basic macros set up that I rarely use. If you want to waste your, GM, fellow players and my time snooping around my house or Connors or anyone elses you don't approve of, go at it. I would LOVE to see GM's take action on the accounts of abusive pagers.

I'm hardly anti-social, but if I'm busy, odds are I won't see someone chatting to me, even at the bank. If I DO see someone and they are being annoying, then no I will not type two whole letters to that person.

Talk to me or a GM, it's your choice.

 

[a slave girl]

How on earth is he to say hello to you when you are outside of his private house doing stuff inside of a house he has private just so people like yourself cannot come in?

At some point the expectation of the general players that say one must say hello or I shall page is absurd and it nears greifing just because. There is no reason in a MMORPG that a person has to even talk to another player. UO has provided myself and everyone else ample ablities to avoid the masses if you want to.

Some of the replies I've hear here are not that far from the crazy stuff people say about letting visable minorities on airplanes, if the shoe fits your must be guilty. Fail.

He probably owns 10 houses like alot of us do but I only know one of his and it's his vendor house which is guess what?

Public.

Maybe he's crafting hidden away in a locked room where I can not go.

A GM can.


*shrugs*

 

[a slave girl]

You have to see the players to say anything to them. As my screen is usually filled with crafting and Bod gumps, 99% of the time I don't. Even my friends know to make noise when they hear me crafting because they know I won't know they're there if they don't. You also answered your own question. I hide so I can't be targeted since most of the time I don't even know anyone is there. It cuts down on how often I'm interrupted, which shouldn't happen to begin with if I'm sitting in my own house minding my own business.

You've also got a very skewed view of who and what is bad for UO. It damn sure isn't someone that's never cheated and is doing nothing wrong.

You hide so you can't be targeted, but you can still be paged on so why bother?

My 'view' of UO is that it's filled with cheaters.

I don't like my view of UO but that's because I don't like cheaters.

And yes it's my community it IS my job to do what I can to make the view better.

The cheaters sure aren't gonna do it.

 

[Petra Fyde]

Too many people are looking so hard for 'cheaters' that they are inventing them.
I once got told my best friend in game was 'ignorant' because he'd ignored them when they spoke to him. At the time he was stocking his vendors, he had his entire playscreen filled with open packs arranged for stocking. He didn't ignore them, he never saw them.
And with that I'm declaring this particular witch hunt over.