So many events ruined

[quig]

Events ruined by just one or 2 people. Can we please get a jail, or a mute spell for EMs to use. I realize I can put them on ignore, but it seems EMs dont have that ability and end up having to baby these people and give in to there whines. EMs will end up doing less events and giving out less items!

So please Mesanna or whoever deals with this, give EMs a little power. Thanks!

 

[Theo_GL]

EMs will end up doing less events and giving out less items!

Ah yes....UO - the game all about items.

Personally I don't think EM's should be able to give anything out. It is just a greedfest.

" I'll play nice and kill the stupid dragon if you give me some uber cloak I can sell for 20 mil."

 

[quig]

EMs will end up doing less events and giving out less items!

Ah yes....UO - the game all about items.

Personally I don't think EM's should be able to give anything out. It is just a greedfest.

" I'll play nice and kill the stupid dragon if you give me some uber cloak I can sell for 20 mil."

I like events and I like items, dont see anything wrong with that. What I dont like are people spamming crap and standing on the EM who is trying to explain a storyline. If you dont like items you can leave them on the corpses.

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

I like items.

But I will do events without items. Will do them gladly.

I like items because I roleplay an antiques dealer, and an EM item is an antique. Also, yes, I like the money.

But I will gladly do events without items.

Not having items isn't the answer, because then people complain about the lack of items.

The problem is that people feel entitled to items, and entitled to super valuable items. So if everyone at an event got an item, and thus the items were diminished in value, they would also complain.

It is a battle that cannot be won either way.

No items: Complaints.

Rare items: Complaints.

Common items that everyone gets: Complaints.

I will attend well-done events, such as those on Great Lakes, regardless of what system is used.

And why? Because I'm attending for the story, to participate in something greater than myself, and to have a fun in-game experience. The items, if they are there at all, are just a pleasant extra.

-Galen's player

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

Oh, also, I think I'd surely support the idea of the EMs being given the power to squelch or temporarily jail or remove disruptive people.

Sure it could be abused but....Right now the lack of that ability is surely being abused by the players.

-Galen's player

 

[MalagAste]

EMs will end up doing less events and giving out less items!

Ah yes....UO - the game all about items.

Personally I don't think EM's should be able to give anything out. It is just a greedfest.

" I'll play nice and kill the stupid dragon if you give me some uber cloak I can sell for 20 mil."

I like events and I like items, dont see anything wrong with that. What I dont like are people spamming crap and standing on the EM who is trying to explain a storyline. If you dont like items you can leave them on the corpses.

Exactly...... I just had to suffer through about 2 hours of listening to some whiner cry about how Alt and Pac got some pixel crack that everyone was able to get ..... Yes I know about the stupid fur boots and could care less...... while we had a totally awesome event put on by our EM.... who did alot of research into Celtic lore and the history of Ireland and all and old Celtic "folklore".... and put on a very awesome event where 10 people got a very cool item that actually did something rather than just was a renamed specially colored item..... that everyone has...... And those 10 lucky people I'm sure very much enjoy them...... do I care that I didn't get one...... NO...... I had a great time at the event and enjoyed how cleaver it was at telling the story of some Irish Lore....

I am irritated that the rest of us instead of being able to discuss our event tonight with the EM's had to listen to the whiner go on and on and on about how every other shard got all this crap while we got nothing which in fact was UNTRUE since 10 people did get something but that wasn't good enough for this whiner.... no because SHE didn't get something the EM's sucked and the whole event process sucked and she was going to come week after week to berate our EM's and pitch a fit and cry foul because our EM's didn't give her a shinny new piece of pixel crack to take up a 100 lockdowns in her house or that she could sell for a lousy 5 million because everyone else on the shard would already have 4 or 5 at least......

I think our EM's do an excellent job..... I don't want the same crap as another shard.... I LIKE that our events are all different..... and unique... I would hate it if every shard had the same event and got the same crap....

I'm very concerned that whining attitudes like hers will jeopardize the EM events and EA will pull the plug on them.... like they have in the past..... that would really tick me off... and I'm even more concerned that EA or someone will listen to this whiner and think she is the voice of our shard and they will fire our EM's..... because honestly I think the EM's for GLs are the BEST EVER......

I'm totally disgusted at her behavior, sad that the EM's had to be subjected to it... and disturbed that anyone would agree with her.... I go to the events week after week have hardly missed a single one.... and this chick shows up only when there is some chance at crap and thinks that she should get some medal of honor or something because she attended it????? Give me a break...

Makes me wish they would never give out anything so whiners have no reason to whine but that only ruins it for everyone else..... Irritating that one whiner can ruin such a good thing.

 

[curlybeard]

The return of the EM program was the best thing to happen to UO in years. Great Lakes is lucky to have such a dedicated duo.

 

[quig]

And this isnt just happening on one shard, recent examples:

1. GL event tonight-actually MalagAste above tells that one

2. Origin event March 20- IN a pivitol point after the battle were the EMs explain what has happened and setup for next event, someone spams constantly "can i have a tree". Not once or twice but several times, and right on top of the EMs words. Finally the EM gated them to "get a tree".

3. Napa event March 17- Advertised as a RP event, the 2 EMs had chars stand on top of them while another yelled "BOOOOOOOOO YOU SUCK" or something like that. Finally the EMs just left, leaving the majority of good players with a shortened event.

Theres more but to dwell on them all doesnt do anyone any good. Hope something can be done for future events.

 

[Llewen]

Wow, I would have assumed that EM's would have the tools they need to keep order and make sure as many as possible have a good time. At the very least I would assume they had a hotline to GM's who would have those abilities.

 

[Farsight]

Right now I'm running under the assumption that they have tools to handle distractions, but aren't allowed to use it?

Why do I have this assumption? Because early on in the process, one of the EMs was teleporting me around the world just to test out the functionality.

So while squelching (which they desperately need) and jailing (also needed) aren't possibilities, moving someone away from the event is a possibility.

But I haven't seen that happen to anyone since the first couple of days, which leads me to the assumption (aka, I have no evidence that the ability wasn't removed from the EMs) that they don't have permission to do it.

 

[Taylor]

More power for EMs.

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

Show up and be obnoxious. You get tossed.
Id much rather EA look into an EM that abuses it vs. sitting with 12 munchkins acting like kiddies.

 

[Stupid Miner]

Personally i'd like a Toggle to Mute everyone on screen, with a filter to allow a few people. 20 people in an event, when combat starts, the screen is covered with text from spells. Causes lag, and have no idea what anyone's saying.

Would also like to reduce the amount of text on the left side of the screen from special moves and such.

Also, perhaps total insurance costs and just tell it to us in one line of text? As it is, I have a *lot* of stuff insured (10 gp).

Text tends to accumulate, especially for Bushido warriors.

 

[LordDrago]

Show up and be obnoxious. You get tossed.
Id much rather EA look into an EM that abuses it vs. sitting with 12 munchkins acting like kiddies.

YES!!!!!!

The EM Program is a huge plus for UO. EA/Mythic needs to empower the EMs to conduct their business.

 

[MYUO]

Events ruined by just one or 2 people. Can we please get a jail, or a mute spell for EMs to use. I realize I can put them on ignore, but it seems EMs dont have that ability and end up having to baby these people and give in to there whines. EMs will end up doing less events and giving out less items!

So please Mesanna or whoever deals with this, give EMs a little power. Thanks!

If the EMs hold the public meeting/gathering in a building (e.g community center) and EMs have the ability to ban the spammers/abusers from the building, that will make things a lot better. Technically, it may not be hard to set this up.

 

[Phineas le Monge]

During an event on Catskills featuring either an EM or GM RPing a dragon, one person was extremely annoying. Eventually the dragon "ate" the perp. There was much rejoicing.

Squelch and/or jail for annoyances would be excellent. If another dragon could swoop down and kill them at the same time as a RP device, that would be even more wonderful.

YES!!! WOOT!!! Wish I could have seen that!

 

[Yalp]

Personally i'd like a Toggle to Mute everyone on screen, with a filter to allow a few people. 20 people in an event, when combat starts, the screen is covered with text from spells. Causes lag, and have no idea what anyone's saying.

Would also like to reduce the amount of text on the left side of the screen from special moves and such.

Also, perhaps total insurance costs and just tell it to us in one line of text? As it is, I have a *lot* of stuff insured (10 gp).

Text tends to accumulate, especially for Bushido warriors.

Oh yeah! i'd love this.

 

[Trebr Drab]

Lots of the same old problems here.

In the past, people would invite seers/GMs to someone's house and ban the loser. Next comes the complaints that the events are not public enough, that there's special treatment, etc. So this really doesn't work well in the end.

EM powers could be abused, and the mere hint of that is bad too.
GMs need to give better support as a third party to EMs.

 

[GarthGrey]

I like events and I like items, dont see anything wrong with that. What I dont like are people spamming crap and standing on the EM who is trying to explain a storyline. If you dont like items you can leave them on the corpses.

That's because THOSE people are upset that YOU receive special invites to these events. Anyone who denies this is high..Get rid of EMs already..

 

[Theo_GL]

I like events and I like items, dont see anything wrong with that. What I dont like are people spamming crap and standing on the EM who is trying to explain a storyline. If you dont like items you can leave them on the corpses.

My point is the greed over the items is what brings the unsavory to the events. Otherwise it would likely be more cival with a bunch of RPers.

 

[Martyna Zmuir]

The entirety of the complaints that were levied at this particular event, yes I was there, was the fact that the two whining little children didn't get a piece of pixel crack to satisfy their addiction.

They went to an event assuming they would be showered in free pixels because they were ever-so-special. They got nothing. Boohoo. They proceeded to complain ad nauseum over the fact that "other shards" got pixel crack for St. Patrick’s Day and GL didn't. Again, boohoo.

They denied that it was all about the pixels, but kept using the fact that there wasn't a font of items to say that the EMs dodn't care about GL. Their BS was obvious, their argument was crap.

Let’s not sugar coat their behavior or the fact that they should have been tossed out on their butts after 10 mins of their disruption, let alone subject the EMs to their whining FOR AN HOUR AND HALF.

Malachi, Elizabella, from all of us on GL: THANK YOU.

 

[longshanks]

yesterday afternoon the em on chessy released a bunch of miasma's on steroids at luna bank. was funny to see all the dead afk'rs around.

 

[Llewen]

My point is the greed over the items is what brings the unsavory to the events. Otherwise it would likely be more cival with a bunch of RPers.

It might make the crowd a bit more highbrow on average, but there would still be griefers. There are plenty of bored kids (mostly) with too much time on their hands who love nothing better than to disrupt events of any kind, especially RP events.

The EM's need to be given the power to jail disruptive clients, and the authority to use those powers.

 

[Trebr Drab]

yesterday afternoon the em on chessy released a bunch of miasma's on steroids at luna bank. was funny to see all the dead afk'rs around.

Is this for real? Those players deserve better treatment than that. Some of them might have been legitimately AFK out of RL need, and they'll lose their stuff in their backpack. It might be hours worth of work, wasted for some unexpected and unwarranted action. This only p.o.'s players and that's senseless. It also drives another wedge in deeper between players who like different things.

If EM's have powers and abuse them, they risk having those powers removed from all the EMs, thus hurting the entire effort.

EMs need to use their heads.
If that's true, and there's nothing more to it, that's just very poor judgment.
And EMs abusing powers is exactly why they need GM support, not the powers themselves.

 

[Gowron]

The vast majority of AFK bank sitters on Chessy are either burning off murder counts or have already banked the expensive stuff. There's an Inn above the bank to insta log out if it's necessary to attend to RL matters. Most of the Chessy folks know to bank their valuable stuff that's not insured.

Of course, when I saw the Miasma Raid (not sure what it's supposed to be called), everyone was active in the fight.

 

[Llewen]

The vast majority of AFK bank sitters on Chessy are either burning off murder counts or have already banked the expensive stuff. There's an Inn above the bank to insta log out if it's necessary to attend to RL matters. Most of the Chessy folks know to bank their valuable stuff that's not insured.

Of course, when I saw the Miasma Raid (not sure what it's supposed to be called), everyone was active in the fight.

Frankly if you are stupid enough to be afk anywhere with something valuable in your pack that is uninsured, you deserve what you get if you lose it. This game needs to be less predictable, more chaotic, and overall less "safe". Kudos to the EM.

 

[MalagAste]

The vast majority of AFK bank sitters on Chessy are either burning off murder counts or have already banked the expensive stuff. There's an Inn above the bank to insta log out if it's necessary to attend to RL matters. Most of the Chessy folks know to bank their valuable stuff that's not insured.

Of course, when I saw the Miasma Raid (not sure what it's supposed to be called), everyone was active in the fight.

Frankly if you are stupid enough to be afk anywhere with something valuable in your pack that is uninsured, you deserve what you get if you lose it. This game needs to be less predictable, more chaotic, and overall less "safe". Kudos to the EM.

Agreed! I believe it states somewhere in the ToS that you are NOT at any time to be AFK ..... and ingame... and of course that they do not replace lost or stolen items..... we have insta log for a reason. That's why smart people LOG OUT.... when they are afk. You risk whatever you have if you go AFK.... this is a fact...

Personally I applaud the EM's for whacking afkers at Luna.... heck I would give them a reward if they whacked AFK scripters in Luna.... Give them a raise I say.


But as for the GL thing... I was totally annoyed to have to listen to the whining and complaining that went on... the EM's on GL have done a wonderful job of hosting events and making them fun.... the rewards that are given when they are given have been awesome....

I'm sure not all shards got the colored talisman that we got on GL's.... and everyone that was around got one if they asked for one from the EM's when they gave them out... but you don't see other shards crying about that... Rewards are rewards whether 10 people get them or 1,000 people get them...

Honestly I'm disgusted by the behavior of a few especially when they don't ever participate at all in any of the events unless they believe they are going to "get" something...

And it sickens me to think that these whiners might ruin the events for everyone else... Because quite frankly I think that with all the BS the EM's have to put up with ... (Tons of people bringing tamers and huge dragons standing right on top of the EM's time and time again having NO respect for others who are trying to "see" what's going on only to be blocked by someone and their pet, having ungrateful whiners complain every time they don't get some piece of pixel crack, having people spam spells and all sorts of other things while they are trying to set up the storyline... and worst of all the people that come using vulgar language and childlike behavior both in Chat and in game and not being able to do anything about it... and having to not only put up with this but be NICE about it)... that's what gets me..... these people are other players who have given their time and event thought they do get paid... it's still an investment of time and effort they put into these events only to have some Jerk there badmouthing them because they didn't receive some pixel crack garbage... it's disturbing...

I do wish the EM's had the power to "Squelch"... and remove offensive players... so that others can enjoy the event and not have to be subjected to someone making a scene....

To me if everyone in game were MEANT to get something for a holiday... it would come with a publish and you'd be forced to take the crap when you logged in as it would go to your backpack...

Everything else that is given out... is a REWARD... and you are NOT entitled to it... and if one shard gets something and another does not... TOUGH LUCK.....

I don't know about the rest of GL's but I got my furry green boots from Atl...... do I really care that I didn't get some similar piece of junk on GL's.... NO I do not. I had a great time that's all that mattered and it was an event that was well planned and executed. It was fun.... which is exactly what it was meant to be.

 

[Yalp]

Is this for real? Those players deserve better treatment than that. Some of them might have been legitimately AFK out of RL need, and they'll lose their stuff in their backpack. It might be hours worth of work, wasted for some unexpected and unwarranted action. This only p.o.'s players and that's senseless. It also drives another wedge in deeper between players who like different things.

If EM's have powers and abuse them, they risk having those powers removed from all the EMs, thus hurting the entire effort.

EMs need to use their heads.
If that's true, and there's nothing more to it, that's just very poor judgment.
And EMs abusing powers is exactly why they need GM support, not the powers themselves.

sweet! you guys had an invasion in Luna on Chessy! If you all wanna cry about it, bring it to Baja, we love that kind of stuff! And if it catchs peeps afk bank sitting or golem training.. BONUS!

 

[Trebr Drab]

Is this for real? Those players deserve better treatment than that. Some of them might have been legitimately AFK out of RL need, and they'll lose their stuff in their backpack. It might be hours worth of work, wasted for some unexpected and unwarranted action. This only p.o.'s players and that's senseless. It also drives another wedge in deeper between players who like different things.

If EM's have powers and abuse them, they risk having those powers removed from all the EMs, thus hurting the entire effort.

EMs need to use their heads.
If that's true, and there's nothing more to it, that's just very poor judgment.
And EMs abusing powers is exactly why they need GM support, not the powers themselves.

sweet! you guys had an invasion in Luna on Chessy! If you all wanna cry about it, bring it to Baja, we love that kind of stuff! And if it catchs peeps afk bank sitting or golem training.. BONUS!

I don't play on Chessy. Therefore, I am not crying about it. Simply stating my opinion.
BTW, I'm all for Golem trainors getting whacked if they are AFK. What I think is in bad form is running something like this when players may be AFK to answer an important phone call or a kid needs attention. They may have just loaded up with a bunch of things to place on their vendors that took them countless hours to gather and produce. Now, if they script or cheat to do so, I'd love to see them lose it. But not all do, why make decent players pay along with the cheaters? It just seems silly and foolish and the back draft may burn.

Edit to add: I'm talking about surprise attacks here. If they want to invade Luna, they should set it up with a weeks worth of attacks outside first, or something like that.

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

Is this for real? Those players deserve better treatment than that. Some of them might have been legitimately AFK out of RL need, and they'll lose their stuff in their backpack. It might be hours worth of work, wasted for some unexpected and unwarranted action. This only p.o.'s players and that's senseless. It also drives another wedge in deeper between players who like different things.

If EM's have powers and abuse them, they risk having those powers removed from all the EMs, thus hurting the entire effort.

EMs need to use their heads.
If that's true, and there's nothing more to it, that's just very poor judgment.
And EMs abusing powers is exactly why they need GM support, not the powers themselves.

sweet! you guys had an invasion in Luna on Chessy! If you all wanna cry about it, bring it to Baja, we love that kind of stuff! And if it catchs peeps afk bank sitting or golem training.. BONUS!

I don't play on Chessy. Therefore, I am not crying about it. Simply stating my opinion.
BTW, I'm all for Golem trainors getting whacked if they are AFK. What I think is in bad form is running something like this when players may be AFK to answer an important phone call or a kid needs attention. They may have just loaded up with a bunch of things to place on their vendors that took them countless hours to gather and produce. Now, if they script or cheat to do so, I'd love to see them lose it. But not all do, why make decent players pay along with the cheaters? It just seems silly and foolish and the back draft may burn.

Edit to add: I'm talking about surprise attacks here. If they want to invade Luna, they should set it up with a weeks worth of attacks outside first, or something like that.

You do realize the GMs know less about the game overall than the EMs...dont you?

 

[Trebr Drab]

You do realize the GMs know less about the game overall than the EMs...dont you?

Good point, sadly.

Damn, I've been debating just giving up on UO, and this kind of stuff just leans me farther in that direction.

UO may well be a ghost already.

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

Good point, sadly.

Damn, I've been debating just giving up on UO, and this kind of stuff just leans me farther in that direction.

UO may well be a ghost already.

The EMs knowing more ISN'T a bad thing, as they are the ones who actually DEAL with the mechanics of the game...whereas the GMs do not (more often than not anymore they dont). The good thing is the EMs are actually employed by EA as well, so their knowledge is not a hindrance but actually a boon for the game. They provide a service for all of us to make use of...if we so see fit.

The issue at hand has nothing to do with the EMs themselves...it has to do with the player base. In question it is actually one solitary person on GL who has an issue...nobody else. Rather than trying to punish the player the EMs have in fact given the player room to breath...up till now. However after the last attempt to show the person reason I highly doubt the EMs will be putting up with them again.

If you are debating giving up...I suggest you look into doing other things within the game...perhaps you need a change of scene from your normal grind. I wouldnt place this all on EA...place your blame on the shoulders of the few who are a pain in the ass.

Oh...and if you really want to get even with these people...why not just kick the crap out of them during the fel events?

 

[Trebr Drab]

None of that answers to any of the many things I'm thinking about. And it's not about any personal vendetta, or even about this one incident. It's all about the game as a whole. And this game is not whole.

 

[LordDrago]

yesterday afternoon the em on chessy released a bunch of miasma's on steroids at luna bank. was funny to see all the dead afk'rs around.

I had just logged in and needed to hit the bank,so I recalled into luna. Just as I said "bank", a bunch of miasmas jumped in. Seeing as I was on my fighter, I didn't run, but joined in the fight. Wave after wave of the miasmas came in (5 or so waves). After the last one, I waited a few minutes, and as nothing else appeared, and i had RL issues to deal with, I recalled to my house and logged out.

All in all, a fun surprise. I also noticed, that the miasmas did not immediately attack when they first appeared, so anyone who wanted to leave, if they noticed the arrival, could recall out or run away without much effort, especially as the rest of the people there jumped right ont he misasmas once they were noticed.

 

[Troll The T Hunter]

I have always had the attitude of never keeping anything on me I can't afford to lose if I'm afk ANYWHERE. Although I've never played on a shard that had trammel (siege and pre-trammel Pacific.) so maybe I'm a little more aware then people on trammel shards.

I love when there's events that take over citys, Remember when all of trinsic was taken over. Ive seen vesper, skara, yew, luna, moonglow, serpents hold and parts of brit taken over. it's part of the game.

 

[Apetul]

BTW guys, seems u can now "host" your own event with people and ask for new items customized for the hosters/staff.

http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?t=187617

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

BTW guys, seems u can now "host" your own event with people and ask for new items customized for the hosters/staff.

http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?t=187617

I'll just duplicate what I just posted in that thread:

Isn't there another way to mark an item like that?

If it was an EM I don't see it as a huge issue, honestly. It can even be seen as adding to the game and helping to create unique, shard-specific content, which is kind of what the EMs were supposed to do.

The current wave of EM events were were one of the best things to happen to this game in a long time, and complaining about them has done more damage than any most abuses could have ever hoped to.

But do we even know that it was an EM?

Isn't there an armor engraving tool? Could this be done with that tool? I honestly know very little about that stuff.

But even if it was legitimately done by an EM I don't have much of an issue with it.

-Galen's player

 

[Martyna Zmuir]

BTW guys, seems u can now "host" your own event with people and ask for new items customized for the hosters/staff.

http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?t=187617

Wow.

This sets a BAD precedent...

Way to go favortism.

 

[canary]

Isn't there an armor engraving tool? Could this be done with that tool? I honestly know very little about that stuff.

There is (you must buy it with RL cash), but it does not do that. You cannot engrave a sash. That pic was of something done by an EM, plain and simple.

Bad precedent indeed.

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

Wow.

This sets a BAD precedent...

Way to go favortism.

My biggest worry, to an extent already coming true via this thread, is that what I think is a bigger issue, player misconduct, will come to be drowned out.

I think player misconduct is a bigger threat to having a good time at EM events than this incident is.

I could see a reasonable argument that this isn't misconduct at all. (Not saying how I feel one way or the other...I just think what we as players have done is a lot more hurtful.)

-Galen's player

 

[Stupid Miner]

BTW guys, seems u can now "host" your own event with people and ask for new items customized for the hosters/staff.

http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?t=187617

You're right, players who host events should do it entirely in spite of themselves. They should sacrifice their time and effort to an unappreciative group of ingrates who only will turn back to spit at their efforts.

It's not like they should get a reward or something.

 

[Martyna Zmuir]

You're right, players who host events should do it entirely in spite of themselves. They should sacrifice their time and effort to an unappreciative group of ingrates who only will turn back to spit at their efforts.

It's not like they should get a reward or something.

Yay for subtext... Boo for reading comprehension...

If players want to create events for their fellow player, regardless of the reception of said event, they should be doing it for enjoyment and giving back to their community. NOT because Mesanna will make them a flashy leet item.

This just turned the "No you can't have an item just because you asked, regardless of who you are." on its ear. The EMs, being the most visible "EA Staffer" on the shards, will now be fielding even more requests, and dealing with even more whining when they say no.

The other thread's discussion can explain more.

 

[MalagAste]

Yay for subtext... Boo for reading comprehension...

If players want to create events for their fellow player, regardless of the reception of said event, they should be doing it for enjoyment and giving back to their community. NOT because Mesanna will make them a flashy leet item.

This just turned the "No you can't have an item just because you asked, regardless of who you are." on its ear. The EMs, being the most visible "EA Staffer" on the shards will now be fielding even more requests, and dealing with even more whining when they say no.

The other thread's discussion can explain more.

I agree Martyna...

Not good..... So now instead of going to an EM event I'll have to be subjected to even more gimmie gimmie where is mine!!!! BS.

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

We are, as I had feared we would, losing touch with the important aspect of the issue, and that is that players feeling entitled to items causes problems with and at events.

Messana's making items for the rares event wouldn't be an issue at all, I would suggest, if it wouldn't result in emboldening players who already have major entitlement issues.

It's the impact that's the issue, not that it happened at all. (At least as far as I'm concerned.)

Either way, the issue is the players, and their sense of entitlement, and the way they act upon it, more than pretty much anything Messana or the EMs could do.

The most corrupt EM imaginable can be fired. Dozens of "entitled" players are a more difficult issue.

-Galen's player

 

[Ahuaeyjnkxs]

haha you're a genius... this is exactly what I tried to explain to you all for what, one year now ?

Thanks Galen... I like you after all.

Some people deserve entitlement. DEFINATELY.

it should not even be a question !

But it is ?!

 

[Trebr Drab]

We are, as I had feared we would, losing touch with the important aspect of the issue, and that is that players feeling entitled to items causes problems with and at events.

Messana's making items for the rares event wouldn't be an issue at all, I would suggest, if it wouldn't result in emboldening players who already have major entitlement issues.

It's the impact that's the issue, not that it happened at all. (At least as far as I'm concerned.)

Either way, the issue is the players, and their sense of entitlement, and the way they act upon it, more than pretty much anything Messana or the EMs could do.

The most corrupt EM imaginable can be fired. Dozens of "entitled" players are a more difficult issue.

-Galen's player

And so EM participation in that entitlement is bad? Handing thing out to crybabies is bad? Giving special tunics to event runners is bad? Trying to draw players to events by handing out things as rewards is bad?

I'm not trying to shoot you down here, it's just that I'm having a really tough time deciding when such things are good and when they are bad. Sometimes it seems like it is good. Others, bad. It's a tough thing to figure out, and I don't envy the EMs in this.

 

[Martyna Zmuir]

And so EM participation in that entitlement is bad? Handing thing out to crybabies is bad? Giving special tunics to event runners is bad? Trying to draw players to events by handing out things as rewards is bad?

I'm not trying to shoot you down here, it's just that I'm having a really tough time deciding when such things are good and when they are bad. Sometimes it seems like it is good. Others, bad. It's a tough thing to figure out, and I don't envy the EMs in this.

I think Galen's message got a little lost in the translation...

Event items are not bad when they are distributed in an equitable way. Whether that be by random mob loot drop (as they most commonly are), or on rare occasions, by vending machine a la Atlantic's Blarney Stone.

However, what is bad is when the players are selfish and greedy and DEMAND items from the EMs. This turns the events into little more than a drama fest as the EM or their RPC try to talk over the whiners in an attempt to continue on with the event. The problem here is not the items, but the player(s).

Many UO players have an exaggerated sense of entitlement, i.e. the 'gimme, gimme, gimme!' mentality. These would be the type to hog spawn during the ToT event, and grief others who _dared_ to enter their screen. They spam the EMs that they want an item and pancake and moan and whine endlessly that’s its not 'fair' or that the EMs don't care. (Newsflash: If the EMs didn't care, they wouldn't be there...)

The current drama about the tunics for the rares fest staff on Pacific completely shatters the 'no handing out items' policy, and weakens the EM's position on not being little more than rares vending machines.

Lets answer your questions one by one:

And so EM participation in that entitlement is bad?

Entitlement is bad regardless of who 'participates'. Entitlement = greed & childishness.


Handing thing out to crybabies is bad?

Duh.


Giving special tunics to event runners is bad?

Unless this becomes policy that *everyone* can participate in, hell yes - otherwise its favoritism.


Trying to draw players to events by handing out things as rewards is bad?

Typically, yes. This doesn't bring in people who care about the event, or potentially even the(ir) community. A random loot drop, or keepsake for all who attended now and then aren't bad things... But luring people in _just_ for an item, yes that’s a bad thing.

 

[Ahuaeyjnkxs]

Way to insult my way of thinking...

If a player has been paying for 10 years and he's only been doing his own thing, never helped build community, he should not receive anything.

But another who's been building a rune library, that is widely used by everyone, known, honored, and the player even makes an effort to participate in the story and encourage others to have fun with it.

Favoritism yes... you might even fall under that umbrella.

let the EM put effin flowers in front of his porsh, let the freak have a purple horse if thats what seems appropriate.

Nothing to alter gameplay significantly, but REWARD those players for they kept this game alive while people like me were too angry to even think about playing again.

This standardisation policy is the poison... not the handout of a tunic debated by some childish minds...

When the EMs arrived on atl, they handed us sashes, when they told us they were going to leave, without giving us a reason other than "sorry we can't give enough time you guys deserve better" and we had INVESTED time and money into making this RP story viable.

Felt ****d... sold the sash, and some weirdo gold and rare seller who makes only this for a living was willing to pay 5 million for the sashes. Oh and let it be known that the sash that was handed to me had a special RP embroidery which said "sweetie" on it, by none other than Kanmare herself, the best EM Atlantic ever had.

That tells you how deep the rabithole goes, you'll eventually find out why you're right and terribly wrong at the same time.

 

[Martyna Zmuir]

Way to insult my way of thinking...

If a player has been paying for 10 years and he's only been doing his own thing, never helped build community, he should not receive anything.

Try again. This person could get items at actual events, but get items for being a lump? No.

But another who's been building a rune library, that is widely used by everyone, known, honored, and the player even makes an effort to participate in the story and encourage others to have fun with it.

Favoritism yes... you might even fall under that umbrella.

Your missing the point. EM items should be handed out fairly. Random loot drops or vending machine style for all available. But handed out to specific people that the EM likes, without a damned good reason, no. Thats the epitomy of favortism. (This is what ruined the last EM program, and saw many of the original Seers fired.)

let the EM put effin flowers in front of his porsh, let the freak have a purple horse if thats what seems appropriate.

Nothing to alter gameplay significantly, but REWARD those players for they kept this game alive while people like me were too angry to even think about playing again.

Rewards like that should be earned somehow, not simply handed out. If your too angry to play, you probably shouldn't. If you aren't playing... why post?

This standardisation policy is the poison...

Uhm, no. Thats a load of crap. Without a policy about event staff recieving special items from Mesanna there will be chaos. "Why did XYG group get named hats while we didn't!?" Fortunately Mesanna has taken Galen's timer suggestion to heart and that will resolve many things.

But still, having set policies about how to get things (like the banners) levels the playing field so to speak.

not the handout of a tunic debated by some childish minds...

Are you the pot, or the kettle today?

When the EMs arrived on atl, they handed us sashes, when they told us they were going to leave, without giving us a reason other than "sorry we can't give enough time you guys deserve better" and we had INVESTED time and money into making this RP story viable.

Just to paraphrase to make sure I understood... Your EMs quit after giving you sashes and starting a plotline? Thats unfortunate, I'm sorry. GL lost one EM and gained another.. But don't dog the whole program because life happened. The programs isn't perfect, nor can it be - the EMs are only human after all.

 

[Tina Small]

Way to insult my way of thinking...

If a player has been paying for 10 years and he's only been doing his own thing, never helped build community, he should not receive anything.

But another who's been building a rune library, that is widely used by everyone, known, honored, and the player even makes an effort to participate in the story and encourage others to have fun with it.

Favoritism yes... you might even fall under that umbrella.

let the EM put effin flowers in front of his porsh, let the freak have a purple horse if thats what seems appropriate.

Nothing to alter gameplay significantly, but REWARD those players for they kept this game alive while people like me were too angry to even think about playing again.

This standardisation policy is the poison... not the handout of a tunic debated by some childish minds...

When the EMs arrived on atl, they handed us sashes, when they told us they were going to leave, without giving us a reason other than "sorry we can't give enough time you guys deserve better" and we had INVESTED time and money into making this RP story viable.

Felt ****d... sold the sash, and some weirdo gold and rare seller who makes only this for a living was willing to pay 5 million for the sashes. Oh and let it be known that the sash that was handed to me had a special RP embroidery which said "sweetie" on it, by none other than Kanmare herself, the best EM Atlantic ever had.

That tells you how deep the rabithole goes, you'll eventually find out why you're right and terribly wrong at the same time.

It's just a game, Ahuaeyjnkxs, and we ALL pay to play this game in the manner we choose. There should be no room or allowance for EA employees to pick and choose which of their customers get "special treatment" or recognition based solely on someone's subjective criteria of who is supposedly helping the community, being a mega-kiss-up to the EMs, or some other standard. Doing so may in the short-term keep a few more people playing, but it is truly a recipe for disaster and eventually will lead to more cancelled subscriptions.

The game already has a perfectly fine system in place to reward long-time subscribers. It's called the vet reward program. It's EA's way of recognizing what's important to them, i.e., paying your subscription fees month after month, year after year, regardless of how much time you actually spend logged in.

If players want to recognize other players for doing something they think is wonderful, then the players, not EA, should come up with the reward. EA really should stay out of the process.